What is already known..... 1. Maria abt 1608, St. Waast-la-Haut, France 2. Christine 1610, St. Waast-la-Haut, France 3. Abraham christened 26 Dec 1621, Leiden, Nederlands 4. Rachel 16 Mar 1622/3, Leiden, Nederlands 5. Jan 1624, Nieuw Amsterdam, Nieuw Nederlands You can see there is a sizable gap between #2 and #3 I found some more Rachel christened 2 Sep 1618, Leiden, Nederlands Abraham VINOIS christened 22 Sep 1619, Leiden, Nederlands Sara VINOIS christened 22 Sep 1619, Leiden, Nederlands bring to a total of 8 children and I am puzzled about this 9th child Guleyn born 1625, Nieuw Amsterdam, Nieuw Nederlands Can anyone confirm this 9th child? Back to the Vinois - I found them by accident listed under this name and did some checking on the surname Vinois - they are more plentiful in Nord-Pas-de-Calais and Meuse regions - they're next door to each other and just south of what is now Belgium's Walloon Region. This opened another avenue to check out the records in the area, instead of being limited to Valenciennes. W. David Samuelsen

I researched and found some information - Walloons Kerk records of Leiden and also St. Waast and Valenciennes W. David Samuelsen wrote: > What is already known..... > > 1. Maria > abt 1608, St. Waast-la-Haut, France no proof she was born there. No Vigne or any variant to that time period. > 2. Christine > 1610, St. Waast-la-Haut, France no proof, same as #1 above > 3. Abraham > christened 26 Dec 1621, Leiden, Nederlands confirmed > 4. Rachel > 16 Mar 1622/3, Leiden, Nederlands witnesses - Henri Lambert and Pierre de Fache and wife Marguerite Vigne confirmed > 5. Jan > 1624, Nieuw Amsterdam, Nieuw Nederlands > > You can see there is a sizable gap between #2 and #3 > I found some more > Rachel > christened 2 Sep 1618, Leiden, Nederlands died Oct 1618, Leiden confirmed > Abraham VINOIS > christened 22 Sep 1619, Leiden, Nederlands > Sara VINOIS > christened 22 Sep 1619, Leiden, Nederlands confirmed - twins died Paques 1622 > bring to a total of 8 children > > and I am puzzled about this 9th child > Guleyn > born 1625, Nieuw Amsterdam, Nieuw Nederlands > > Can anyone confirm this 9th child? > > Back to the Vinois - I found them by accident listed under this name and > did some checking on the surname Vinois - they are more plentiful in > Nord-Pas-de-Calais and Meuse regions - they're next door to each other > and just south of what is now Belgium's Walloon Region. > > This opened another avenue to check out the records in the area, instead > of being limited to Valenciennes. Leiden records mentioned lots of Cuveliers, not Vigne (no de la Vigne as claimed). This has me wondering if Adrienne met Guillaume Vigne elsewhere and had two children before moving to Leiden? I already searched the Walloon/Huguenot master card index which covered several churches throughout Germany, Belgium, France and Nederlands as well as Switzerland and England. Could the couple have married in Roman Catholic church somewhere between Valenciennes and Leiden and converted to French Reformed (Walloon/Huguenot)? There are plenty of Vignier, Vigne, Vinois in the area between Belgium and Valenciennes (Meuse region and Nord-Pas-de-Calais). I did find two interesting items, one already mentioned above - Marguerite Vigne, probably sister of Guillaume. Is Isaac younger brother? Isaac and Jeanne Perponcher married 17 Jun 1629 at Flessingue (aka Vlissingen in Dutch, or Flushing in English, hence the city named Flushing in Queens co., New York), not far from Middleburg, also known place of the Vigne's. W. David Samuelsen