-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 6:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 6, Issue 49 Today's Topics: 1. Re: NNC (Dorothy Koenig) 2. Re: posting (ROLAND ELLIOTT) 3. Re: NNC (Nora Probasco) 4. Re: posting ([email protected]) 5. Re: Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? (Jerry Vandiver) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:24:40 -0700 From: Dorothy Koenig <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected][66.117.138.54]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dear Nora, I did not SELL "New Netherland Connections" to anyone. It was always a labor of love, and the reasonable subscription price just covered the costs of supplies and principally postage over the years. When I began in 1996 the cost to mail a 28-page issue was 75 cents. By 2010 the postage cost for each issue was $1.22. I very much appreciate NEHGS's request to make the whole body of work available in perpetuity electronically. In addition, I had a policy of giving anyone a free issue to see what the publication was like. I supplied free subscriptions over the years to 50 societies and libraries (where they still may be consulted). Anyone can ask the Allen County Public Library in Indiana for a xerox copy of any article for a very modest fee. As most of you know, subtantial, well-documented articles were published in NNC over the years. No author received any payment for his/her work. As a group, we genealogists are generous, sharing folks. Dorothy >The problem may be that she sold the rights for the NNC to the society. Then >it would be up to them to do it. > >Nora > >On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:56 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> A CD sounds like a super idea, one that would be available to everyone >> interested. Judy >> >> Jun 3, 2011 11:27:12 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> =========================================== >> >> Why not on a CD? That would be a splendid idea! >> >> Jean Boutcher >> >> >> >> --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Chris Chester wrote: >> >> >> From: Chris Chester >> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 10:55 AM >> >> >> Dorothy, >> >> Personally, I would love to see all 15 volumes made available on one >> CD. If the NEHGS (or some other publisher) would do this, and make it >> available at a price commensurate with current CDs of a similar nature >> and size, I would venture to say that you would have a best seller. >> >> Has this ever been looked into or proposed? >> >> Chris Chester >> On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Dorothy Koenig wrote: >> >> > Dear Chris and All, Yes, volumes 1-12 have been available for some >> > time. I recently spoke to the folks at NEHGS, and they said that >> > they are working on indexing volumes 13-15 (which will complete the >> > whole set) and that they will be posted to the database as soon as >> > possible. >> > >> > Dorothy >> > >> >> Terry, >> >> >> >> The NEHGS has made available volumes 1 thru 12 of NNC, to members, at >> >> their website, www.americanancestors.org >> >> >> >> I do have digitized copies in PDF format here at home and send them >> >> to >> >> your e-mail address shortly. >> >> >> >> Volumes 13, 14 and 15, have not yet been added to the NEHGS's online >> >> collection. (Not sure what the hold up is, Vol. 12 was placed online >> >> more than two years ago). >> >> >> >> Chris Chester >> >> On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:30 PM, THJ wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi Dorothy, >> >>> >> >>> Hope you are keeping well! I'm still pursuing the van der Hoeven >> >>> family and wonder if you might still have the following articles >> >>> from >> >>> NNC. I'm happy to pay for copies and postage. >> >>> Abstracts from Notarial Documents in the Amsterdam Archives by Pim >> >>> Nieuwenhuis published in New Netherland Connections in series Vol. >> >>> 4:3,4; Vol. 5:1-3 >> >>> >> >>> Grateful thanks >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Terry Haslam-Jones >> >>> Rossendale >> >>> England >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> >>> the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] >> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> > the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:30:44 -0700 From: ROLAND ELLIOTT <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] posting To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Now I am a son of a son and so fourth 12 times to NE and I was not asked so there On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is great, regarding the new website, I was unaware that it existed. > In addition, Issues of the New Netherlands Connections are on line at the > NEHGS web site, but you can't post to it. Just read them., so wanted to let > you know that. > > Judy Cassidy > > Jun 3, 2011 03:41:47 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > =========================================== > > RE: NNC > > I am a member of NEHGS, but had not noticed the NNC was posted on > there. I want to post info on our Dutch Cousins gathering in Kentucky > coming up this Fall, and our bus tour to New York. > > See you in Harrodsburg, KY, Friday Sept 30 and Saturday Oct 1, 2011, > for the FOURTH Dutch Cousins Gathering! Plan to stay Thursday through > Monday if you can. We will have a business meeting, election of new > officers, and a speaker on Thursday evening Sept 29. Exhibits, > excursion, dinner and speaker Friday evening. We will be at the > Extension center all day Saturday with catered meals (yum -remember > how good they were last year) and on Sunday Oct 2 a brunch followed by > worship at Old Mud and some sort of Veterans Memorial. > > Following that, we will leave on a sentimental and educational bus > journey to Dutch New York. We are almost ready to reveal the exciting > plans for this incredible trip to follow the footprints of our Low > Dutch ancestors back to New Amsterdam. Keep checking my web page - > www.CarolynBLeonard.com > for updates, and we have a new website by Pam Ellingson: > http://www.dutchcousins.info/ > > Hope you can be there for all of it. > > Hugs from your Okie Dutch cousin > Carolyn > > www.CarolynBLeonard.com > Isn't it time you read my books? You know you want to. > Wow! Price drop by Amazon - Download "Whos Your Daddy?" now on Kindle > for $4.99 > http://amzn.to/dTevq8 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:47:38 -0400 From: Nora Probasco <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for the clarification, Dorothy. It is a wonderful magazine! Nora On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Dorothy Koenig <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Nora, I did not SELL "New Netherland Connections" to anyone. > It was always a labor of love, and the reasonable subscription price > just covered the costs of supplies and principally postage over the > years. When I began in 1996 the cost to mail a 28-page issue was 75 > cents. By 2010 the postage cost for each issue was $1.22. I very > much appreciate NEHGS's request to make the whole body of work > available in perpetuity electronically. In addition, I had a policy > of giving anyone a free issue to see what the publication was like. > I supplied free subscriptions over the years to 50 societies and > libraries (where they still may be consulted). Anyone can ask the > Allen County Public Library in Indiana for a xerox copy of any > article for a very modest fee. As most of you know, subtantial, > well-documented articles were published in NNC over the years. No > author received any payment for his/her work. As a group, we > genealogists are generous, sharing folks. > > Dorothy > > >The problem may be that she sold the rights for the NNC to the society. > Then > >it would be up to them to do it. > > > >Nora > > > >On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:56 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> A CD sounds like a super idea, one that would be available to everyone > >> interested. Judy > >> > >> Jun 3, 2011 11:27:12 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> > >> =========================================== > >> > >> Why not on a CD? That would be a splendid idea! > >> > >> Jean Boutcher > >> > >> > >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Chris Chester wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: Chris Chester > >> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 10:55 AM > >> > >> > >> Dorothy, > >> > >> Personally, I would love to see all 15 volumes made available on one > >> CD. If the NEHGS (or some other publisher) would do this, and make it > >> available at a price commensurate with current CDs of a similar nature > >> and size, I would venture to say that you would have a best seller. > >> > >> Has this ever been looked into or proposed? > >> > >> Chris Chester > >> On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Dorothy Koenig wrote: > >> > >> > Dear Chris and All, Yes, volumes 1-12 have been available for some > >> > time. I recently spoke to the folks at NEHGS, and they said that > >> > they are working on indexing volumes 13-15 (which will complete the > >> > whole set) and that they will be posted to the database as soon as > >> > possible. > >> > > >> > Dorothy > >> > > >> >> Terry, > >> >> > >> >> The NEHGS has made available volumes 1 thru 12 of NNC, to members, > at > >> >> their website, www.americanancestors.org > >> >> > >> >> I do have digitized copies in PDF format here at home and send them > >> >> to > >> >> your e-mail address shortly. > >> >> > >> >> Volumes 13, 14 and 15, have not yet been added to the NEHGS's online > >> >> collection. (Not sure what the hold up is, Vol. 12 was placed online > >> >> more than two years ago). > >> >> > >> >> Chris Chester > >> >> On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:30 PM, THJ wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Hi Dorothy, > >> >>> > >> >>> Hope you are keeping well! I'm still pursuing the van der Hoeven > >> >>> family and wonder if you might still have the following articles > >> >>> from > >> >>> NNC. I'm happy to pay for copies and postage. > >> >>> Abstracts from Notarial Documents in the Amsterdam Archives by Pim > >> >>> Nieuwenhuis published in New Netherland Connections in series Vol. > >> >>> 4:3,4; Vol. 5:1-3 > >> >>> > >> >>> Grateful thanks > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Terry Haslam-Jones > >> >>> Rossendale > >> >>> England > >> >>> > >> >>> ------------------------------- > >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >>> [email protected] > >> >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >> >>> the body of the message > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] > >> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >> > the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:57:07 -0500 (CDT) From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] posting To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 You lost me on that one, my reference was to the new Dutch Cousins web site and a response to Carolyn Leanard actually, nothing more. Actually I thought I was responding off line. Judy Cassidy Jun 3, 2011 06:30:50 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== Now I am a son of a son and so fourth 12 times to NE and I was not asked so there On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM, wrote: > > This is great, regarding the new website, I was unaware that it existed. > In addition, Issues of the New Netherlands Connections are on line at the > NEHGS web site, but you can't post to it. Just read them., so wanted to let > you know that. > > Judy Cassidy > > Jun 3, 2011 03:41:47 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > =========================================== > > RE: NNC > > I am a member of NEHGS, but had not noticed the NNC was posted on > there. I want to post info on our Dutch Cousins gathering in Kentucky > coming up this Fall, and our bus tour to New York. > > See you in Harrodsburg, KY, Friday Sept 30 and Saturday Oct 1, 2011, > for the FOURTH Dutch Cousins Gathering! Plan to stay Thursday through > Monday if you can. We will have a business meeting, election of new > officers, and a speaker on Thursday evening Sept 29. Exhibits, > excursion, dinner and speaker Friday evening. We will be at the > Extension center all day Saturday with catered meals (yum -remember > how good they were last year) and on Sunday Oct 2 a brunch followed by > worship at Old Mud and some sort of Veterans Memorial. > > Following that, we will leave on a sentimental and educational bus > journey to Dutch New York. We are almost ready to reveal the exciting > plans for this incredible trip to follow the footprints of our Low > Dutch ancestors back to New Amsterdam. Keep checking my web page - > www.CarolynBLeonard.com > for updates, and we have a new website by Pam Ellingson: > http://www.dutchcousins.info/ > > Hope you can be there for all of it. > > Hugs from your Okie Dutch cousin > Carolyn > > www.CarolynBLeonard.com > Isn't it time you read my books? You know you want to. > Wow! Price drop by Amazon - Download "Whos Your Daddy?" now on Kindle > for $4.99 > http://amzn.to/dTevq8 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Vandiver <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mark, ? First trip to the Netherlands was in 1990. I was in the Marine Corps at the time and we had docked at Tulon on the south coast of France for a month of training with NATO forces. I took two weeks of leave, flew my second ex-wife into Paris and we rode the night train to Amsterdam. We stayed in Amsterdam and traveled to various presumed ancestral home towns over a two week period. As Cor mentioned, nearly everyone spoke English, everyone was friendly and my wife and I never got a second glance (ex-wives #2 & 3 are both Black). Went to the municipality of Egmont and town of Voorhout, supposed origins of ancestor Cornelius Segerszen. Spent a day in Alkmaar where it would appear was origins of ancestor Lyzbeth Tyssen, wife of Maryn Adrianszen (van Veere). All three wonderful places, but we only spent a day in each. ? Emphasis was on Veere, Kloetinge and Wemeldinge in Zeeland. It is assumed that ancestor Maryn Adriaenszen was from Veere as well as ancestor Jacop Van der Veer who settled on the South River. Cornelius Janszen Dominicus who adopted the surname Vanderveer when he immigrated to the colony and settled on Long Island was born in Kloetinge. His brother Jacob Janszen Dominicus is found in documents as owing Cornelius money for the sale of property in Wemeldinge. I have not found a connection to the Long Island Vanderveers, I work on any family with the surname Vanderveer by any spelling. Had I known at the time that Michael Paulszen van der Voort was direct ancestor of more than a third of Vandiver?s today, I would have ventured over into Belgium as well. ? When we got there, it was explained to us that Veere was not really a town anymore. Something more akin to a living museum with a scant few residents and a yacht club. The town hall, church, etc. have all been restored and maintained. There is an area where all the Scots lived, the Lords Van Veere (the van Borssellen family) had intermarried with the Stuarts and conducted trade directly for many years. ? Our trip to Veere was entertaining. First took the train from Amsterdam to Roosendaal where we had to change to a train going to Middelburg. Roosendaal was extremely beautiful, flowers everywhere, very nice but we were on a schedule and couldn?t look around for long. When we got to Middelburg we found that we had to take a bus out to Veere. It was really hot and we had to wait for an hour, so we went into a small bar across from the bus stop. When we walked in it was like one of those old Western movies where the piano stops playing, the room goes silent ? everyone turned and looked at us. My wife nudged me and whispered that maybe we should go back to the bus stop, so we turned around to leave and the bar tender asked me something in Dutch. I turned back and answered that I didn?t speak Dutch and a gentleman sitting at the bar said she wanted to know if we were English or American. I told him American and immediately the piano started playing again and everyone went back to their conversations, darts, etc. ? The gentleman at the bar invited us to sit with him at a booth and we talked with him for about an hour. It turned out that he had served in the Dutch Royal Marines and had trained with American Marines a couple times. When we were about to go out to catch the bus I asked him what would have happened if we had been English! He smiled and said that we probably would have been stoned to death in the square. HA! ? Jerry D. Vandiver --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Mark E. Dixon <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mark E. Dixon <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? To: [email protected] Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 1:33 PM Thanks, Cor.? I was mainly interested in others' experiences -- what they found and how they went about finding them. As an example, however, let's take Cornelis Maessen Van Buren (1610-1648), the progenitor of the Van Buren family, the ancestor of President Van Buren (and me).? He's commonly traced to the village of Burmalsen, near Buren from which he took his name.? Since one of his descendants became president of the United States, I'm guessing that he is my Dutch ancestor most likely to have his homesite marked in some way.? Is it?? I have no clue.? (Google Earth allowed me to virtually walk through a very neat -- though not particularly old looking -- little village.) I know that English is commonly spoken in the Netherlands -- especially in big cities like Rotterdam and Amsterdam.? Out in the villages, however, that may be less true. Mark -------------------------------------------------- From: "cor snabel" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 4:02 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? > Hi Mark, > >> I'm wondering if anyone has visited the Netherlands and found any trace >> of >> his/her 17th Century Dutch ancestor? > > You have to be more specific, what do you want to find, which cities > do you want to visit, etc. > The language will be no problem, almost everyone in the Netherlands > speaks English. > > Regards > Cor Snabel > The Netherlands > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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