I also have Du Trieux in my indirect line and have these two children of Philipe Sr. & Jacqueline. Does anyone know if this child named Madeleine is "Maria/Marie" or another daughter? Source: _http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek_ (http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek) Kind: Madeleine vader Philippe du Trieux doop 9 februari 1620 religie Waals-Hervormd, Oude Waalse kerk bron 130 p.98 Kind: Phlipe vader Philippe du Trieux doop 10 februari 1619 religie Waals-Hervormd, Oude Waalse kerk bron 130 p.81 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

There was also another Philipe, b 3 Jan 1616, who evidently died young. Marie was baptized as "Marije" on 5 April 1617, but the father's name is spelled "du Trier". If this was properly transcribed, I wonder if indicates that the family had emigrated from Trieste. To add to Howard's point about the 1642 baptisms not differentiating between Jr and Sr, even if the father were Phillipe Jr, Phillippe Sr. is conspicuously absent as a sponsor--Isaac would have been his first Trieux-named grandson. And it seems odd that Phillipe Jr. wouldn't have baptized one of his first two sons as Phillipe, although it's of course plausible that there had been one earlier. Does anyone know if there were "Juniors" (sons by the same given name of men with surnames) about the 1640s who baptized children, and if so, whether and how the NA church distinguished them from their fathers? I looked quickly at Guillaume Vigne, Joris Rapalje, Hendrick Spier, and Jesse de Foreest, but surprisingly didn't see a single "Jr." among them. Was the 1652 Indian incident documented well enough to indicate whether Phillippe Jr. had a wife who was killed at the same time, or is the only evidence that Phillipe Jr. was married the circumstance of the two births in the 1640s? Finally, is Jacomyntje the feminine form of Jacob? I'm wondering if Jacob b 1645 was named for Jacomyntje/Jacquemyntje. If Jacob was in fact Phillipe Jr.'s son, such a given name might make sense as a way to honor Jacomyntje Noiret without interfering with the tradition of naming daughters after the female ancestors of Phillippe Jr's wife. Chris On 4/29/07, EShampang@aol.com <EShampang@aol.com> wrote: > > I also have Du Trieux in my indirect line and have these two children of > Philipe Sr. & Jacqueline. Does anyone know if this child named Madeleine > is > "Maria/Marie" or another daughter? > Source: > > _http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek_ > (http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek > ) > > > Kind: > Madeleine > vader > Philippe du Trieux > doop > 9 februari 1620 > religie > Waals-Hervormd, Oude Waalse kerk > bron 130 p.98 > > > Kind: > Phlipe > vader > Philippe du Trieux > doop > 10 februari 1619 > religie > Waals-Hervormd, Oude Waalse kerk > bron 130 p.81 > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >