Hi Sandra, Welcome to the Dutch Colonies list. You wrote <I'm a newbie to this list. I'm trying to find information on my ancestor, Jan Dirksz VanArnhem, who was born 1640 in Arnhem, Gelderland, the Netherlands. According to the LDS Ancestral File, he was married to Sarah Teunis 28 June 1664. They had eight children, all born in the Netherlands> Your ancestors Jan Dirckszen Van Aernum and Sara Theunis were married in this country. They also had eight children born and baptized in this country. Their marriage banns on 28 June 1664 tells us where they were van/from. "Jan Dirckszen Van Aernhem, Soldaet, en Sara Theuniszen, j.d. Van Rotterdam." He is a soldier from Arnhem and she is from Rotterdam. Their marriage banns are entered in the New Amsterdam Dutch Church which became the New York Dutch Church after the English takeover on 8 Sept 1664. They had the following children all baptized in the New York DRCh. Dirckje, baptized 31 Dec 1664; Magdalena baptized 18 Aug 1669; Jan, baptized 4 Jun 1671; Abraham baptized 9 Apr 1673; Marie baptized 14 Jul 1675; Catharina baptized 26 Sep 1677; and twins Isaac and Jacob baptized 3 Apr 1680. I am descended from their daughter Maria who married Jan Janszen Eckerson Regards, Ethel Kay Konight ========================================== In a message dated 3/1/2007 sandra_vanorman@msn.com writes: Hello, I'm a newbie to this list. I'm trying to find information on my ancestor, Jan Dirksz VanArnhem, who was born 1640 in Arnhem, Gelderland, the Netherlands. According to the LDS Ancestral File, he was married to Sarah Teunis 28 June 1664. They had eight children, all born in the Netherlands. Now that I've "jumped the pond" can anyone tell me where I might find birth and marriage records in the Netherlands for this family? Jan's descendants settled in New Amsterdam New York, and also Vermont, where five VanArnhems were members of Ethan Allen's Green Mountain Boys. They were from Pownal, Bennington co. Vermont. Any help on this family would be very much appreciated. Sandra VanOrman ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Dear Ethel-- Jan Dircks and Sara Theunis had eight children who show in the New Amsterdam DRC records. However, if you'll check the witnesses at later Van Arnam and Eckerson baptisms you'll see that they probably had a daughter, Helena, for whom there are no baptismal records. (Or marriage, although she apparently married someone named Thomas Huick/Huyg whom I've been unable to identify.) There's a gap between Dirckje and Magdalena into which she might fit. Or she might have been born after the twins Isaac and Jacob (as might one or two more children.) Based on very scanty evidence, it's possible Jan Dircks lived well past the last record I can find for him in 1682 in Harlem. I'm pretty sure Sara Theunis lived at least until 1716 although the identification depends upon when her son Abraham Van Arnam died. ( I believe about 1731 but I haven't been able to tell for certain yet.) On the other hand, perhaps Helena IS daughter Magdalena, that is to say that perhaps her name was actually Magdalena Helena (Van Arnhem). Based (again) on scanty evidence, I think there's a good chance that, despite the origins listed at their marriage, either Jan Dircks or Sara Theunis or even both were not Dutch and might have given one or more children multiple names as in French and German custom. In any case, I can find no subsequent record of their daughter Magdalena and her name is not a "Van Arnam name" in later generations. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: <ETHELKK@aol.com> To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem Family > > Hi Sandra, > > Welcome to the Dutch Colonies list. You wrote <I'm a newbie to this list. > I'm trying to find information on my ancestor, Jan Dirksz VanArnhem, who was > born 1640 in Arnhem, Gelderland, the Netherlands. According to the LDS > Ancestral File, he was married to Sarah Teunis 28 June 1664. They had eight > children, all born in the Netherlands> > > Your ancestors Jan Dirckszen Van Aernum and Sara Theunis were married in > this country. They also had eight children born and baptized in this country. > Their marriage banns on 28 June 1664 tells us where they were van/from. "Jan > Dirckszen Van Aernhem, Soldaet, en Sara Theuniszen, j.d. Van Rotterdam." > He is a soldier from Arnhem and she is from Rotterdam. Their marriage banns > are entered in the New Amsterdam Dutch Church which became the New York Dutch > Church after the English takeover on 8 Sept 1664. > > They had the following children all baptized in the New York DRCh. > Dirckje, baptized 31 Dec 1664; Magdalena baptized 18 Aug 1669; Jan, > baptized 4 Jun 1671; > Abraham baptized 9 Apr 1673; Marie baptized 14 Jul 1675; Catharina > baptized 26 Sep 1677; > and twins Isaac and Jacob baptized 3 Apr 1680. > > I am descended from their daughter Maria who married Jan Janszen Eckerson > > Regards, > Ethel Kay Konight > > ========================================== > In a message dated 3/1/2007 sandra_vanorman@msn.com writes: > > Hello, > I'm a newbie to this list. I'm trying to find information on my ancestor, > Jan Dirksz VanArnhem, who was born 1640 in Arnhem, Gelderland, the Netherlands. > According to the LDS Ancestral File, he was married to Sarah Teunis 28 June > 1664. They had eight children, all born in the Netherlands. > > Now that I've "jumped the pond" can anyone tell me where I might find birth > and marriage records in the Netherlands for this family? > Jan's descendants settled in New Amsterdam New York, and also Vermont, where > five VanArnhems were members of Ethan Allen's Green Mountain Boys. They were > from Pownal, Bennington co. Vermont. > > Any help on this family would be very much appreciated. > > Sandra VanOrman > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pete, From: "j. gonigam" <gonigam@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem Family > Dear Ethel-- > > Jan Dircks and Sara Theunis had eight children who show in the New Amsterdam > DRC records. However, if you'll check the witnesses at later Van Arnam and > Eckerson baptisms you'll see that they probably had a daughter, > Helena, for whom there are no baptismal records. (Or marriage, although > she apparently married someone named Thomas Huick/Huyg whom I've > been unable to identify.) snip > On the other hand, perhaps Helena IS daughter Magdalena, that is to say that > perhaps her name was actually Magdalena Helena (Van Arnhem). Based (again) > on scanty evidence, I think there's a good chance that, despite the origins > listed at their marriage, either Jan Dircks or Sara Theunis or even both > were not Dutch and might have given one or more children multiple names > as in French and German custom. In any case, I can find no subsequent > record of their daughter Magdalena and her name is not a "Van Arnam name" > in later generations. What probably happened was that the parents told the minister the name of the child was Leentje. And the minister, instead of writing this down, guessed (wrongly) as to her full name and put down Magdalena when it should have been Helena. Eg. Magdalena Hans, the wife of Hendrick Janszen Spier, is mostly shown as some form of Magdalena or Magdalentje. But at the bp. of one of her children she is shown as Helena. Also, see "New Netherland Naming Systems and Customs" by Kenn Stryker-Rodda in NYGBR 126:35-45 at p. 37. "... the real trouble coming when people tried to work backward to the original name. Many a girl baptized as Magdalena but called Lena was married as Elenora and appeared in baptismal records of her children as Helena." Sometimes it is hard to tell which is the correct full name. It sounds like in your case, it is Helena. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com