I need to make a correction in the citation I gave. It should be page 305 and here is what it actually says. Note the year is 1654, the same year of George (Jurriaen) Probatski's transport. B. Fernow, *Documents Relating to the Colonial History of New York*,” Weed, Parsons & Co., Albany, NY, 1883, Vol. XIV, pg 305: 27. The invoices and bills of lading of goods and merchandise shipped in the "Grote Christoffel" by private traders is here enclosed. The Fiscal is herewith directed to keep a good watch, when this ship discharges her cargo, that the Company may not be defrauded of her dues. Herewith etc etc Amsterdam, The Directors of the W. I. Company 23d of Novbr, 1654. Department of Amsterdam David van Baerle. Abr. Wilmerdonx. 28. We enclose the muster-roll of the soldiers, coming over in the "Grote Christoffel." We have made great endeavors to obtain a large number, but could not succeed on account of the recruiting by the East India Company. You will take care and direct, that the accounts of such as come with their wives and children are duly debited with the passage money of their families, beside their arms and two months' pay paid in advance, for the Company, as you know, has to pay the passage for these women and children here. Besides a master carpenter, a gunner and a boatswain, we send you also in the said ship a quantity of pioneers' and other tools, as per invoice. By order of the said Directors A. B. De Decker, Jun. So from reading this it looks like George (Jurriaen) Probatski's family accompanied him, and their passage was paid for by the WIC, with the possibility he may have had to pay for their food. Nora On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Howard Swain <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Nora, > > If you look at Documents Relative ... vol I, pp. 643 - 645, > you will see a long list of "Estimated Expenses of sending a Colony > to the Delaware River". dated 1656. > It lists all kinds of clothing. Eg. first item is 400 pairs of shoes for > 500 fl. > Shirts were 1.8 fl. each. > Later are costs for muskets, swords, powder, etc. > Muskets were 4.5 fl each. > > As to the voyage, typical was 36 fl per adult, half fare for younger > children, and nothing for nursing babies. My impression is that this > was mostly, if not, entirely for the food they ate. > > Regards, > Howard > [email protected] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nora Probasco" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 5:06 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Question > > > I am writing a history of George (Jurriaen) Probatski, and in a notarial > document he agreed to repay 130 Carolus gulden or guilders to equip > himself. > That seems a bit high for that purpose. I am trying to figure out how he > brought his family over and was wondering if it might also be included in > that amount, though it is not stated in the notarial document. > > Or whether the WIC paid for their passage per the following info, though > this covered a few years later: > > “Documents Relating to the Colonial History of New York,” B. Fernow, > (c)1883, vol XIV, pg 304: > Soldiers and their families… > "The muster roll of the soldiers coming over, we have made great endeavors > to obtain a larger number, but could not succeed on account of the > recruiting by the East India Company. You will take care and direct, that > the accounts of such as come with their wives and children are duly debited > with the passage money of their families, besides their arms and two > months' > pay paid in advance, for the Company, as you know, has to pay the passage > for these women and children here. Besides a master carpenter, a gunner and > a boatswain, we send you also in the said ship a quantity of tools as per > invoice." > > Nora > > > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Howard Swain <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Nora, > > > > From: "Nora Probasco" <[email protected]> > > To: "Dutch Colonies" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 3:48 PM > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Question > > > > > > > Would an amount of one hundred and thirty carolus guldens be considered > > > a > > > large amount in 1654? > > > > > > Nora > > > > I assume "carolus gulden" is the same as a Carolus guilder. > > The Carolus guilder was equal to 1.5 regular guilders. > > So, your 130 would be about 200 guilders = 200 florins. > > > > I think the best way to compare money amounts over a long time > > span, is to look at how long a person would have to work to earn > > that much. > > > > William Hoffman in Random Notes Concerning Settlers of Dutch Descent > > in TAG vol 29, pp. 65 -76 shows that a farm hands earned about > > 100 to 150 guilders per year. If you scan down the notarial records > > in NNC vol 5 you will see that this is a very good estimate. I see > > many men contracting to work for about 120 guilders per year. > > > > You can also look at prices. Hoffman has that a mare cost 200 gl. > > > > Regards, > > Howard > > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >