ASKIN[G]/GARRISON/LUTEN/MARTINEAU/OLIPHANT; Staten Island & NJ; 1600s+; plus FOUNTAIN/PERRINE/+ Disclaimer: The following posting is highly *speculative*. Please do not take any information that I have presented as *speculative* and present it as proven or probable elsewhere. If you search the archives of this list, you will discover that some of my past *speculations* were eventually proven but many others were not! Hopefully, this posting will eventually generate enough research and analysis to confirm or refute the some of the *speculation* below. One of our favorite list members, Dorothy Koenig, was kind enough to publish the following article in New Netherland Connections this year: Perry Streeter, "Gerrit-1 Jansen Van Oldenburg: DNA Testing Yields More Garrison Descendants in New Jersey & New York; with further records of Johannes-3 Gerritsen (Jan-2 Gerrits, Gerrit-1 Jansen) of Staten Island & Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey as the heretofore unknown father of John-4 Garrison (say 1701-1774) of Amwell Township, New Jersey & Staten Island, New York and the ancestor of the Garrison family of Amwell and Bethlehem Townships in Hunterdon County, New Jersey, probably including Jane (Garrison) Krusen, wife of Derrick/Richard-6 Krusen (Francis-5, Derrick-4, Francis-3, Derrick-2, Garret-1 Croesen) of Greenwood, NY and with insights on the brother-in-law of Johannes-3 Gerritsen, Duncan Oliphant (ca. 1682-1734) of Staten Island & Amwell Township, New Jersey," (January, February, March 2010; Volume 15, Number 1 and April, May, June 2010; volume 15; Number 2). The article, with any additions and corrections, will remain online as... http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~streeter/garrison.pdf As detailed therein on pages 3 and 4, the available evidence uncovered to date suggests that Hester, wife of Johannes/John-3 GERRITSEN/GARRISON (Jan-2 GERRITS, Gerrit-1 Jansen van Oldenburg), and Mary, wife of Duncan OLIPHANT, were *probably* sisters. In any case, it is highly unlikely that Mary (-----) OLIPHANT was a GARRISON, as many have previously assumed based only on the phrase, "my brother-in-law John GARRISON," appearing in Duncan OLIPHANT'S will. Based on the *assumption* that Hester (-----) GARRISON & Mary (-----) OLIPHANT were *probably* sisters and originated on Staten Island, I attempted (in vain) to identify their parents for inclusion in the article. Although Hester is not a rare given name, it is less common than Mary so part of my research attempts included several "what became of Hester so-and-so of Staten Island?" postings to this list, without revealing the ultimate question that I was trying to answer. Pam Sears and many others were very helpful in sorting out potential matches for Hester (-----) GARRISON. Now that the article has been published, I would like revisit one of those postings (that garnered no response at that time) with a research question that I still consider highly *speculative*. Q. Were Hester (-----) GARRISON & Mary (-----) OLIPHANT daughters of Mary-2 (LUTEN/LUTTEN/LUTINE) ASKING/ASKING, who was the daughter of Walraven-1 LUTEN/LUTTEN/LUTINE & Hester DELAHAILL of Staten Island? That Mary-2 LUTEN/LUTTEN/LUTINE (Walraven-1) married John ASKING/ASKIN (of unknown origin) and had children is inferred from her brother's will: Page 75.--ABRAHAM LUTINE. "Richmond County, December ye 2, 1702. I, Abraham LUTINE, being in perfect memory, Praised be God for it." I give to my loving wife, Ann Lutine, one lot of land whereon I now live, joining to Isaac Bellin, with all the rights thereto belonging. I give to John ASKING, Jr., my sister's son, one lot of land being near ye Isenberg, with all the rights thereto belonging. I leave all my lands in East New Jersey to the children of my two sisters, Mary and Hester. I leave to my loving mother 2. I leave to John ASKING, Jr., two horses, and to Abraham Crocheron, son of John Crocheron, one cow. Makes his wife executor. Witnesses, John Stillwell, David De Bon Repos. Proved, December 22, 1702. Source = Abstracts of Wills Vol I 1665-1707, page 357 & 358. *If* John & Mary (LUTEN/LUTINE) ASKING/ASKIN followed traditional patterns when naming their children, those children would have *possibly* included daughters named as follows: 1. Hester [name of maternal grandmother]. >> Q. Did such a daughter exist & marry Johannes/John-3 GERRITSEN/GARRISON? 2. ----- [name of paternal grandmother]. 3. Mary [name of mother]. >> Q. Did such a daughter exist & marry Duncan OLIPHANT? The population of Staten Island was relatively small and geographically confined, so it is impossible to say whether associations developed between families simply because of proximity or associations arose from as-yet-unknown family ties. With that caveat in mind, I share the following observations that may (or may not!) have any bearing on the highly *speculative* research question put forth above. Johannes/John-3 GERRITSEN/GARRISON (Jan-2 GERRITS, Gerrit-1 Jansen van Oldenburg) was born, probably on Staten Island, say 1671 but certainly not later than 1678 (of age by 1699) and perhaps as early as 1667 (father age 25). He married, probably on Staten Island, probably before 1701 (son John-4 GARRISON was born say 1701), HESTER -----. In 1697, his mother, Elisabeth (GYSBERTS) GERRITSEN, widow of Jan-2 GERRITS, bought land from Vincent-2 FOUNTAIN and his mother, Sarah (-----) (FOUNTAIN) LAWRENCE. Vincent-2 FOUNTAIN (Antoine-1) (1682-1731) was the husband of Anne MARTINEAU, who was the daughter of Hester (DELAHAILL) (LUTEN) MARTINEAU by Hester's second husband, Francois-1 MARTINEAU. *If* Hester (-----) GARRISON, wife of Johannes/John-3, was Hester (ASKIN/ASKING) GARRISON as *speculated* above, then she was the half-niece of Anne (MARTINEAU) FOUNTAIN. However, there was also a tangential association between Sarah (-----) (FOUNTAIN) LAWRENCE and Jan-2 GERRITS (Gerrit-1 Jansen van Oldenburg) because Sarah's LAWRENCE/DUYTS/DUYTZEN in-laws were associated with (but not related to) and Gerrit-1 Jansen van Oldenburg and his wife, Clara Matthys, as employees of Jonas Bronck. For more information on this topic, see the following message and those that precede it in the thread available at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2007-07/1184120497 Other descendants of Hester (DELAHAILL) (LUTEN) MARTINEAU married members of the PERINE/PERRINE family. Anne-3 FOUNTAIN, daughter of Vincent-2 FOUNTAIN (Antoine-1) & Anne-2 MARTINEAU (Francois-1) married Henry-3 PERRINE (Peter-1, Daniel-1). Mary MARTINEAU-3 (Stephen-2, Francois-1) married Daniel-3 PERRINE (Daniel-2-1). The PERINE/PERRINE family was also closely associated with the son of Johannes/John-3 & Hester (-----) GARRISON, John-4 GARRISON, and his wife, Hannah -----. On 20 June 1765, when John-4 GARRISON purchased 121 acres on the south side of Staten Island from Edward-4 PERINE (Peter-3, Daniel-2-1) and his wife, Anne -----, for L-940, both parties were identified as residents of Richmond County. This bayside property was also bounded by Edward's brother, Henry PERINE, to the east, the "new road" to the north, and David Latourette to the west. Henry-4 PERINE subsequently served as an Executor to John-4 GARRISON's will and when John-4 GARRISON's widow Hannah subsequently advertised their farm for sale it included the following: "Any person inclining to purchase said farm, may apply to Hannah GARRISON, living on the premises, or Henry PERINE, adjoining the premises, who will give a good title to the purchaser." Clearly, Henry-4 PERINE was a trusted friend of John-4 GARRISON and he was a nephew of Henry-3 & Anne (FOUNTAIN) PERRINE. If* Hester (-----) GARRISON, wife of Johannes/John-3, was Hester (ASKIN/ASKING) GARRISON as *speculated* above, then John-4 GARRISON was the half-first-cousin-once-removed of Anne (FOUNTAIN) PERRINE. For more information, see the Martineau article in The New-York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Vol 134, Number 4, pages 243-253, October 2003" by Peter Faunce Kerr and Marjorie Decker Johnson. On 20 November 1757, Johannis, son of Antoni FOUNTEN & Annaatye GERRITSON was baptized with sponsor, Johannis GERRETSON, in the RDC of Port Richmond, Staten Island. GARRISON and variations thereof is a common Staten Island surname that represents in several unrelated families. I don't think that the GARRISONs cited in this record are descendants of Gerrit-1 Jansen van Oldenburg but I would simply like to know more about them because Antoni FOUNTEN was a grandson of Vincent-2 & Anne (MARTINEAU) FOUNTAIN. The naming pattern observed below suggests that Annatje/Annatye GERRITSEN/GERRITSON may have been the daughter of an unidentified couple named Cornelis & Margaret (-----) GARRISON: "10. Antonie <Anthony> Fonteyn (Rn=27098). He married Annatje <?> Gerritsen Fonteyn (Rn=57063). Source [Early Settlers of Bushwick by Andrew J Provost Junior page 73] Children of Antonie <Anthony> Fonteyn and Annatje <?> Gerritsen were as follows: 22. i. Cornelis <Antonie> Fonteyn was born 1750). [name of maternal grandfather (who predeceased paternal grandfather?)?] 23. ii. Antonie <Antonie> Fonteyn was born 1754). [name of paternal grandfather and father] 24. iii. Margriet <Antonie> Fonteyn was born 1756). [name of maternal grandmother?] 25. iv. Johannes <Antonie> Fonteyn was born 1758). [name of maternal uncle (and sponsor)?]" As copied from http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rclarke/page1/fonte_a2.htm In conclusion to this too-long post, the *speculation* that Hester (-----) GARRISON & Mary (-----) OLIPHANT were granddaughters of Hester (DELAHAILL) (LUTEN) MARTINEAU is admittedly very weak but it is the best working hypothesis that I have been able to develop so far. Any other theories on the possible origins of *probable* sisters Hester (-----) GARRISON & Mary (-----) OLIPHANT will be most welcome! Thanks for your help! Perry www.perry.streeter.com