I am helping a woman with her DAR application and need some help concerning Gideon Vervalen (1742/3-1820), son of Moses and descendant of Johannes Verveleen. In secondary sources I continually see his birth date listed as 10 Feb 1742 and once I saw it as 13 Mar 1743. His obituary just says he died in his 83rd year as does his tombstone record in J. Wilson Poucher's "Old Gravestones of Dutchess Co New York"(Manchester Bridge Cemetery). Can anyone give me a citation for a date of birth? I am also looking for proof for his first wife's birth. She was Jane Low/Jenny Louw and the date of birth I have seen in secondary sources is 27 and 29 Nov 1763 and also 1765. Both of these dates are suspect because he would have been over 20 years older than her! She was the daughter of Wilhelmus Louw and Sara Marsten. Thanks so much for any help you can provide! Ann Andersen -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:33 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 2, Issue 46 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms (Edward Otte) 2. Re: Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms (John VanBuskirk) 3. Re: Charity Van Hoesen married Richard MorrisEsselstyn (John VanBuskirk) 4. Re: Charity Van Hoesen married Richard MorrisEsselstyn (chilipepper5454@aol.com) 5. Re: Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms (Elsie H. Wilson) 6. Avery, Heimbach, Yaple, Dumond Delaware Co. NY and Kingston (Elsie H. Wilson) 7. Re: Johannes Kerfbyl (Provoost/Van Alstyne/Van Borsum) (Pamela J. Sears) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:00:20 -0500 From: Edward Otte <edotte@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <0JDA00A8IUSGKCA0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Depending on the year, churches were mostly run by elders, and lay ministers. Ordained ministers revolved around a circuit of churches. This was common early on in the 17th Century and became less common as churches picked up permanent clergymen. Some of those clergymen were more meticulous than others and the birthdates were also recorded. Sometimes they were even so good as to record where the family lived. Many, for example, were baptized say in Kingston, but lived far away, say Wawarsing. So there is some measure of difficulty in figuring out many aspects of the genealogy of a family or a child of Dutch descent in New York and to some degree New Jersey. But then again if you have English ancestors from this same period often there are no written, extant, church records. Edward Otte -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Terbush Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:00 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms Availability of ordained minister who could Administer the sacrament. Not all churches had ministers full-time, thus had to wait until one became available. I have ancestors who had all their children who were born during the Revolutionary War baptized the same day after the war was over. Tom Terbush -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of l. s. Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 9:32 PM To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms Hello, I went to the online site for these baptisms for this church and while scanning, I noticed 35 baptisms dated June 20. Then I started checking and I would see batches of same date baptisms. A great deal of them were on Sept. 11. I realize these aren't the birth dates. It occurred to me that everyone with newborns, must have waited for some time to have these babies baptized. Or was that a custom of the church to do all new births at one time? It is just something that has got me curious. Does anyone know why this is? Leemae from Mi.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:58:41 -0500 From: "John VanBuskirk" <jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002a01c74ded$1e77bce0$3360ca45@vanbuskirk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" HI I had good luck with the NY G&B Record magazine, many of the church records were published serially You may have to go back to issues published in 1930s etc. My families were located in the Dutch churches in Coxsackie, Catskill. Kinderhook, Claverack, and Kingston, too as well as Zion Lutheran ?Church at Athens. I found the series in the library at Syracuse, I assume other libraries would too. I was doing the search in the 1950s and some of the lists were current in those issues. good luck.JOHN C VAN BUSKIRK http://www.geocities.com/vanbus1/ jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Otte" <edotte@optonline.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms > Depending on the year, churches were mostly run by elders, and lay > ministers. Ordained ministers revolved around a circuit of churches. This > was common early on in the 17th Century and became less common as churches > picked up permanent clergymen. Some of those clergymen were more meticulous > than others and the birthdates were also recorded. Sometimes they were even > so good as to record where the family lived. Many, for example, were > baptized say in Kingston, but lived far away, say Wawarsing. > > So there is some measure of difficulty in figuring out many aspects of the > genealogy of a family or a child of Dutch descent in New York and to some > degree New Jersey. But then again if you have English ancestors from this > same period often there are no written, extant, church records. > > Edward Otte > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Terbush > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:00 PM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms > > Availability of ordained minister who could Administer the sacrament. Not > all churches had ministers full-time, thus had to wait until one became > available. > I have ancestors who had all their children who were born during the > Revolutionary War baptized the same day after the war was over. > > Tom Terbush > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of l. s. > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 9:32 PM > To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms > > Hello, > I went to the online site for these baptisms for this church and while > scanning, I noticed 35 baptisms dated June 20. Then I started checking and I > would see batches of same date baptisms. A great deal of them were on Sept. > 11. I realize these aren't the birth dates. It occurred to me that everyone > with newborns, must have waited for some time to have these babies baptized. > Or was that a custom of the church to do all new births at one time? It is > just something that has got me curious. > Does anyone know why this is? > Leemae from Mi.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:06:42 -0500 From: "John VanBuskirk" <jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Charity Van Hoesen married Richard MorrisEsselstyn To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <005901c74dee$3d9d6970$3360ca45@vanbuskirk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi I did locate this KMaria Van Alstine. her line : Martin; Jan Martinse; Lambert; Thomas; William; Maria m Major Richard Esselstein. This from a world family tree cd rom#9 family 3615 if you need more details I can try for a genealogy report . - by attachment, so it has to be offlist. let me know if interested JOHN C VAN BUSKIRK http://www.geocities.com/vanbus1/ jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <chilipepper5454@aol.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Charity Van Hoesen married Richard MorrisEsselstyn > > In a message dated 2/10/2007 3:32:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > pspro1123@aol.com writes: > > Who are Richard's parents ?? > > > > His parents were; > > Name: Richard ESSELSTYN Given Name: Richard Surname: Esselstyn Sex: M > Birth: 2 Sep 1731 Death: 30 Oct 1783 > > and > > Name: Maria VAN ALSTINE Given Name: Maria Surname: Van Alstine Sex: F > Birth: 11 Jan 1744 > > Jean > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:32:15 EST From: chilipepper5454@aol.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Charity Van Hoesen married Richard MorrisEsselstyn To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <cb1.ac21336.33009f0f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 2/11/2007 10:08:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com writes: Hi I did locate this KMaria Van Alstine. her line : Martin; Jan Martinse; Lambert; Thomas; William; Maria m Major Richard Esselstein. This from a world family tree cd rom#9 family 3615 if you need more details I can try for a genealogy report . - by attachment, so it has to be offlist. let me know if interested JOHN C VAN BUSKIRK http://www.geocities.com/vanbus1/ jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com John, yes I would like to have the genealogy report. Thank you!! Jean Peppers ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:00:06 -0600 From: "Elsie H. Wilson" <ehwilson@charter.net> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20070211104609.016983f8@mail.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Just prior to the Rev. War and after, my Kingston families (Heimbach, Yaple, Dumond, Van Wagenen) were in the back country of what is now Delaware Co. NY, at Pakatakatan (present-day Margaretville and New Kingston). During the war, they were refugees back down in Kingston. But returned to Pakatakatan after the war. But, they considered their home church that of Kingston. They would have their children baptized "when they could" and marriages blessed "when they could." They just could not drop everything and bring a new baby the long trip over the mountains to get baptized as soon as it was born. Sometimes the marriages were performed at Kingston and sometimes by a traveling minister. By 1789, a group of these families moved to where Ithaca, NY is now as the first four families to settle that area. Peter Heimbach and his wife, Catherine Dumond, Catherine's brother, Peter's Yaple half-brothers were among those families. One brother made the long journey back to Kingston to marry is intended and they journeyed back to Ithaca. These families were very religious, but they had to do as best they could to carry out the ceremonies of the church. Thus, there are spotty records from many families that started moving into the back country at that time. Elsie Wilson Elsie H. Wilson 5620 Harris Cir. Fitchburg, WI 53575 (608) 835-6791 ehwilson@charter.net ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:17:19 -0600 From: "Elsie H. Wilson" <ehwilson@charter.net> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Avery, Heimbach, Yaple, Dumond Delaware Co. NY and Kingston To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20070211131546.016be898@mail.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The Averys and the Heimbachs and Yaples and Dumonds (DuMont/DuMond etc.)seem to be closely tied for several generations. Here is the Heimbach and Yaple family short course: Please contact me off list to get fuller version. :-) Matthias Heimbach and two bothers, Peter and Adam came to America from the region of Germany near present day Baumholder. Their family village is Heimbach Am Nehe a couple miles from Baumholder. Their names were really: Johannes Peter, Johannes Adam and Johannes Matthias, and they were sons of Johnnes Heimbach/Hymbach and Maria Englelin of Heimbach Am Nehe and Illgesheim villages. Illgesheim is no longer in existance. It is under the present day Baumholder air base. Matthias Heimbach settled in Lehigh Co. PA. There he married Susanna Vasqueau /Wiscoe/Wisko. She came to the area from Alsace with her brother Franz and was joined by their father Philip. Susanna and Matthias had four children and Matthias seems to have been a farmer and blacksmith. He died suddenly and left her with the small children to raise. A neighbor, Henry/Philip Henry Jebel's wife had just died leaving with small children. They married. They moved to NY before the Rev. War, as Pakatakatan (spelled every-which-way) was being settled in NY, present Delaware Co. area. The first families: Dumonds, Van Wagenens, Hendriks, were joined by the Jebels/Yaples plus Susannas' son, Peter Heimbach. There he met Catherine Dumond and married her. A Yaple son married into the Avery family, Peter Avery and Mary Yaple, specifically. Later when the families made the move to Ithaca area and then some on to Erie Co. PA, Averys went too. Peter Heimbach and Catherine Dumond's daughter Sally/Sellie Heimbach married Benjamin Avery. So you find a trail of Heimbachs/Himpaws, Kinpaws (every spelling possible!!!), Yaples, Dumonds, Averys along the way from Kingston to Delaware Co. NY to Ithaca/Danby NY to Erie Co. PA. I would like to find out more about your Averys. Susanna Vesqueau Heimbach Yaple was supposed to have lived with Mary and Pieter Avery until her death. They are buried together in a cemetery near Margaretville, (near where Peter and Mary lived,but I'm not certain which one. Peter and Mary were supposed to have requested that the graves not have stones! (All that old graven-image stuff.) Please contact me and we'll talk more. Also, I'd love to hear from other people from these families I've mentioned or who have Delaware Co. NY lines. I'm working on a book about the Heimbach family with Jane Daily. We want to include as much as we can. Elsie Elsie H. Wilson 5620 Harris Cir. Fitchburg, WI 53575 (608) 835-6791 ehwilson@charter.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:39:20 -0500 From: "Pamela J. Sears" <pjsears@stratos.net> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Johannes Kerfbyl (Provoost/Van Alstyne/Van Borsum) To: "Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com" <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <45CF7EF8.7030506@stratos.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi Chris, You wrote: > Hello, all: > > Does anyone know of an adult record of Johannes Kerfbyl b-1718? He was the > son of Johannes Kerfbyl and Margrietje Provoost; ward of Catharina Kerfbyl > Van Alstyne; and possibly later the ward of Egbert Van Borsum. He was also > the grandson of Dr. Johannes Kerfbyl of NYC? > > Dr. Kerfbyl, a graduate of Leyden University, was in NY by 23 Apr 1681, when > he witnessed a baptism. He performed the high-profile autopsy of NY Governor > Henry Slaughter, who died suspiciously in Jul 1691. Kerfbyl was a founding > elder of Trinity Church, and died about 1704. > > The doctor's son, Johannes Kerfbyl ("Jr.") married Margrietje Provoost > (recorded at the NY RDC on 23 Jan 1704). He was a merchant, lived on the > north corner of Broad Street and Mill Street, and was active in Trinity Chu > rch. He died in 1728 (a will abstract is at > http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/1999-11/0942523887). He > baptized three sons at the NY RDC, but the only one mentioned in the will > was Johannes, (probably baptized 28 Dec 1718; a Johannes b-1712 presumably > dy). > > Johannes ("III") was directed to the custody of Catharina Kerfbyl Van > Alstyne (his sister) and Egbert Van Borsum (whose relationship I don't > know). Catharina likely died between 1729 (when she baptized a son) and 1735 > (when her husband, Matthew Van Alstyne, a merchant in NY, remarried). I > think Egbert Borsum was the husband of Elizabeth Benson, but find nothing > about him that indicates what happened to Johannes Kerfbyl. > > I have never seen an original record with the name Kerfbyl, so I can't say > for sure that the "f" wasn't really an old-style "s", etc. Some church > records show the name as Kerfbyle and Karbile. > > Any thoughts on the life or death of Johannes Kerfbyl "III" would be > appreciated! > > Chris Interesting to note that the English version of the marriage license granted by Lord Cornbury for Johannes Kerfbyl and Margaret Provoost bears the date of 18 Jan 1703, as per Abstracts of Wills Vol I 1665-1707 Liber 7, page 386. The published records of the New York Reformed Dutch Church [page 101] indicates the license was dated 18 Jan 1704, and they married on 23 Jan 1704. Johanes Kerfbyl, medicine doctor, and his wife Catharina Rugh made a joint will bearing the date of 1 Feb 1688; which was proved before Lord Cornbury on 4 Nov 1704, when Letters of Administration were granted to the widow Catharine Kerfbyl [see Abstracts of Wills Vol I 1665-1707 , Liber 7, Page 400]. Oddly enough, at the time, no mention was made of the son Johannes, although he must have been with them at the time. I have not found any further evidence of Johannes^3 Kerfbyl. Egbert Van Borsum (the husband of Elizabeth Bensen), and guardian of said Johannes Kerfbyl, made no mention of him in his will dated 12 Aug 1736; proved 26 Oct 1737 [See Abstracts of Wills Vol III 1730-1744, Liber 13, page 228]. Technically, there was no blood relationship between Egbert Van Borsum and Johannes^3 Kerfbyl, although Elizabeth Bensen's brother Mattheus Bensen had married Catharina Provoost, the sister of Margriet Provoost, who was the wife of Johannes^2 Kerfbyl. In the 'for what its worth' category, the name Kerfbyl was indexed and transcribed by the Amsterdam Municipal Archives (from the doopregister) primarily as "Kerfbijl." Johannes^2 Kerfbyl had 2 siblings baptized in Amsterdam: Cornelis, baptized 9 Sep 1665 at the Zuider kerk [DTB 95/191]; and, Catharina, baptized 9 Dec 1667 at the Nieuwe Zijds Kapel [DTB 66/108], but neither appear to have survived infancy. Regards, Pam Sears ------------------------------ To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Can anyone give me a citation for a date of birth? (of Gideon Vervalen) The record of the baptism of Gideon Vervalen appears in the records of the Poughkeepsie Reformed Dutch Church 2.13.1743 Moses Van Feele Hester de Graff Gideon Sp: Gideon Van Feele, Susana de Graaf (Sponsors were the paternal grandparents) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Andersen" <afandersen@hotmail.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 2, Issue 46 >I am helping a woman with her DAR application and need some help concerning > Gideon Vervalen (1742/3-1820), son of Moses and descendant of Johannes > Verveleen. In secondary sources I continually see his birth date listed as > 10 Feb 1742 and once I saw it as 13 Mar 1743. His obituary just says he > died > in his 83rd year as does his tombstone record in J. Wilson Poucher's "Old > Gravestones of Dutchess Co New York"(Manchester Bridge Cemetery). Can > anyone > give me a citation for a date of birth? > > I am also looking for proof for his first wife's birth. She was Jane > Low/Jenny Louw and the date of birth I have seen in secondary sources is > 27 > and 29 Nov 1763 and also 1765. Both of these dates are suspect because he > would have been over 20 years older than her! She was the daughter of > Wilhelmus Louw and Sara Marsten. > > Thanks so much for any help you can provide! > Ann Andersen > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:33 PM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 2, Issue 46 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms (Edward Otte) > 2. Re: Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms (John VanBuskirk) > 3. Re: Charity Van Hoesen married Richard MorrisEsselstyn > (John VanBuskirk) > 4. Re: Charity Van Hoesen married Richard MorrisEsselstyn > (chilipepper5454@aol.com) > 5. Re: Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms (Elsie H. Wilson) > 6. Avery, Heimbach, Yaple, Dumond Delaware Co. NY and Kingston > (Elsie H. Wilson) > 7. Re: Johannes Kerfbyl (Provoost/Van Alstyne/Van Borsum) > (Pamela J. Sears) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:00:20 -0500 > From: Edward Otte <edotte@optonline.net> > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <0JDA00A8IUSGKCA0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Depending on the year, churches were mostly run by elders, and lay > ministers. Ordained ministers revolved around a circuit of churches. This > was common early on in the 17th Century and became less common as churches > picked up permanent clergymen. Some of those clergymen were more > meticulous > than others and the birthdates were also recorded. Sometimes they were > even > so good as to record where the family lived. Many, for example, were > baptized say in Kingston, but lived far away, say Wawarsing. > > So there is some measure of difficulty in figuring out many aspects of the > genealogy of a family or a child of Dutch descent in New York and to some > degree New Jersey. But then again if you have English ancestors from this > same period often there are no written, extant, church records. > > Edward Otte > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Terbush > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:00 PM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms > > Availability of ordained minister who could Administer the sacrament. Not > all churches had ministers full-time, thus had to wait until one became > available. > I have ancestors who had all their children who were born during the > Revolutionary War baptized the same day after the war was over. > > Tom Terbush > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of l. s. > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 9:32 PM > To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms > > Hello, > I went to the online site for these baptisms for this church and while > scanning, I noticed 35 baptisms dated June 20. Then I started checking and > I > would see batches of same date baptisms. A great deal of them were on > Sept. > 11. I realize these aren't the birth dates. It occurred to me that > everyone > with newborns, must have waited for some time to have these babies > baptized. > Or was that a custom of the church to do all new births at one time? It is > just something that has got me curious. > Does anyone know why this is? > Leemae from Mi.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:58:41 -0500 > From: "John VanBuskirk" <jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002a01c74ded$1e77bce0$3360ca45@vanbuskirk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > HI I had good luck with the NY G&B Record magazine, many of the church > records were published serially You may have to go back to issues > published > in 1930s etc. My families were located in the Dutch churches in > Coxsackie, > Catskill. Kinderhook, Claverack, and Kingston, too as well as Zion > Lutheran > ?Church at Athens. I found the series in the library at Syracuse, I > assume > other libraries would too. I was doing the search in the 1950s and some > of > the lists were current in those issues. good luck.JOHN C VAN BUSKIRK > http://www.geocities.com/vanbus1/ > jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edward Otte" <edotte@optonline.net> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:00 AM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms > > >> Depending on the year, churches were mostly run by elders, and lay >> ministers. Ordained ministers revolved around a circuit of churches. This >> was common early on in the 17th Century and became less common as >> churches >> picked up permanent clergymen. Some of those clergymen were more > meticulous >> than others and the birthdates were also recorded. Sometimes they were > even >> so good as to record where the family lived. Many, for example, were >> baptized say in Kingston, but lived far away, say Wawarsing. >> >> So there is some measure of difficulty in figuring out many aspects of >> the >> genealogy of a family or a child of Dutch descent in New York and to some >> degree New Jersey. But then again if you have English ancestors from this >> same period often there are no written, extant, church records. >> >> Edward Otte >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Terbush >> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:00 PM >> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms >> >> Availability of ordained minister who could Administer the sacrament. >> Not >> all churches had ministers full-time, thus had to wait until one became >> available. >> I have ancestors who had all their children who were born during the >> Revolutionary War baptized the same day after the war was over. >> >> Tom Terbush >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of l. s. >> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 9:32 PM >> To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms >> >> Hello, >> I went to the online site for these baptisms for this church and while >> scanning, I noticed 35 baptisms dated June 20. Then I started checking >> and > I >> would see batches of same date baptisms. A great deal of them were on > Sept. >> 11. I realize these aren't the birth dates. It occurred to me that > everyone >> with newborns, must have waited for some time to have these babies > baptized. >> Or was that a custom of the church to do all new births at one time? It >> is >> just something that has got me curious. >> Does anyone know why this is? >> Leemae from Mi.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >> http://explorer.msn.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:06:42 -0500 > From: "John VanBuskirk" <jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Charity Van Hoesen married Richard > MorrisEsselstyn > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <005901c74dee$3d9d6970$3360ca45@vanbuskirk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi I did locate this KMaria Van Alstine. > her line : Martin; Jan Martinse; Lambert; Thomas; William; Maria m Major > Richard Esselstein. This from a world family tree cd rom#9 family 3615 > if you need more details I can try for a genealogy report . - by > attachment, so it has to be offlist. let me know if interested > JOHN C VAN BUSKIRK > http://www.geocities.com/vanbus1/ > jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <chilipepper5454@aol.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:27 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Charity Van Hoesen married Richard > MorrisEsselstyn > > >> >> In a message dated 2/10/2007 3:32:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> pspro1123@aol.com writes: >> >> Who are Richard's parents ?? >> >> >> >> His parents were; >> >> Name: Richard ESSELSTYN Given Name: Richard Surname: Esselstyn Sex: M >> Birth: 2 Sep 1731 Death: 30 Oct 1783 >> >> and >> >> Name: Maria VAN ALSTINE Given Name: Maria Surname: Van Alstine Sex: F >> Birth: 11 Jan 1744 >> >> Jean >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:32:15 EST > From: chilipepper5454@aol.com > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Charity Van Hoesen married Richard > MorrisEsselstyn > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <cb1.ac21336.33009f0f@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 2/11/2007 10:08:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com writes: > > Hi I did locate this KMaria Van Alstine. > her line : Martin; Jan Martinse; Lambert; Thomas; William; Maria m > Major > Richard Esselstein. This from a world family tree cd rom#9 family > 3615 > if you need more details I can try for a genealogy report . - by > attachment, so it has to be offlist. let me know if interested > JOHN C VAN BUSKIRK > http://www.geocities.com/vanbus1/ > jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com > > > > John, yes I would like to have the genealogy report. > Thank you!! > Jean Peppers > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:00:06 -0600 > From: "Elsie H. Wilson" <ehwilson@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20070211104609.016983f8@mail.charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Just prior to the Rev. War and after, my Kingston families (Heimbach, > Yaple, Dumond, Van Wagenen) were in the back country of what is now > Delaware Co. NY, at Pakatakatan (present-day Margaretville and New > Kingston). During the war, they were refugees back down in Kingston. But > returned to Pakatakatan after the war. > But, they considered their home church that of Kingston. They would have > their children baptized "when they could" and marriages blessed "when they > could." They just could not drop everything and bring a new baby the long > trip over the mountains to get baptized as soon as it was born. > Sometimes the marriages were performed at Kingston and sometimes by a > traveling minister. > By 1789, a group of these families moved to where Ithaca, NY is now as the > first four families to settle that area. Peter Heimbach and his wife, > Catherine Dumond, Catherine's brother, Peter's Yaple half-brothers were > among those families. One brother made the long journey back to Kingston > to > marry is intended and they journeyed back to Ithaca. These families were > very religious, but they had to do as best they could to carry out the > ceremonies of the church. > Thus, there are spotty records from many families that started moving into > the back country at that time. > Elsie Wilson > Elsie H. Wilson > 5620 Harris Cir. > Fitchburg, WI 53575 > (608) 835-6791 > ehwilson@charter.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:17:19 -0600 > From: "Elsie H. Wilson" <ehwilson@charter.net> > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Avery, Heimbach, Yaple, Dumond Delaware Co. > NY and Kingston > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20070211131546.016be898@mail.charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > The Averys and the Heimbachs and Yaples and Dumonds (DuMont/DuMond > etc.)seem to be closely tied for several generations. > Here is the Heimbach and Yaple family short course: Please contact me off > list to get fuller version. :-) > Matthias Heimbach and two bothers, Peter and Adam came to America from the > region of Germany near present day Baumholder. > Their family village is Heimbach Am Nehe a couple miles from Baumholder. > Their names were really: Johannes Peter, Johannes Adam and Johannes > Matthias, and they were sons of Johnnes Heimbach/Hymbach and Maria > Englelin > of Heimbach Am Nehe and Illgesheim villages. Illgesheim is no longer in > existance. It is under the present day Baumholder air base. > Matthias Heimbach settled in Lehigh Co. PA. There he married Susanna > Vasqueau /Wiscoe/Wisko. She came to the area from Alsace with her brother > Franz and was joined by their father Philip. > Susanna and Matthias had four children and Matthias seems to have been a > farmer and blacksmith. He died suddenly and left her with the small > children to raise. A neighbor, Henry/Philip Henry Jebel's wife had just > died leaving with small children. They married. They moved to NY before > the > Rev. War, as Pakatakatan (spelled every-which-way) was being settled in > NY, > present Delaware Co. area. The first families: Dumonds, Van Wagenens, > Hendriks, were joined by the Jebels/Yaples plus Susannas' son, Peter > Heimbach. There he met Catherine Dumond and married her. A Yaple son > married into the Avery family, Peter Avery and Mary Yaple, specifically. > Later when the families made the move to Ithaca area and then some on to > Erie Co. PA, Averys went too. Peter Heimbach and Catherine Dumond's > daughter Sally/Sellie Heimbach married Benjamin Avery. So you find a trail > of Heimbachs/Himpaws, Kinpaws (every spelling possible!!!), Yaples, > Dumonds, Averys along the way from Kingston to Delaware Co. NY to > Ithaca/Danby NY to Erie Co. PA. > I would like to find out more about your Averys. Susanna Vesqueau Heimbach > Yaple was supposed to have lived with Mary and Pieter Avery until her > death. They are buried together in a cemetery near Margaretville, (near > where Peter and Mary lived,but I'm not certain which one. Peter and Mary > were supposed to have requested that the graves not have stones! (All that > old graven-image stuff.) > Please contact me and we'll talk more. > Also, I'd love to hear from other people from these families I've > mentioned > or who have Delaware Co. NY lines. > I'm working on a book about the Heimbach family with Jane Daily. We want > to > include as much as we can. > Elsie > Elsie H. Wilson > 5620 Harris Cir. > Fitchburg, WI 53575 > (608) 835-6791 > ehwilson@charter.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:39:20 -0500 > From: "Pamela J. Sears" <pjsears@stratos.net> > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Johannes Kerfbyl (Provoost/Van > Alstyne/Van Borsum) > To: "Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com" <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <45CF7EF8.7030506@stratos.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Hi Chris, > > You wrote: > >> Hello, all: >> >> Does anyone know of an adult record of Johannes Kerfbyl b-1718? He was >> the >> son of Johannes Kerfbyl and Margrietje Provoost; ward of Catharina >> Kerfbyl >> Van Alstyne; and possibly later the ward of Egbert Van Borsum. He was >> also >> the grandson of Dr. Johannes Kerfbyl of NYC? >> >> Dr. Kerfbyl, a graduate of Leyden University, was in NY by 23 Apr 1681, > when >> he witnessed a baptism. He performed the high-profile autopsy of NY > Governor >> Henry Slaughter, who died suspiciously in Jul 1691. Kerfbyl was a >> founding >> elder of Trinity Church, and died about 1704. >> >> The doctor's son, Johannes Kerfbyl ("Jr.") married Margrietje Provoost >> (recorded at the NY RDC on 23 Jan 1704). He was a merchant, lived on the >> north corner of Broad Street and Mill Street, and was active in Trinity > Chu >> rch. He died in 1728 (a will abstract is at >> http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/1999-11/0942523887). > He >> baptized three sons at the NY RDC, but the only one mentioned in the will >> was Johannes, (probably baptized 28 Dec 1718; a Johannes b-1712 >> presumably >> dy). >> >> Johannes ("III") was directed to the custody of Catharina Kerfbyl Van >> Alstyne (his sister) and Egbert Van Borsum (whose relationship I don't >> know). Catharina likely died between 1729 (when she baptized a son) and > 1735 >> (when her husband, Matthew Van Alstyne, a merchant in NY, remarried). I >> think Egbert Borsum was the husband of Elizabeth Benson, but find nothing >> about him that indicates what happened to Johannes Kerfbyl. >> >> I have never seen an original record with the name Kerfbyl, so I can't >> say >> for sure that the "f" wasn't really an old-style "s", etc. Some church >> records show the name as Kerfbyle and Karbile. >> >> Any thoughts on the life or death of Johannes Kerfbyl "III" would be >> appreciated! >> >> Chris > > Interesting to note that the English version of the marriage license > granted by Lord Cornbury for Johannes Kerfbyl and Margaret Provoost > bears the date of 18 Jan 1703, as per Abstracts of Wills Vol I 1665-1707 > Liber 7, page 386. The published records of the New York Reformed Dutch > Church [page 101] indicates the license was dated 18 Jan 1704, and they > married on 23 Jan 1704. > > Johanes Kerfbyl, medicine doctor, and his wife Catharina Rugh made a > joint will bearing the date of 1 Feb 1688; which was proved before Lord > Cornbury on 4 Nov 1704, when Letters of Administration were granted to > the widow Catharine Kerfbyl [see Abstracts of Wills Vol I 1665-1707 , > Liber 7, Page 400]. Oddly enough, at the time, no mention was made of > the son Johannes, although he must have been with them at the time. > > > I have not found any further evidence of Johannes^3 Kerfbyl. Egbert Van > Borsum (the husband of Elizabeth Bensen), and guardian of said Johannes > Kerfbyl, made no mention of him in his will dated 12 Aug 1736; proved 26 > Oct 1737 [See Abstracts of Wills Vol III 1730-1744, Liber 13, page 228]. > > Technically, there was no blood relationship between Egbert Van Borsum > and Johannes^3 Kerfbyl, although Elizabeth Bensen's brother Mattheus > Bensen had married Catharina Provoost, the sister of Margriet Provoost, > who was the wife of Johannes^2 Kerfbyl. > > In the 'for what its worth' category, the name Kerfbyl was indexed and > transcribed by the Amsterdam Municipal Archives (from the doopregister) > primarily as "Kerfbijl." > > Johannes^2 Kerfbyl had 2 siblings baptized in Amsterdam: Cornelis, > baptized 9 Sep 1665 at the Zuider kerk [DTB 95/191]; and, Catharina, > baptized 9 Dec 1667 at the Nieuwe Zijds Kapel [DTB 66/108], but neither > appear to have survived infancy. > > > Regards, > Pam Sears > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 2, Issue 46 > ********************************************* > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >