Thank you, Howard for your wonderful explanation. It is what I believed, but had no time to look up. The question interested me because of the Darmstadt connection. I think I have ancestors from there (although I can't find them off hand), and was wondering how you obtained the records from the Darmstadt church. Barbara Howard Swain <hswain@ix.netcom.com> wrote: Hi Ethel, From: Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Wanamaker - Rev Kocherthal records > Adam Wanamaker (Jr). son of Adam Wanamaker (Sr) and Dorothea, married Anna > Margaretta and they had six children born in Leeheim, Darmstadt, Germany. I > am trying to find the about date when they emigrated to New York and if they > were part of the 1708 Palatine migration. > > Their eldest son Dietrich, bp 4 Oct 1682 in Leeheim, and Anna Margaret Luz, > were supposedly married January 1709 by the Rev. J. Kocherthal. I have > the West Camp Lutheran Church, NY records by Rev. Kocherthal and the marriage > is not recorded in the records. Their first child Michael bp 27 Aug 1710 > is entered on page 17. > > If they were married January 1709, would they be included in the first > migration in 1708. Is there a list of the 1708 Palatines. > > Ethel > > Source: The Book of Names Especially Relating to the Early Palatines and the > First Settlers in the Mohawk Valley. Compiled and Arranged by Lou D MacWethy > Gen Pub Co 1969 Among the many records are the Rev Joshua Kocherthal > records. [A good book if you have Palatine ancestors.] The 1708 list is pretty short and the Wanamakers are not on it. See CDNY vol 4, pp 52-53. Your best source for Palatines to New York would be Henry Z. Jones' three books. In particular his book, Even More Palatine FAmilies, vol. 3 has the best version of the Hunter subsistence lists of 1710 to 1713. This site has has, I believe, used those lists to reconstruct some passenger lists. http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/ny/index.html Your "Johann Dietrich Wannemacher, 27, and Anna Margaretha (Lüz)" are shown on the Fifth list. Apparently they are first listed on the 1 July 1710 subsistence list. So, they probably arrived a little bit before that (you'd have to check when the next earlier payment was). Kocherthal's records from the Book of Names are online here: http://threerivershms.com/nameskocherthal.htm I don't see the marriage you mention. And the date seems impossible based on the subsistence lists. So, what was your source of "supposedly married January 1709 by the Rev. J. Kocherthal"? Something else in MacWethy's book? Beware, people can make mistakes re. dates. Perhaps your Jan 1709 should be Jan 1709/10. However, as they apparently were part of the large 1710 migration, be aware that those people got on board ship in London in Dec of 1709 and sat on board until they finally left Plymouth on 10 April 1710. Another good book on the Palatine migration is: Early Eighteenth Century Palatine Emigration by Walter Allen Knittle. According to him (see pp 43-46), although Rev. K. returned to London in 1709, he did not lead nor was part of the 1710 migration. Indeed, looking at his records here: http://threerivershms.com/nameskocherthal.htm it does not appear he could have been on one of those ships. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/

Hi Barbara, From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Wanamaker - Rev Kocherthal records >>Thank you, Howard for your wonderful explanation. It is what I believed, but had no time to look up. The question interested me because of the Darmstadt connection. I think I have ancestors from there (although I can't find them off hand), and was wondering how you obtained the records from the Darmstadt church.<< Barbara It was Ethel who mentioned the Darmstadt records. I haven't looked for those records, although I have gotten film from the LDS for a few other German churches' records. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com Howard Swain <hswain@ix.netcom.com> wrote: Hi Ethel, From: <ETHELKK@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Wanamaker - Rev Kocherthal records > Adam Wanamaker (Jr). son of Adam Wanamaker (Sr) and Dorothea, married Anna > Margaretta and they had six children born in Leeheim, Darmstadt, Germany. I > am trying to find the about date when they emigrated to New York and if they > were part of the 1708 Palatine migration. > > Their eldest son Dietrich, bp 4 Oct 1682 in Leeheim, and Anna Margaret Luz,