I'm going in circles with my early du Trieux [Truax] part of my lines. It seems clear that my maternal line goes back to Phillippe Sr through three of his children. Two of these are Maria, daughter by his first wife Jacqueline Noiret, and Rebecca, daughter by his second wife, Susanna du Chesne. The third line is my problem. Some researchers say Isaac who married Maria Williamse Brouwer is the son of Phillippe Sr by his second wife Susanna. Others say Isaac is the son of Phillippe Jr by an unknown wife. The only documentation I have seen cited at all is Dorothy Koenig's post to Truax-L 8 Sep 1998 that states: "Lisa, Here is the footnote on page 25 of volume 1, number 1, of my "New Netherland Connections". The original sentence is "[Philippe's] second son [Philippe] produced two sons. Then the footnote: Subsequent research has indicated that Isaac and Jacob were sons of Philippe, Sr., rather than Philippe, Jr. At the time of the deaths of both Philippes [killed by Indians in 1652], Susanna Du Trieux [Philippe, Sr.'s second wife -- Susanna Du Chesne] claimed wages due to her son, Phillipe, Jr. There is no record of a widow's claim for him of any kind. Philippe, Sr. would have been in his middle to late 50s and Susanna in her early to middle 40s at the time of Isaac and Jacob's births. There is no record for a marriage of Philippe, Jr. although mariages for all the other children are well documented, with the exception of Abraham." http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/truax/1998-09/0905293408 I understand the reasoning here but it seem to me that the simple lack of a widow's claim for Phillippe Jr could be explained by his wife having died prior to his death possibly even leaving the two sons, Isaac and Jacob in the hands of their grandparents, Phillippe Sr and Susanna. Susanna's age weighs against being the mother of Isaac b ca 1642 and Jacob b ca 1645 although certainly not impossible as well as a significant gap between Susanna's other children and the two boys. Certainly both these boys are of an approximate age to be considered as sons of Phillippe Jr. Thus, is the following scenario impossible? Phillippe Jr born 1619 in his early 20's marries say in 1641 and has Isaac 1642 and Jacob 1645. His wife dies sometime between Jacob's birth and the 1652 killing of both Phillippe's. I would appreciate any comments or additional documentation on this situation. Although it is clear that my mother goes back to Phillippe Sr, it would be nice to know whether it is through Isaac as son of Susanna or Isaac as grandson of Jacqueline. Holly Timm sent both to Dutch-Colonies and Truax mail lists