Sorry, I scrolled too far. I meant to thank Nancy T for the compliment. Honor >>> Honor Conklin 1/9/2013 9:55 AM >>> Thank you Julia. Deliverance and Engeltje Boeckhout were the parents of Mattys Kancklely who married Feytie (Sophia) Mabie (Meeby) 27 Sep 1719 Hackensack DRC. The location of his birth and bp. is unknown. Joseph and Rebecca (Hyatt, Heyart) Conklin were the parents of Isaac, bp 24 March 1713, #257, Sleepy Hollow (Tarrytown) DRC who m 2) Lena Van Zyel, 6 August 1739 Hackensack DRC. You may see some references to her as Van Zyen. I don't recall ever coming across a Cosantie Concklin, nor anyone by that given name. There were Irish who came to America later who changed their name from Coughlin to Conklin. Any Conklin who is told they are of Irish descent should have their Y-DNA tested. There is a possiblity that some of the small extended family of Conklin glassmakers in England went with some of the Lorrainer glassmakers in England, to Ireland. Some were supposed to have gone later to Scotland after the fuel was changed from wood to coal. Honor >>> <nancyterhune@optonline.net> 1/7/2013 9:54 PM >>> Honor, You no doubt know, but others may not, that early members of the "pre-1700 Westchester Conklins" relocated to Bergen County, NJ - an area of my interest and of others on the list. I have information, and questions, and a bit of sheer outrageousness for all interested in the greater family (tune in, all, and read down-down-down). First: Your paper "Two Colonial Conklin Families in America: Y-DNA Analysis of the 'Long Island Conklins' and the 'Pre-1700 Westchester Conklins'"* I consider a paragon on every imaginable level and a gold-standard model for genealogists. * http://longislandgenealogy.com/Two%20Colonial%20Conklin%20Families.pdf Thank you for your surpassing excellent work. I. The earliest Conklins in Bergen County who I know originated in Westchester are found in the records of the Hackensack Dutch Reformed Church:** 27 Sept 1719 - registered the marriage intent of "Mattys Kanckely, y.m." born and living "manor of Flipsburg" (Philipsburg) and "Feytie Meeby, y.d." 5 July 1740 - registered the marriage intent of "Isaek Canklyn, w." (widower) born Westchester county, living Paramus, and Lena Van Zeyl, y.d." - married Aug 6. ** The Holland Society, Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, New Jersey, Part I, c. 1891 THC of NY; reprint Bergen Historic Books 1998, pages 41 and 58. Who were their parents/ancestors? Mattys/Matthias: I have found several un-credible sources (Ancestry.com databases, IGBI, more) giving his father as Deliverance; Matthias b. 1698 or ca. 1698 Rye, Westchester. Do you have the correct information? Isaek/Isaac: Is he the Isaac baptized 24 Mar 1713, son of "Joseph Cankly" and "Rebecca his wife" at Sleepy Hollow? ("First Record Book of the 'Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow,' Organized in 1697 and Now the First Reformed Church of Tarrytown, N.Y." Online reproduction at google.com/books). Your paper page 33 points out the occurrence of the names Matthias and Isaac among the grandchildren of Deliverance. That is promising in my book. II. Do you have in your records a Cosantie Concklin, who may have married but probably did not marry Joost Zabriskie, son of the immigrant Albrecht (Albert), by 1725? I find her in only one place and doubt she existed. I am trying to rule her out. I have transcriptions of a family Bible record that give Cosantie Concklin as the mother of Joost's daughter, his last child Rachel b. 19 Mar 1725. This seems to contradict George Olin Zabriskie's genealogy of the Zabriskie family*** in which he cites a DAR transcription of the record giving Rachel's mother as Christina Mabie (Meby/Meeby) and does not include Cosantie anywhere. The transcriptions I have of the Bible record of Joost's daughter Rachel and her husband Johannes Demarest exist as a typescript as well as a handwritten "original" in the collection of the Bergen County Historical Society. I could possibly discredit them by observing that the handwritten original looks to be a copy made by the same person at the same time at a later date (ink, weight, style) and he/she entered Rachel's (and Johannes's) parents irregularly - written stacked and bracketed as if an insertion. Perhaps a "recollection" of the transcriber (we should all be spared). The quick way to eliminate Cosantie would be to confirm the death of Joost's wife Christina Mabie as later than Rachel's birth. Can anyone help with this? Among the children of Rachel Zabriskie and Johannes Demarest**** are two Christinas, no Cosanties. I don't have an English equivalent to Costantie; however her name might have been a variation of Carstyntje which I believe equates to Christina. *** Zabriskie, George Olin, The Zabriskie Family: A Three Hundred and one Year History of the descendants of Albrecht Zaborowskij (Ca 1638-1711) of Bergen County, New Jersey, c. 1963, Volume 1, p. 22. **** Ibid. and Demarest, Voorhis D. (ed./compiler), The Demarest Family, 1964; reprint 1992 Westview Press, p. IV-8. Note that this genealogy gives Rachel's parents as Jacob A. Zabriskie and Antje Terhune -- incorrect. III. Your paper p. 42 cites an "unidentified" source [which you clearly intend to mean weak] for a Dutch Conklin ancestry. My two cents is that identification of the surname with the Dutch is inevitable given the fact that the Conklins of Westchester married early and often into Netherlands-emigrant families. But here is the information from Ancestry.com on the origin of the Conklins in the US (brace yourself): "Origin unidentified. Most likely of Dutch origin (the name is found in the 18th century in the Hudson Valley), or possibly a variant of Irish Coughlin." http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=conklin And there is our foremost online authority dispensing garbage to millions. Any knowledge of Cosantie Concklin, as above, or of the DOD of Christina Mabie Zabriskie, would be very appreciated. Best, Nancy T ----- Original Message ----- From: Honor Conklin Date: Monday, January 7, 2013 8:05 am Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Greetings from a neophyte To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > There are two colonial Conklin families with different Y-DNA. > See my paper, "Two Colonial Conklin Families in American," at > longislandgenealogy.com. The "Long Island Conklins" are > descended from John and Ananias Conklin, brothers or cousins, > who at the request of John Winthrop Jr., set up the glasshouse > in Salem, Mass. They, and a handful of their small extended > family, were in Staffordshire and other glassmaking counties in > England from the late 1500s on. The family descends from Kunkel > glassmakers first documented in the 14th century in and around > Spessart, Hesse, Germany. I believe they migrated to Lorraine, > France prior to the move to England when Jean Carre was charged > to bring French glassmakers to England. > The "Pre-1700 Westchester Conklins," a group of eight > siblings (although possibly cousins), first appear when Nicholas > Conklin witnesses a document in Westchester County, New York in > 1682. These are the "Hudson Valley Conklins." Their origins > are unknown but because some married into New Netherland > families, they are referred to by some as "Dutch". > > Honor Conklin > > >>> "Peter " 1/6/2013 10:50 AM >>> > I went to Google and typed in "Conkling family." There were a > number of > hits. The first one I tried -- longislandgenealogy.com -- says > the family > came from Staffordshire in England and originally settled in Salem, > Massachusetts. That seems to me a more reliable source than some > of the > others such as the one that is in the business of selling > "crests". > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of juliasgenes > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 2:38 AM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Greetings from a neophyte > > Happy New Year to all! > > I have recently found out the name of a direct ancestor: Julia > VANDERVOORT.She married Henry SCOFIELD on 13 Dec 1817 at the > Reformed Dutch Church, > Warwick, Orange, NY per FamilySearch transcription of the > Church's records. > They spent their married life in the Town of Goshen, Orange, NY. > > There's a possibility that another direct ancestor may turn out > to be: > Keturah CONKLING (previously married to Jacob DUNNING). She > married Jonathan > Bayley/ Bailey on 11 sep 1783 per online transcribed records of > the First > Presbyterian Church, Goshen, Orange, NY. The couple appears to > have spent > their married life in the area of the Hamlets of Ridgebury/ > Slate Hill, Town > of Wawayanda, Orange, NY. > > I'm confident that "Vandervoort" and "Conkling" are Dutch names, > but I don't > know if these women descend from people of the colonial era or > of more > recent arrivals as I haven't done anything with them as yet. Do > you work > with non-colonial Hudson Valley Dutch families, too? Do members > of this list > have suggestions on ways to trace them backwards with confidence? > > Thank you, Julia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >