Thank you Pam, This is certainly puzzling. One would certainly think that Theodore M. BANTA would list his step-mother (Mary Ann) in his SAYRE Genealogy. Could George Olin Zabriskie have gotten it wrong? It is certainly true that Mary Ann (Price) (Hoppe?) married a BANTA. Was it Theodore's father, Albert Z. BANTA? Or perhaps another BANTA? The 1850 census from NYC shows: 1850 – New York, NY – 9-WD, ED-1 – 424 – 840 – pg. Line 18 – 2 family house - Albert C. [sic] Banta, head, age 52, M, Feed Store, b. NJ; Mary Ann Banta, [m. 1842], age 49, F, b. NY; Emily M. Banta, age 30, F, b. NY; Sarah Banta, age 26, F, b. NY; William Banta, age 21, M, Clerk, b. NY; Pucah [=Jacob] Banta, age 19, M, Clerk, b. NY; Lavina Banta, age 25, F, b. NY; Theodore Banta, age 16, b. NY; Mary Banta, age 14, b. NY; Thomas C. Banta, age 25, M, Clerk, b. NY, Aug 6, 1850. These are the children listed for Albert Z. BANTA (from his first wife, Sarah Ann Sayre), by Zabriskie. I assume that the middle initial "C." was a mis-hearing for "Z.", by the Census taker, as the children fit those given by Zabriskie. And here is his (second) wife, Mary Ann. Albert died 4 years later: Obit - NYTimes - Sep 1, 1854 - “In this city, on Thursday morning, Aug 31, of consumption, Albert Z. BANTA, in the 56th year of his age. His friends, and those of his family, are respectfully invited to attend his funeral, from his late residence, No. 34 Troy st., on Saturday morning Sept. 2, at 8 o’clock. His remains will be taken to Hackensack, N. J. for interment.” The widow BANTA shows up in the 1860 census, living in the same house as her daughter (Deborah (Rivers Skaats GESLAIN) and son-in-law (Charles T. GESLAIN)'s family; with Sarah Gilbert who was her widowed dau from her earlier marriage: 1860 – 1st Div, WD-7, Brooklyn, NY, ED-1 -2 – 3 – 2 family house - Charles T. Geislin/Geeslin, age 39, M, Conductor, $500, b. NY; Deborah, age 33, F, b. NY; Victor, age 13, M, b. NY; Charles, age 9, M, b. NY, at school; Joseph, age 7, M, b. NY, at school; Margaret [Gilbert], age 5, F, b. NY; Adelaide, age 3, F, b. NY; Bartholmew, age 1, M, b. NY. [next family, (4) same house] Sarah S. Gilbert, age 34 [b. 1825-6], S, $100, b. NY; Mary Banta [mother of Sarah, by m1.], age 59, F, b. [1800-1] [She m. A. Z. Banta, 1842.], NY; Deborah, age 10, [b. 1849-50]. F, b. NY; Louise, age 5, b. NY. [Jun 7, 1860]. Her BANTA step-children, now aged 24-40 are not with her. She died after 1870 (found in 1870 census). Bob Protzmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela J. Sears" Date: Friday, June 1, 2007 10:31 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] * Mary Ann HOPPE(R) SKAATS BANTA - who was she? by protzy41 To: "Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com" > Hi Bob, > > You wrote (in part): > > > Does anyone have access to the SAYRE Genealogy, by Theodore M. > > BANTA? Is there any information on Albert Zabriskie BANTA and his > > wives in it? Theoodore M. BANTA, the genealogist, was the son of > > Albert Zabriskie BANTA and Sarah Ann SAYRE, and hence a step- > son of > > Mary Ann HOPPE(R) SKAATS BANTA. > > > I found the Sayre Genealogy by Theodore M. Banta on-line at > Heritage Quest. > > Banta, Theodore Melvin, Sayre family : lineage of Thomas Sayre, a > founder of Southampton; New York: (1901) > > On page 497, Mr. Banta said (believe it or not), ABSOLUTELY NOTHING > about a second marriage for his father. He mentioned the death > of his > mother, Sarah Ann Sayre on 5 Sep 1839 in Augusta, GA (and that > Albert > Zabriskie Banta returned to NYC in 1841 and died there 31 Aug > 1854), and > then proceeded to list the children (without missing a beat). > > Since Theodore M. Banta was born 23 Nov 1834, you would think he might > have been aware of a strange woman in the household . > > > Regards, > Pam Sears > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Check the Hoppe family as it is well researched.I still use their bore cleaner. ----- Original Message ----- From: <protzy41@optonline.