Dear Sandra-- Sorry, my error. (I only know about these people to separate them from my own Van Arnams.) Linda Schwenn pointed out that I've confused Luykas and his brother Isaac. Luykas descendants are the ones who ended up around LaColle, Quebec. Isaac's followed Ira Allen further north into Vermont around Shelburne. As a matter of fact, my confusion probably stems from the abduction of Luykas' wife to Canada during the Revolution. I don't think I've ever found an actual account of that. Perhaps Linda has. Nor have I been able to figure out the parents of Sara Paine; if you ever do I need to know since there is a Paine family that shows up (extremely) tangential to the Van Arnhems back in New Amsterdam/New York City. While I'm at it, no one knows when Jannetje Salsbury died although it is clear that Isaac(1704) Van Arnam had a wife named Elizabeth by 1754 when he begins to appear in the Albany DRC records again. There is no record of the birth of sons Isaac and Abraham in 1744 (if their tombstones, one of which no longer exists, are to be believed) so it's unclear if they are Luykas' brothers or half-brothers. Isaac(1704) and his family just give me fits. I've received no offline msg. You can reach me at gonigam@gmail.com . --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra VanOrman" <sandra_vanorman@msn.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > Hi Peter > > This answers some questions about Luykas VanArnhem However, I read somewhere that his wife Sarah Paine was a Prisoner Of War.. do you know anything about that? I also have it noted that he died in Bennington Co Vermont and is buried there. But I guess that information is wrong. > The only information I have on Sarah is she was born 1742, in Hoosick, Rensselaerwick, New York, and died in 1780.(Place unknown) > > Thanks for the information on Luykas VanArnhem, it is very much appreciated. > > Did you receive my email? > > Sandra VanOrman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: j. gonigam<mailto:gonigam@gmail.com> > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > > > Dear Sandra-- > > What do you want to kow about Luykas Van Arnhem? He was the son of Isaac > (1704) Van Arnhem and Jannetje Salisbury/Van Salsbergen/various, baptised at > the Athens Lutheran Church 1738. He and brothers Isaac and Abraham were > kidnapped by Indians during a raid near Pownal, VT, in 1758, all > repatriated, apparently after the fall of Montreal. He married Sarah Paine > (although no one has found a record of it) and had a pile of children. He > was in Pownal for a while and then had his own farm somewhere between Hoosic > and Schagticoke as near as I can tell. Besides the "Green Mountain Boys" > service he was also shows in at least one Albany militia unit, as I recall. > (Luykas was the only Van Arnhem of that name at that time.) > After the war Luke and brothers Isaac and John (or John's son John) (and > sister Rachel who married Derrick Webb) all seem to have drifted north > to locations mostly in Essex County, NY, and in Isaac's case, just over > the border into Quebec. In Webb's case, at least, he migrated to secure > free land to Revolutionary veterans. > > --pete > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra VanOrman" <sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com>> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 5:46 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > > > > Hi Ethel, > > > > Thanks for the email. I found the information on Hester Fonda's birth and > death dates at Ancestry.com. > > Its not always a reliable source, but I saved the information as tentative > dates, until I could find more documentation. > > > > I've been trying to find more information on Luykas (or Luke) VanArnhem. > According to Donald A. Smith, Ph.D. he was one of five members of the > VanArnhem family who were members of the Green Mountain Boys from Pownal, > Vermont. I am descended from Lukyas VanArnhem through his son, Peter > VanOrnum. (Notice the change in spelling). > > Peter's son, Daniel VanOrnum was my third great grand father. > > > > Regards, > > Sandy VanOrman > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK @aol.com>> > > To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch- Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com>> > > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 3:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > > > > > > Sorry, resending my last message. > > > > Hi Sandra, > > > > You wrote <I have a Hester Douwse Fonda listed as a wife for Jan > Janse > > VanArnhem. She > > was born 1677 in Albany, New York and died 1 April 1708 in NY. Was she > the > > second wife of Jan? I have their marriage date as 14 Oct. 1696 in > Albany. > > Jans > > was also married to Sarah Theunis 28 June 1664.> > > > > > > > > Jan Jansz Van Aernhem, Bp: 4 June 1671, son of Jan Dirksz VanArnhem > and > > Sara > > Theunis, married Hester Fonda 14 Oct. 1696 in Albany. Albany DRCh. > [HSYB > > 1904:28] > > > > Please give a reference for the born and death dates for Hester Fonda. > > > > Ethel > > > > =============================================== > > In a message dated 3/2/2007 > sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorma n@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com>> writes: > > > > Hello! > > Thanks to all for the replies to my query about Jan Dirksz VanArnhem. > It is > > very much appreciated. > > > > I have a Hester Douwse Fonda listed as a wife for Jan Janse VanArnhem. > She > > was born 1677 in Albany, New York and died 1 April 1708 in NY. Was she > the > > second wife of Jan? I have their marriage date as 14 Oct. 1696 in > Albany. > > Jans > > was also married to Sarah Theunis 28 June 1664. > > > > Thanks Ethel, for the dates on the children of Jan Dirkzen and Sara > > Theunis. > > This is wonderful information! > > > > Regards, > > Sandra VanOrman > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers > free > > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > > http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/<http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>>. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.c <mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@ro otsweb.c> > > om> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.c om> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.c om> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pete, I corresponded with Linda Schwenn about a year ago on the VanArnhem line. She was trying to find info on the Green Mountain Boys too. If you want to discuss fits, try this: My husband and I share the same VanArnhem ancestors. Both of our fourth great grandfathers descend from Luykas VanArnhem. My husband's branch settled in Michigan, while mine settled in Iowa. Mine changed the name to VanOrNAM while his changed the surname to VanOrMAN His ancestor is Abraham VanOrman, mine is Daniel VanOrnam. Now I'm on a quest to find more information on my third great grandmother, Abigail Frisby or Frisbee. She was married to Peter VanOrnum. I believe they both died in Essex co. New York. Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: j. gonigam<mailto:gonigam@gmail.com> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda Dear Sandra-- Sorry, my error. (I only know about these people to separate them from my own Van Arnams.) Linda Schwenn pointed out that I've confused Luykas and his brother Isaac. Luykas descendants are the ones who ended up around LaColle, Quebec. Isaac's followed Ira Allen further north into Vermont around Shelburne. As a matter of fact, my confusion probably stems from the abduction of Luykas' wife to Canada during the Revolution. I don't think I've ever found an actual account of that. Perhaps Linda has. Nor have I been able to figure out the parents of Sara Paine; if you ever do I need to know since there is a Paine family that shows up (extremely) tangential to the Van Arnhems back in New Amsterdam/New York City. While I'm at it, no one knows when Jannetje Salsbury died although it is clear that Isaac(1704) Van Arnam had a wife named Elizabeth by 1754 when he begins to appear in the Albany DRC records again. There is no record of the birth of sons Isaac and Abraham in 1744 (if their tombstones, one of which no longer exists, are to be believed) so it's unclear if they are Luykas' brothers or half-brothers. Isaac(1704) and his family just give me fits I've received no offline msg. You can reach me at gonigam@gmail.com<mailto:gonigam@gmail.com> . --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra VanOrman" <sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com>> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > Hi Peter > > This answers some questions about Luykas VanArnhem However, I read somewhere that his wife Sarah Paine was a Prisoner Of War.. do you know anything about that? I also have it noted that he died in Bennington Co Vermont and is buried there. But I guess that information is wrong. > The only information I have on Sarah is she was born 1742, in Hoosick, Rensselaerwick, New York, and died in 1780.(Place unknown) > > Thanks for the information on Luykas VanArnhem, it is very much appreciated. > > Did you receive my email? > > Sandra VanOrman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: j. gonigam<mailto:gonigam@gmail.com<mailto:gonigam@gmail.com>> > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > > > Dear Sandra-- > > What do you want to kow about Luykas Van Arnhem? He was the son of Isaac > (1704) Van Arnhem and Jannetje Salisbury/Van Salsbergen/various, baptised at > the Athens Lutheran Church 1738. He and brothers Isaac and Abraham were > kidnapped by Indians during a raid near Pownal, VT, in 1758, all > repatriated, apparently after the fall of Montreal. He married Sarah Paine > (although no one has found a record of it) and had a pile of children. He > was in Pownal for a while and then had his own farm somewhere between Hoosic > and Schagticoke as near as I can tell. Besides the "Green Mountain Boys" > service he was also shows in at least one Albany militia unit, as I recall. > (Luykas was the only Van Arnhem of that name at that time.) > After the war Luke and brothers Isaac and John (or John's son John) (and > sister Rachel who married Derrick Webb) all seem to have drifted north > to locations mostly in Essex County, NY, and in Isaac's case, just over > the border into Quebec. In Webb's case, at least, he migrated to secure > free land to Revolutionary veterans. > > --pete > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra VanOrman" <sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com>>> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com>>> > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 5:46 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > > > > Hi Ethel, > > > > Thanks for the email. I found the information on Hester Fonda's birth and > death dates at Ancestry.com. > > Its not always a reliable source, but I saved the information as tentative > dates, until I could find more documentation. > > > > I've been trying to find more information on Luykas (or Luke) VanArnhem. > According to Donald A. Smith, Ph.D. he was one of five members of the > VanArnhem family who were members of the Green Mountain Boys from Pownal, > Vermont. I am descended from Lukyas VanArnhem through his son, Peter > VanOrnum. (Notice the change in spelling). > > Peter's son, Daniel VanOrnum was my third great grand father. > > > > Regards, > > Sandy VanOrman > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK> @aol.com>> > > To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch>- Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com>>> > > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 3:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > > > > > > Sorry, resending my last message. > > > > Hi Sandra, > > > > You wrote <I have a Hester Douwse Fonda listed as a wife for Jan > Janse > > VanArnhem. She > > was born 1677 in Albany, New York and died 1 April 1708 in NY. Was she > the > > second wife of Jan? I have their marriage date as 14 Oct. 1696 in > Albany. > > Jans > > was also married to Sarah Theunis 28 June 1664.> > > > > > > > > Jan Jansz Van Aernhem, Bp: 4 June 1671, son of Jan Dirksz VanArnhem > and > > Sara > > Theunis, married Hester Fonda 14 Oct. 1696 in Albany. Albany DRCh. > [HSYB > > 1904:28] > > > > Please give a reference for the born and death dates for Hester Fonda. > > > > Ethel > > > > =============================================== > > In a message dated 3/2/2007 > sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorma<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorma> n@msncom<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:n@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com>>> writes: > > > > Hello! > > Thanks to all for the replies to my query about Jan Dirksz VanArnhem. > It is > > very much appreciated. > > > > I have a Hester Douwse Fonda listed as a wife for Jan Janse VanArnhem. > She > > was born 1677 in Albany, New York and died 1 April 1708 in NY. Was she > the > > second wife of Jan? I have their marriage date as 14 Oct. 1696 in > Albany. > > Jans > > was also married to Sarah Theunis 28 June 1664. > > > > Thanks Ethel, for the dates on the children of Jan Dirkzen and Sara > > Theunis. > > This is wonderful information! > > > > Regards, > > Sandra VanOrman > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers > free > > email to everyone. 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