Thanks, Steve, and others who replied. This was very helpful. And yes, in my query about mistranscribed names, I managed to mistranscribe the date! All three sources I quoted show the correct date, 23 Jun 1721. Chris On 2/21/07, SMabie@aol.com <SMabie@aol.com> wrote: > > > Chris, > > First of all, I believe that you are absolutely correct in that all of the > various films that the LDS has listed for baptisms in the New York > Reformed > Church post 1697 are films of various transcriptions and NOT films of the > actual > record books. I looked into this issue a few years ago and was told at > that time that the only place to see the actual record books was at the > headquarters of the Reformed Church in America (in New Jersey, I think, > perhaps New > Brunswick?) and that they did not open up the books to just anyone > (like me.) > > Second, I have found that by far the most reliable transcription of those > records are the books published by the NYG&BS (1901), edited by Thomas > Grier > Evans. Further, I believe that this was the source that was used for > the > on-line Olive Tree version. I note that the other two sources you cite > are > clearly secondary sources that would have little credibility. > > I took the liberty to look up (in Evans) the two baptisms you > asked about. > Sure enough, on 28 Dec 1718 (page 409), the child's name is listed as > "Joannes". The second baptism you want is NOT listed on the date > you stated (23 Mar > 1721). Instead, it was on 16 July 1721 (page 428), and the child's name > is > listed as "Jonathan." Note that I also check the corrections pages, but > there were none for these years. > > Over the years, we have had several debates on this mail list as to > whether > or not the names Joannes, Johannes and John were the same or different > names, > with numerous examples provided to support both hypotheses. But in the > case > of Jonathan, the weight of the evidence always seems to support the > contention that it is a different name than the others. So, lacking any > additional > evidence or knowledge of this family, I would expect that these were > baptisms > for two sons, one named Johannes and the other Jonathan. > > I hope this is of some help. > > Steve > > In a message dated 2/21/2007 11:59:31 A.M. Central Standard Time, > cjschopfer@gmail.com writes: > > Hello, all: > > How can I view original (or credible images of original) NY RDC baptism > records? In particular, I'm looking for children of Johannes > Karbile/Carbile/Kerfbyl and Margrietje Provoost on 28 Dec 1718 and 23 Mar > 1721. > > Three known transcriptions give varying combinations of these: > Olive Tree Genealogy ( > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/church/rdcbapt.shtml) > shows the 1718 child as "Joannes" and the 1721 child as "Jonathan". > Long Island Genealogy (http://longislandgenealogy.com/baptisms/baps.html) > shows the 1718 child as "Johannes" (with an "h") and the 1721 child as > "Jonathan". > An 1895 book (Provost, Andrew J., *Biographical and Genealogical Notes of > the Provost Family from 1545 to 1895. New York: unknown, 1895, 159 > Pages.) *shows > the 1718 child as "Joannes" and the 1721 child as "Johannes" (rather than > "Jonathan"). > > I looked for a microfilm on the LDS website, but unless I missed it, the > only film with images of baptisms ends in 1697. To my surprise, the > others > appear to be transcriptions. > > Chris > > > > > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >