Hi Liz, From: "E Johnson" <iris.gates@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] 1679 Record of Burials in the Dutch Church,New York? > Arnoldus de la Grange and wife Cornelia Fontaine baptized their son > Arnoldus (jr) in NY DRC on 22 January 1679. > > I have seen several claims without documentation, stating that young > Arnoldus died of smallpox before 28 September 1679. > > How is it known when and of what young Arnoldus de la Grange died? Is > this detail found in Record of Burials in the Dutch Church, New York. > Holland Soc. Year Book, 1899 [DDC]? Or if not here, where? I don't think the burials recorded in the 1899 HSYB start that early. The oldest one I see on a few pages I have is 1729. The above death information comes from the Journal of Jasper Danckaerts entry for 28 Sept. 1679 recounting a visit to the house of Monsr. de La Grange: "They had lost a child by the small pox..." See "Catalina Trico from Namur (1605-1699) and Her Nephew, Arnoldus de la Grange", NNC vol 1, no. 3, pp. 55-63, at p. 62. If you are interested in this family, you should also read "A Note on Arnoldus de La Grange" by John Blythe Dobson in NNC 7:3:63-70. As Mr. Dobson notes, Danckaerts' Journal does not name the child that died. And assigning this death date to the child bp. earlier that year assumes there was not an earlier child born in Europe. [Note Arnoldus and Cornelia filed marriage intention in 4 Oct 1675 -- see NNC 1:3:61] Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Aha! Thank you Howard! > If you are interested in this family, you should also read "A Note on Arnoldus > de La Grange" by John Blythe Dobson in NNC 7:3:63-70. As Mr. Dobson > notes, Danckaerts' Journal does not name the child that died. And assigning > this death date to the child bp. earlier that year assumes there was not an > earlier child born in Europe. [Note Arnoldus and Cornelia filed marriage > intention in 4 Oct 1675 -- see NNC 1:3:61] Yes, it seems there was an earlier child born in Europe. On 20 September 1676, Arnoldus, son of Arnoldus de la Grangen and Corneila de Lafonteijnin [de la Fontaine] was baptized in the Amstel kerk of Amsterdam. So since the child baptized in New Amsterdam in 1679 was also called Arnoldus, the one bapt in Amsterdam most likely had died died before the baptism of the second one in January 1679. But if Dankaerts did not write "They had lost a child by the small pox..." until Sept 1679, this presents a problem. I'll have to check out these articles. It would be useful to know if parents Arnoldus and Cornelia had arrived in the colonies with or without a child. Interestingly (to me), in July 1683 at Chester/Upland PA court, Nicholas More testified that Otto Ernest Cock had asked him (More) the previous May to back out of a sale of Tinicum Island because Cock felt that he was depriving the de la Grange childREN of their rights to that long-disputed property, and wanted to return it to de la Grange. So More's testimony makes it seem that as of May 1683, Otto Ernest Cock was aware that Arnoldus de la Grange had more than one child living at that time. Thanks for the additional refs; I've been collecting whatever I can find on this family, and had not been aware of the Dobson article. Liz J