My ancestors Cozyn Gerritsen Cozyn and Vroutje Gerrits had five children baptized in NA DRChurch. Children of Cozyn Gerritszen and Vroutje Gerrits: Child: Gerrit. Parents: Cozyn Gerrits, Vrouwtie Cozyns. Bp: 20 May 1640. New Amsterdam DRCh. Wits: Aert Theunis, Aert Willems, Tryntje Everts, Wyntje Elberts. [NYDC 2:10] Married: Belitje Quick Child: Margariet. Parent: Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 5 May 1641. New Amsterdam DRCh. [NYDC 2:12] Wits: Jacob van curlaer en syn huys v, Barent dircksz. Baecker, Rachel Vigne. Married: (1) Herman Theuniszeen (2) Jan Pietersen Haring. See below. (3) Daniel DeClark. Child: Hendrick. Parent: Couzyn Gerritszen. Bp: 20 Jan 1647. New Amsterdam DRCh. [NYDC 2:21] Wits: Sibert Claeszen, en syn huys vr., Teunis Nyssen, en syn huys vr., Cornelis Corneliszen. Child: Geertje. Parent. Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 4 July 1649. New Amsterdam DRCh. [NYDC 2:26] Wits; Thomas Hall, Geurt Koerten, Herman Smeeman, Pytie Jans, Geertje Koerten. Married: Andries Jeuriaensz Child: Elsje. Parent: Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 19 May 1652. New Amsterdam DRCh. [NYDC 2:31] Wits: Nicolaes Verleth, Hendrick Janszen, Lyntie Jochems, Belitje Cornelis. This query concerns their daughter Margariet, bp 5 May 1641 who married (1) Herman Theuniszen 19 April 1654 and (2) Jan Pietersen Haring in 1662 (3) Daniel DeClark 4 March 1685. * * A Brief Timeline on Margariet aka Grietje Cozyn.* * 5 May 1641. Baptism: Child: Margariet d/o Cozyn Gerritzen was bp 5 May 1641. [NYDC 2:12] 19 April 1654. Marriage: Grietje Cosyns to (1) Herman Theuniszen VanZell 19 April 1654. [NYDC 1:18] The above Margariet is 12 years, 11 months old. 6 Sept 1655. Hendrick Pietersen, plft vs Grietie Cosyns, deft. [RNA v2:160] Pltf. says, deft. made use of his horse, and rode thereon, and also let it stray in the woods. Requests, that she be condemned to search for the horse and deliver it to him when found, at her own expense. Deft. says, pltf’s horse broke into her buckwheat, and as she wished to lead him from her land she sat on him and brought him to the Fresh Water, to prevent any further damage. Maintains that she is not bound to satisfy pltf’s demand. Parties being heard, it was decided by the Court that the deft was justified to bring the horse from her land to prevent damage. Wherefore pltf’s demand is dismissed. Minutes of the Court of Burgomasters and Schepens 1653-1655 [RNA V1:352,353] EKK: The above Margariet is 14 years, four months and a married woman of one year, four months. Did Hendrick Pietersen take a child to court? Is that legal? Why isn't her husband with her or mentioned in the court record? It mentions 'her buckwheat' and "her land" Did she own land? It is a hard to believe story for a 14 year old child. 24 Feb 1658. Grietje Cozyn becomes a mother. The above Margariet is 16 years, nine months. Witsuntide 1662. Margarette Cozine married (2) Jan Haring. [Bible record]. She has seven children. 4 March 1685. Grietie Cozyns married (3) Daniel De Clark. NYDC 1:56] No issue. -------------------------- There are many excellent articles and genealogies by respected researchers on the Harings. Plus the Harings are mentioned in many many deeds, wills, church and court records etc. BUT I find it hard to believe that a child 12 years, 11 months old, married Theuniszen VanZell on 19 April 1654 and married by a Dutch Reformed minister. 'It don't fit' It was suggested that Margariet/Grietje was born earlier than her brother Gerrit who was bp: 20 May 1640. IF Cozyn Gerritsen Cozyn and Vroutje Gerrits had a child Margariet/Grietje born say 1637, she would be about 16/17 at marriage, still young, but believable. BUT, if the parents had a child Margariet/Grietje in 1637, that child had to die young to name another child Margariet/Grietje on 5 May 1641. Any and all suggestions welcome. Best regards, Ethel Kay Konight

My thought is that Margariet, baptized 1641 was perhaps a few years old at the time of her baptism. The NYC Ref Ch record does not give a date of birth. Is there any other mention of her date of birth or age in any other records? I think because it was, at that period, the norm to baptize infants soon after their births, it has always been generally accepted that if she was baptized in 1641, she was born in 1641. I'm thinking that since Vrouwtje apparently made trips to the Netherlands and back, perhaps this child had been born in the Netherlands, and remained there when Cozyn Gerritszen & Vrouwtje first came to New Netherland. Perhaps, in this scenario, her mother brought her to New Amsterdam in a "return" trip, and had her baptized there in 1641 (when she was a few years old). It seems a better solution than the drastically young child bride theory. I don't know how this could ever be proved, though. What I would really like to see is a separate documented mention of her birth date or age at any given time. Pat On Jun 4, 2011, at 10:31 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > My ancestors Cozyn Gerritsen Cozyn and Vroutje Gerrits had five > children > baptized in NA DRChurch. > > Children of Cozyn Gerritszen and Vroutje > Gerrits: > Child: Gerrit. Parents: Cozyn Gerrits, Vrouwtie Cozyns. Bp: 20 May > 1640. > New Amsterdam DRCh. > Wits: Aert Theunis, Aert Willems, Tryntje Everts, Wyntje Elberts. > [NYDC > 2:10] > Married: Belitje Quick > Child: Margariet. Parent: Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 5 May 1641. New > Amsterdam > DRCh. [NYDC 2:12] > Wits: Jacob van curlaer en syn huys v, Barent dircksz. Baecker, > Rachel > Vigne. > Married: (1) Herman Theuniszeen (2) Jan Pietersen Haring. See > below. > (3) Daniel DeClark. > Child: Hendrick. Parent: Couzyn Gerritszen. Bp: 20 Jan 1647. New > Amsterdam > DRCh. [NYDC 2:21] > Wits: Sibert Claeszen, en syn huys vr., Teunis Nyssen, en syn huys > vr., > Cornelis Corneliszen. > Child: Geertje. Parent. Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 4 July 1649. New > Amsterdam > DRCh. [NYDC 2:26] > Wits; Thomas Hall, Geurt Koerten, Herman Smeeman, Pytie Jans, Geertje > Koerten. > Married: Andries Jeuriaensz > Child: Elsje. Parent: Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 19 May 1652. New > Amsterdam > DRCh. [NYDC 2:31] > Wits: Nicolaes Verleth, Hendrick Janszen, Lyntie Jochems, Belitje > Cornelis. > > This query concerns their daughter Margariet, bp 5 May 1641 who > married > (1) Herman Theuniszen 19 April 1654 and (2) Jan Pietersen Haring in > 1662 > (3) Daniel DeClark 4 March 1685. > > * * A Brief Timeline on > Margariet aka Grietje Cozyn.* * > > > > > 5 May 1641. Baptism: Child: Margariet d/o Cozyn Gerritzen was bp > 5 May > 1641. [NYDC 2:12] > > 19 April 1654. Marriage: Grietje Cosyns to (1) Herman Theuniszen > VanZell > 19 April 1654. [NYDC 1:18] > The above Margariet is 12 years, 11 months old. > > 6 Sept 1655. Hendrick Pietersen, plft vs Grietie Cosyns, deft. [RNA > v2:160] > > Pltf. says, deft. made use of his horse, and rode thereon, and also > let it > stray in the woods. Requests, that she be condemned to search for > the > horse and deliver it to him when found, at her own expense. Deft. > says, pltf’s > horse broke into her buckwheat, and as she wished to lead him from > her > land she sat on him and brought him to the Fresh Water, to prevent > any further > damage. Maintains that she is not bound to satisfy pltf’s demand. > Parties > being heard, it was decided by the Court that the deft was > justified to > bring the horse from her land to prevent damage. Wherefore pltf’s > demand is > dismissed. > Minutes of the Court of Burgomasters and Schepens 1653-1655 [RNA > V1:352,353] > EKK: The above Margariet is 14 years, four months and a married > woman of > one year, four months. > Did Hendrick Pietersen take a child to court? Is that > legal? Why > isn't her husband with her or > mentioned in the court record? It mentions 'her buckwheat' > and > "her land" Did she own land? > It is a hard to believe story for a 14 year old child. > > 24 Feb 1658. Grietje Cozyn becomes a mother. > The above Margariet is 16 years, nine months. > > Witsuntide 1662. Margarette Cozine married (2) Jan Haring. [Bible > record]. She has seven children. > > 4 March 1685. Grietie Cozyns married (3) Daniel De Clark. NYDC 1:56] > No issue. > -------------------------- > There are many excellent articles and genealogies by respected > researchers > on the Harings. Plus the Harings are mentioned in many many deeds, > wills, > church and court records etc. BUT I find it hard to believe that > a child > 12 years, 11 months old, married Theuniszen VanZell on 19 April > 1654 and > married by a Dutch Reformed minister. 'It don't fit' > > It was suggested that Margariet/Grietje was born earlier than her > brother > Gerrit who was bp: 20 May 1640. IF Cozyn Gerritsen Cozyn and Vroutje > Gerrits had a child Margariet/Grietje born say 1637, she would be > about 16/17 at > marriage, still young, but believable. BUT, if the parents had a > child > Margariet/Grietje in 1637, that child had to die young to name > another child > Margariet/Grietje on 5 May 1641. > > Any and all suggestions welcome. Best regards, Ethel Kay > Konight > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hugo Grotius, the famous 17th-century jurist and expert on Roman-Dutch law, stated that 12 was the minimum legal age for girls to marry. He later added that girls under 20 required the permission of a parent to marry. When writing my ph.d dissertation on the Haring family, I asked Howard Durie's oOpinion on Grietje's age at marriage and whether it could have been a mistake in the records. He did not think so. He said Grietje was "precocious" in more ways than one. Under Roman- Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2011, at 10:31 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > My ancestors Cozyn Gerritsen Cozyn and Vroutje Gerrits had five children > baptized in NA DRChurch. > > Children of Cozyn Gerritszen and Vroutje > Gerrits: > Child: Gerrit. Parents: Cozyn Gerrits, Vrouwtie Cozyns. Bp: 20 May 1640. > New Amsterdam DRCh. > Wits: Aert Theunis, Aert Willems, Tryntje Everts, Wyntje Elberts. [NYDC > 2:10] > Married: Belitje Quick > Child: Margariet. Parent: Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 5 May 1641. New Amsterdam > DRCh. [NYDC 2:12] > Wits: Jacob van curlaer en syn huys v, Barent dircksz. Baecker, Rachel > Vigne. > Married: (1) Herman Theuniszeen (2) Jan Pietersen Haring. See below. > (3) Daniel DeClark. > Child: Hendrick. Parent: Couzyn Gerritszen. Bp: 20 Jan 1647. New Amsterdam > DRCh. [NYDC 2:21] > Wits: Sibert Claeszen, en syn huys vr., Teunis Nyssen, en syn huys vr., > Cornelis Corneliszen. > Child: Geertje. Parent. Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 4 July 1649. New Amsterdam > DRCh. [NYDC 2:26] > Wits; Thomas Hall, Geurt Koerten, Herman Smeeman, Pytie Jans, Geertje > Koerten. > Married: Andries Jeuriaensz > Child: Elsje. Parent: Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 19 May 1652. New Amsterdam > DRCh. [NYDC 2:31] > Wits: Nicolaes Verleth, Hendrick Janszen, Lyntie Jochems, Belitje Cornelis. > > This query concerns their daughter Margariet, bp 5 May 1641 who married > (1) Herman Theuniszen 19 April 1654 and (2) Jan Pietersen Haring in 1662 > (3) Daniel DeClark 4 March 1685. > > * * A Brief Timeline on > Margariet aka Grietje Cozyn.* * > > > > > 5 May 1641. Baptism: Child: Margariet d/o Cozyn Gerritzen was bp 5 May > 1641. [NYDC 2:12] > > 19 April 1654. Marriage: Grietje Cosyns to (1) Herman Theuniszen VanZell > 19 April 1654. [NYDC 1:18] > The above Margariet is 12 years, 11 months old. > > 6 Sept 1655. Hendrick Pietersen, plft vs Grietie Cosyns, deft. [RNA > v2:160] > > Pltf. says, deft. made use of his horse, and rode thereon, and also let it > stray in the woods. Requests, that she be condemned to search for the > horse and deliver it to him when found, at her own expense. Deft. says, pltf’s > horse broke into her buckwheat, and as she wished to lead him from her > land she sat on him and brought him to the Fresh Water, to prevent any further > damage. Maintains that she is not bound to satisfy pltf’s demand. Parties > being heard, it was decided by the Court that the deft was justified to > bring the horse from her land to prevent damage. Wherefore pltf’s demand is > dismissed. > Minutes of the Court of Burgomasters and Schepens 1653-1655 [RNA > V1:352,353] > EKK: The above Margariet is 14 years, four months and a married woman of > one year, four months. > Did Hendrick Pietersen take a child to court? Is that legal? Why > isn't her husband with her or > mentioned in the court record? It mentions 'her buckwheat' and > "her land" Did she own land? > It is a hard to believe story for a 14 year old child. > > 24 Feb 1658. Grietje Cozyn becomes a mother. > The above Margariet is 16 years, nine months. > > Witsuntide 1662. Margarette Cozine married (2) Jan Haring. [Bible > record]. She has seven children. > > 4 March 1685. Grietie Cozyns married (3) Daniel De Clark. NYDC 1:56] > No issue. > -------------------------- > There are many excellent articles and genealogies by respected researchers > on the Harings. Plus the Harings are mentioned in many many deeds, wills, > church and court records etc. BUT I find it hard to believe that a child > 12 years, 11 months old, married Theuniszen VanZell on 19 April 1654 and > married by a Dutch Reformed minister. 'It don't fit' > > It was suggested that Margariet/Grietje was born earlier than her brother > Gerrit who was bp: 20 May 1640. IF Cozyn Gerritsen Cozyn and Vroutje > Gerrits had a child Margariet/Grietje born say 1637, she would be about 16/17 at > marriage, still young, but believable. BUT, if the parents had a child > Margariet/Grietje in 1637, that child had to die young to name another child > Margariet/Grietje on 5 May 1641. > > Any and all suggestions welcome. Best regards, Ethel Kay Konight > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message