right family, wrong person. Do read the article about Cornelius Van Tienhoven, her son in law. He's the one who started the war with Indians. The article is at fulkerson.org site. David Samuelsen, 11th and 12th ggson of Adrienne through her 2 daughters Christine and Rachel. ETHELKK@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/3/2007 elizajohn@sbcglobal.net writes: > <Hi Ethel, As another of Ariaentje Cuvilje 10th gr. granddaughters, this > story struck me just as it did you. I have a reference for this and believe it > is possibly the source of Seversmith's information: O'Callaghan's HIstory > of New Netherlands, Vol. I, p.269 O'Callaghan wrote "Tradition says that > Guleyn Vigne's wife, Ariaentje Cuvilje... and then gives the story as told by > Seversmith. > Hope this helps... > Elizabeth > > > > Hi Elizabeth, > I tried tracking down the source of this story and found no proof. > Seversmith's proof “and it has been said” and Fulkerson added sick humor to the > story by calling it SOCCER. O'Callaghan begins with "Tradition says ..." > I will add this to my comments. Thanks Elizabeth. Maybe someone will find a > fourth reference for this 'story'. > > Seversmith wrote a family story beginning “and it has been said” without > documentation or proof. “However, high feeling existed between the Dutch > and the Indians; and it has been said of Adrienne Cuvellier that when one of > her sons-in-law returned from the massacre of the Pavonia Indians in February > 1643, with thirty prisoners and also heads of several of the defunct enemy, > she, "forgetful of those finer feelings that do honor to her sex, amused > herself in kicking about the heads of the dead men which had been brought in as > bloody trophies of the midnight slaughter". This unproven story by Seversmith > was repeated with embellishments in The Vigne Family by Fulkerson [on line] > under the heading SOCCER. “During that bloody 1643 war with the Indians, a > group of soldiers paraded through New Amsterdam's streets after an attack on a > Canarsie village. The soldiers had beheaded some of the fallen Indians and > carried the heads on long poles. As they paraded past Ariantje, one of the heads > fell and landed at her feet. With a burst of enthusiasm she gave it her best > kick and off it flew, to the dismay of many in the crowd who blamed her > family for the war and also looked down upon her savage behavior.” O'Callaghan > wrote "Tradition says that Guleyn Vigne's wife, Ariaentje Cuvilje... and then > gives the story as told by Seversmith. > > *Ariaentje Cuvilje (Adrienne Cuvellier), Matriarch of New Amsterdam” > by Herbert F. Seversmith, National Genealogical Society Quarterly 1947 > [V.35:65-69] > *Vigne Family _http://www.fulkerson.org/1-vigne.html_ > (http://www.fulkerson.org/1-vigne.html) > *O'Callaghan's HIstory of New Netherlands, Vol. I, p.269 > > Regards, > Ethel Kay Konight > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You said "right family, wrong person." and do read Do read the article about Cornelius Van Tienhoven, her son in law. He's the one who started the war with Indians. The article is at fulkerson.org site. I've read the Fulkerson information and know about Cornelius van Tienhoven. Yes, he started the war with the Indians but what does that have to do with the heading SOCCER and the statements there about Ariaentje Cuvilje? We're talking about the Seversmith article from which The Volkertszen site writer apparently got his material. Why is this the right family, wrong person? Can you explain your train of thought here? Elizabeth === Do read the article about Cornelius Van Tienhoven, her son in law. He's the one who started the war with Indians. The article is at fulkerson.org site. I'm not sure what you are talking about. "