What an interesting topic! You certainly know how to get everyone thinking, Dorothy. It took me 25 years to find the parents of my Franklin Hazelton Ward who was born in Herkimer County, New York in 1818 and later lived in St. Joseph County, Indiana. He was the illegitimate son of Aaron Ward (Jr.) and Pheba Burch. Then on a "Come Back to New England" week in 1996 I found a family history, written by a woman who was alive when F.H. Ward was. The book went back two more generation telling me that F.H. Ward's grandparents were Aaron Ward (Sr.) and Elisabeth Wendell and the "rest is history". I have found many interesting early New Netherland ancestors of Dutch, Huguenot, English and German decent. Ann Andersen -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:38 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 2, Issue 112 Today's Topics: 1. Re: How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry (Dave & Liz DuBois) 2. Re: Lawyer Families? (Barbara de Mare) 3. Re: How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry (NYHuguenot@aol.com) 4. Re: Lawyer Families? (Elsie H. Wilson) 5. Re: How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry (Barbara de Mare) 6. How I found I was Dutch... (Barbara Whiteside) 7. Re: How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry (Elsie H. Wilson) 8. Re: How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry (E Johnson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:20:36 -0700 From: Dave & Liz DuBois <ddubois@sinclair.net> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <46004214.3040302@sinclair.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I sort of stumbled onto my Dutch ancestry! My father passed away in 1989, leaving his odd collection of genealogical notes. My mother asked me to "tie up the loose ends". At first I flatly refused, but then she hit me with, "Well, I'll just throw it all away then!" and I caved in, took the two huge boxes of his jumbled papers and spent months sorting. >From what my mother had said and what I vaguely remembered my father and his mother saying, that side of the family was English, with a bit of Scotch and Irish thrown in for variety. Months of sorting and doing a little bit of loose ends tying, I found more English, Irish and Scotch. As I worked on the WISNER line (originally from Switzerland) I soon discovered a number of Dutch connections in New York and New Netherland...BERTHOLF, VANDEREBOGART/D, TERHUNE. One name led to another...a good Scotsman, MAXWELL, in Elmira, NY married VANSTEENBERG. Then my mother sent me all of her genealogy notes since "You are doing such a great job with Dad's!" She was convinced they were all Scotch and German, with maybe an Irish line in there. They were, but her LOTT line (which she thought was German and which I can't seem to trace back to anybody!) had married a KIP. Within a year I discovered that my mother and father were cousins. More research over the years has connected them as 9th cousins descended from Nicasius deSILLE, 9th cousins once removed descended from Jan Jansen SCHEPMOES, and 10th cousins descended from Cornelis [VanDerHOEVEN] and Geertje VanFULPEN. But it doesn't stop there! Nearly 10 years after my father's death, my mother remarried. Her new husband knew little of his father's side of the family thanks to a divorce when he was very young. He asked me to do some searching. Much to his delight, I found him a half sister. The bonus for me was that she had a little bit of family genealogy to share. From her meager notes, I was able to find that my father and my step-father were cousins! They are 8th cousins once removed descended from VANSTEENBERG and they are 9th cousins 3 times remove descended from Jan Janszen VanLANGEDYCK! Small world...all Dutch related! I eventually discovered Dutch ancestors on my husband's side of the family, since DuBois was in New York from about 1660 and married into several Dutch lines. And while my husband and I are also distant cousins, as is our daughter and her husband, those are all English connections in New England. Liz ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:14:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara de Mare <barbarademare@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Lawyer Families? To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <600174.18486.qm@web56911.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 There was a large Lawyer family in Montgomery or Schoharie County, New York (not quite sure where the boundary is). They lived in Lawyersville, which is now a crossroads near Cobleskill (Schoharie County). That area wasn't settled until the early 18th century, so the dates are right. I don't think they were either Dutch or Palatines, the main settlers of the area, so have no idea when whence they got there. Debbie Freeman <freeames@comcast.net> wrote: Hello, I sure could use some help or guidance. I have come across a puzzle. I am trying to locate the family (parents, siblings) of a Jacob Lawyer (B about 1757 D 1821 in Ohio), or where he came from. I have a Jacob Lawyer mentioned in his father-in laws probate. Adam Kline born possibly in Germany, Died in Frederick Co., VA in 1799. There is also a John Adam Lawyer B about 1750-55 in PA who died in 1799 in Frederick Co., VA. Now my puzzle. There seems to be a lot of Lawyers in Schoharie, Albany Co., NY and Northcumberland Co., and Mixed Twp., York Co., PA. Has anyone come across any of the the Lawyer families? Does anyone see a migration pattern? There is a possibility that the NY Lawyers were Loyalist to the English Crown. Any Help would be appreciated. I am unsure where to go from here. Thank You, Debbie Freeman ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:06:00 EDT From: NYHuguenot@aol.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c65.f409a11.3331a6b8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I guess I always knew it. One of my mother's favorite expressions when I was misbehaving was "Don't get my Dutch up!". Her maiden name was Demarest One time Our Pastor at the Reformed Church Of South Bushwick, Pastor Van Der Beek talked about how almost all of us were sitting amongst our cousins. Over the years I have learned that as a small group of people who have never left the New York/New Jersey area that almost everyone whose family is still there is related in some way. My wife who lived in Southern New Jersey has cousins, the Molls who were my cousins before they were hers. She grew up in Woodbury in Gloucester County. I made a trip to the County Historical Society one day and found a pamphlet on Pierre Cresson's family who had settled there marrying into the De La Plaine Family. My wife has ancestors named Provost and Ten Waert and Scholl who are also connected to the others. While we both have lots of connections to other Dutch and Huguenot families think of my son who now has many more connections. His fiancee is also of Huguenot ancestry from Richmond, VA. This gets complicated! Robert Demarest Cuminale ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:25:31 -0500 From: "Elsie H. Wilson" <ehwilson@charter.net> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Lawyer Families? To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20070320162357.00b3ed08@mail.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed There are Loyer/Lawyer families in York and possibly Lancaster Co. PA. One family of Loyers came from York Co. PA to Erie Co. PA about the same time as the Throne/Trone family made the same move. Elsie Wilson At 10:39 AM 3/20/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, > >I sure could use some help or guidance. I have come across a puzzle. > >I am trying to locate the family (parents, siblings) of a Jacob Lawyer >(B about 1757 D 1821 in Ohio), or where he came from. > >I have a Jacob Lawyer mentioned in his father-in laws probate. > >Adam Kline born possibly in Germany, Died in Frederick Co., VA in 1799. > >There is also a John Adam Lawyer B about 1750-55 in PA who died in 1799 >in Frederick Co., VA. > >Now my puzzle. > >There seems to be a lot of Lawyers in Schoharie, Albany Co., NY and >Northcumberland Co., and Mixed Twp., York Co., PA. > >Has anyone come across any of the the Lawyer families? Does anyone see a >migration pattern? There is a possibility that the NY Lawyers were >Loyalist to the English Crown. > >Any Help would be appreciated. I am unsure where to go from here. > >Thank You, >Debbie Freeman > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Elsie H. Wilson 5620 Harris Cir. Fitchburg, WI 53575 (608) 835-6791 ehwilson@charter.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:27:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara de Mare <barbarademare@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <957903.2927.qm@web56910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My mother had always told me we had Dutch ancestors, but I thought she was exagerating--why I'm not really sure. I knew we had Schuyler and Beekman ancestors, both of whom are Dutch, but thought they were an anomaly. It was my impression my ancestors were all English, with a small Palatine line thrown in. When I became a serious researcher, at least 10 years ago, I started with the Palatines, who married the Schuylers. From that I learned I had a few more Dutch ancestors than I originally thought, but still didn't think it was significant. Only in the past couple of years did it finally sink in that I had many, many Dutch ancestors. In addition to all the lines which fed into the Beekman and Schuyler lines, other English ancestors had married Dutch. I only gradually came to realize that being descended from one early Dutch family generally implies descent from many. The Huguenots were similarly recently discovered. My self-view was also changed with the knowledge of how very Dutch my ancestry is. I used to consider myself almost purely English, but now consider myself Dutch-English. The Palatine line is still small by comparison to the rest, as they didn't immigrate here until 1710. The Dutch and Engish were nearly a century older. Barbara de Mare from New Jersey Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Whiteside <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I found I was Dutch... To: Dutch - <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <393590.39843.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 was a huge surprise. I was told at age ten by my dad that his mother's family were in Kentucky VERY early, were French Huguenots and the last name was Montfort. It took forever to dig through to find the Montforts that were mine....with them joining the Shakers in 1805-1806 creating a bit of a trial in finding them. I knew the oldest one, in my line that I could find, was probably the son of Francis and Charity Banta Montfort Sr, but could not prove it till I discovered the original Shaker journals at the Filson Historical Society in Louisville, KY. Charity was the youngest daughter of the marriage of Hendrick Banta 3rd and his first wife, Rachel Brower. Charity's son Francis Montfort Jr, would marry the daughter of her half brother, John Banta, son of the second marriage of Hendrick Banta 3rd to Antie Demarest. Confused? I was for awhile. For those who are not familiar with the Shakers, they believed in celibacy and splitting apart families that joined...putting them into Shaker 'Families". For DAR my cousin and I had to prove through the records and journals kept by the Shakers, that three small children were indeed the children of Francis Montfort Jr and his wife/cousin, Polly Banta Montfort. We were able to prove it to their satisfaction and that line was entered into the rolls of Rev War soldiers serving from York County, PA. If you are a descendant of Francis Montfort Sr, you are now eligilble for membership in DAR through his line and I am happy to share with anyone interested. Through the Montfort-Banta line, I have enough Dutch to give me the appearance of a little old Dutch lady of the house...just don't look for the cleaniless is next to Godliness in my own home....someone mentioned a genetic trait for housekeeping...I don't have it either. I did, however, visit Holland, MI and was told I must be Dutch, with my blondish/white hair, fair skin, and very light blue eyes. My lines include, Banta, Montfort, Terhune, Riker, deTruiex, Demarest, Seubering, Stryker, Brinckerhoff, Sohier, dePlanck, Fonda, Samuels, Helling/Hendrickse, Bricker, Brower, etc, For good measure, my Montfort/Banta line married into the family of Boones, Squire and Daniel, through their eldest sister, Sarah Boone Wilcoxson. On the eyes, I learned something interesting at a visit to my eye doctor a couple of years ago. As he was checking inside the eye for problems...he asked if my ancestry was northern European and I said Dutch, northern France...etc...he said he knew it. When I asked how, he explained my eyes were what they called true blue in the field of optometry...jokingly I said...yeah, couldn't get any bluer. He then explained that most people with blue eyes have flecks of color when the doctor inspects the inner eye but people of northern European ancestry many times have no flecks....that is called true blue...and it indicates where your ancestors are from. Its not rare, but not a common to have no flecks...and being a bit on the eccentric side anyway, did wish it were rare instead of not common. HA! Anyway just a bit of trivia to share. I did have the notion of true blue eyes confirmed by another eye doctor and was told the same thing. Interesting. Barbara Whiteside http://bar-b-k.tripod.com THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE Barbara Whiteside bobbeo60@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:37:04 -0500 From: "Elsie H. Wilson" <ehwilson@charter.net> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20070320162700.00b4c330@mail.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed In Pennsylvania where I was born, there is a saying, "Ach, you're Dutch!" It seems to have many meanings: astonishment, unbelief, silliness, etc. I had a great uncle who used to tussle our hair in a friendly greeting and exclaim, "Ach, you're Dutch!" So we all called him "Uncle Dutch." It was my Buys family search that first started me on my trail of Dutch ancestors. But, along the way, I discovered many, many more Dutch connections. The Buys are in my mother's family and when I started researching my father's mother's family I ran into the Van Alstynes a couple generations back. Well, if you're a Van Alstyne, you are a: Van Alen, Van Deusen etc. etc. Both sides of my family are loaded with Dutch! I'm descended from almost every Dutchman (or woman) who got off the boat in New Netherlands! Uncle Dutch was right: "Ach, I'm Dutch!" Elsie Wilson Buys, Marselius, Bauman/Bowman, Bries, Bras, Vreelandt, Van Alstyne, Van Deusen, Van Alen, Van Buren, De Hooges, Bradt, Dumond (French and Dutch), Van Wagenen, Freer (French and Dutch), Pels, and a bunch more! :-) Elsie H. Wilson 5620 Harris Cir. Fitchburg, WI 53575 (608) 835-6791 ehwilson@charter.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:37:45 -0500 From: "E Johnson" <iris.gates@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <70541d1e0703201437g269d165fj1d33a74deab07826@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed My grandmother told me we had Colonial Dutch ancestors when I was no older than five. She said there were some on her side and on her husband's and also in my mother's mother's family. She had a reproduction of a map of the Netherlands on the wall, and would point to a place in West-Friesland, probably around where the Beemster is, and tell me that some of ours came from there. I used to gaze at that map, and at a picture she had of a Dutchman smoking a clay pipe, with a ship in the background. Several years ago I learned my grandparents had been seventh cousins once removed, through two Lane/Van Pelt sisters, Catherine and Moica Gysberts Lane. I don't think my grandmother had been aware of that specific relationship though, because the connection was through a DeHart ancestor. The DeHart name in eastern Pennsylvania had morphed into the pronunciation "Z'art," which was even the way the name was spelled on a fractur birth certificate from 1851. I was pleased to learn the actual surname when I discovered a newspaper article about an interview with my 3-great grandmother, Mary DeHart, born 1815, which had been written in 1903. I recently had occasion to revisit the Beemster in virtuality as I learned of the death of William Whittington, an un-Dutch tobacco merchant from Accomack, Virginia. He died in Graft in 1659 while on a ship-purchasing trip there, and was buried in the floor of the church in Graft, in a grave owned by the Bestevaers, ship captains and tobacco merchants there. Whittington's grave stone survives to this day, wonderfully engraved with a ship in bas-relief, along with his clearly legible name and epitaph. Jan Bestevaer brought over several shiploads of colonists to New Amsterdam, returning to Holland with cargoes of tobacco. One day I'll check the ship's lists to see if any of mine came over in a ship captained by a Bestevaer. It's interesting how things revolve in echoes through time and space. Liz J born & raised in southern NJ ------------------------------ To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. 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