Howard I've never seen a location in the Nederlands similar to Wolster or Welster, so do you have anything to show he might be Dutch? Do you know his religion? Is it possible that Peter Pousen was German or at least from a modern German area. There is a city near the Elbe river in present Schleswig-Holstein named Wilster that dates back to the 1200's which is a possible location you might wish to check out. Several years ago I knew two brothers who were born there and they pronounced the town name as if it were spelled "Velster" We know many early emigrants were from this area and many soldiers in the Dutch service were actually Germans. The church records I believe are still intact and date back to 1616, but they are not available through the LDS Family History Library. Hope that may be of some help. Chris Brooks Kansas City, Missouri -----Original Message----- From: hswain@ix.netcom.com To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 7:07 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Location of Wolster/Welster? Hi all, On 21 Feb. 1664 there was an order for the payment of arrears due to Peter Paulusen van der Welster, a soldier. [CDM p. 261] On 5 April 1674 "Peter Poulsen, aged 43 years, born at Wolster," was accused of assaulting people in the streets of New Orange. [CDNY 2:703] Since o and e in 17th C. handwriting looked similar, I assume that O'Callghan may have misread one of them and that this is the same guy from the same place. Furthermore, back in August 1658, Alrichs had written to Stuyvesant and mentioned the arrival of two soldiers, Evert Brantsen and Peter Paulus, at New Amstel. I believe this is the same Peter. He would be about 17 or 18 when he arrived at New Amstel. I'm guessing he came from The Netherlands. But where is Wolster or Welster? Or what should the place be? I cannot seem to find any place named that nor a place that could be misread as that. Thanks for any ideas, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com Standard Source Abbreviations: http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=96 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Or, if out of England, maybe Worcester? Assuming it was pronounced "Wooster" back then. Hard to see how an English boy might end up a WIC soldier, of course. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: <brookskcmo@aol.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Location of Wolster/Welster? > Howard > > I've never seen a location in the Nederlands similar to Wolster or Welster, so do you have anything to show he might be Dutch? Do you know his religion? Is it possible that Peter Pousen was German or at least from a modern German area. There is a city near the Elbe river in present Schleswig-Holstein named Wilster that dates back to the 1200's which is a possible location you might wish to check out. Several years ago I knew two brothers who were born there and they pronounced the town name as if it were spelled "Velster" > > We know many early emigrants were from this area and many soldiers in the Dutch service were actually Germans. The church records I believe are still intact and date back to 1616, but they are not available through the LDS Family History Library. > > Hope that may be of some help. > > Chris Brooks > Kansas City, Missouri > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hswain@ix.netcom.com > To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 7:07 PM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Location of Wolster/Welster? > > > Hi all, > > On 21 Feb. 1664 there was an order for the payment of arrears > due to Peter Paulusen van der Welster, a soldier. > [CDM p. 261] > > On 5 April 1674 "Peter Poulsen, aged 43 years, born at Wolster," > was accused of assaulting people in the streets of New Orange. > [CDNY 2:703] > > Since o and e in 17th C. handwriting looked similar, I assume that > O'Callghan may have misread one of them and that this is the same > guy from the same place. > > Furthermore, back in August 1658, Alrichs had written to Stuyvesant > and mentioned the arrival of two soldiers, Evert Brantsen and Peter Paulus, > at New Amstel. > > I believe this is the same Peter. He would be about 17 or 18 when he > arrived at New Amstel. I'm guessing he came from The Netherlands. > > But where is Wolster or Welster? Or what should the place be? > I cannot seem to find any place named that nor a place that could be > misread as that. > > Thanks for any ideas, > Howard > hswain@ix.netcom.com > Standard Source Abbreviations: > http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=96 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Thanks to all who responded. They idea of Ulster had occured to me. It was interesting that Rick actually found the spelling Wolster for Ulster in print. It also seemed to me that the "-ster" ending seemed more English than Dutch or German. So, Pete's suggesting of Worcester might be a possibility. However, maybe "-ster" is Anglo-Saxon so maybe also occurs where the Angles and Saxon's came from? Like the place Chris suggested. Although, men from the British Isles did go to The Netherlands to help them fight the Spanish, I would have thought this would have ended after the Peace of Westphalia in 1648. I don't recall any men that came directly from the British Isles to New Netherland as soldiers; so I would have expected them to go first to The Netherlands and then transfer. But because Pieter P. arrived in 1658 and seemed so young (if all these are the same guy), then that double move seems unlikely. I now remember Brian Newton; but did he come directly from England as a soldier? Anyway, my guess would have been that Pieter P. came from The Netherlands or an adjoining country. As Chris mentions, there are other men known to have come from what is now Germany as soldiers. Also, if he came from a place in Ireland or Britain, I doubt he would have had "van der Welster" appended to his name. The above is about all I can say in answer to Chris' first question. As to his religion, my hypothesis is that he is the Pieter Pauluszen who baptized two daughters in the NA RDC in 1663 and 1666; but he does not seem to have joined the church. The only lists I have of Lutherans are petitions of 1657 and 1659 asking for a Lutheran minister. But Pieter was still at New Amstel then. So, I don't know his religion. (I might also mention that Hendrick Jansen Spier who did sign the Lutheran petition also baptized his children in the NA RDC.) So, I believe the Pieter Pauluszen could well have been a German Lutheran. And Chris' suggestion of Wilster looks like the best possibility to me so far. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <brookskcmo@aol.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Location of Wolster/Welster? > Howard > > I've never seen a location in the Nederlands similar to Wolster or Welster, so do you have anything to show he might be Dutch? Do you know his religion? Is it possible that Peter Pousen was German or at least from a modern German area. There is a city near the Elbe river in present Schleswig-Holstein named Wilster that dates back to the 1200's which is a possible location you might wish to check out. Several years ago I knew two brothers who were born there and they pronounced the town name as if it were spelled "Velster" > > We know many early emigrants were from this area and many soldiers in the Dutch service were actually Germans. The church records I believe are still intact and date back to 1616, but they are not available through the LDS Family History Library. > > Hope that may be of some help. > > Chris Brooks > Kansas City, Missouri > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hswain@ix.netcom.com > To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 7:07 PM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Location of Wolster/Welster? > > > Hi all, > > On 21 Feb. 1664 there was an order for the payment of arrears > due to Peter Paulusen van der Welster, a soldier. > [CDM p. 261] > > On 5 April 1674 "Peter Poulsen, aged 43 years, born at Wolster," > was accused of assaulting people in the streets of New Orange. > [CDNY 2:703] > > Since o and e in 17th C. handwriting looked similar, I assume that > O'Callghan may have misread one of them and that this is the same > guy from the same place. > > Furthermore, back in August 1658, Alrichs had written to Stuyvesant > and mentioned the arrival of two soldiers, Evert Brantsen and Peter Paulus, > at New Amstel. > > I believe this is the same Peter. He would be about 17 or 18 when he > arrived at New Amstel. I'm guessing he came from The Netherlands. > > But where is Wolster or Welster? Or what should the place be? > I cannot seem to find any place named that nor a place that could be > misread as that. > > Thanks for any ideas, > Howard > hswain@ix.netcom.com > Standard Source Abbreviations: > http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=96