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Cc: <pjsears@stratos.net> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] * Mary Ann HOPPE(R) SKAATS BANTA - who was she? by protzy41 Thank you Pam, This is certainly puzzling. One would certainly think that Theodore M. BANTA would list his step-mother (Mary Ann) in his SAYRE Genealogy. Could George Olin Zabriskie have gotten it wrong? It is certainly true that Mary Ann (Price) (Hoppe?) married a BANTA. Was it Theodore's father, Albert Z. BANTA? Or perhaps another BANTA? The 1850 census from NYC shows: 1850 – New York, NY – 9-WD, ED-1 – 424 – 840 – pg. Line 18 – 2 family house - Albert C. [sic] Banta, head, age 52, M, Feed Store, b. NJ; Mary Ann Banta, [m. 1842], age 49, F, b. NY; Emily M. Banta, age 30, F, b. NY; Sarah Banta, age 26, F, b. NY; William Banta, age 21, M, Clerk, b. NY; Pucah [=Jacob] Banta, age 19, M, Clerk, b. NY; Lavina Banta, age 25, F, b. NY; Theodore Banta, age 16, b. NY; Mary Banta, age 14, b. NY; Thomas C. Banta, age 25, M, Clerk, b. NY, Aug 6, 1850. These are the children listed for Albert Z. BANTA (from his first wife, Sarah Ann Sayre), by Zabriskie. I assume that the middle initial "C." was a mis-hearing for "Z.", by the Census taker, as the children fit those given by Zabriskie. And here is his (second) wife, Mary Ann. Albert died 4 years later: Obit - NYTimes - Sep 1, 1854 - “In this city, on Thursday morning, Aug 31, of consumption, Albert Z. BANTA, in the 56th year of his age. His friends, and those of his family, are respectfully invited to attend his funeral, from his late residence, No. 34 Troy st., on Saturday morning Sept. 2, at 8 o’clock. His remains will be taken to Hackensack, N. J. for interment.” The widow BANTA shows up in the 1860 census, living in the same house as her daughter (Deborah (Rivers Skaats GESLAIN) and son-in-law (Charles T. GESLAIN)'s family; with Sarah Gilbert who was her widowed dau from her earlier marriage: 1860 – 1st Div, WD-7, Brooklyn, NY, ED-1 -2 – 3 – 2 family house - Charles T. Geislin/Geeslin, age 39, M, Conductor, $500, b. NY; Deborah, age 33, F, b. NY; Victor, age 13, M, b. NY; Charles, age 9, M, b. NY, at school; Joseph, age 7, M, b. NY, at school; Margaret [Gilbert], age 5, F, b. NY; Adelaide, age 3, F, b. NY; Bartholmew, age 1, M, b. NY. [next family, (4) same house] Sarah S. Gilbert, age 34 [b. 1825-6], S, $100, b. NY; Mary Banta [mother of Sarah, by m1.], age 59, F, b. [1800-1] [She m. A. Z. Banta, 1842.], NY; Deborah, age 10, [b. 1849-50]. F, b. NY; Louise, age 5, b. NY. [Jun 7, 1860]. Her BANTA step-children, now aged 24-40 are not with her. She died after 1870 (found in 1870 census). Bob Protzmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela J. Sears" Date: Friday, June 1, 2007 10:31 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] * Mary Ann HOPPE(R) SKAATS BANTA - who was she? by protzy41 To: "Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com" > Hi Bob, > > You wrote (in part): > > > Does anyone have access to the SAYRE Genealogy, by Theodore M. > > BANTA? Is there any information on Albert Zabriskie BANTA and his > > wives in it? Theoodore M. BANTA, the genealogist, was the son of > > Albert Zabriskie BANTA and Sarah Ann SAYRE, and hence a step- > son of > > Mary Ann HOPPE(R) SKAATS BANTA. > > > I found the Sayre Genealogy by Theodore M. Banta on-line at > Heritage Quest. > > Banta, Theodore Melvin, Sayre family : lineage of Thomas Sayre, a > founder of Southampton; New York: (1901) > > On page 497, Mr. Banta said (believe it or not), ABSOLUTELY NOTHING > about a second marriage for his father. He mentioned the death > of his > mother, Sarah Ann Sayre on 5 Sep 1839 in Augusta, GA (and that > Albert > Zabriskie Banta returned to NYC in 1841 and died there 31 Aug > 1854), and > then proceeded to list the children (without missing a beat). > > Since Theodore M. Banta was born 23 Nov 1834, you would think he might > have been aware of a strange woman in the household . > > > Regards, > Pam Sears > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message