Chris, First of all, I believe that you are absolutely correct in that all of the various films that the LDS has listed for baptisms in the New York Reformed Church post 1697 are films of various transcriptions and NOT films of the actual record books. I looked into this issue a few years ago and was told at that time that the only place to see the actual record books was at the headquarters of the Reformed Church in America (in New Jersey, I think, perhaps New Brunswick?) and that they did not open up the books to just anyone (like me.) Second, I have found that by far the most reliable transcription of those records are the books published by the NYG&BS (1901), edited by Thomas Grier Evans. Further, I believe that this was the source that was used for the on-line Olive Tree version. I note that the other two sources you cite are clearly secondary sources that would have little credibility. I took the liberty to look up (in Evans) the two baptisms you asked about. Sure enough, on 28 Dec 1718 (page 409), the child's name is listed as "Joannes". The second baptism you want is NOT listed on the date you stated (23 Mar 1721). Instead, it was on 16 July 1721 (page 428), and the child's name is listed as "Jonathan." Note that I also check the corrections pages, but there were none for these years. Over the years, we have had several debates on this mail list as to whether or not the names Joannes, Johannes and John were the same or different names, with numerous examples provided to support both hypotheses. But in the case of Jonathan, the weight of the evidence always seems to support the contention that it is a different name than the others. So, lacking any additional evidence or knowledge of this family, I would expect that these were baptisms for two sons, one named Johannes and the other Jonathan. I hope this is of some help. Steve In a message dated 2/21/2007 11:59:31 A.M. Central Standard Time, cjschopfer@gmail.com writes: Hello, all: How can I view original (or credible images of original) NY RDC baptism records? In particular, I'm looking for children of Johannes Karbile/Carbile/Kerfbyl and Margrietje Provoost on 28 Dec 1718 and 23 Mar 1721. Three known transcriptions give varying combinations of these: Olive Tree Genealogy (http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/church/rdcbapt.shtml) shows the 1718 child as "Joannes" and the 1721 child as "Jonathan". Long Island Genealogy (http://longislandgenealogy.com/baptisms/baps.html) shows the 1718 child as "Johannes" (with an "h") and the 1721 child as "Jonathan". An 1895 book (Provost, Andrew J., *Biographical and Genealogical Notes of the Provost Family from 1545 to 1895. New York: unknown, 1895, 159 Pages.) *shows the 1718 child as "Joannes" and the 1721 child as "Johannes" (rather than "Jonathan"). I looked for a microfilm on the LDS website, but unless I missed it, the only film with images of baptisms ends in 1697. To my surprise, the others appear to be transcriptions. Chris <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.