---children of Teunis Tiebout & (1) Belitje Bogert: • Johannes Tiebout, bp. 14 July 1745 NYC Ref Ch (as Johannes, son of Teunis Tiebout, Jur & Beeltje Bogaart) (wit: Johannes Tiebout, Maria Van Deventer, z. huis v.) • Cornelia Tiebout, bp. 9 Sep 1747 NYC Ref Ch (wit: Hendrik Bogert, Cornelia de Grauw, syn h.v.); apparently d.y. • Maria Tiebout, bp. 27 Nov 1751 NYC Ref Ch (wit: Johannes Tiebout, Maria Van Deventer, z.h.v.); apparently d.y. Belitje apparently d. before 5 Jan 1754 on which date, recorded NYC Ref Ch, Teunis married (2) Gerritie Veghte (Van Vegten; Van Vechten) Teunis m. (2) Gerritje Van Veghte and had additional children -- ---children of Teunis Tibout & (2) Gerritie Van Veghte: • Maria Tiebout (Mary), b. 15 Nov 1754 NY; bp. 20 Nov 1754 NYC Ref Ch (wit: Johannes Tiebout, Maria Van Deventer, z. huis v.); d. 28 Aug 1795; m. (1) 2 Nov 1771, John Johnson (b. 23 Oct 1748); m. (2) 18 Sep 1785 Theodorus Polhemus • Cornelia Tiebout, bp. 3 Dec 1758 NYC Ref Ch (wit: Nicholaas Vegte, Cornelia Van Duyn, z.h.) • Gerritje Tiebout (Garetta), bp. 11 May 1763 NYC Ref Ch (wit: Johannes Tiebout, Maria Tiebout, h.v. Benjamin Tenner [Tanner]); m. 14 Jan 1785 John R. Cowenhoven I tentatively have the Belitje who married Teunis Teibout identified as dau. of Klaas/Nicholas Bogert & (2) Margaret/Grietje Jans Consilyea -- baptized as Beletje, dau. of Claas Bogert & Grietje Concelje, bp. 13 June 1716 NYC Ref Ch BUT -- I, too, am concerned about the age difference between Teunis Tiebout & Belitje Bogert/Bogart -- if she is the dau. of Klaas/ Nicholas, she was about 6 years older than Teunis. But even more disconcerting to me is the fact that no daughter Belitje was named in Klaas/Nicholas Bogert's 1726 will, which would imply that dau. Belitje d.y., as did an earlier dau. Belitje born to this couple. These Belitjes were almost surely named in honor of Klaas/Nicholas Bogert's deceased first wife, Belitje Van Schaick. I've looked at the Belitje, dau. of Hendrick Bogert & Cornelia deGrauw, but in my data, I have this Beletje married to John DeVoor, and they had several children bp. in the NYC Ref Ch in a time period just after Teunis Tiebout and his wife Beleitje Bogert were having their children, so she seems to be accounted for. UNLESS Teunis Teibout's wife Belitje didn't die, and they were divorced and she remarried John De Voor, but this seems a real stretch. (I do not, by the way have John DeVoor's wife Belitje definitely identified -- was she indeed the dau. of Hendrick Bogert & Cornelia deGrauw?) Every other Beletje that I have in my data who would fit the time period seems to be accounted for. This is a real puzzle to me, and I would welcome anyone's input on this. Pat On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:03 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > Hi > > I don't follow this. I can find no baptism in the NYC DRC at all for > a "Concelje" in 1716 being the daughter of the parents stated. There > is however on the very same day quoted - > > > 1716 Jun 13; Claas Bogert, Grietje Concelje; Belitje; Johannes > Graaf, Elizabeth Van Schaik > > > > Meaning Belitje [ the child baptised ] daughter of Claas Bogert & > Grietje Concelje; the sponsors being Johannes Graaf & Elizabeth Van > Schaik. > > I expect you are mis - reading the records. > > I can see 9 children in the NYC DRC baptised to this couple > including two Belitje's in 1708 and 1716 as mentioned but I am very > sceptical indeed that the latter was the wife of Theunis Tiebout - > owing to her age. In my experience I have not seen brides in a first > marriage 6 years older than their grooms. Usually about the same age > or a year or two younger or older. Has anyone experience of older > brides in a first marriage? > > I think I can see the correct Belitje who may well have married > Theunis but wil do some more work on it before jumping the gun. > > It would help enormously if you could please list the children of > Theunis & Belitje. > > Also, does anyone please know the parents of Claas Bogert & Grietje > Conselje? > > Thanks. > > Hope this helps. > > HAL > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nancyterhune <[email protected]> > To: dutch-colonies <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:09 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Who was Belitje Bogert? > > > Pat, > This Belitje/Belletjie Bogert, the "Belida" Bogert who married > Teunis Tiebout 18 > ov 1744, is shown by H.S. Ackerman ("Five Bogert Families") as the > seventh > hild and second Belletje born to Nicholas Bogaert and his second > wife Margaret > onsilyea Van Tilburg. This Belletje was b. 5 Jun 1716 and bp. 13 > Jun 1716. > owever, the corresponding baptismal record in the NYDRC records is for > Concelje" Bogert, daughter of Claas Bogert and Grietje Belitje. I > thought that > his might have been a transposition of the mother's second name and > the > hild's, but when I checked the baptism of the first Belitje, 5 Dec > 1708, the > hild's name is also given as Concelje and the mother's also Grietje > Belitje. > an anyone untangle this? > Ackerman shows Nicholas Bogaert, b. 1668 in Bedford LI, as son of > Jan Louwe > Laurenes/Laurenez) Bogert of Schoonderwoert, Holland, progenitor of > his line in > merica; but I have no primary records that confirm any of this. > Nicholas's > irst wife is given as Belitje Van Schaick (marr. NYDRC 28 Jun 1695). > Nancy > ----- Original Message ----- > rom: Pat & Walter Wardell <[email protected]> > ate: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:39 am > ubject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Who was Belitje Bogert? > o: Dutch-Colonies List <[email protected]> >> Who was the Belitje Bogert/Bogart who married 18 Nov 1744 in the > New > York Dutch Ref Church, Theunis Tiebout? He was the son of Johannes > Tiebout & Maria Van Deventer, and he was baptized 20 June 1722 in > the > New York Dutch Ref Church. Who were her parents and when was she > born > or baptized? > > Thanks for any help. > > Pat Wardell > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > he message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Pat, Pam There is another Belitje that so far has not been covered and she was the one on whom I had my eye - 1722 Apr 15; Cornelus Bogert, Cornelia Ver Duyn; Belitje; Claas Bogert & wife Grietje [Concelje] I agree that Pam's placement seems very good and likely. This [ apparently ] sole birth seems a tad difficult to place owing to the lack of siblings and a naming pattern to follow. Someone, not readily identifiable, on the IGI [ I know ] placed Cornelis Bogert as the son of Cornelis Florisse Bogaard and Neeltjen Barten and that he was baptised in Schoonrewoerd 21 Nov 1697. I have not yet compared this prospect with the earliest Bogerts in NN and their known arrival as it may well conflict!? HAL -----Original Message----- From: Pat & Walter Wardell <[email protected]> To: dutch-colonies <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:30 Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Who was Belitje Bogert? ---children of Teunis Tiebout & (1) Belitje Bogert: • Johannes Tiebout, bp. 14 July 1745 NYC Ref Ch (as Johannes, son of eunis Tiebout, Jur & Beeltje Bogaart) (wit: ohannes Tiebout, Maria Van Deventer, z. huis v.) • Cornelia Tiebout, bp. 9 Sep 1747 NYC Ref Ch (wit: Hendrik Bogert, ornelia de Grauw, syn h.v.); apparently d.y. • Maria Tiebout, bp. 27 Nov 1751 NYC Ref Ch (wit: Johannes Tiebout, aria Van Deventer, z.h.v.); apparently d.y. Belitje apparently d. before 5 Jan 1754 on which date, recorded NYC ef Ch, Teunis married (2) Gerritie Veghte (Van Vegten; Van Vechten) eunis m. (2) Gerritje Van Veghte and had additional children -- ---children of Teunis Tibout & (2) Gerritie Van Veghte: • Maria Tiebout (Mary), b. 15 Nov 1754 NY; bp. 20 Nov 1754 NYC Ref Ch wit: Johannes Tiebout, Maria Van Deventer, z. huis v.); d. 28 Aug 795; m. (1) 2 Nov 1771, John Johnson (b. 23 Oct 1748); m. (2) 18 Sep 785 Theodorus Polhemus • Cornelia Tiebout, bp. 3 Dec 1758 NYC Ref Ch (wit: Nicholaas Vegte, ornelia Van Duyn, z.h.) • Gerritje Tiebout (Garetta), bp. 11 May 1763 NYC Ref Ch (wit: ohannes Tiebout, Maria Tiebout, h.v. Benjamin Tenner [Tanner]); m. 14 an 1785 John R. Cowenhoven I tentatively have the Belitje who married Teunis Teibout identified s dau. of laas/Nicholas Bogert & (2) Margaret/Grietje Jans Consilyea -- aptized as eletje, dau. of Claas Bogert & Grietje Concelje, bp. 13 June 1716 NYC ef Ch BUT -- I, too, am concerned about the age difference between Teunis iebout & Belitje Bogert/Bogart -- if she is the dau. of Klaas/ icholas, she was about 6 years older than Teunis. But even more isconcerting to me is the fact that no daughter Belitje was named in laas/Nicholas Bogert's 1726 will, which would imply that dau. elitje d.y., as did an earlier dau. Belitje born to this couple. hese Belitjes were almost surely named in honor of Klaas/Nicholas ogert's deceased first wife, Belitje Van Schaick. I've looked at the Belitje, dau. of Hendrick Bogert & Cornelia eGrauw, but in my data, I have this Beletje married to John DeVoor, nd they had several children bp. in the NYC Ref Ch in a time period ust after Teunis Tiebout and his wife Beleitje Bogert were having heir children, so she seems to be accounted for. UNLESS Teunis eibout's wife Belitje didn't die, and they were divorced and she emarried John De Voor, but this seems a real stretch. (I do not, by he way have John DeVoor's wife Belitje definitely identified -- was he indeed the dau. of Hendrick Bogert & Cornelia deGrauw?) Every other Beletje that I have in my data who would fit the time eriod seems to be accounted for. This is a real puzzle to me, and I would welcome anyone's input on this. Pat On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:03 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Hi I don't follow this. I can find no baptism in the NYC DRC at all for a "Concelje" in 1716 being the daughter of the parents stated. There is however on the very same day quoted - 1716 Jun 13; Claas Bogert, Grietje Concelje; Belitje; Johannes Graaf, Elizabeth Van Schaik Meaning Belitje [ the child baptised ] daughter of Claas Bogert & Grietje Concelje; the sponsors being Johannes Graaf & Elizabeth Van Schaik. I expect you are mis - reading the records. I can see 9 children in the NYC DRC baptised to this couple including two Belitje's in 1708 and 1716 as mentioned but I am very sceptical indeed that the latter was the wife of Theunis Tiebout - owing to her age. In my experience I have not seen brides in a first marriage 6 years older than their grooms. Usually about the same age or a year or two younger or older. Has anyone experience of older brides in a first marriage? I think I can see the correct Belitje who may well have married Theunis but wil do some more work on it before jumping the gun. It would help enormously if you could please list the children of Theunis & Belitje. Also, does anyone please know the parents of Claas Bogert & Grietje Conselje? Thanks. Hope this helps. HAL -----Original Message----- From: nancyterhune <[email protected]> To: dutch-colonies <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:09 Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Who was Belitje Bogert? Pat, This Belitje/Belletjie Bogert, the "Belida" Bogert who married Teunis Tiebout 18 ov 1744, is shown by H.S. Ackerman ("Five Bogert Families") as the seventh hild and second Belletje born to Nicholas Bogaert and his second wife Margaret onsilyea Van Tilburg. This Belletje was b. 5 Jun 1716 and bp. 13 Jun 1716. owever, the corresponding baptismal record in the NYDRC records is for Concelje" Bogert, daughter of Claas Bogert and Grietje Belitje. I thought that his might have been a transposition of the mother's second name and the hild's, but when I checked the baptism of the first Belitje, 5 Dec 1708, the hild's name is also given as Concelje and the mother's also Grietje Belitje. an anyone untangle this? Ackerman shows Nicholas Bogaert, b. 1668 in Bedford LI, as son of Jan Louwe Laurenes/Laurenez) Bogert of Schoonderwoert, Holland, progenitor of his line in merica; but I have no primary records that confirm any of this. Nicholas's irst wife is given as Belitje Van Schaick (marr. NYDRC 28 Jun 1695). Nancy ----- Original Message ----- rom: Pat & Walter Wardell <[email protected]> ate: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:39 am ubject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Who was Belitje Bogert? o: Dutch-Colonies List <[email protected]> > Who was the Belitje Bogert/Bogart who married 18 Nov 1744 in the New York Dutch Ref Church, Theunis Tiebout? He was the son of Johannes Tiebout & Maria Van Deventer, and he was baptized 20 June 1722 in the New York Dutch Ref Church. Who were her parents and when was she born or baptized? Thanks for any help. 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