I wonder about my own tangled roots, and would be interested to hear others' thoughts on the subject. While I have a number of two- and three-line ancestors, my grandfather Cockefair (Coquefaire/Kokever/etc.) was descended along four lines from Thomas Fredericks (Cadmus), and along FIVE lines from each of: Hendrick Janszen Spier Teunis Jansen Pier (son of Jan Teunissen) Gerbrant/Garrabrant Claesen (son of Claes Van Schouw) Roelof Cornelisssen (Van Houten) Although not all my lines are perfectly proven, the vast majority are pretty well documented; I doubt errors have created a wrong picture. There are also unsolved lines that could show even more overlaps. If the concentration of my grandfather's genealogy is indeed rare, I suspect it is due to geography. His line of the Cockefair family lived for well over two centuries on a homestead at a remote edge of Dutch territory, just south of the "plain" of Stone House Plains (today, Bloomfield), NJ. To the south lay English neighborhoods; to the west was a ridge (today, Glen Ridge, NJ); and to the east was the Yantecaw (Third) River. Points north were Dutch. Early farms there were frequently a half mile or so apart, so I think marital opportunties were comparatively limited. To what extent are there other "concentrated" Dutch genealogies? Chris On 3/21/07, ETHELKK@aol.com < ETHELKK@aol.com> wrote: > I always knew I was Dutch. My maternal grandparents, the Van Wycks, > emigrated from Holland in 1864. I knew nothing of my > paternal grandparents. When > my daughter was expecting her first child, I knew I had to give my first > grandchild roots and I became hooked on genealogy. What a nice surprise > to find > I have 'New Dutch' and 'Old Dutch'. On my paternal old Dutch side, I > have > about 30 ancestors in New Amsterdam. The next surprise was finding I had > very > tangled roots and was descended from the same ancestor more than once. > > > My tangled roots. > *I am descended from three sons of Epke Jacobsen Banta, the immigrant. > *I am descended from two sons of David J Demarest, the immigrant. > *I am descended from two daughters of Lubbert Gysbertsen Van Blarcom, the > immigrant. > *I am descended from two sons of David Ackerman, the immigrant. > *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Jan Louwe Bogert, the > immigrant. > *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Joost DeBaun, the immigrant. > > *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Jan Tiebout, the immigrant. > *I am descended from two daughters of Simon DeRuine, the immigrant. > *Jannetje Jans married 1) Christiaen Barentsen Van Horn, the immigrant > and 2) Laurens Andriessen Van Buskirk, the immigrant, and I am descended > from a son from both of Jannetje's marriages. > > Ethel Kay Konight > > > > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

Hi, My connections are a little more down the line and in Kentucky.. My great grandfather (George Drane Montfort) married his 2nd cousin Sarah Katherine Johnston, whose mother was Kathereine Vories. Sarah (or Bettie) died after 5 children, my grandfather was 15 months old. George had to have someone to take care of all those children, so he married again-a 2nd cousin to him and to his first wife (Flora Vories). Flora had 2 children and she died, Now he had 7 children that needed attention. So---He married another 2nd. cousin, Caroline Ransdell, whose mother was a Martha Vories. So, all four of these people were 2nd cousins, lived very close to each other and were happy family. These men all lived to be very close to 100, my own grandfather was 98 at death and still mentally alert. Bettie and two of the cousins made a quilt and sewed their names at the top. She died in 1878 and my sister has the quilt. I have a picture. I have pictures of James and Francis Vories who were sons of Francis Vories and Katherine Montfort. They came to Ky .ca 1780. If anyone would like copies of these men I will be glad to send them to you if you give me your personal e-mail. They won't take these on the site. I also have a picture of Katherine Vories who was the grandmother of Bettie. These men were born in the late 1700's, are buried in Campbellsburg, Ky. and I put flowers on their graves on Memorial Day. Donna Stark, whose mother was Cordelia Alice Montfort ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schopfer" <cjschopfer@gmail.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Tangled Roots (was: How I discovered I haveDutch ancestry) >I wonder about my own tangled roots, and would be interested to hear >others' > thoughts on the subject. > > While I have a number of two- and three-line ancestors, my grandfather > Cockefair (Coquefaire/Kokever/etc.) was descended along four lines from > Thomas Fredericks (Cadmus), and along FIVE lines from each of: > > Hendrick Janszen Spier > Teunis Jansen Pier (son of Jan Teunissen) > Gerbrant/Garrabrant Claesen (son of Claes Van Schouw) > Roelof Cornelisssen (Van Houten) > > Although not all my lines are perfectly proven, the vast majority are > pretty > well documented; I doubt errors have created a wrong picture. There are > also > unsolved lines that could show even more overlaps. > > If the concentration of my grandfather's genealogy is indeed rare, I > suspect > it is due to geography. His line of the Cockefair family lived for well > over > two centuries on a homestead at a remote edge of Dutch territory, just > south > of the "plain" of Stone House Plains (today, Bloomfield), NJ. To the south > lay English neighborhoods; to the west was a ridge (today, Glen Ridge, > NJ); > and to the east was the Yantecaw (Third) River. Points north were > Dutch. Early farms there were frequently a half mile or so apart, so I > think > marital opportunties were comparatively limited. > > To what extent are there other "concentrated" Dutch genealogies? > > Chris > > > On 3/21/07, ETHELKK@aol.com < ETHELKK@aol.com> wrote: > >> I always knew I was Dutch. My maternal grandparents, the Van Wycks, >> emigrated from Holland in 1864. I knew nothing of my >> paternal grandparents. When >> my daughter was expecting her first child, I knew I had to give my >> first >> grandchild roots and I became hooked on genealogy. What a nice >> surprise >> to find >> I have 'New Dutch' and 'Old Dutch'. On my paternal old Dutch side, I >> have >> about 30 ancestors in New Amsterdam. The next surprise was finding I >> had >> very >> tangled roots and was descended from the same ancestor more than once. >> >> >> My tangled roots. >> *I am descended from three sons of Epke Jacobsen Banta, the immigrant. >> *I am descended from two sons of David J Demarest, the immigrant. >> *I am descended from two daughters of Lubbert Gysbertsen Van Blarcom, >> the >> immigrant. >> *I am descended from two sons of David Ackerman, the immigrant. >> *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Jan Louwe Bogert, the >> immigrant. >> *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Joost DeBaun, the >> immigrant. >> >> *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Jan Tiebout, the immigrant. >> *I am descended from two daughters of Simon DeRuine, the immigrant. >> *Jannetje Jans married 1) Christiaen Barentsen Van Horn, the immigrant >> and 2) Laurens Andriessen Van Buskirk, the immigrant, and I am descended >> from a son from both of Jannetje's marriages. >> >> Ethel Kay Konight >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** AOL now offers free email to >> everyone. >> Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Chris: I believe that the term is "pedigree collapse." Common ancestral lines repeating; thereby collapsing lines (including the literal ones on your chart) into one another leading back to the same ancestors. No, it is not unusual -- at least not as unusual as you might think. In fact it's logical: If your ancestors were among the first Europeans to settle a geographic area, such as your Essex County NJ people (also my people), they were initially of a small pool of families. These families married into each other by necessity, and sometimes repeatedly over the early generations. Continuing geographic proximity plus familiarity through marriage created more intermarriage. Cultural alignment prolonged intermarriage among the Dutch families in this (northern NJ) area, even as they decreased to a modest minority. My own parents, married in 1955, were lineal descendants of two of the oldest families in Bergen County, NJ: Terhune and Van Blarcom. I have often said that my ancestors -- three quarters of them ended up in Bergen and Essex Counties -- had "feet of cement." Nobody went west, or in any other direction. In the patrilineal sense, I am 11th generation Bergen County, and I have many multiple descents. My pedigree is highly collapsed, with six Terhune descents, three Van Blarcom descents, nine Ackerman descents, six Bogert descents, four Van Voorhees and Van Winkle descents - and several others like this - and the Grand Prize winner: ten descents from David Demarest. Because of this (Demarest) and other repeating common ancestry, a man I work with, a Demarest, and I are related dozens of times over. My parents were related many, many times over. Distantly! :-) I am my own cousin (over and over). I joke that it is amazing there isn't more that's wrong with me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Schopfer Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:53 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Tangled Roots (was: How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry) To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > I wonder about my own tangled roots, and would be interested to > hear others' > thoughts on the subject. > > While I have a number of two- and three-line ancestors, my grandfather > Cockefair (Coquefaire/Kokever/etc.) was descended along four > lines from > Thomas Fredericks (Cadmus), and along FIVE lines from each of: > > Hendrick Janszen Spier > Teunis Jansen Pier (son of Jan Teunissen) > Gerbrant/Garrabrant Claesen (son of Claes Van Schouw) > Roelof Cornelisssen (Van Houten) > > Although not all my lines are perfectly proven, the vast > majority are pretty > well documented; I doubt errors have created a wrong picture. > There are also > unsolved lines that could show even more overlaps. > > If the concentration of my grandfather's genealogy is indeed > rare, I suspect > it is due to geography. His line of the Cockefair family lived > for well over > two centuries on a homestead at a remote edge of Dutch > territory, just south > of the "plain" of Stone House Plains (today, Bloomfield), NJ. To > the south > lay English neighborhoods; to the west was a ridge (today, Glen > Ridge, NJ); > and to the east was the Yantecaw (Third) River. Points north were > Dutch. Early farms there were frequently a half mile or so > apart, so I think > marital opportunties were comparatively limited. > > To what extent are there other "concentrated" Dutch genealogies? > > Chris > > > On 3/21/07, ETHELKK@aol.com < ETHELKK@aol.com> wrote: > > > I always knew I was Dutch. My maternal grandparents, the Van Wycks, > > emigrated from Holland in 1864. I knew nothing of my > > paternal grandparents. When > > my daughter was expecting her first child, I knew I had to > give my first > > grandchild roots and I became hooked on genealogy. What a > nice surprise > > to find > > I have 'New Dutch' and 'Old Dutch'. On my paternal old Dutch > side, I > > have > > about 30 ancestors in New Amsterdam. The next surprise was > finding I had > > very > > tangled roots and was descended from the same ancestor more > than once. > > > > > > My tangled roots. > > *I am descended from three sons of Epke Jacobsen Banta, the > immigrant.> *I am descended from two sons of David J Demarest, > the immigrant. > > *I am descended from two daughters of Lubbert Gysbertsen Van > Blarcom, the > > immigrant. > > *I am descended from two sons of David Ackerman, the immigrant. > > *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Jan Louwe Bogert, > the > > immigrant. > > *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Joost DeBaun, > the immigrant. > > > > *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Jan Tiebout, the > immigrant.> *I am descended from two daughters of Simon DeRuine, > the immigrant. > > *Jannetje Jans married 1) Christiaen Barentsen Van Horn, the > immigrant> and 2) Laurens Andriessen Van Buskirk, the immigrant, > and I am descended > > from a son from both of Jannetje's marriages. > > > > Ethel Kay Konight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free > email to > > everyone. > > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body > > of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >