I am curious about the background of Anna Leisler HERMAN. Is anything more known about her? I am a descendant of Jacob LEISLER, the ill-fated Acting Governor of the NY Colony during the Glorious Revolution. I have never seen mention of Anna Leisler HERMAN before. Bob Protzmann ----- Original Message ----- From: E Johnson Date: Thursday, March 1, 2007 11:22 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Anna HERMAN To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Thanks very much for checking your resources, Howard. > > > The earliest generations of the Colonial HACK family of Eastern Shore > Virginia and Maryland have a series of sons called George > Nicholas and > they also have many wives called Ann. > > One of my biggest questions lately is whether or not there was a > George Nicholas HACK, son of the Joris HACK who was baptized in > Cologne in > 1620, and his wife Ann VERLET, sister of Jannetje VERLET, > Augustine HERMAN's wife. Their son, George Nicholas, probably born > around 1646, is said to have married "Anna Leisler HERMAN." But > nobody seems to have documentation on this marriage and as you > (Howard) noticed, there's not much if anything around on the Anna > HERMAN who is supposed to be the sister of Augustine. > > Joris HACK and Anna Verlet also had son Peter who had many > descendents. But for now the focus is on son george Nicholas and his > wife or wives. > > The possibility have been raised that two generations of men called > "George Nicolas > HACK could have been made of one --George N #1 married "Anna Leisler > HERMAN"; George N #2 married Ann Wright. > > Info on these two generations of Joris HACK descendents seems to have > come from a monument on a grave: > > The only place anyone seems to cite as a source for this supposed > marriage to "Anna Leisler HERMAN" is in a book which describes a > memorial obelisk in Fairview Cemetery in Accomack County VA, > near the > HACK home. This obelisk was erected by descendents, possibly in place > of or above a > group of family tombstones. Ralph T. Whitelaw in Vol. II of Virginia's > Eastern Shore, pps. 658-659 makes comments and gives the text of > inscriptions on the faces of this monument. He has no sources > but is > simply reporting what is engraved in the stone. He says "Some years > ago, all of the tombstones in the family graveyard were buried, a > granite coping set around the plot, and a shaft raised in > the center. Upon the shaft is inscribed: > > WEST FACE > > (Hack Coat of Arms) > > In Memory of > Dr. Joris Hack, baptized > in Cologne, Germany, March > 20, 1620, died in Virginia, 1665; > Married Anna Varlett > daughter of Casper and > Judith Varlett > Their son, Dr. George > Nicholas Hack, born in > Cologne, Germany, died in > Accomac County, Virginia; > Married Anne Leisler > Herman, born in Amsterdam, > Holland, sister of > Augustine Herman of > Bohemian Manor, > Cecil County, Maryland, > Lieutenant Colonel George > Nicholas Hack, died 1705. > and Ann, his wife, daughter of > Richard Wright and Ann. > his wife, daughter of Colonel John. > Mottrom of Northern > Neck, Virginia." > > The other sides of the shaft have inscriptions about descendents > of Joris HACK. > > ............................. > In USGenweb archives for Accomack County, there is an entry > entitled,"Survey Report, Hacks burying ground. Mason's property: > 1938." The report gives the location of this burial ground, then gives > descriptions or inscriptions of the monuments of those buried there. > The original document was transcribed by Joan Renfrow and posted on > USGenWeb Archives for Accomack Co. at > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/accomack/cemeteries/hack03.txt > > The original survey of this site can be found at the Library of > Virginia. > The long inscription is the last entry in a section of the > report is said > to be 'historical background' without stating from where the > 'background' came. At the bottom of the page is also stated that > information was taken from the grave markers. But from the > report it > is unclear whether the person visiting the site (in 1938) and > making the report > actually read this from a marker then in existence, or whether the > informant for the 'background' was also the source of the marker > reading. > > The inscription on this ends the same as above described, but differs > in that in the 1938 description/transcription, above or maybe on the > carved coat of arms there is a motto "Avide et Constanter" and a > name/date combination: "Joris Hack 1646" > > There is an image online of this monument. It's impossible to tell > from the image if the motto and the words, "Joris Hack 1646" are on > the crest, and simply not reported in the second descriptiion of this > monument. > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/g/o/d/Bryan-S- > Godfrey/PHOTO/0267photo.html > It's also unclear to me if the inscription described in 1938 was on > one of a set of tombstones that were "buried" at the site of the more > recent monument or > if the 1938 report describes the new monument. > > In the absence of evidence of "Anne Leisler Herman's" existence, I > wonder if a source of confusion may have been the 1663 and 1666 > petitions for naturalization of Augustine Herman and his wife and > children, with Anna and Joris/George Hack and their children. In those > documents, transcripts of which are in Maryland State Archives, > Augustine HERMAN and Joris (George) HACK are described as > brothers-in-law. In MSA Volume 1, Page 462 "Proceedings and Acts of > the General Assembly January 1637/8-September 1664" is a record > of a > petition of > Augustine Herman for an "Act of Naturalizacon for himselfe, Children > and his brother in Lawe George Hack." > > "On Thursday Sept 17th, 1663, it was ordered that "an Acte of > Naturalizacon be prepared for Augustine Herman, and his Children and > his brother in Lawe George Hack and his wife and Children."" > > There are a couple of places this appears in MSA, this is the first. > > Since Anna VERLET, wife of Joris/George HACK, and Jannetje VERLET, > wife of Augustine HERMAN, were almost certainly sisters > (daughters of > Caspar Verlet and Judith Tentenier), these two men were > brothers-in-law whether or not there was ever any HACK marriage to > Anna HERMAN. But perhaps because of this naturalization petition, > somehow the HERMAN surname got crunched onto the Ann (Wright) who > married George Nicolas HACK, who was probably Joris' and Anna VERLET's > son. > > > He had a daughter, Anna Margareta bp. 10 Mar 1658 in New Amsterdam. > Riker says she and her husband removed to Maryland in 1703. Could > this be the Anna you want? > > Don't think so. Augustine Herman's daughter Anna Margaretha supposedly > married Henry Ward and Matthias Vanderheyden. > > > > Since the above sources say Augustine was born in Prague, > that is where you should look for baptisms of any alleged siblings. > > Yep. The family MYTH (I have no documentation, just the story for > those interested): > The parents of Augustine Herman and Anna: The father, Ephraim (aka > Abraham), Merchant and Councilman of Prague, had married Beatrice > Redel. He is said to have been a Hussite (no clue what that > is) and > in 1618 had been one of the signers of a Protestant document, > addressed to Emperor Maximillian. For signing this, he was banished > from Prague. Thought to have died soon after in one of the > battles of > the Thirty Year's War. His wife (or widow) fled to Amsterdam > with Anna > and Augustine. > > Augustine Herman was educated in Holland. Not myth --he first worked > for the merchant firm, Gabry of Amsterdam. But his sister, if > the ever > came to the colonies, seems to have been invisible. I also wonder > where her supposed middle name "Leisler" of Anna Herman came from. > "Leisler" comes in around 1700 in NY history, and this name > seems out > of place in the name of someone born in Euro in the 1600-1620 range. > > > > Be sure to search using Heermans, etc. as well. > > Yep. That and more. > > > I have a bit more info on the earlier Hacks if anyone needs... have > nice obscure bit on Joris' youngest brother Severijn who was > killed by > Indians in 1661. Have lineup of two Hack families bapt in > Amsterdam in > the 1616 to 1630's. Seems only Joris and Severijn emigrated. Have > notes on a few land records, etc. > Am just at the beginning at this point. If anyone can contribute > anything, please do. > > > Thank you again, Howard. Appreciate it very much. > > Best to all, > Liz J > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >