Jim, I spent the better part of the evening trying to connect Jacomyntje Swart said to be a spouse of Cornelis Fynhout (Fijnhout) with the Viele family. Sometimes I become for reasons not yet understood. The Viele is in this category. Some (possibly) relevant sites: (1) Descendants of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison/GENE14-0001.html - - - (2) *Jacob Aertsz* >From Utrech; referred to as *Jacob Aertsz Wagenaer,* and also as *Jacob Adriansz Wagenaer* (the wagoner): sailed on den Calmer Sleutel, Dec. 1637, at the age of 25, as farm servant for Albert Andriesz. He served for 1 1/4 years at the Manhatans and June 26, 1639, began his service in the colony, for the term of six years, at wages ranging from f90 to f120 a year. He is charged in the accounts with supplies furnished by Albert Andriesz, but is entered as servant of Cornelis Maesen. April 2, 1648, the court ordered him to serve Evert Pels for one year, so as to complete his term. Feb. 23, 1649, he appeared before the court on the charge of having the preceding day, with Jacob Adriaensz Raedemaecker (wheelwright) and Harmen Bastiaensz, prevented Director van Slichtenhorst from arresting Jacob Toenijs, servant of Jan Verbeeck, in the *Greenen Bos.* * * *Source: *http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/shcs.html I admit to not being able to see through either of the texts at the two above sites, which makes it difficult to make any connections. I've ordered a copy of* **Settlers of Rensselaerswyck 1630-1658*, Exerpted from the Van Rensselaer Bowier Manuscripts by A. J. F. Van Laer. Possibly a clue therein. Will On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:37 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> wrote: > Willard, > > There is speculation on the origins of these folks and most of those in New > Netherlands, but facts are hard to come by. One could suggest that > Annatjen > Gerritse van Schaijck who came from Achtthienhoven with Aert Jacobse is the > sister of the Gosen Gerritse van Schaijk who settled in Rensselaerwyck a > few > years before, but I haven't seen a shred of hard evidence for it. That we > have a > solid record of her in Holland, her marriage and the birth of their > daughter > (your ancestor Neeltje) is more than we have on many others, and for my > purposes > enough. I have nothing but a name for Susanna, but I haven't l looked. > > Jim > > PS: The Viele books by KK Viele are interesting and quaint, but only as > reliable > as other 100 year old research, which is not very. She was the daughter > of Egbert Ludovicus Viele, an interesting guy - war hero, engineer, > conceived > Central Park, etc; he has the largest tomb of any at West Point. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 10:44:00 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > Jim, > > Thanks for replying. I'm grasping at straws. Your logic you mentioned > that > the names seem to be of different origin crossed my mind and made posting > my > query problematic. I'm stuck on the parents of Annetje Gerrits. Also, the > parents of Susanna Maret in the family group below. > > Best regards, > > Willard Saunders > * > * > > *Neeltje Aertsen m. Cornelis Aertsen Fynhout (2001)* > > > > (3001) ARENT "ARIE" FYNHOUT, bp 6/18/1671 KRDC, m MARYTJE VIELE, nothing > further known of them. > > Their children were: > > (1) Neeltje, bp 2/2/1696 Kingston RDC > (Reformed Dutch Church) > > (2) Petrus, bp 6/2/1698 Kingston RDC > > (3) Petrus, bp 4/3/1702 Kingsston RDC > > (4) Jacomyntje, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC m > Jan Decker > > (5) Geertie, bp 10/12/1707 Kingston RDC > > (6) Cornelis, bp 11/10/1710 Kingston RDC m > Christina Brisjen. > > > > (3002) *ANNETJE FYNHOUT, nothing further known, m 4/21/1701 Kingston RDC to > JAN LEGG of Kingston, son of William Legg and Susanna Maret. * > > Their children were: > > (1) Neeltje, bp 11/29/1702 Kingston RDC > > (2) Susanna, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC > > (3) Willem, bp 10/31/1708 Kingston RDC > > (4) Samuel, bp 1/28/1711 Kingston RDC > > (5) Cornelis, bp 4/5/1713 Kingston RDC > > (6) Jan, bp 2/19/1716 Kingston RDC > > (7) Sara. > > > > (3003) AERT FYNHOUT, bp 11/16/1679 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. > Witnesses at this bp were Cornelis Masten and Lysbeth Pels. > > > > (3004) CORNELIS FYNHOUT, bp 5/25/1682 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. > Witnesses were Cornelis Masten and Elkie Aelbertz Rosa. > > > * * > > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:49 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Willard, > > > > Thanks for taking the joke in stride; I apologize. I am also a > descendant > > of > > Aert Jacobse & Annatje Gerritse, through their daughter Lysebet who md. > > Cornelis > > Masten. I can't pretend to have done serious research on the origins of > > the > > man, but I have seen much of what is known about him, and I am not > > persuaded > > that there is a link between he and the Jacob Aertsz (Jacob Adriaensz) > > Wagenaer > > who sailed on den Calmer Sleutel Dec. 1637 at the age of 25 as farm > servant > > for > > Albert Andriesz. My doubt has been reinforced by the marriage record at > > Westbroek: "den 31. Maij 1640 Aert Jacobs j.g: van Acht-thienhoven EV > > Annetien > > gerrits van Schaijck j.d: mede van Acht-thienhoven tot West broeck > > bevesticht > > den 21. Junij 1640." > > > > So there are 2 basic problems with the connection. One, that there names > > seem > > to be of different origin - Wagenaer is occupational, while van Wagenen > is > > geographic. Two, that Jacob Aertsz came to Rensselaerwyck as a laborer > > while > > his son stayed behind and was married three years later. Clearly, that > > scenario > > is possible, but I think this proposed connection has more to do with the > > coincidental similarity of their names than the facts or logic of their > > relationship. > > > > The father of Aert Jacobse van Acht-thienhoven may very well be a man > > named Jacob Aertsz. Sorry, but I have no information on him or his > > partner. > > > > Regards, > > Jim Harder > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:02:38 AM > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > > > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm > informed > > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > > male > > name. > > > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > > The > > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was > born > > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > > > - > > - > > - > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >