Dear Ed, You mentioned Wouter Bruyn but not his relationship to the family of Claes Corneliszen Van Schouw. Wouter married Neeltje Herperts, daughter of Herpert Claeszen and granddaughter of Claes Corneliszen Van Schouw. Neeltje was still alive when Wouter made his will on June 28, 1732. In the will he calls himself Wouter Brown. He lived in the township of Hempstead, Queens County, according to the will. Over the last year or so I posted several messages to Dutch-Colonies on Herpert Claeszen of Amersfoort. He was the eldest son of Claes Corneliszen Van Schouw. These can be found using the search engine for Dutch-Colonies. Also, postings concerning Wouter Bruyn (as Wouter Brunosz and other spellings) can be found using the search engine. Concerning the recent DNA program for descendants of Claes Corneliszen Van Schouw in male lines: There are now 3 Clawsons (one my close cousin), descending from Willem Claeszen, whose DNA matches the DNA of 3 Petersons descending from Gerbrant Claeszen. This is confirmatory evidence that Willem Claeszen and Gerbrant Claeszen were brothers and indeed were sons of Claes Corneliszen Van Schouw. Previous non-DNA evidence included Gerbrant serving as witness at the baptism of Willem's first child and Willem naming a son Gerbrant. I am saving a hard-copy of your last message and I may be able to comment on some other parts of this message later. Best Wishes, Ed, and to all. Frank S. Crosswhite