Symon Symonse de Groot was a man, and not married to Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. Furthermore, Aert Jacobsz (van Wagenen) was not the son of aforementioned Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. In fact the children of Aert Jacobsz did not begin using the surname van Wageningen until about 1706. The first two children (daughters) of Aert Jacobsz and Annetje Gerrits van Schaick were born in Achtienhoven and Utrecht. The family came to Renssekaerwyck about 1646-47. Jacob Aertse Wagenaar arrived in Rensselaerwyck in 1637 at age 25, therefore he was born c 1612. Aert Jacobsz married in 1640, so assuming he was about 26, he was born c1614; even if he was only 20 when he married his birthdate would be c 1620, so he can't possibly be the son of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. I have seen this misinformation posted in many places and have notified many of the posters. Unfortunately errors of this sort abound and seem to take on a life of their own as they are repeated and reposted in numerous places. Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 3:02 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen (Willard Saunders) > 2. Re: Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) (Willard Saunders) > 3. Re: Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen (James Harder) > 4. Re: Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen (Willard Saunders) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:02:38 -0400 > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm informed > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > male > name. > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > The > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was born > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > - > - > - > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:42:04 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:57 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Didn't know they had gay marriages in the 1620's. Learn somethin every > > day. > > > > > > Perhaps you can be of assistance: Do you know the partner of Jacob Aertse > > Wagenaar who was born 1594? The partner's name I seek gave birth to a > > descendant, Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 10:29:46 PM > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) > > > > Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born > > 1594 > > Utrecht, Netherlands and died 1652 Albany,NY. Need parents of Symen > Symonse > > Groot > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: James Harder <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:49:14 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > Willard, > > Thanks for taking the joke in stride; I apologize. I am also a descendant > of > Aert Jacobse & Annatje Gerritse, through their daughter Lysebet who md. > Cornelis > Masten. I can't pretend to have done serious research on the origins of > the > man, but I have seen much of what is known about him, and I am not > persuaded > that there is a link between he and the Jacob Aertsz (Jacob Adriaensz) > Wagenaer > who sailed on den Calmer Sleutel Dec. 1637 at the age of 25 as farm servant > for > Albert Andriesz. My doubt has been reinforced by the marriage record at > Westbroek: "den 31. Maij 1640 Aert Jacobs j.g: van Acht-thienhoven EV > Annetien > gerrits van Schaijck j.d: mede van Acht-thienhoven tot West broeck > bevesticht > den 21. Junij 1640." > > So there are 2 basic problems with the connection. One, that there names > seem > to be of different origin - Wagenaer is occupational, while van Wagenen is > geographic. Two, that Jacob Aertsz came to Rensselaerwyck as a laborer > while > his son stayed behind and was married three years later. Clearly, that > scenario > is possible, but I think this proposed connection has more to do with the > coincidental similarity of their names than the facts or logic of their > relationship. > > The father of Aert Jacobse van Acht-thienhoven may very well be a man > named Jacob Aertsz. Sorry, but I have no information on him or his > partner. > > Regards, > Jim Harder > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:02:38 AM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm informed > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > male > name. > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > The > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was born > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > - > - > - > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 22:44:00 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > Jim, > > Thanks for replying. I'm grasping at straws. Your logic you mentioned > that > the names seem to be of different origin crossed my mind and made posting > my > query problematic. I'm stuck on the parents of Annetje Gerrits. Also, the > parents of Susanna Maret in the family group below. > > Best regards, > > Willard Saunders > * > * > > *Neeltje Aertsen m. Cornelis Aertsen Fynhout (2001)* > > > > (3001) ARENT "ARIE" FYNHOUT, bp 6/18/1671 KRDC, m MARYTJE VIELE, nothing > further known of them. > > Their children were: > > (1) Neeltje, bp 2/2/1696 Kingston RDC > (Reformed Dutch Church) > > (2) Petrus, bp 6/2/1698 Kingston RDC > > (3) Petrus, bp 4/3/1702 Kingsston RDC > > (4) Jacomyntje, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC m > Jan Decker > > (5) Geertie, bp 10/12/1707 Kingston RDC > > (6) Cornelis, bp 11/10/1710 Kingston RDC m > Christina Brisjen. > > > > (3002) *ANNETJE FYNHOUT, nothing further known, m 4/21/1701 Kingston RDC to > JAN LEGG of Kingston, son of William Legg and Susanna Maret. * > > Their children were: > > (1) Neeltje, bp 11/29/1702 Kingston RDC > > (2) Susanna, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC > > (3) Willem, bp 10/31/1708 Kingston RDC > > (4) Samuel, bp 1/28/1711 Kingston RDC > > (5) Cornelis, bp 4/5/1713 Kingston RDC > > (6) Jan, bp 2/19/1716 Kingston RDC > > (7) Sara. > > > > (3003) AERT FYNHOUT, bp 11/16/1679 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. > Witnesses at this bp were Cornelis Masten and Lysbeth Pels. > > > > (3004) CORNELIS FYNHOUT, bp 5/25/1682 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. > Witnesses were Cornelis Masten and Elkie Aelbertz Rosa. > > > * * > > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:49 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Willard, > > > > Thanks for taking the joke in stride; I apologize. I am also a > descendant > > of > > Aert Jacobse & Annatje Gerritse, through their daughter Lysebet who md. > > Cornelis > > Masten. I can't pretend to have done serious research on the origins of > > the > > man, but I have seen much of what is known about him, and I am not > > persuaded > > that there is a link between he and the Jacob Aertsz (Jacob Adriaensz) > > Wagenaer > > who sailed on den Calmer Sleutel Dec. 1637 at the age of 25 as farm > servant > > for > > Albert Andriesz. My doubt has been reinforced by the marriage record at > > Westbroek: "den 31. Maij 1640 Aert Jacobs j.g: van Acht-thienhoven EV > > Annetien > > gerrits van Schaijck j.d: mede van Acht-thienhoven tot West broeck > > bevesticht > > den 21. Junij 1640." > > > > So there are 2 basic problems with the connection. One, that there names > > seem > > to be of different origin - Wagenaer is occupational, while van Wagenen > is > > geographic. Two, that Jacob Aertsz came to Rensselaerwyck as a laborer > > while > > his son stayed behind and was married three years later. Clearly, that > > scenario > > is possible, but I think this proposed connection has more to do with the > > coincidental similarity of their names than the facts or logic of their > > relationship. > > > > The father of Aert Jacobse van Acht-thienhoven may very well be a man > > named Jacob Aertsz. Sorry, but I have no information on him or his > > partner. > > > > Regards, > > Jim Harder > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:02:38 AM > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > > > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm > informed > > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > > male > > name. > > > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > > The > > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was > born > > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > > > - > > - > > - > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > >