Hi Nancy, Pam, HAL and anyone else interested in this puzzle -- I have Belitje Boogert, bp. 15 April 1722 NYC Ref Ch. dau. of Cornelius Bogart & Cornelia Verduin/Ver Duyn married Charles Dickenson. They had a dau., Cornelia, bp. 12 Sep 1744 NYC Ref Ch. He d. before 17 Aug 1757 when Belitje, as his widow, witnessed the bp. of Cornelia, dau. of Robert Ray & Sara Bogert. Belitje (as Belletje Dikkenson) seems to have married (2) 1 March 1763 NYC Ref Ch (License 1 March 1763), Robert Ray. Pat On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:45 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Hi Pat, Pam > > There is another Belitje that so far has not been covered and she > was the one on whom I had my eye - > > 1722 Apr 15; Cornelus Bogert, Cornelia Ver Duyn; Belitje; Claas > Bogert & wife Grietje [Concelje] > > I agree that Pam's placement seems very good and likely. This > [ apparently ] sole birth seems a tad difficult to place owing to > the lack of siblings and a naming pattern to follow. Someone, not > readily identifiable, on the IGI [ I know ] placed Cornelis Bogert > as the son of Cornelis Florisse Bogaard and Neeltjen Barten and that > he was baptised in Schoonrewoerd 21 Nov 1697. I have not yet > compared this prospect with the earliest Bogerts in NN and their > known arrival as it may well conflict!? > > HAL > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat & Walter Wardell <[email protected]> > To: dutch-colonies <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:30 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Who was Belitje Bogert? > > > ---children of Teunis Tiebout & (1) Belitje Bogert: > • Johannes Tiebout, bp. 14 July 1745 NYC Ref Ch (as Johannes, son of > eunis Tiebout, Jur & Beeltje Bogaart) (wit: > ohannes Tiebout, Maria Van Deventer, z. huis v.) > • Cornelia Tiebout, bp. 9 Sep 1747 NYC Ref Ch (wit: Hendrik Bogert, > ornelia de Grauw, syn h.v.); apparently d.y. > • Maria Tiebout, bp. 27 Nov 1751 NYC Ref Ch (wit: Johannes Tiebout, > aria Van Deventer, z.h.v.); apparently d.y. > Belitje apparently d. before 5 Jan 1754 on which date, recorded NYC > ef Ch, Teunis married (2) Gerritie Veghte (Van Vegten; Van Vechten) > eunis m. (2) Gerritje Van Veghte and had additional children -- > ---children of Teunis Tibout & (2) Gerritie Van Veghte: > • Maria Tiebout (Mary), b. 15 Nov 1754 NY; bp. 20 Nov 1754 NYC Ref Ch > wit: Johannes Tiebout, Maria Van Deventer, z. huis v.); d. 28 Aug > 795; m. (1) 2 Nov 1771, John Johnson (b. 23 Oct 1748); m. (2) 18 Sep > 785 Theodorus Polhemus > • Cornelia Tiebout, bp. 3 Dec 1758 NYC Ref Ch (wit: Nicholaas Vegte, > ornelia Van Duyn, z.h.) > • Gerritje Tiebout (Garetta), bp. 11 May 1763 NYC Ref Ch (wit: > ohannes Tiebout, Maria Tiebout, h.v. Benjamin Tenner [Tanner]); m. 14 > an 1785 John R. Cowenhoven > I tentatively have the Belitje who married Teunis Teibout identified > s dau. of > laas/Nicholas Bogert & (2) Margaret/Grietje Jans Consilyea -- > aptized as > eletje, dau. of Claas Bogert & Grietje Concelje, bp. 13 June 1716 NYC > ef Ch > BUT -- I, too, am concerned about the age difference between Teunis > iebout & Belitje Bogert/Bogart -- if she is the dau. of Klaas/ > icholas, she was about 6 years older than Teunis. But even more > isconcerting to me is the fact that no daughter Belitje was named in > laas/Nicholas Bogert's 1726 will, which would imply that dau. > elitje d.y., as did an earlier dau. Belitje born to this couple. > hese Belitjes were almost surely named in honor of Klaas/Nicholas > ogert's deceased first wife, Belitje Van Schaick. > I've looked at the Belitje, dau. of Hendrick Bogert & Cornelia > eGrauw, but in my data, I have this Beletje married to John DeVoor, > nd they had several children bp. in the NYC Ref Ch in a time period > ust after Teunis Tiebout and his wife Beleitje Bogert were having > heir children, so she seems to be accounted for. UNLESS Teunis > eibout's wife Belitje didn't die, and they were divorced and she > emarried John De Voor, but this seems a real stretch. (I do not, by > he way have John DeVoor's wife Belitje definitely identified -- was > he indeed the dau. of Hendrick Bogert & Cornelia deGrauw?) > Every other Beletje that I have in my data who would fit the time > eriod seems to be accounted for. > This is a real puzzle to me, and I would welcome anyone's input on > this. > Pat > > On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:03 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> > > > > Hi > > I don't follow this. I can find no baptism in the NYC DRC at all for > a "Concelje" in 1716 being the daughter of the parents stated. There > is however on the very same day quoted - > > > 1716 Jun 13; Claas Bogert, Grietje Concelje; Belitje; Johannes > Graaf, Elizabeth Van Schaik > > > > Meaning Belitje [ the child baptised ] daughter of Claas Bogert & > Grietje Concelje; the sponsors being Johannes Graaf & Elizabeth Van > Schaik. > > I expect you are mis - reading the records. > > I can see 9 children in the NYC DRC baptised to this couple > including two Belitje's in 1708 and 1716 as mentioned but I am very > sceptical indeed that the latter was the wife of Theunis Tiebout - > owing to her age. In my experience I have not seen brides in a first > marriage 6 years older than their grooms. Usually about the same age > or a year or two younger or older. Has anyone experience of older > brides in a first marriage? > > I think I can see the correct Belitje who may well have married > Theunis but wil do some more work on it before jumping the gun. > > It would help enormously if you could please list the children of > Theunis & Belitje. > > Also, does anyone please know the parents of Claas Bogert & Grietje > Conselje? > > Thanks. > > Hope this helps. > > HAL > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nancyterhune <[email protected]> > To: dutch-colonies <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:09 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Who was Belitje Bogert? > > > Pat, > This Belitje/Belletjie Bogert, the "Belida" Bogert who married > Teunis Tiebout 18 > ov 1744, is shown by H.S. Ackerman ("Five Bogert Families") as the > seventh > hild and second Belletje born to Nicholas Bogaert and his second > wife Margaret > onsilyea Van Tilburg. This Belletje was b. 5 Jun 1716 and bp. 13 > Jun 1716. > owever, the corresponding baptismal record in the NYDRC records is for > Concelje" Bogert, daughter of Claas Bogert and Grietje Belitje. I > thought that > his might have been a transposition of the mother's second name and > the > hild's, but when I checked the baptism of the first Belitje, 5 Dec > 1708, the > hild's name is also given as Concelje and the mother's also Grietje > Belitje. > an anyone untangle this? > Ackerman shows Nicholas Bogaert, b. 1668 in Bedford LI, as son of > Jan Louwe > Laurenes/Laurenez) Bogert of Schoonderwoert, Holland, progenitor of > his line in > merica; but I have no primary records that confirm any of this. > Nicholas's > irst wife is given as Belitje Van Schaick (marr. NYDRC 28 Jun 1695). > Nancy > ----- Original Message ----- > rom: Pat & Walter Wardell <[email protected]> > ate: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:39 am > ubject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Who was Belitje Bogert? > o: Dutch-Colonies List <[email protected]> >> Who was the Belitje Bogert/Bogart who married 18 Nov 1744 in the > New > York Dutch Ref Church, Theunis Tiebout? He was the son of Johannes > Tiebout & Maria Van Deventer, and he was baptized 20 June 1722 in > the > New York Dutch Ref Church. Who were her parents and when was she > born > or baptized? > > Thanks for any help. > > Pat Wardell > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > he message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message