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    1. Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] [NEW-NETHERLAND] Hendrick Hendricksz Kip
    2. Howard Swain
    3. Hi Richard, Yes, all the chidren whose baptisms were found came to New Netherland, except Abraham. I don’t think an exact date is known for their move to the new world. The last date they’ve been found in New Amsterdam so far is the baptism of daughter Tryntje on 8 June 1636. The first date they were definitely in New Netherland is 16 April 1643 when “Hendrick Hendricksen Kyp” witnessed a settlement by Gertruyt Jacobs on her children – New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch; Vol. II, Register of the Provincial Secretary 1642 – 1647; Translated by Arnold J. F. van Laer (1974), pp. 115 – 116 [original document # 51c]. Then on 19 April 1643 “Mr. Hendrick Hendricksz.” bp. daughter Femmetje at the NA RDC. The lone witness was Jsac Hendrickszen – possibly his son, who would have been 16. On 28 April 1643, “Hendrick Hendricksz Kip” was granted a lot in New Amsterdam located east of the fort -- New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch; Volumes GG, HH, & II, Land Papers, Translated and Edited by Charles Gehring (1980); p. 17 [original document #GG 57]. On 24 Oct 1643, he signed (as Hendrick Hendricksen Kyp) a resolution adopted by the commonality of the Manhattans – Documents Relative to the Colonial History of the State of New-York ... ed. by E. B. O’Callaghan, vol 1, pp. 191-192. On the Manatus map of 1639 there are two plantations shown as belonging to a tailor (snyder). One is #25 shown belonging to Hendric de Snyder and the other is #45 shown simply as Plan. van snyder. #25 is at the southern end in or near New Amsterdam; #45 is way up north in what became Harlem. I. N. Phelps Stokes in his Iconography of Manhattan Island ... vol 2, pp. 197-198 traces land records that appear to show that #25 belonged to Hendrick Janszen, a tailor who was known to be in New Amsterdam as early as 1638. As to #45, Stokes was not able to tell to whom it belonged (vol. 2, p. 205). Frederic E. Kip in his History of the Kip Family in America (1928) says that the “van Snyder” of #45 “undoubtedly refers to Hendrick Kip” (p. 23). However, later on that same page he says “Possibly Hendrick Kip’s earliest residence in Manhattan was on this plantation in New Harlem.” However, I am skeptical because that would mean he was in New Netherland for four years without leaving any records – especially since he seems to have been a man of substance: He was a Great Burgher and was chosen to be one of the Nine Men, for example. After 1643 there are many records left by him. So, it seems to me the best we can say is that the family arrived some time between 1636 and 1643. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com From: RichardAHayes@bex.net Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:04 AM To: new-netherland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NEW-NETHERLAND] Hendrick Hendricksz Kip Hi Cor, The information about Hendrick Hendricksz Kip and his family was interesting because he and his wife are my 9th great grandparents. My line goes thru their son Jacob. Did all of the children except Abraham come to America? Do you know when? Richard

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