Thank you everone. Phyllis, nice to meet you. Yes, he's the one I meant, a desc of Gerrit Jansen van Oldenburg. I appreciate the refs to other material on the Garrisons. John, thank you very much for the family sheet on Rachel Croisson. I had not followed this family very far, and your sheet here will come in very handy as I fill in those blanks I have. So nice of you! The Rachel Croison who married David Demarest and the other two was Rachel Pieterse Cresson (Croison), an aunt of the Rachel I was looking for. My subject is Rachel Letelier, bapt Apr 11 1668, New York DRC --a daughter of Christina Pieterse Cresson (Croison) and Jean Letelier (Jan Letelier /Tuelie/Tilje). Christina and Rachel were sisters --both children of Pierre Cresson and wife, Rachel Cloese. I had a few other msgs citing two works by James W. Hook, neither of which I have seen. One was "George Michael Eller and descendants of His in America," published in 1957. In this book is said to be a transcription of the Will of John Vannoy, who died sometime before March 1700, which was witnessed by Teunis Egbertse and Thomas Carne. The John Vannoy will was not proved until 10 April 1708, at which time his widow Rachel was yet living. It has been mentioned that in the will, Teunis Egbertse was listed as a brother-in-law of John Vannoy. This relationship doesn't appear in the will abstract i found. Death date for John Vannoy comes from a survey in the Richmond Co., NY Grantee and Grantor books, dated 17 March 1700, for Rachel Vannoy widow of John Vannoy. It appears no deed follows this recording, but I hear the Richmond Co. records are incomplete. Back to the will: If Teunis Egbertse was a brother-in-law of John Vannoy, it could mean that John was married to Rachel Letellier, sister of Susanna Letellier, wife of Teunis Egberts. Devil's Advocate says these men could be brothers-in-law some other way, but their wives being sisters makes the most sense to me. Can anyone support this by some means other than the John Vannoy will, or refute it?? Other work spreading over the internet has Rachel, wife of John Vannoy, with a surname Cromwell or similar. But I'm failing to find any support for that idea, nor any hint of parents bearing this name. Can anyone back this up? Possible children of Rachel and John Vannoy, cited in "History of the Vannoy family" --by James William Hook: 1706 census of Richmond Co., SI. -- John, aged 20; Francis, aged 18; Abram, Rachel, Sarah and Catherine. Abram (Abraham) Vannoy is said to have died in Little Creek Hundred, Kent County, Delaware, unknown date. If so, he does not appear in the Delaware probate records index database in any spelling I could dream up. Things do seem to fit, but also fall into timed and places from which surviving records are incomplete. But maybe I will find more evidence in Delaware among the many who migrated there from Staten Island, whether or not there had been interim stops. If so, and probably even if not, I'll be Bach. Thanks again, Liz J