The Nieuwe Kerk is NOT Lutheran. It is Reformed. It is where Kiliaen van Rensselaer's funeral was conducted. At that time there were two Reformed sancuaries in Amsterdam, called by the practical Dutch the old church (Oude Kerk) and the new church (Niewe Kerk). I can't remember ever having seen the Lutheran church of that time called anything other than the Lutheran church (Luderse Kerk). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela J. Sears" <pjsears@stratos.net> To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Fredrick Lubbertszen's two wives > David, > > In reply to your previous: > >> Pamela J. Sears wrote: >>> Dear David, Dorothy and Cynthia, >>> >>> I'm puzzled by the fact that in some records Stijntje is recorded as >>> "Stijntje Jans" and in others, "Stijntje Hendricks." >>> >>> Rebecca Fredericks was baptized in Amsterdam on 15 Aug 1628 at the >>> Nieuwe kerk: >>> >>> Vader: Frerick Lubbertsz Moeder: Stijntje Jans Kind: Rebecka >>> Baptized 15 Aug 1628 in the Nieuwe kerk; DTB 40/465 >> >> Nieuwe Kerk is Evangelical Lutheran Church in Amsterdam. Obvious this >> family isn't Dutch or Walloon. > > > The Nieuwe kerk in Amsterdam is _NOT_ Evangelical Lutheran. > > Rather, it is indeed Reformed, and the religious affiliation [Hervormd] > is listed in the baptismal record above mentioned: > > Religie: Hervormd, Nieuwe kerk > > > This record can be found at the following URL: > > http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/index.nl.html > > Click on "Zoek" to access the database search engine. > > > Regards, > Pam Sears > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

sorry to pop that information balloon. Here is the description of the record Kerkelijke registers, 1590-1865 Authors Evangelisch Lutherse Kerk. Nieuwe Kerk (Amsterdam, Noord-Holland) (Main Author) Notes Microfilm genomen van de originele in het Gemeente Archief te Amsterdam.Parish registers of the Evangelical Lutheran Church, Nieuwe Kerk parish, of Amsterdam, North Holland, The Netherlands. Includes baptisms, marriages, burials, extracts of wills and transfer of graves. W. David Samuelsen Peter Christoph wrote: > The Nieuwe Kerk is NOT Lutheran. It is Reformed. It is where Kiliaen van > Rensselaer's funeral was conducted. At that time there were two Reformed > sancuaries in Amsterdam, called by the practical Dutch the old church (Oude > Kerk) and the new church (Niewe Kerk). I can't remember ever having seen the > Lutheran church of that time called anything other than the Lutheran church > (Luderse Kerk). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pamela J. Sears" <pjsears@stratos.net> > To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Fredrick Lubbertszen's two wives > > >> David, >> >> In reply to your previous: >> >>> Pamela J. Sears wrote: >>>> Dear David, Dorothy and Cynthia, >>>> >>>> I'm puzzled by the fact that in some records Stijntje is recorded as >>>> "Stijntje Jans" and in others, "Stijntje Hendricks." >>>> >>>> Rebecca Fredericks was baptized in Amsterdam on 15 Aug 1628 at the >>>> Nieuwe kerk: >>>> >>>> Vader: Frerick Lubbertsz Moeder: Stijntje Jans Kind: Rebecka >>>> Baptized 15 Aug 1628 in the Nieuwe kerk; DTB 40/465 >>> Nieuwe Kerk is Evangelical Lutheran Church in Amsterdam. Obvious this >>> family isn't Dutch or Walloon. >> >> The Nieuwe kerk in Amsterdam is _NOT_ Evangelical Lutheran. >> >> Rather, it is indeed Reformed, and the religious affiliation [Hervormd] >> is listed in the baptismal record above mentioned: >> >> Religie: Hervormd, Nieuwe kerk >> >> >> This record can be found at the following URL: >> >> http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/index.nl.html >> >> Click on "Zoek" to access the database search engine. >> >> >> Regards, >> Pam Sears >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David I don't mean to be argumentative, but something doesn't seem right here. May we have the film number and name of the repository where this film is held? The description in English, or the translation of the notes seems misleading. But this description is straightforward: > Here is the description of the record > Kerkelijke registers, 1590-1865 > Authors Evangelisch Lutherse Kerk. Nieuwe Kerk (Amsterdam, > Noord-Holland) (Main Author) It appears the Evangelical Lutheran Church is the "author" of the microfilm _copies_ of the Nieuwe Kerk parish records. From the description of this film, it sounds as if it must be a compilation of records from the Nieuwe Kerk (the main author from which the records were extracted) over a long period of time. With friendly regards, Liz J

microfilms of originals - the films are available like I said through Family History Library and its centers films #114983, 114695, 114987, 114990, 114991 When you go to the films, all descriptions are in Dutch Not extractions. W. David Samuelsen > David > > I don't mean to be argumentative, but something doesn't seem right here. > > May we have the film number and name of the repository where this film is > held? > > The description in English, or the translation of the notes seems > misleading. > > But this description is straightforward: > >> Here is the description of the record >> Kerkelijke registers, 1590-1865 >> Authors Evangelisch Lutherse Kerk. Nieuwe Kerk (Amsterdam, >> Noord-Holland) (Main Author) > > It appears the Evangelical Lutheran Church is the "author" of the > microfilm _copies_ of the Nieuwe Kerk parish records. From the > description of this film, it sounds as if it must be a compilation of > records from the Nieuwe Kerk (the main author from which the records > were extracted) over a long period of time. > > With friendly regards, > Liz J > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My apologies to David. I googled "Lutheran Church Amsterdam Holland" and found that there was indeed a new Lutheran Church erected in the 17th century, called of course "de Nieuwe Luterse Kerk." ----- Original Message ----- From: "E Johnson" <iris.gates@gmail.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Fredrick Lubbertszen's two wives > David > > I don't mean to be argumentative, but something doesn't seem right here. > > May we have the film number and name of the repository where this film is > held? > > The description in English, or the translation of the notes seems > misleading. > > But this description is straightforward: > >> Here is the description of the record >> Kerkelijke registers, 1590-1865 >> Authors Evangelisch Lutherse Kerk. Nieuwe Kerk (Amsterdam, >> Noord-Holland) (Main Author) > > It appears the Evangelical Lutheran Church is the "author" of the > microfilm _copies_ of the Nieuwe Kerk parish records. From the > description of this film, it sounds as if it must be a compilation of > records from the Nieuwe Kerk (the main author from which the records > were extracted) over a long period of time. > > With friendly regards, > Liz J > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >