Has anybody read this: ...Prudence,.., would have prompted Kieft to pass over, in the present excited state of feeling among the Indians, these petty aggressions,... Secretary van Tienhoven was dispatched with an armed force of fifty soldiers and twenty sailors, under the command of Hendrick Gerritsen,... Arrived on the ground, Van Tienhoven lost all control over his followers, who demanded permission to slaughter and plunder the Indians at once. The secretary, irritated at this insubordination, quitted the party, warning them that they should have to answer for whatever mischief might result from their disobedience. But all his monitions were disregarded.... (O'Callaghan's account of this incident runs counter to the story that Van Tienhoven instigated the massacre and then left the scene, absolving himself of responsibility). ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I haven't read anything about Kieft passing over anything but I'm in the process of rewriting and adding all of the new material that I've found in the past year. There is a lot about that incident and i'm not so sure that Kieft is any less the scoundrel than van Tienhoven. I'll check all of my new info as I rewrite and add today and tomorrow and send opinion and references if you would like. ECC123@aol.com wrote: Has anybody read this: ...Prudence,.., would have prompted Kieft to pass over, in the present excited state of feeling among the Indians, these petty aggressions,... Secretary van Tienhoven was dispatched with an armed force of fifty soldiers and twenty sailors, under the command of Hendrick Gerritsen,... Arrived on the ground, Van Tienhoven lost all control over his followers, who demanded permission to slaughter and plunder the Indians at once. The secretary, irritated at this insubordination, quitted the party, warning them that they should have to answer for whatever mischief might result from their disobedience. But all his monitions were disregarded.... (O'Callaghan's account of this incident runs counter to the story that Van Tienhoven instigated the massacre and then left the scene, absolving himself of responsibility). ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message