You made my day with this posting! Annetje Gerrits van Schaick -- hearing that surname raises the question of her parents and siblings? On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Patricia Heffernan <[email protected]>wrote: > Symon Symonse de Groot was a man, and not married to Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. > Furthermore, Aert Jacobsz (van Wagenen) was not the son of aforementioned > Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. In fact the children of Aert Jacobsz did not begin > using the surname van Wageningen until about 1706. The first two children > (daughters) of Aert Jacobsz and Annetje Gerrits van Schaick were born in > Achtienhoven and Utrecht. The family came to Renssekaerwyck about 1646-47. > Jacob Aertse Wagenaar arrived in Rensselaerwyck in 1637 at age 25, > therefore > he was born c 1612. Aert Jacobsz married in 1640, so assuming he was about > 26, he was born c1614; even if he was only 20 when he married his birthdate > would be c 1620, so he can't possibly be the son of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. > I have seen this misinformation posted in many places and have notified > many > of the posters. Unfortunately errors of this sort abound and seem to take > on a life of their own as they are repeated and reposted in numerous > places. > > Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 3:02 AM, <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen (Willard Saunders) > > 2. Re: Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) (Willard Saunders) > > 3. Re: Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen (James Harder) > > 4. Re: Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen (Willard Saunders) > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:02:38 -0400 > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm > informed > > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > > male > > name. > > > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > > The > > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was > born > > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > > > - > > - > > - > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:42:04 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:57 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Didn't know they had gay marriages in the 1620's. Learn somethin every > > > day. > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you can be of assistance: Do you know the partner of Jacob > Aertse > > > Wagenaar who was born 1594? The partner's name I seek gave birth to a > > > descendant, Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 10:29:46 PM > > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) > > > > > > Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born > > > 1594 > > > Utrecht, Netherlands and died 1652 Albany,NY. Need parents of Symen > > Symonse > > > Groot > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: James Harder <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:49:14 -0700 (PDT) > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > Willard, > > > > Thanks for taking the joke in stride; I apologize. I am also a > descendant > > of > > Aert Jacobse & Annatje Gerritse, through their daughter Lysebet who md. > > Cornelis > > Masten. I can't pretend to have done serious research on the origins of > > the > > man, but I have seen much of what is known about him, and I am not > > persuaded > > that there is a link between he and the Jacob Aertsz (Jacob Adriaensz) > > Wagenaer > > who sailed on den Calmer Sleutel Dec. 1637 at the age of 25 as farm > servant > > for > > Albert Andriesz. My doubt has been reinforced by the marriage record at > > Westbroek: "den 31. Maij 1640 Aert Jacobs j.g: van Acht-thienhoven EV > > Annetien > > gerrits van Schaijck j.d: mede van Acht-thienhoven tot West broeck > > bevesticht > > den 21. Junij 1640." > > > > So there are 2 basic problems with the connection. One, that there names > > seem > > to be of different origin - Wagenaer is occupational, while van Wagenen > is > > geographic. Two, that Jacob Aertsz came to Rensselaerwyck as a laborer > > while > > his son stayed behind and was married three years later. Clearly, that > > scenario > > is possible, but I think this proposed connection has more to do with the > > coincidental similarity of their names than the facts or logic of their > > relationship. > > > > The father of Aert Jacobse van Acht-thienhoven may very well be a man > > named Jacob Aertsz. Sorry, but I have no information on him or his > > partner. > > > > Regards, > > Jim Harder > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:02:38 AM > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > > > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm > informed > > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > > male > > name. > > > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > > The > > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was > born > > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > > > - > > - > > - > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 22:44:00 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > Jim, > > > > Thanks for replying. I'm grasping at straws. Your logic you mentioned > > that > > the names seem to be of different origin crossed my mind and made posting > > my > > query problematic. I'm stuck on the parents of Annetje Gerrits. Also, > the > > parents of Susanna Maret in the family group below. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Willard Saunders > > * > > * > > > > *Neeltje Aertsen m. Cornelis Aertsen Fynhout (2001)* > > > > > > > > (3001) ARENT "ARIE" FYNHOUT, bp 6/18/1671 KRDC, m MARYTJE VIELE, nothing > > further known of them. > > > > Their children were: > > > > (1) Neeltje, bp 2/2/1696 Kingston RDC > > (Reformed Dutch Church) > > > > (2) Petrus, bp 6/2/1698 Kingston RDC > > > > (3) Petrus, bp 4/3/1702 Kingsston RDC > > > > (4) Jacomyntje, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC m > > Jan Decker > > > > (5) Geertie, bp 10/12/1707 Kingston RDC > > > > (6) Cornelis, bp 11/10/1710 Kingston RDC m > > Christina Brisjen. > > > > > > > > (3002) *ANNETJE FYNHOUT, nothing further known, m 4/21/1701 Kingston RDC > to > > JAN LEGG of Kingston, son of William Legg and Susanna Maret. * > > > > Their children were: > > > > (1) Neeltje, bp 11/29/1702 Kingston RDC > > > > (2) Susanna, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC > > > > (3) Willem, bp 10/31/1708 Kingston RDC > > > > (4) Samuel, bp 1/28/1711 Kingston RDC > > > > (5) Cornelis, bp 4/5/1713 Kingston RDC > > > > (6) Jan, bp 2/19/1716 Kingston RDC > > > > (7) Sara. > > > > > > > > (3003) AERT FYNHOUT, bp 11/16/1679 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. > > Witnesses at this bp were Cornelis Masten and Lysbeth Pels. > > > > > > > > (3004) CORNELIS FYNHOUT, bp 5/25/1682 Kingston RDC, nothing further > known. > > Witnesses were Cornelis Masten and Elkie Aelbertz Rosa. > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:49 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Willard, > > > > > > Thanks for taking the joke in stride; I apologize. I am also a > > descendant > > > of > > > Aert Jacobse & Annatje Gerritse, through their daughter Lysebet who md. > > > Cornelis > > > Masten. I can't pretend to have done serious research on the origins > of > > > the > > > man, but I have seen much of what is known about him, and I am not > > > persuaded > > > that there is a link between he and the Jacob Aertsz (Jacob Adriaensz) > > > Wagenaer > > > who sailed on den Calmer Sleutel Dec. 1637 at the age of 25 as farm > > servant > > > for > > > Albert Andriesz. My doubt has been reinforced by the marriage record at > > > Westbroek: "den 31. Maij 1640 Aert Jacobs j.g: van Acht-thienhoven EV > > > Annetien > > > gerrits van Schaijck j.d: mede van Acht-thienhoven tot West broeck > > > bevesticht > > > den 21. Junij 1640." > > > > > > So there are 2 basic problems with the connection. One, that there > names > > > seem > > > to be of different origin - Wagenaer is occupational, while van Wagenen > > is > > > geographic. Two, that Jacob Aertsz came to Rensselaerwyck as a laborer > > > while > > > his son stayed behind and was married three years later. Clearly, that > > > scenario > > > is possible, but I think this proposed connection has more to do with > the > > > coincidental similarity of their names than the facts or logic of their > > > relationship. > > > > > > The father of Aert Jacobse van Acht-thienhoven may very well be a man > > > named Jacob Aertsz. Sorry, but I have no information on him or his > > > partner. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jim Harder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:02:38 AM > > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > > > > > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > > > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm > > informed > > > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > > > male > > > name. > > > > > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > > > The > > > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was > > born > > > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > > > > > - > > > - > > > - > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > > To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >