Hi all, From: "Perry Streeter" <perry@streeter.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: re: Fredrick Lubbertszen's two wives + Claes Jansen de Ruyter of Naarden > Howard: > > I concur with your recent conclusion: > > "As to the two wives of Fredrick Lubbertszen -- My guess is that the first > was Styntie Jans and that the Styntie Hendricks ref. is a mistake: the clerk > had Hendricks on the brain after writing Tryntie Hendricks." > > And here is another record to support that conclusion: > > "On 13 Nov 1636 Frederick Lubbertsen, freeman in New Netherland, requests > [of the directors at Amsterdam] that his wife, Styntgen Jansen (Jan’s > daughter), may join him at the first opportunity, according to the > declaration of Wouter van Twiller, and as there is still due her husband by > the Company, from over three years ago, six months’ wages at 20 guilders per > month, which the Directors have always promised to give her when her husband > should return, and he now remains there [in New Netherland], therefore she > requests that she may receive the same. (S) > > S=Stokes; Isaac Newton Phelps, The Iconography of Manhattan Island, 6 vols." Thanks. Although I looked at Stokes, I didn't check all the items he has in the index for Frederick. The one above is in vol IV (the chronology) on p. 85. As Stokes mentions, this is from the "Records of the old West India Co." and is also printed in NYGBR vol 49 on p. 228. (The complete article spans pp. 217 - 228 and has other records from 1635-36. Although Stokes seem to have even more.) > Source = http://members.tripod.com/vandergrift/lubbertsdoc.htm > > This lengthy web page repeatedly states that Styntje was the sister of Claes > Jansen van Naerden, aka Claes Jansen de Ruyter, who came from Naarden. > However it is not obvious to me from the content provided how that > conclusion may be determined. Can anyone provide evidence to support or > refute this identification? I found nothing to support it either. > And here's where we (or at least I) left off the last time that the origins > of Frederick Lubbertszen were discussed on this list... > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-04/1051317777 Re: "vander Kreest" mentioned in the above message -- For the 1677 marriage record of daughter Elsjen Fredericks in the Brooklyn records translated by A.P.G. Jos van der Linde (p. 216) she is shown as "Elsjen Fredericks van der Kreeft, 'maiden from the Manatas' ". And daughter Aaltje is shown in Voorhees' Flatbush records for 1682 (p. 236) as: "Aaltje vander Kreest; J.D. van N. Yorke". Also on p. 385 at bap. of son Hans, Elsje is shown as Elsje frederiks vander Kreest. Recall that their much older half-sister had married in 1648 at New Amsterdam Jacob Van der Grist (or Grift -- I'm not sure which it "should" be). So, I wonder if somehow the Van der Grift name got attached to Elsje and Aaltje and came out as Van der Kreeft or Kreest. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com