Hi Liz Just to conclude what happened on the 1651 marriage mentioned in my note of 11 January. Thank you for the reference to the GAA online listings of which I was not previously aware so I checked the 1651 marriage as well as some other records I already have directly from the archives. My reading of the marriage as 11th October was wrong and not ' De xi ' but from their correct reading is in fact ' Xxi ' i.e. 21st Oct, a Saturday I believe. This now makes sense with the way we understand it ought to have worked : Ondertrouw Sat 21 Oct, [ assumed ] 1st banns 22, 2nd 29, 3rd 5 Nov : they married 12 Nov [ not 11th as I mis typed in last mail ] . I did see another marriage where the ondertrouw was followed by marriage actually on the 3rd Sunday thereafter. This gives an actual case example from Holland but I think the original premise may have been in relation to NN, as one might expect. I have the records to be able to check those mentioned but do not have records to be able to check NN. I will see if I can find anything. Does anyone have corresponding information for a NN case? This did not take too long to accomplish and was quite interesting but I do not think has increased my knowledge materially. Laurence -----Original Message----- From: E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> To: dutch-colonies <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:02 Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Marriage "registration" vs. "banns" (vs. marriage) I have about a thousand marriage records from Amsterdam, mostly for the eriod between 1574 and 1660. These are records of ondertrouw -- marriage ntentions. Most are not annotated in the margin. iz J On 11 January 2013 09:48, <llvk2@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Liz Just checked the other ' marriage ' records I have and virtually all entries have margin notes so perhaps you have been very unlucky? I have from Haarlem : 1614; 1625; 1631; 1636 and 1645 nearly all events being margin noted and I think mostly all getroud and Ouderkerk / Amsterdam 1647 where 1 of 2 on the page has a note [ my one! :-) ] . Laurence ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message