Holly, YOu and I have the same exact Truax line.. Two from Maria, one fromRebecca and one from some sort of Phillip.. Who knows father and son. I felt like you that the ages for the senior was wrong. No proof that I can see in either directions. Steph ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm <htimm@comcast.net> Date: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:39 pm Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Isaac du Trieux, son of Phillippe Jr or Phillippe Sr? To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > > > I'm going in circles with my early du Trieux [Truax] part of my > lines. It > seems clear that my maternal line goes back to Phillippe Sr > through three of > his children. Two of these are Maria, daughter by his first wife > JacquelineNoiret, and Rebecca, daughter by his second wife, > Susanna du Chesne. The > third line is my problem. Some researchers say Isaac who married Maria > Williamse Brouwer is the son of Phillippe Sr by his second wife > Susanna.Others say Isaac is the son of Phillippe Jr by an unknown > wife. > > > > The only documentation I have seen cited at all is Dorothy > Koenig's post to > Truax-L 8 Sep 1998 that states: > > > > "Lisa, Here is the footnote on page 25 of volume 1, number 1, of > my "New > Netherland Connections". The original sentence is "[Philippe's] > second son > [Philippe] produced two sons. Then the footnote: > > Subsequent research has indicated that Isaac and Jacob were sons of > Philippe, Sr., rather than Philippe, Jr. At the time of the deaths > of both > Philippes [killed by Indians in 1652], Susanna Du Trieux > [Philippe, Sr.'s > second wife -- Susanna Du Chesne] claimed wages due to her son, > Phillipe,Jr. There is no record of a widow's claim for him of any > kind. Philippe, Sr. > would have been in his middle to late 50s and Susanna in her early > to middle > 40s at the time of Isaac and Jacob's births. There is no record > for a > marriage of Philippe, Jr. although mariages for all the other > children are > well documented, with the exception of Abraham." > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/truax/1998-09/0905293408 > > > > I understand the reasoning here but it seem to me that the simple > lack of a > widow's claim for Phillippe Jr could be explained by his wife > having died > prior to his death possibly even leaving the two sons, Isaac and > Jacob in > the hands of their grandparents, Phillippe Sr and Susanna. > Susanna's age > weighs against being the mother of Isaac b ca 1642 and Jacob b ca 1645 > although certainly not impossible as well as a significant gap between > Susanna's other children and the two boys. Certainly both these > boys are of > an approximate age to be considered as sons of Phillippe Jr. Thus, > is the > following scenario impossible? Phillippe Jr born 1619 in his early > 20'smarries say in 1641 and has Isaac 1642 and Jacob 1645. His > wife dies > sometime between Jacob's birth and the 1652 killing of both > Phillippe's. > > > > I would appreciate any comments or additional documentation on this > situation. Although it is clear that my mother goes back to > Phillippe Sr, it > would be nice to know whether it is through Isaac as son of > Susanna or Isaac > as grandson of Jacqueline. > > > > Holly Timm > > sent both to Dutch-Colonies and Truax mail lists > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >