Hi Chris, Thanks for including info on the Harry Macy article on my ancestors Aeltje Braconie and Maria Badie in the NYGBR 142 (2011):21. Will check that out at the library tomorrow. Yes, from my records, Magdalena Verdon had fifteen children between 1646 and 1678, oooh, that's 32 child bearing years. Every woman reading this has the same thoughts. Unprintable. Per my records, 14 children survived and left descendants. The fifteenth child, Daniel, was named in father's will dated 1692/93 but I have nothing further in my records. I have not seen the article but I see where Harry Macy is probably coming from and reached the conclusion that she was probably aged 13 at marriage. Must check Google to see the age of oldest woman to give birth to a child. Best regards, Ethel Kay Konight = = = = = = = = = = = = In a message dated 6/4/2011 [email protected] writes: Regarding the apparent age of 12y 11m for Margriet at the time of her first marriage, I would add for your consideration the article, "Some New Light on Aeltje Braconie and Maria Badie," by Harry Macy, Jr., published in NYGBR 142 (2011):21, in which he states the case for Magdalena Verdon being only age 13 at the time of her marriage on 21 March 1645 (RDC New Amsterdam). Although, there is no baptism record for Magdalena, and her age of 13 is based upon the assumption that she gave birth to a son, Daniel, in 1678, the article does accept the premise that a girl could be married as young as 13 during the earlier part of the 17th century in New Netherland, when it was governed by the Dutch. If nothing else, the point here, is that a marriage of a girl at the young age of 13, is within the realm of the possible for Margriet's time and place. Regards, Chris Chester On Jun 4, 2011, at 10:31 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > My ancestors Cozyn Gerritsen Cozyn and Vroutje Gerrits had five > children > baptized in NA DRChurch. > > Children of Cozyn Gerritszen and Vroutje > Gerrits: > Child: Gerrit. Parents: Cozyn Gerrits, Vrouwtie Cozyns. Bp: 20 May > 1640. > New Amsterdam DRCh. > Wits: Aert Theunis, Aert Willems, Tryntje Everts, Wyntje Elberts. > [NYDC > 2:10] > Married: Belitje Quick > Child: Margariet. Parent: Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 5 May 1641. New > Amsterdam > DRCh. [NYDC 2:12] > Wits: Jacob van curlaer en syn huys v, Barent dircksz. Baecker, > Rachel > Vigne. > Married: (1) Herman Theuniszeen (2) Jan Pietersen Haring. See > below. > (3) Daniel DeClark. > Child: Hendrick. Parent: Couzyn Gerritszen. Bp: 20 Jan 1647. New > Amsterdam > DRCh. [NYDC 2:21] > Wits: Sibert Claeszen, en syn huys vr., Teunis Nyssen, en syn huys > vr., > Cornelis Corneliszen. > Child: Geertje. Parent. Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 4 July 1649. New > Amsterdam > DRCh. [NYDC 2:26] > Wits; Thomas Hall, Geurt Koerten, Herman Smeeman, Pytie Jans, Geertje > Koerten. > Married: Andries Jeuriaensz > Child: Elsje. Parent: Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 19 May 1652. New > Amsterdam > DRCh. [NYDC 2:31] > Wits: Nicolaes Verleth, Hendrick Janszen, Lyntie Jochems, Belitje > Cornelis. > > This query concerns their daughter Margariet, bp 5 May 1641 who > married > (1) Herman Theuniszen 19 April 1654 and (2) Jan Pietersen Haring in > 1662 > (3) Daniel DeClark 4 March 1685. > > * * A Brief Timeline on > Margariet aka Grietje Cozyn.* * > > > > > 5 May 1641. Baptism: Child: Margariet d/o Cozyn Gerritzen was bp > 5 May > 1641. [NYDC 2:12] > > 19 April 1654. Marriage: Grietje Cosyns to (1) Herman Theuniszen > VanZell > 19 April 1654. [NYDC 1:18] > The above Margariet is 12 years, 11 months old. > > 6 Sept 1655. Hendrick Pietersen, plft vs Grietie Cosyns, deft. [RNA > v2:160] > > Pltf. says, deft. made use of his horse, and rode thereon, and also > let it > stray in the woods. Requests, that she be condemned to search for > the > horse and deliver it to him when found, at her own expense. Deft. > says, pltf’s > horse broke into her buckwheat, and as she wished to lead him from > her > land she sat on him and brought him to the Fresh Water, to prevent > any further > damage. Maintains that she is not bound to satisfy pltf’s demand. > Parties > being heard, it was decided by the Court that the deft was > justified to > bring the horse from her land to prevent damage. Wherefore pltf’s > demand is > dismissed. > Minutes of the Court of Burgomasters and Schepens 1653-1655 [RNA > V1:352,353] > EKK: The above Margariet is 14 years, four months and a married > woman of > one year, four months. > Did Hendrick Pietersen take a child to court? Is that > legal? Why > isn't her husband with her or > mentioned in the court record? It mentions 'her buckwheat' > and > "her land" Did she own land? > It is a hard to believe story for a 14 year old child. > > 24 Feb 1658. Grietje Cozyn becomes a mother. > The above Margariet is 16 years, nine months. > > Witsuntide 1662. Margarette Cozine married (2) Jan Haring. [Bible > record]. She has seven children. > > 4 March 1685. Grietie Cozyns married (3) Daniel De Clark. NYDC 1:56] > No issue. > -------------------------- > There are many excellent articles and genealogies by respected > researchers > on the Harings. Plus the Harings are mentioned in many many deeds, > wills, > church and court records etc. BUT I find it hard to believe that > a child > 12 years, 11 months old, married Theuniszen VanZell on 19 April > 1654 and > married by a Dutch Reformed minister. 'It don't fit' > > It was suggested that Margariet/Grietje was born earlier than her > brother > Gerrit who was bp: 20 May 1640. IF Cozyn Gerritsen Cozyn and Vroutje > Gerrits had a child Margariet/Grietje born say 1637, she would be > about 16/17 at > marriage, still young, but believable. BUT, if the parents had a > child > Margariet/Grietje in 1637, that child had to die young to name > another child > Margariet/Grietje on 5 May 1641. > > Any and all suggestions welcome. Best regards, Ethel Kay > Konight >

A 32-year career of childbearing is easily possible. Even if a woman has her first child at eighteen, 32 years later she would only be 50, which is rather a minimum age for menopause. While childbearing at age 50 may perhaps be undesirable, it's not inconceivable, so to speak. Liz J On 4 June 2011 18:13, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > Thanks for including info on the Harry Macy article on my  ancestors > Aeltje Braconie and Maria Badie in the  NYGBR 142  (2011):21.  Will check that > out at the library tomorrow.   Yes,  from my records, Magdalena Verdon had > fifteen children between 1646 and  1678,  oooh,  that's 32 child bearing years. >  Every  woman reading this has the same thoughts.  Unprintable.  Per my > records, 14 children survived and left descendants. The fifteenth child, > Daniel, was named in father's will dated 1692/93 but I have nothing  further in > my records.   I have not seen the article but I  see where Harry Macy is > probably  coming from and reached  the conclusion that she was probably aged > 13 at marriage.  Must check  Google to see the age of  oldest woman to give > birth to a  child. > > Best regards,   Ethel Kay Konight > > = = = = = = = = = = = = > In a message dated 6/4/2011  [email protected] writes: > > Regarding the apparent age of 12y 11m for Margriet at the time of  her > first marriage, I would add for your consideration the article,  "Some > New Light on Aeltje Braconie and Maria Badie," by Harry Macy,  Jr., > published in NYGBR 142 (2011):21, in which he states the case  for > Magdalena Verdon being only age 13 at the time of her marriage  on 21 > March 1645 (RDC New Amsterdam). > > Although, there is no  baptism record for Magdalena, and her age of 13 > is based upon the  assumption that she gave birth to a son, Daniel, in > 1678, the  article does accept the premise that a girl could be married > as  young as 13 during the earlier part of the 17th century in New > Netherland, when it was governed by the Dutch. > > If nothing else, the  point here, is that a marriage of a girl at the > young age of 13, is  within the realm of the possible for Margriet's > time and  place. > > Regards, > Chris Chester