Hello Janice, while I can't answer your questions about the Redstone Community at this time, I can tell you that there are no known records for the Berkeley community. In addition, these records were not included with the Conewago Congregation baptisms, so apparently they must have remained with the Berkeley group and were probably taken with them into Kentucky, where they could have been destroyed during the Indian attacks, a home fire or just lost. So about the only real information we have is the Demarest Letter as well as information found in the Revolutionary War Records. Vince Akers did a terrific work, called "The Low Dutch Company, A History of the Holland Dutch Settlements of the Kentucky Frontier, which was a series of articles from the Holland Society's Magazine of history de Halve Maen, appearing in issued: Vol LV, No. 2, Summer of 1980, 1-15; Vol. LV, No. 4, Winter of 1981, 9- LVI, no. 1 Spring-Summer 1981. I don't know if these are still obtainable from the Holland Society or not. Judy Mar 7, 2010 02:44:31 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== This is so kind of you! I don't want to be a pest, but you clearly know so much about this, I can't resist asking a few more questions!   As background:   I'm descended from Elisabeth Demaree, John Demaree's older sister, who married Daniel Harris.  Both Daniel and his son Samuel enlisted at Shephardstown.  Elisabeth's parents, Samuel and Leah, wrote that they were staying on land belonging to to Jacob Vanderveer, so this now all fits together.    The Harris family was not in the move to Kentucky in 1780; Elisabeth Demaree's parents were part of the Banta party leaving from Conewago.  Daniel Harris wasn't discharged until May/June 1780 and Samuel Harris enlisted in October 1780 and was discharged at Shephardstown in 1782.   In the meantime, apparently Daniel Harris and Elisabeth Demaree had moved to the Ft. Redstone (Pittsburgh) area, where Samuel joined them in 1783. Samuel was in Kentucky by 1784 when he married Elizabeth Vancleave.  Samuel and Elizabeth eventually joined the Shakers at Pleasant Hill, where his Revolutionary War petition was endorsed by John Voris.   So, some questions:   ++Where are the baptism and marriage records of the Berkeley Community?   ++Is there any information available about a Low Dutch Community at Fort Redstone, PA;  I have seen some references to the Shively Colony from New Jersey???  Any information on that? Was there a Dutch Church there? Any idea where the baptism and marriage records of this group might be?    With many thanks,   Jan --- On Sun, 3/7/10, [email protected] wrote: From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Were Dutch Ministers "gifted" with Communion Beakers, from their Parents etc. at Ordination? To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 11:48 AM I would be happy to do so, although there really isn't a lot of information available for those who  moved down into Kentucky in 1780.  Many members of the Berkeley group rented land from Jacob van Der Veer of Somerset County, also an extensive land owner in Berkeley.  This land was located along the Potomac River, just a little north of Shepardstown, West Virginia.  The area is now known as Scrabble, West Virginia. Jacob and his son both left money for the congregation and  Jacob left an acre of land for them to build a church in his will after his death in 1772, but apparently that was not done since they never intented to become permanent residents.  Among those listed as Rev. Soldiers were: Andrew Conine, John Demaree, Cornelius Van Arsdall, Garret Vanarsdalin, John Voris,  and also John Dorland, although not listed as a soldier.  I have been there many times, in the town of Shepardstown, the library has a definately "Dutch" look about the building, but other than that there really is nothing about the town which appears Dutch. No one really knows anything about them in Shepardstown, although Don Wood at the Berkeley Co. Hist. Society does have later records for those who did not leave for Kentucky and settled in the area. Pack Horse Forde where they crossed from Maryand  [today route 34] to Virginia over the Shenandoah river is still in existance.  To get to Scrabble from Shepardstown, you travel Shepard Gravel Road, which is the first road on the right, after crossing over the bridge from Maryland. Once you cross over the bridge you pass the  Bavarian Inn and the Shepard Grade Road is the next right.  Follow the Shepard Grade Road and take the left at Scrabble Road which is Rt. #5 and keep on that. You won't see anything other than lovely country side, but the road does lead to the C O Canal eventually.  All evidence of their existance is gone. Judy Mar 7, 2010 12:16:27 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== Judy,   I don't know the answer to your question, but learned some interesting things about the Berkeley community from your post.  Now I understand what Lea and Samuel Demaree meant when they wrote from Berkeley in 1773 to Peter Demaree in Hackensack "...Rev. Cozyn will convey it here.  So soon as he arrives at home he will preach here."  I had been looking for a church in Berkeley, and church records, but now I see there was not church.   Can you point me to any other information about the Berkeley community?   Thank you,   Jan --- On Sun, 3/7/10, [email protected]  wrote: From: [email protected] Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Were Dutch Ministers "gifted" with Communion Beakers, from their Parents etc. at Ordination? To: [email protected], [email protected] Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 10:19 AM According to the Acts and Procedures of the General Synod of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church in North America, Vol 1; there were many vacant congregations (with out a minister) in the 1700's.  Due to the lack of ministerial candidates and the distance of the congregations, the Synod was more times than not, unable to fill these vacancies on a permanent basis.  Supply or  missionary  ministers from other congregations often volunteered to go from time to time when they were able to do so. In the Catholic Church, when a priest is ordained, Priests receive, usually from their parents or other family members or friends, their own personal chalice or communion cup which remained with them? My question is, in the 1700's, were ordained Dutch ministers also "gifted"  or did they even purchase for their own use, a set of communion beakers of some nature, be it silver or pewter for their personal use, perhaps to be used when supplying or acting as a missionary minster for a congregation which could not afford their own? I can only speak for the Conewago congregation in that Rev. Cornelius Cozine not only was the minister for the Conewago congregation but he was also the supply minister to the Berkeley Community, which had no church and chances are no communion ware either, as they were not a permanent settlement.  Whether or not they had Elders and Deacons amongst them, we don't know, but if not, I would presume that some members of the Conewago Church traveled with Rev. Cozine. Thus would he not have brought communion ware with him for those times the Lords Supper was celebrated?  Upon his death, his inventory did not reflect that he had something like this among his possessions [he could have given them to the Congregation Congregation, although he did have a Bible and New Testament amongst his collection of  books.]  And what about the ministers who served as supply ministers, they could not be guarented that the church's they were supplying would be able to provide communion cups or eve! n afford them. So did they take their own, or those of the "mother" church? And since travel to distant locations could be rough would a church want to take the chance on the loss of their communion ware when supplying a minister who would be traveling with something as valuable as silver or pewter beacons or mugs, theft was not unknown or accidents.  Would it not be more sensible for the minster to supply his own, perhaps of a lesser value? After all  such a loss could be expensive for a congregation.  In the NYC area, it appears that when the minister traveled to other villages, the school master went along to provide the bread and wine at the congregations expense, but to also take those books necessary for the service with him. Here the danger would not be a great. But to rural areas, it might be.  The Flatbush Church Records, Vol 2, The Deacons Accounts of Midwood, page 231 clearly defines  who was in charge of what for these village areas,  between the deacon and the ! school master for that congregation. But in the outlying areas of New York, New Jersey and Pennsyvania, things might have been different. I realize that many Church's were able to afford communion ware, which remained with the church but perhaps there were those who could not. Then What? Thank you for your help Judy Cassidy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A reminder and maybe new info for some. Redstone was a temporary stop for the trip on the Monongahela River to & down the Ohio River for those going to the "ports" along its banks. [Plus, travel to New Orleans] They may been there only long enough to have their flatboat(s) built which had a cabin-like structure and an area large enough to take some stock with them. Some, stayed the winter as the boats could not always float down in the ice - Maybe have a child born. Some crossed Washington Co., PA by land and boarded boats on the Ohio. There are a few contemporary writings regarding the Pittsburgh to KY trips on the said rivers. Occasionally, one finds their families in local in the records of The District of West Augusta, Fayette Co., or Washington Co., PA records. Boats were built at other places besides Redstone. One other is the Georges Creek area which was in Springfield District of Fayette Co., PA. One of the Quaker Meetings I think Chester County was the "home" meeting for the Redstone Meeting which was created to hold "Letters" for the Friends moving west and to allow the Friends to get their "letters" for their new meeting wherever it would be in the "West". I have not heard of a journal of the Conwago move thru Redstone to Ky. Have I missed it in a posting? Phyllis Vannoy Spiker

I have found in the Archives Abstract of wills for the above families. These were here in the1600s. Anthony Fountain & Wife Sarah Hance Vincent their son Vincent and his wife Anna Hannah Martinse their son Vincent and his wife Martha Poillion Vincent sister Anne Fountain who married Henry Perrine. I know little to nothing about these families. Also which Henry Perrine did Anne marry? I descend out of her. Their daughter married Peter Stryker. One of the will abstracts says the Anne Fountain married Henry Perrine. This also mentioned in the William Norman Stryker book. The will of Anne's father meant I was on the right tract but need more info. I have tried to find info on them on the web but not much out there. Maybe I just do not know where to look. I have poor eyesight so cannot drive and cannot go running all over the states looking for original documents. I can look on the web and buy books. So please point me in the right direction. Thank you, Glee