Hi Jan, > Hi Pam, > > I'm sorry, I copied the refence without translating it. The NYG&B > Record established standard abbreviations for sources in 1933, I > think, so in their publications, REC always stands for The New York > Genealogical & Biographical Record, and following this in parentheses > is the (volume:page). So REC (78:162), for example, would be the New > York Genealogical & Biographical Record, Volume 78, Page 162. > > I will do better with providing volumes instead of dates in the future. > > Thank you, > > Jan http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=96 The Standard Source Abbreviations of 1933 have been tweaked and updated and the results are a bit different under the editorial direction of Patricia Law Hatcher in 2010. If nothing else, NYG&B should precede REC if you insist on the 1933 version, especially for articles or citations that are not appearing in the Record itself. However, the source reference today ought to be something like this: [NYG&B Record 78(1947):162]. 8 Dec 1774; Daniel Outwater and Nelly Harris Adding the title of the article is also helpful. In this case, for the marriage of Daniel Outwater and Nelly Harris, that would be "Marriages in the Dutch Reformed Church in Hopewell, Dutchess County, N.Y." The marriage record for Joseph Harris and Annatje Viele is: [NYG&B Record 73 (1942):229] "Records of the First Reformed (Dutch) Church of Poughkeepsie, New York" 2 Jan 1747 [or 1748]; Joseph Herris, Y.M. of Esopus, living Poughkeepsie, and Annatje Viele, Y.D., of Poughkeepsie, living Poughkeepsie. > One correction: Dr. Gale Ion Harris has corrected the ancestry of > Joseph Harris. He was shown in the two earlier articles as Joseph4 > (William3, Thomas2, William1) Harris. Dr. Harris demonstrates that he > is in fact Joseph3 (John2, John1), and is descended from John Harris > of Albany who married Elizabeth Claasz, and whose son John2 Harris > married Jannetje Nessepat. > > Jan You've lost me on the above. On page 10 of the NYG&B Record 133(2002), Dr. Harris shows Joseph Harris to be the child baptized at Kingston on 15 October 1727, the son of William Harris and Catharine Noxon: [Hoes B#3670] 15 Oct 1727; Wil Herris, Catryntjen Naks; Joseph; Evert Bogardus, Elisabeth Naks William Harris, the father, was baptized at Albany on 6 Sep 1691, the son of Jan Harris and Lysbeth Claes [Dr. Harris failed to identify her as Lysbeth Claes Stavast]. This William Harris was the younger brother of Jan Harris who married Jannetje Nessepat. [HSYB 1904, p 54] 6 Sep 1691; Willem, of Jean Harris and Lysbeth Claasz. Wit.: Mr Kint, Benoni Van Corlar, Lysbeth Van der Poel. William Harris married Catharine Noxon at Kingston on 13 July 1713: [Hoes M#301] 13 July 1713; William Harris, j.m., and Catryntjen Naks, both resid. in Kingston. Married on the presentation of a license. The line of descent is therefore: Jan Harris/Lysbeth Claes [Stavast] Willem Harris/Catharine Noxon (Naks) Joseph Harris/Annatje Viele Neeltje Harris/Daniel Outwater The children of Joseph Harris and Annatje Viele are listed on pages 146-148 of Volume 84 of the Record in "The Harris Family of Block Island and Dutchess County, N.Y." by Roderick Bissell Jones, The New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, July 1953. Be careful of another error, for Daniel Outwater only married once, and that was to Neeltje Harris, for she appeared in the pension application in 1847 and is said to have died in 1851 in Ontario Province, Canada. Roderick Bissell Jones appears to have been confused or mis-led by the baptismal record for Barent Van Kleeck Outwater at New Hackensack. Barent van Cleek #984; Birth Date: 14 Nov 1786; Bapt. Date: 17 Feb 1788; Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Cathrine Harris Source: Records of the Reformed Dutch Church of New Hackensack There is obviously an error in the records [the mother should have been Neeltje Harris]. Hope the above helps. Best regards, Pam Sears