Thanks for this. I just sent an e-mail about Elsa Banta's book that says he married a Jans, so this is very god. Thanks again. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela J. Sears" <pjsears@stratos.net> To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem Family + Fonda > Hi Sandra, Donna, Ethel, Richard, et al > > > I have a bit to add to what Ethel provided to the List, but don't know > what Pete or Richard may have sent to you privately. However, I do have > a question which perhaps someone can answer. Ethel, see below. > > Jan Janszen Van Aernhem married Hester Fonda 14 Oct 1696 as recorded in > the Reformed Dutch Church of Albany, where both were living at the time. > > Hester Fonda was born circa 1676 in Albany, the daughter of Douwe Jillis > Fonda and Rebecca, his wife. Douwe Jillis Fonda was baptized in > Amsterdam, Noord Holland, The Netherlands on 24 Nov 1641 at the Nieuwe > kerk, the son of Jelle Douwesz and Ester Douwes. See the article by > Robert G. Cooney, Jr., "Amsterdam Records of the Fonda Family" which > appeared in the New York Genealogical and Biographical Record in Jan > 1988 [NYG&BR 119:1-5]. > > For those interested in the FONDA European ancestry, Harry Macy, Jr. > (recently retired editor of the NYG&B Record, wrote a postscript to > Robert Cooney's article that gives this (very probable) descent from > 16th-century ancestors: > > Jacob Harmens and Bot Hennedr. > Benedictus Jacobs (died ca. 1582) and Aecht Eernstdr. > Evert Benedictus (died 1610) > Douwe Everts and Wytscke Dircxdr. > Jillis Douwes Fonda and Hester Douwes > > [Thanks to Dorothy Koenig, who provided the above descent]. > > > My question involves the following issue. It is widely reported (and/or > duplicated) that Douwe Jillis Fonda married Rebecca, the daughter of > Leendert Philips Conyn and his wife Agnieta Caspars, but I find no > evidence to support that claim. Is this information given by Mr. Cooney > in his article "Amsterdam Records of the Fonda Family" (and what is his > rationale) or is there another source that I am not aware of? > > If Rebecca, the wife of Douwe Jillis Fonda, were the daughter of > Leendert Philips Conyn, she would be styled Rebecca Leenderts or Rebecca > Conyn in at least some of the extant records, but this is not so. > Rather, she is more often referred to as Rebecca Jans, or simply Rebecca > Fonda. > > Also, Douwe Jillis Fonda and Rebecca, his wife, named no son Leendert, > nor a daughter Agniete, after the (supposed) maternal grandparents. > However, all the known children of Leendert Philipse Conyn and Agniete > Caspars (Maritje, Lysbeth, Commertje, Caspar and Philip), did indeed > name sons and daughters Leendert and Agnietje. > > A few representative examples of baptismal sponsorships follow: > > 10 May 1696 at Albany: Rebecca, of Johannes Fonda and Marritje > Lookerman. Wit.: Douwe Fonda, Rebecca Fonda. > > 23 Aug 1696 at Albany: Douwe, of Jelis Fonda and Rachel Winnen. Wit.: > Douwe Fonda, Rebecca Fonda. > > 15 Aug 1697 at Albany: Sara, of Jan Jansz Van Haarlem and Hester Fonda. > Wit.: Douwe Fonda, Rebecca Fonda. > > 1 Sep 1700 at Schenectady: Douwe (#75); Father: Jelles Vonda; Mother: > Rachel Winne; Sponsors: Douwe Vonda, Rebecka Jansen > > In the extant baptismal records for the children of Douwe Fonda and > Rebecca, his wife, at Albany (Isaac, 9 Mar 1684; Rebecca, 17 Mar 1686; > and Antje, 2 Feb 1690), the spouse's name is never given. > > Lastly, I see no evidence of Conyn sponsors at any of the baptisms of > the Fonda children, yet Leendert Philips (who died 1704) and Agnietje > Caspars were still sponsoring as late as (and I may have missed a few), > and his children were definitely available as well: > > 9 Jul 1693 at Albany: Rebecca, of Harme Gansevoort and Marietje > Leendertsz. Wit.: Leendert Phlipsz, Agnietje Leendertsz. > > 28 Apr 1695 at Albany: Helena, of Jan Bronk and Commertje Leendertsz. > Wit.: Leendert Phlipsz, Tomas Harmensz, Elsje Winne. > > The brewing and distilling business aside (which is the usual link for > the placement of Rebecca as the daughter of Leendert Philips Conyn), I > see no solid evidence that supports this (as either 1st or 2nd wife). > > Any insight will be greatly appreciated (or, what have I missed? :-). > > Regards, > Pam Sears > > p.s. for Sandra: > > Jan Janszen Van Aernhem was baptized 4 Jun 1671 at the New York Reformed > Dutch Church, the son of Jan Dirckszen (Van Aernhem) & Sara Teunis: > > 4 Jun 1671; Jan Dircxzen Van Aernhem, Sara; Jan; Jan Laurenszen Duyts, > Mayken Laurens > > He married 14 Oct 1696 at the Reformed Dutch Church of Albany to Hester > Fonda, b circa 1676/77: > > Oct. 14, 1696. Jan Jansz Van Aarnem, young man, and Hester Fonda, young > daughter, both living here [Albany]. > > > Children of Jan Janszen Van Aernhem & Hester Fonda, all baptized at the > Albany Reformed Dutch Church: > > 1. 15 Aug 1697; Sara, of Jan Jansz Van Haarlem and Hester Fonda. Wit.: > Douwe Fonda, Rebecca Fonda. > > 2. 28 Apr 1700; Abraam, of Jan Jansse Van Aarnheym and Hester Fonda. > Wit.: Claes Fonda, Helena Fonda. > > 3. 25 Mar 1702; Rebecca, of Jan Janse Van Aarnhem and Hester Fonda. > Wit.: Jan Fonda, Marretje Lokermans. > > 4. 6 May 1704; Isaac, of Jan Janse Van Aarnhem and Hester Fonda. Wit.: > Salomon and Alida Van Vechten. > > 5. 17 Nov 1706; Rachel, of John Johnson Van Aarnhem and Hester Fonda. > Wit.: Isaac and Rebecca Fonda. > > 6. 3 Oct 1708; Jan Dirk, of Jan Janse Van Aarnhem, dec'd., and Esther > Fonda. Wit.: Jan Fonda, in place of the father; Cornelis Maasse, Anna > Fonda. > > BTW Sandra. I believe it was Jan Janszen Van Aernhem who died 1 Apr 1708 > (and not Hester Fonda) as evidenced by baptismal record #6 above. Hester > Fonda, the widow of Jan Janszen Van Aerhnhem, _may_ be the one who died > on 23 Feb 1753 and is buried in the Albany Dutch Church yard. > > Pam > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >