Thank you so much. Question: What does b. and l. mean So Maria is most likely the daughter of Martin Cornelise Van Buren?? Thanks, Dawn -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SShreeve Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:37 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VANDEN BERG/VAN BUREN >From the records of the Albany Reformed Dutch Church: 1702, Nov. 21. Reg. Cornelis Gerritse Van den Berg, y.m., and Maria Van Bueren, wid. of Jan Teewisse Van Deuse, both b. and l. in Col. R. Ma., r Dec. 20, at h. of Mayor, Albert Rykman. Cornelis Van den Berg's father was Gerrit Gybertse Van den Berg. My notes on him: In 1663 he lived in Beverwyck, Albany, NY, as a servant to Jan Barent WEMP and was a commissioner of Kinderhook, Albany, NY, in 1686. In 1662 removed to farm of Martin Cornelise Van Buren on west side of river south of Albany, NY, and in records up to 1685; his occupation was a farmer. Source is page 11 of "The Van Den Berghs in America" compiled by D. Wade Stockman, and potter@capital.net, Ruth Potter. I have brief notes on Pieter: PAR: William Waldron and Engeltie Stoutenbrught (of NY) (VAN HIS 001) CHR: Witnesses Pieter Stoutenburg and Aeltie Walkdron (VAN HIS 067) Sally Idaho -----Original Message----- From: dgoldens3@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 5:19 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VANDEN BERG/VAN BUREN HI, I am trying to find more information on my 9th great grandparents. Their names were: Cornelius Vanden Bergh Marial Van Buren I am direct granddaughter thru their daughter: Tryntje Cornelis Vanden Bergh She was married to Pieter Waldron - grandson of Resolved Waldron. I don't know much about them. I suspect that they were alive around early 1700s? Any suggestions would be great. Dawn Wisconsin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6223 - Release Date: 04/03/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date.

I think it probably means born and living in Colonial Rensselaerwyck Manor. Are you sure that these are the parents of your Tryntje? I have the parents of the Tryntje who married Pieter Waldron as Cornelius Gysbertse Van Den Bergh and Cornelia Van Der Poel, but I could be wrong. His will dated 3 Mar 1714 and proved 6 July 1717. Mentions his wife, their children, real property in the cities of Albany and New York City, and a home farm on the east side of the Hudson River, 1 mile back into the woods. The children listed in order from the will were Gysbert, Gerrit, Cornelia, Tryntje, Maritje, Cornelia, Mathias, Gertje, Wynant, and Goosen. I only have one child listed for Cornelis and Maria (although there are probably more) so I can't help with that Tryntje but I do have some history going back on either line. Probably someone else on the list can help with parents. I have Maria as the daughter of Maas Cornelius Van Buren. Maria was the sister of Pieter Martense Van Buren who was the great-grandfather of Pesident Martin Van Buren. Sally -----Original Message----- From: dgoldens3@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:34 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VANDEN BERG/VAN BUREN Thank you so much. Question: What does b. and l. mean So Maria is most likely the daughter of Martin Cornelise Van Buren?? Thanks, Dawn -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SShreeve Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:37 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VANDEN BERG/VAN BUREN >From the records of the Albany Reformed Dutch Church: 1702, Nov. 21. Reg. Cornelis Gerritse Van den Berg, y.m., and Maria Van Bueren, wid. of Jan Teewisse Van Deuse, both b. and l. in Col. R. Ma., r Dec. 20, at h. of Mayor, Albert Rykman. Cornelis Van den Berg's father was Gerrit Gybertse Van den Berg. My notes on him: In 1663 he lived in Beverwyck, Albany, NY, as a servant to Jan Barent WEMP and was a commissioner of Kinderhook, Albany, NY, in 1686. In 1662 removed to farm of Martin Cornelise Van Buren on west side of river south of Albany, NY, and in records up to 1685; his occupation was a farmer. Source is page 11 of "The Van Den Berghs in America" compiled by D. Wade Stockman, and potter@capital.net, Ruth Potter. I have brief notes on Pieter: PAR: William Waldron and Engeltie Stoutenbrught (of NY) (VAN HIS 001) CHR: Witnesses Pieter Stoutenburg and Aeltie Walkdron (VAN HIS 067) Sally Idaho -----Original Message----- From: dgoldens3@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 5:19 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VANDEN BERG/VAN BUREN HI, I am trying to find more information on my 9th great grandparents. Their names were: Cornelius Vanden Bergh Marial Van Buren I am direct granddaughter thru their daughter: Tryntje Cornelis Vanden Bergh She was married to Pieter Waldron - grandson of Resolved Waldron. I don't know much about them. I suspect that they were alive around early 1700s? Any suggestions would be great. Dawn Wisconsin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6223 - Release Date: 04/03/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Renee, > In Rutgert's will, Ann Holsaert is usually thought by > Holsaert researchers to have been a married daughter of Rutgert. First, some background that may be helpful regarding Johannes Holsaert II (son of the immigrant Johannes Holsaert), who is usually proposed as the father-in-law of Ann Waldron: I think the conclusion that Ann Holsaert was a married daughter of Rutger was probably drawn, in part, because of the supposed marriage date of Johannes Holsaert to Debby Blake on 11 October 1686. As far as I can tell this was originally stated by Teunis Bergin in: "Register in Alphabetical Order, of the Early Settlers of Kings County, Long Island, N. Y., from Its First Settlement by Europeans to 1700, With Contributions to Their Biographies and Genealogies, Comp. from Various Sources" by Teunis G. Bergen, pg 150. There Bergen assigns this as the 2nd marriage of the immigrant, Johannes Holsaert. However, other evidence shows that his first wife, Johanna Havens did not die until much later. It seems that some researchers realized the discrepancy and thought the marriage must be of his son, Johannes Holsaert II, who must then have been born about 1658, see http://hulsenet.net/8.html In fact, the marriage appears to have been of his great-grandson, John Holsaert, who married a Deborah Blake, Johannes Holsaert and Deborah Blake married on 17 May 1777. New York Genealogical & Biographical Society Library manuscript files: Josephine C Frost collection. They had a son baptized at the DRC of NU:11 May 1786; Petrus; Johannes Holst, Dibbey Blake; [witnesses:] Johannes Holst, Dibbey Holst Records of the Reformed Church of New Utrecht, Long Island New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Vol 113, pg 169. Johannes Holsaert II was most likely born about 1672 as he in not listed in the 1687 Kings Co. Oath of Allegiance http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/1687roll.html His father, Johannes Holsaert, is also not listed, but that is probably relate to the fact that he died shortly after http://hulsenet.net/8.html Johnannes Holsaert II is almost certainly the man who married Cornelia Maas, deceased before the deed of 1710 that Liz references. Still, Johannes Holseart II and Cornelia Maas could have had a son who married an Ann Waldron. I just thought it might be helpful to clarify some of the information about Johannes Holsaert II. > What about the children of Cornelia's first marriage? Who were they and what became of them? On Ann Waldron or Holsaert: Other than Rutger's will, I have not found any reference to an Ann Waldron who could be Rutger's daughter. Nor have I found any evidence of a possible Holsaert husband for her. On John Holsaert of Brooklyn: There is another John Holsaert who died in late 1731 or early 1732. He is listed in the 1738 Census of Brooklyn (taken in 1731) see http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Census/1700/1738.Census.Kings.htmlbut the administration of his estate was given to his brother-in-law in 1732:Page 221 . Rip Van Dam, Esq., President, etc. Whereas, JOHN HALSARD, of Brookiand, in Kings County, died intestate, Letters of administration are granted to William Bennet, his brother-in-law, February 29, 1731/2. Abstracts of wills on file in the surrogate's Office, City of New York (Volume III. 1730-1744), ABSTRACTS OF WJLLS-LiBER 11. pg 49 This John Holsaert's parents are probably Anthony Holsaert and his wife Rachel. Anthony died before 9 JAN 1723/24 in Brooklyn when administration of his estate was given to his widow, Rachel (sorry I don't have the reference). The fact that adminstration of his estate went to his widow implies that any son as heir-at-law was probably a minor, and thus would not the husband of an Ann Waldron. Joining Liz on her limb, I believe John Holsaert married Femmetje Bennet, as her 2nd husband. The Holsaert - Bennet family record on file at the Brooklyn Historical Society unfortunately is only partial and includes only the names of the children, not their parents. For the Holsaerts it includes Anthony (b 1 Jan 1729) and Barbara (b 28 Jan 1731). The children were probably named after their paternal grandfather and maternal grandmother. William Bennet in the above administration record was the brother of Femmetje Bennet. Like Liz, I also think William Bennet probably married Ann Holsaert as her 2nd husband (her first being John Cooper). The Holsaert family record on file at the Brooklyn Historical Society includes a birth record for the last two children of William Bennet and his wife Ann. The inclusion of their family in the Holsaert family record and the naming of the children of William and Ann suggest Ann's maiden name was Holsaert. Expanding on Liz's listing, their children were:1) Jacob, bap 30 Jan 1732 at NU, named after his paternal grandfather 2) John, b abt 1734 (Ledley's article on the Bennet family) , named after his maternal grandfather 3) Neeltje, bap 4 May 1735 at NU, named after her maternal grandmother 4) William, b abt 1737 (Ledley's article on the Bennet family) , named after his father 5) Anthony, b abt 1740 (Ledley's article on the Bennet family) named after his maternal uncle who probably raised Annetje 6) Rachel, b abt 1742 (Ledley's article on the Bennet family) , named after her maternal aunt who probably raised Annetje 7) Agnes, b abt 1744 (Ledley's article on the Bennet family), named after her paternal aunt 8) Cornelius, b abt 1746 (Ledley's article on the Bennet family), possibly named for his maternal grandmother (assuming Neeltje died young) 9) Abraham, b 28 Feb 1748 (from the family record), possibly named after paternal great uncle 10) Margaret, b 4 Sep 1749 (from the family record), named after paternal aunt Because of the fact that William Bennet could have been John Holsaert's brother-in-law in a couple of ways, I don't think it is possible to draw any definitive conclusions about the relationship between William Bennet's wife, Ann, and John Holsaert, probable son of Anthony and Rachel. More documentation would certainly be helpful. Mike Morrissey

Hi Ann, You can do your own look-up.  Tax Lists were printed with some explanation in the NYG&B Record in Vol 62 (2, 3, 4) and Vol 63 (1, 2) at the links: Apr 1931  http://tinyurl.com/ccdf7f5 Jul 1931  http://tinyurl.com/cp57crn Oct 1931  http://tinyurl.com/c79mrq8 Jan 1932  http://tinyurl.com/cyyqt9y Apr 1932  http://tinyurl.com/bvbt6l2 The 1716/17 list you found at the UC Archives site was not published in the Record.  All of the lists are divided by Precinct and might give a general notion of who was living nearby.  I've noticed that some families remain close to others consistently in all the lists over the period 1709 to 1721. I seem to recall that someone had concluded that the dates of the earliest of the lists were somehow confused, but I'm sorry I don't recall the details. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "acroston125@comcast.net" <acroston125@comcast.net> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:23 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ulster County Tax Lists - Van Aken Hi all, Would any of our Listers be able do a lookup on earlier or later Ulster Co, NY Tax Lists for the Van Aken surname (maybe NYGBR Vol 62 &63)? How were the tax lists ordered? Are they in some way related to land holdings? Are these neighbors? Has anyone correlated the tax lists with maps of the area? Would love to put boots down on the land of our VA ancestors. Normal0falsefalsefalseEN-USX-NONEX-NONEMicrosoftInternetExplorer4 Tax List1716/1717. Rochester, Ulster Co. : Normal0falsefalsefalseEN-USX-NONEX-NONEMicrosoftInternetExplorer4Marynis van Aken, £65.  Listed between Moses Du Puis, £400 and Jochem Schoonmaker, £290. Cornelis Van Aken , £10 Tax List1716/1717. Kingston, Ulster Co: Pietter van aken, £40. Listed between Tjerk DeWitt, £390 and Jannetie Winne, £8.Thanks, AnnVA/VA Newsletter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Liz, et al, I don't have much, so for what its worth. The two baptismal records at New Utrecht for Willem Bennet & Antje h.v. are: [NYG&B Record 112(1981):211] "Records of the Reformed Dutch Church of New Utrecht, Long Island, NY" 1732, 30 Jan, Jacob, of Wm. & Anna BENNET wit: Jacob Bennet, Angenietie Bennet, his daughter [NYG&B Record 113(1982):13] "Records of the Reformed Dutch Church of New Utrecht, Long Island, NY" 1735, 4 May, Neltje, of Wm. & Anatie BENNET wit: Peter Meserol, Sara s.v. Unfortunately, not much to go on. I have no firm birth and/or baptismal dates for the other children. Here's the will abstract you asked about: Abstracts of Wills Vol V 1754-1760, New York, page 336: Liber 21 Page 400.--In the name of God, Amen, December 21, 1755. I, WILHELMUS BENNIT, of Brookland, in Kings County, farmer, being very sick. It is my will that my wife Antie and my two sons Jacob and Johanes shall stay in my house for 10 years to bring up my younger children, but they have power to sell if they find it necessary. I leave all estate to my wife and children, Jacob, Johanes, Wilhelmus, Anthony, Rachel, Angeltie, Catharine, Abraham, and Margaretie, "But my son Jacob must have £10 for his birth right." Witnesses, Jacob Butt, Jacob Stillingworth, Simon Boerum. Proved, September 12, 1759. Abstracts of Wills, Vol XVI, Corrections Vol I p 336 Will of Wilhelmus Bennit read Wilhelmus Bennet. 7 lines from top for Antie read Anatie Bennet. 12 lines from top for Angeltie and Catharine read Angenietie and Cornelis Bennet. 14 lines from top for Jacob Butt and Jacob Stillingworth read Jacob Bennet and Jacob Stillingwort. That's it for now. Best regards, Pam Sears

Hi, I am trying to track down more information on my 10th great grandparents. They were: Lucasz Cornelisz Van Tienhoven Jannetje Adriaenze De Haes - perhaps French by looking at the last name???? I am direct related to them thru their daughter: Eve Afegy Van Tienhoven who married Pieter Van Stoutenburg Any suggestions would be great. Dawn Wisconsin

HI, I am trying to find more information on my 9th great grandparents. Their names were: Cornelius Vanden Bergh Marial Van Buren I am direct granddaughter thru their daughter: Tryntje Cornelis Vanden Bergh She was married to Pieter Waldron - grandson of Resolved Waldron. I don't know much about them. I suspect that they were alive around early 1700s? Any suggestions would be great. Dawn Wisconsin

Renee, Here's a record from NY Dutch church: 1726 Apr 20; John Cooper, Antje Holsaardt; Johannes; John Stanton, Cornelia Waldrom The witness Cornelia "Waldrom" would be Annetje's mother. Child Johannes could be named for his grandfather Johannes Holseart II (Cornelis Maas' first husband), on his own father. This is the only Cooper (spelled this way) in the NYDRC until 29 October 1730, when Mary Cooper was a baptism witness for a child of John Le Montes and Aaltje Van Norden. These two records seem to be the only Coopers (spelled that way) in the NA/NYDRC. I did not check NA/NYDRC for alternate spellings of the Cooper name. John Cooper's wife, 'Antje Holsaardt' could be as young as 17 in this record, assuming she was married at 16, which would put her birth at around 1709, and assuming I'm not having a Bad Math Day. There isn't much room for a daughter Annetje to be born to Rutgert Waldron in between his known children with Deborah Pel, AND married by 1720, who could have been married by 1720 when Rutgert Waldrom made his will. Now I'll go out on a limb... I have Annetje Holseart remarried with William Bennet, a son of Jacob Adriaens Bennet and Barbara Verdon. But I have almost zero documentation for this! Could use help. Apparently in her second marriage, some of Annetje Holseart's children were baptized at New Utrecht, for instance: -- Jacob Bennet, bapt. 31 January 1732 (would have named the paternal grandfather Jacob Adriaens Bennet) -- Neeltje Bennet, bapt. 4 May 1735 (would have been named after the maternal grandmother, Cornelia Maas). There were several more born later, up til about 1748. Annetje could therefore have been born as early as about 1700, but my guess is a little later. I don't have enough documentation on this second marriage and family to really be commenting on it much, but maybe someone can help with baptism witnesses from New Utrecht. If so, I could use help on this group, too. If anyone can saw off this limb, please do, but let me climb down from this tree first. I am jhappier to have something corrected than I am with having an error in my own database or my work. Thanks. This William Bennet's will should appear in WNYHS:5:336, whatever that is. I don't have this abstract. This note came from a series of articles written in the 1960's by Ledley for the NYGBR. He made a heroic effort to straighten out the many Dutch Bennets, but there are some differences that I and others have recently noted. Buyt my bottom line is, that Rutgert Waldron's so-called dughter, mentioned _last_ in his 1720 will, was most likely his stepdaughter. He raised her with her mother. That's why she was mentioned last after the series of other children. Annetje Holseart inherited the same amount as the Waldron children, which accords with the usual Dutch custom when a special settlement on "voorkinderen" (fore-children = earlier children of a second spounse) have not been settled upon previous to the second marriage of the testator. Liz J On 12 April 2013 16:54, Renee L. Dauven <promine@web-ster.com> wrote: > The Waldron connections are most interesting but what about the > children of Cornelia's first marriage? Who were they and what became of > them? > In Rutgert's will, (see below) Ann Holsaert is usually thought by > Holsaert researchers to have been a married daughter of Rutgert. But > the will seems a bit confusing. It specifies seven children which would > include, counting the names given, Ann. However, she is named last > which seems to indicate that she was the youngest. Yet of the three > daughters she is the only one who appears to be married...which may > indicate that she is the oldest of Rutgert's children. Furthermore, if > the youngest, she would have been underage at the time the will was > written as the will talks about bringing up "my younger children". > > Rutgert married first per the following NY DRC record: > 1700 04 May; Rutgert Waldron, jm van N. Yorck; Debora Pel, jd ut Supra. > beyde woonende alhier. > > With that marriage date, a list of the baptisms of Rutgert's > children > seems to preclude Ann from being his daughter. > > 1700 Dec 04; Rutgert Waldron, Debora Pel; Debora; Willem Pel, Sara > Rutgers wife of Daniel Waldron > 1702 Mar 04; Rutgert Waldron, Debora Pell; Daniel; Daniel Waldron, Anna > Waldron > 1703 Aug 15; Rutgert Waldron, Debora Pell; Daniel; Joseph Waldron, Anna > Waldron > 1705 Aug 30; Rutgert Waldron, Debora Pel; Samuel; Daniel Walderon, Sara > Walderon > 1707 Dec 28; Ruthgert Waldron, Debora Pell; Richard; Albartus Coenradus > Bosch, Elisabeth Montanje > 1709 Nov 09; Ruthgerd Waldrom, Debora Pell; Sara; Isaac Boele, Grietje > Brestede > 1711 Aug 12; Ruthgerd Waldrom, Debora Pel; William; Pieter Brestede, > Anna Paretre [Peartree] > 1713 Sep 20; Ruthgert Waldrom, Debora Pel; Johannes; Fredrik Willemse, > Marytje Waldrom > > By Aug 1716, Rutgert had married Cornelia Mass. > > 1716 Aug 05; Rutgerd Waldrom, Cornelia Maas; Sara; Pieter Brestede, > Grietje Brestede > 1718 Aug 29; Rutgerd Waldrom, Cornelia Maas; Cornelia; Gerret de Freest, > Cornelia de Freest > > There just doesn't seem to be a place for Ann in this list. The > most > likely answer is that she is actually the youngest daughter of Cornelia > and her first husband. She remained with her mother following the > mother's remarriage and was raised by Rutgert. The older children may > have gone to live with other relatives. > > Another possible solution is to declare the will wrong and the > daughter > called Ann in the will is actually a mistake for Debora, the oldest > documented daughter of Rutgert...or that the baptismal record is > incorrect and the child called Debora in the 1700 baptism was actually > named Ann. > If that is the case than by 1700 it is entirely possible that > Rutgert's > oldest daughter may have married a Holsaert. Who was he and was he a > son of Cornelia and Johannes? > As of now, the only documented child that I have for Cornelia and > Johannes is known to have died in 1704 as on 31 Dec 1704 Johannes paid > 12 gulden for a grave and pall for a son (name not given) said to be > documented per New Utrecht church records. Were there any other children? > > Thanks for any insight. > > Renee L. Dauven > > Will of Rutgert Waldron: > > Abstracts of Wills Vol II 1708-1728, page 226: > Page 209.--RUTGERT WALDRON. In the name of God, Amen. I, Rutgert > Waldron, of New York, turner. I leave to my wife Cornelia (pounds > Sterling)100. I leave to each of my seven children, to wit, Daniel, > Samuel, Richard, Johanes, Sarah and Cornelia Waldron, and Ann Holsaert, > 20 shillings. I leave to my son Samuel two iron vises, to be delivered > to him at the expiration of his apprenticeship. I leave to my son Daniel > all the rest of my working tools when of age, provided > he continues to live with my wife Cornelia and assist her in bringing up > my younger children. Otherwise he is to pay her (pounds Sterling)30. I > also give to my wife my Large Dutch Bible. I leave all the rest of my > goods to my wife to enable her to bring up the children, and she is to > take care that they are brought up and instructed in the Holy > Evangelical Religion. I make my loving friends, Mr. Harmanus Rutgers, > Mr. Philip Van Cortlandt and Mr. John Nicolls trustees of my estate, and > I make my wife executor. > > Dated June 14, 1720. Witnesses, John Nicolls, Richard Nicolls, Duncan > Hutchinson. Proved before Governor William Burnet, November 3, 1720. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From the records of the Albany Reformed Dutch Church: 1702, Nov. 21. Reg. Cornelis Gerritse Van den Berg, y.m., and Maria Van Bueren, wid. of Jan Teewisse Van Deuse, both b. and l. in Col. R. Ma., Dec. 20, at h. of Mayor, Albert Rykman. Cornelis Van den Berg's father was Gerrit Gybertse Van den Berg. My notes on him: In 1663 he lived in Beverwyck, Albany, NY, as a servant to Jan Barent WEMP and was a commissioner of Kinderhook, Albany, NY, in 1686. In 1662 removed to farm of Martin Cornelise Van Buren on west side of river south of Albany, NY, and in records up to 1685; his occupation was a farmer. Source is page 11 of "The Van Den Berghs in America" compiled by D. Wade Stockman, and potter@capital.net, Ruth Potter. I have brief notes on Pieter: PAR: William Waldron and Engeltie Stoutenbrught (of NY) (VAN HIS 001) CHR: Witnesses Pieter Stoutenburg and Aeltie Walkdron (VAN HIS 067) Sally Idaho -----Original Message----- From: dgoldens3@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 5:19 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VANDEN BERG/VAN BUREN HI, I am trying to find more information on my 9th great grandparents. Their names were: Cornelius Vanden Bergh Marial Van Buren I am direct granddaughter thru their daughter: Tryntje Cornelis Vanden Bergh She was married to Pieter Waldron - grandson of Resolved Waldron. I don't know much about them. I suspect that they were alive around early 1700s? Any suggestions would be great. Dawn Wisconsin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Chris Chester wrote: >>>Administration on the estate of Eleanor Blaaw, widow of NYC, was granted on 5 May 1794 to daughters Cornelia and Eleanor Blaaw and son-in-law Jotham Post, Jr. (Abs NY Co. Wills, v.14, p.360). She was Neeltje Creson, wife of Waldron Blaau.>> It might help to clarify what this means. Actually. it should read: Abstracts of wills, City of New York (Volume XIV. Jun 12, 1786-Feb 13, 1796) p 360 Eleanor Blaaw, New York City, widow, died intestate. Letters of Administration were granted on 5 May 1794 to daughters Cornelia and Eleanor Blaaw and Jotham Post, Jr., son-in-law of the deceased. Best regards, Pam Sears

Thanks so much Howard for sharing this wonderful article. I saw an exhibition at the National Gallery in London in 2007 called "The Golden Age of Dutch Portraiture" that included many of the masterpieces on permanent exhibition at the newly renovated Rijks Musuem. It was spectacular. Jeff Ward -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Howard Swain Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:43 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Rijksmuseum reopens Hi all, See: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323550604578411023461778086.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopBucket#articleTabs%3Darticle Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email transmission is confidential and may contain proprietary information for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. Any use, distribution or copying of this transmission, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the system manager at dherrera@scgc.org and delete all copies. Electronic media is susceptible to unauthorized modification, deterioration, and incompatibility. Accordingly, the electronic media version of any work product may not be relied upon.

Thanks to everyone here who provided the detailed and in-depth responses to my quetion about the two daughters of Rutgert Waldron and Cornalia Maas. All of your input is greatly appreciared. I'm a little behind on replying as well as on data entry, so I'll continue with both of those tasks today. Thanks again! Liz J On 12 April 2013 07:29, CChester <ccbnf1404@gmail.com> wrote: > Liz, Mike & Jim, and any others interested, > > Although not 100% conclusive, it does appear that the Magdalena, mentioned > in Jurrie/Jeremiah/Uriah Blauw's will of 1759 was a daughter of Cornelia > Waldron and not Hester Emmet. Magdalena died in 1772, and that is the > reason why she does not appear in any later wills of the Blauw family > including Cornelia's. If born at Gowanus, L.I., where Jurie and Cornelia > lived, it can be expected that no baptism record would have survived (the > record is probably in the Brooklyn Church records which are lost). > > Magdalena was married to Jacob Boelen of New York City. > On 19 Aug 1770, Magdalena Blaau, h.v. Jakob Boelen, was sponsor for the > baptism of Magdalena, daughter of Waldron Blaau and Neeltje Creson at the > New York Reformed Dutch Church. > On 23 Feb 1772, Magd. Catharina, daughter of Jakob Boelen & Magdalena > Blaauw was baptized at the NY RDC, sponsors being Waldrom Blaauw and > Neeltje Creson, z.h.v. > > Jacob Boelen was a NYC silversmith and his family and ancestors were > covered in an extensive published article by Howard S.F. Randolph in > *NYGBR*72 (1941) no. 4. The family of Jacob Boelen is found at pages > 284 to 286. > Randolph states that Magdalena was the daughter of Jurian Blauw and > Cornelia Waldron of Gowanus, L.I. Now, taking into account the fact that > Randolph may have been unaware of Jurian's first marriage, the actual > events relating to Magdalena still point to Cornelia Waldron as her mother > over Hester Emmet. > Jacob and Magdalena were married on 4 April 1764 with a NY License. If the > "earlier" Lena Blauw, baptized in 1729, had been Jacob's wife, she would > have been getting married at the age of 35, which may might be a little old > for the record of births that follow. > Magdalena had, with Jacob Boelen, six children born between 1765 and 1772, > including two sets of twins. The names: Jane & Cornelia (11 Jan 1765); > Henry & Mary (25 Jul 1767) and Cornelia (2 Mar 1769). The dates are birth > dates and these first five were baptized in the Moravian Church and all > buried there as infants or toddlers. > The sixth child, Magd(alena) Catharina, bapt. in 1772 (above) has not > (according to Randolph) been located in any later record. Magdalena Blauw > died soon after her birth and is buried at the Moravian churchyard. > > I would be of the belief that based upon her date of marriage and the fact > that she named two daughters, Cornelia, rather than Hester, Magdalena Blauw > is more likely a daughter of Cornelia Waldron, rather then Hester Emmet. If > so, she was probably born about 1740, at Gowanus (and therefore no > surviving baptism record). > > According to Randolph, Jacob Boelen married, second, Mary Ryckman with lic. > dated 31 Aug 1773. They had six children baptized by the Moravian pastor, > and the first five were buried by the Moravian Church as infants. No > further record of the sixth child, Maria, bapt. on 6 Jun 1784. As I > mentioned, Jacob was a silversmith, and there are a couple of photos of his > work in the article. Randolph states that just after the British left NYC, > Jacob, as foreman of a company of fireman for NYC petitioned the NY > Governor for new apparatus. He was not recorded in the first NYC directory > of 1786, and his not listed in the Gold and Silversmith's Society, two > places where he should be listed if he were still in NYC. Of Jacob's twelve > children, ten were buried before reaching the age of two. Randolph says, > "there were doubtless other children," but I'm not sure what leads him to > believe that as the birth and baptism dates for the known children are > pretty tight. > > Other records that are help in reconstructing the descendants of Cornelia > Waldron (daughter of Rutgert Waldron and Cornelia Maas) are the following > wills: > Richard Waldron (half-brother of Cornelia). Will dated 21 Dec 1774 > (Abstracts of New York Co. Wills, v.8, pp.239-241, abstracting Lib. 29, p. > 303). Richard did well for himself and mentions numerous extended family > members including his sister Cornelia Blauw, widow of "Uriah" Blauw (first > time I've seen that English variant on Jurrie/Jurian, but I can understand > it an it is repeated in other records). Also mentions her children Waldron, > Cornelia, Sarah and Henry (remember Magdalena is deceased with apparently > no surviving children). Waldron Blaau is given money for the benefit of his > brother Abraham, and Cornelia and Waldron are two of the executors. Richard > also mentions his sister, Sarah Waldron. (Richard's wife was Antje/Hannah > de Graaf, widow of John Langendyck and they were married in 1734. > Antje/Hannah had married Langendyck in 1717, both records in NY RDC). > > Abraham Blaau, carpenter of NYC, will dated 13 March 1787 (Abs. NY Co. > Wills, v.14, p.118, abstracting Lib. 40, p. 10). Apparently not married and > no children of his own, but certainly not incapable as might be implied by > Richard Waldron's will (an 18th century carpenter had to actually know > math). He leaves bequeaths to his sister Cornelia Cross of Philadelphia > (she was Cornelia Alboy, wife of the late John Alboy in her mother's will); > mentions his father "Uriah" Blaau, deceased; legacies to his sister Sarah > Jarvis and her children. Should sister Cornelia Cross die, her legacy to go > to the children of sister Sarah Jarvis. Arthur Jarvis is appointed > executor. > > Waldron Blaau of NYC, dated 23 June 1783 (Abs. NY Co. Wills v. 14, pp. > 126-127, abstracting Lib. 40, p. 50). Names his son Richard W. Blaau; wife > Eleanor (Neeltje Creson); son Uriah Blaau made executor. Other children > mentioned, but not named. Waldron Blau and Neeltje Creson were married on > 25 March 1758 (NY RDC) and had eight children baptized between 1758 and > 1775 at NY. Family members are among the sponsors. A ninth child, a > daughter Frances, is mentioned in the will of Waldron's daughter Eleanor > (bapt. 1764). Randolph claims that Waldron was a Loyalist during the > Revolution, however, he is listed as a First Lieut, in the New York Militia > in October 1776 from the North Ward (NYGBR 2 [1872]:156). > > Administration on the estate of Eleanor Blaaw, widow of NYC, was granted on > 5 May 1794 to daughters Cornelia and Eleanor Blaaw and son-in-law Jotham > Post, Jr. (Abs NY Co. Wills, v.14, p.360). She was Neeltje Creson, wife of > Waldron Blaau. > > The will of Eleanor Blaau of NYC, dated 15 Aug 1795 (Abs. NY Co, Wills > v.14, p. 326, abstracting Lib. 41, p.611) mentions sister Cornelia Blaau; > sister Lanah, wife of Jotham Post, Jr.; sister Frances Blaau; sister > Elizabeth, wife of Augustus Bates; nephew Waldron Blaau, son of sister > Lanah and Jotham Post, Jr.; aunt Rachel Groome (she appears to have been > Neeltje Creson's sister); sister Sarah, wife of James Hine; brother-in-law > Jotham Post, Jr. and sister Cornelia appointed executors. (Eleanor was a > daughter of Waldron and Neeltje [Creson] Blauw). > > I'm sure there is more to be found regarding this family, > > Chris Chester > > > > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:41 PM, James Harder <jaharder88@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > Thanks Mike. Daughter "Maghdeleentie" in Jurry's will isn't named in > > Cornelia's, so she was likely born by Hester. Maybe Engeltje was born > > first around 1728, Leena/Maghdeleentie 1729, Frederick 1731, John etc. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Michael Morrissey <mikemorr@hotmail.com> > > To: "dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > > Cc: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Cornelia Maas, wife of Johannes Holsaert & > > Rutgert Waldron; > > > > Pam and all, Jurian Blauw married 1st Hester Emmet, as is seen from the > > baptsims of two of their children:12 Mar 1729; Jurian Blauw, Hester > Emmet; > > Leena; Fredrik Blaw, Lena, z.h.v.Collections of the New York Genealogical > > and Biographical Society, Vol. II, Baptism for 1620 to 1730 in the > Reformed > > Dutch Church, New York, pg 490. 10 Oct 1731; Fredrick; Juryson Blaauw, > > Hester s.v.; Nicholaes Vechten, Cornelia s.v.New Utrecth Baptisms, NYGBR > > 112:211 Jurian was baptized at the DRC of Brooklyn:1708, February 29: > > -Jurjen; parents: Fredirck Blaauw, Lena; witnesses: Abram Blaauw, > Jannetje > > Brouwer.New York Historical Dutch Manuscripts, Old First Dutch Reformed > > Church of Brooklyn, New York, First Book of Records, 1660-1752, by A.P.G. > > Jos van der Linde, pg f152. Based on his baptism in 1708, the baptism of > > Leena in 1729, and the mention of Engeltje was his oldest daughter, it > > seems lilkely that Leena died young and they had a second child named > > Magdalena, though that > > Magdalena could be a daughter of Cornelia. Hester's parents were > > probably John Emmet and Engeltje (?). It seems likely that John (his > > oldest son) and Engeltje are Hester's children, named after their > maternal > > grandparents. Fredrick apparently died young as he is not mentioned in > the > > will. Mike Morrissey> > > > > > > Actually, Jeremiah/Juriaen Blauw and his wife Cornelia Waldron had a > > total > > > of 8 children, as listed in the will of Jurry Blaew of Gowanus: > > > > > > Abstracts of wills on file in the Surrogate's Office, City of New York > > > (Volume V. 1754-1760) > > > Liber 21, page 317 > > > Page 338. In the name of God, Amen, March 9, 1759. I, Jurry Blaew, of > > > Gowanus, in Brookland, in Kings County, farrier, being weak in body. I > > > leave to my wife Cornelia all household goods. I leave to my eldest son > > > John £3 for his birth right. All the rest of my estate, real and > > personal, > > > to be sold by my executors 3 months after my decease and the money paid > > to > > > my wife and children, John, Waldron, Abraham, Hendrick, Magdalena, > > > Cornelia, and Sara. My eldest daughter Engeltie has been a disobedient > > > child, and for that reason I debar her from any share. I make my wife, > > and > > > my son Waldron, and my friend, Aert Hyer, executors. Witnesses, > Nicholas > > > Vechten, Peter Staats, Simon Boerum. Proved, June 19, 1759. > > > [Note. The name in old deeds is generally spelled Blaw. W. S. P.] > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Pam Sears > > >

The Waldron connections are most interesting but what about the children of Cornelia's first marriage? Who were they and what became of them? In Rutgert's will, (see below) Ann Holsaert is usually thought by Holsaert researchers to have been a married daughter of Rutgert. But the will seems a bit confusing. It specifies seven children which would include, counting the names given, Ann. However, she is named last which seems to indicate that she was the youngest. Yet of the three daughters she is the only one who appears to be married...which may indicate that she is the oldest of Rutgert's children. Furthermore, if the youngest, she would have been underage at the time the will was written as the will talks about bringing up "my younger children". Rutgert married first per the following NY DRC record: 1700 04 May; Rutgert Waldron, jm van N. Yorck; Debora Pel, jd ut Supra. beyde woonende alhier. With that marriage date, a list of the baptisms of Rutgert's children seems to preclude Ann from being his daughter. 1700 Dec 04; Rutgert Waldron, Debora Pel; Debora; Willem Pel, Sara Rutgers wife of Daniel Waldron 1702 Mar 04; Rutgert Waldron, Debora Pell; Daniel; Daniel Waldron, Anna Waldron 1703 Aug 15; Rutgert Waldron, Debora Pell; Daniel; Joseph Waldron, Anna Waldron 1705 Aug 30; Rutgert Waldron, Debora Pel; Samuel; Daniel Walderon, Sara Walderon 1707 Dec 28; Ruthgert Waldron, Debora Pell; Richard; Albartus Coenradus Bosch, Elisabeth Montanje 1709 Nov 09; Ruthgerd Waldrom, Debora Pell; Sara; Isaac Boele, Grietje Brestede 1711 Aug 12; Ruthgerd Waldrom, Debora Pel; William; Pieter Brestede, Anna Paretre [Peartree] 1713 Sep 20; Ruthgert Waldrom, Debora Pel; Johannes; Fredrik Willemse, Marytje Waldrom By Aug 1716, Rutgert had married Cornelia Mass. 1716 Aug 05; Rutgerd Waldrom, Cornelia Maas; Sara; Pieter Brestede, Grietje Brestede 1718 Aug 29; Rutgerd Waldrom, Cornelia Maas; Cornelia; Gerret de Freest, Cornelia de Freest There just doesn't seem to be a place for Ann in this list. The most likely answer is that she is actually the youngest daughter of Cornelia and her first husband. She remained with her mother following the mother's remarriage and was raised by Rutgert. The older children may have gone to live with other relatives. Another possible solution is to declare the will wrong and the daughter called Ann in the will is actually a mistake for Debora, the oldest documented daughter of Rutgert...or that the baptismal record is incorrect and the child called Debora in the 1700 baptism was actually named Ann. If that is the case than by 1700 it is entirely possible that Rutgert's oldest daughter may have married a Holsaert. Who was he and was he a son of Cornelia and Johannes? As of now, the only documented child that I have for Cornelia and Johannes is known to have died in 1704 as on 31 Dec 1704 Johannes paid 12 gulden for a grave and pall for a son (name not given) said to be documented per New Utrecht church records. Were there any other children? Thanks for any insight. Renee L. Dauven Will of Rutgert Waldron: Abstracts of Wills Vol II 1708-1728, page 226: Page 209.--RUTGERT WALDRON. In the name of God, Amen. I, Rutgert Waldron, of New York, turner. I leave to my wife Cornelia (pounds Sterling)100. I leave to each of my seven children, to wit, Daniel, Samuel, Richard, Johanes, Sarah and Cornelia Waldron, and Ann Holsaert, 20 shillings. I leave to my son Samuel two iron vises, to be delivered to him at the expiration of his apprenticeship. I leave to my son Daniel all the rest of my working tools when of age, provided he continues to live with my wife Cornelia and assist her in bringing up my younger children. Otherwise he is to pay her (pounds Sterling)30. I also give to my wife my Large Dutch Bible. I leave all the rest of my goods to my wife to enable her to bring up the children, and she is to take care that they are brought up and instructed in the Holy Evangelical Religion. I make my loving friends, Mr. Harmanus Rutgers, Mr. Philip Van Cortlandt and Mr. John Nicolls trustees of my estate, and I make my wife executor. Dated June 14, 1720. Witnesses, John Nicolls, Richard Nicolls, Duncan Hutchinson. Proved before Governor William Burnet, November 3, 1720.

Judy, I am involved in our local Genealogical Association here in Ray County, Missouri. You would win the "bet" that a genealogy or historical society would love to have a shipment of genealogical or historical books that people no longer use. We are a small county, but our library contains many books from other states, books pertaining to wars, DAR books, reference, etc. Not everyone in the area has Ray County roots (me included) and it is nice to be able to search in our books from other states and find information on my ancestors. We have several Vanderpools and VanBebbers/VanBibber researchers in our county. But of course, I am not connected to them, darn it. This gives me the idea to put this suggestion in our next quarterly. Lisa (with many New Netherland ancestors) On 4/10/2013 2:33 PM, jacassidy22@verizon.net wrote: > I just shipped off 32 pounds of books, U. S. Media Mail, to two different > Historical Society libraries which only cost me $20.00. These were books, > like new, that I no longer used, or that didn't contain the information > which I thought they would, purchased over the years. I am sure many people > have such a collection and can't figure out what to do with them. Rather > than leave it to my children, who would have no idea, I decided that it was > time to pass them on. So if any of you have such books at home, which are > gathering dust and no longer used, I bet a Historical Society Library might > appreciate them. If not they can always sell them and donate the proceeds > to the library. > I have a friend who just died not so long ago, he had a wonderful > collection, but it was a sudden death and now this collection is sitting in > the milk house on the farm, he left no instructions on how he wanted them > disposed. > Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > . >

Hi Jim, Thank you very much for the marriage record and will abstract, and for the like to the will. Greatly appreciated, Liz J On 10 April 2013 05:08, James Harder <jaharder88@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Liz, > > Apparently both daughters lived long lives as per in Cornelia's 1786 will, > proved in 1787, which mentions her 4 children with Jeremias Blauw > (1707/8-1759), and her sister Sara Waldron. NYHS Abstract below. A copied > record of the will and probate begins on page 31 here: > http://tinyurl.com/d4523sx > > NY Marriage License: 1737 29 Dec; Jeremiah Blauw; Cornelia Waldron > > Jim > > > > ABSTRACTS OF WILLS— LIBER 40 > 124 > > Page 39. — Cornelia Blaau, of New York City, wid- > ow of Jeremiah Blaau, late of the said City, to my ex- > ecutors, all my real estate in New York City or else- > where, upon trust that they sell the same within three > months after my decease, and the moneys so arising, > after my debts and funeral charges are paid, to put > £200 out at interest, upon sufficient landed security > and to pay the interest so arising to my sister, Sarah > Waldron, during her life ; one equal third part of the > residue to my son, Abraham, for his use and benefit, > and his heirs share and share alike; one other equal > third part to my daughter, Cornelia Alboy, wife of > John Alboy, late of the said City, deceased, to her > heirs share and share alike; the remaining third part > to be put out at interest, upon sufficient landed secur- > ity, the interest so arising to be paid to my daughter, > Sarah Jarvis, wife of Arthur Jarvis, of New York > City for her use and benefit during the joint lives of > my daughter Sarah, and her husband; if the interest > is not sufficient, then I order my executors to give > part of the principal of the one-third part not exceed- > ing in the whole £300, to be paid to my daughter, > Sarah Jarvis ; her receipt alone shall be a sufficient dis- > charge to my executors ; if my daughter, Sarah Jarvis, > should die before the said one the third part is put > 125 > out at interest, then it is to be paid to her child or > children which shall be living at the time of her decease, > share and share alike ; in default of such child or chil- > dren, the same to be paid to my daughter, Cornelia > Alboy, and my son, Abraham Blaau, for their use, > share and share alike, to them, their heirs, as tenants > in common; after the death of my sister, Sarah > Waldron, two equal third parts of the above mentioned > sum of £200 to my son, Abraham Blaau, and Cornelia > Alboy, to them, their heirs, share and share alike as > tenants in common; the remaining equal third part > of the said £200 to my executors to put out at interest > for my daughter, Sarah Jarvis, for her use during her > life, to her, her heirs, share and share alike as tenants > in common; all my household furniture and plate to > my children, Abraham, Cornelia Alboy, and Sarah > Jarvis, and my sister, Sarah Waldron, for their use > and benefit ; if either die before my decease, the share > to be divided among the survivors, share and share > alike; as my son, Waldron Blaau, has in his lifetime > received more than his full share I cannot, in justice > to my other children, give his children anything by > my last will. I appoint His Excellency, George Clin- > ton, Esq., Governor of New York State, and Nicholas > Bogart, merchant, of New York City (son of Cornelius > Bogart), executors. > > Dated August, 24, 1786. Witnesses, Gerret Van > Gelden, Robt. Troup, Esq., Theophilus De Bow. > Proved, July 24, 1787. On July 28, 1787, the executors > having refused to serve, the Court appointed Robert > Richardson Cross and Arthur Jarvis, of New York, > gentlemen, to administer the estate. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com; new-netherland@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Cornelia Maas, wife of Johannes Holsaert & > Rutgert Waldron; Jannetje so-called "Boonen" (who isn't) > > I hope you find something useful, Dawn. > > I hope someone knows if Cornelis Maas' two daughters with Rutgert Waldron > (Sara Waldron 1716, and Cornelia Waldron 1619) lived to adulthood, and if > so, who they married. Their father died when they were only little girls. > > I also need a death date for Cornelis (Maas) Waldron, or info on whatever > happened to her after Rutgert Waldron died. > > Thanks for the thanks, > Liz J > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry folks. I sent the following in a previous message, but never checked the listing for the Groom's name (in this case, Francis Groome). Names of persons for whom marriage licenses were issued by the secretary of the province of New York, previous to 1784 Author New York (State) Publisher-Weed, Parsons and company, 1860 pg. 91 1769 Oct 14 Crashun [Cresson??] Rachel and Francis Groome M.B. xv 55 On page 161, the entry reads: 1769 Oct 17. Groome, Francis and Rachel Crashum M.B. xv 55 So, there appears to be a choice, or at least an error [same marriage bond]. Regards, Pam Sears

Hi all, Chris Chester wrote: >>>The will of Eleanor Blaau of NYC, dated 15 Aug 1795 (Abs. NY Co, Wills v.14, p. 326, abstracting Lib. 41, p.611) mentions sister Cornelia Blaau; sister Lanah, wife of Jotham Post, Jr.; sister Frances Blaau; sister Elizabeth, wife of Augustus Bates; nephew Waldron Blaau, son of sister Lanah and Jotham Post, Jr.; aunt Rachel Groome (she appears to have been Neeltje Creson's sister); sister Sarah, wife of James Hine; brother-in-law Jotham Post, Jr. and sister Cornelia appointed executors. (Eleanor was a daughter of Waldron and Neeltje [Creson] Blauw).>>> Rachel Creson married Francis Groome by NY Marriage License: Names of persons for whom marriage licenses were issued by the secretary of the province of New York, previous to 1784 Author New York (State) Publisher-Weed, Parsons and company, 1860 pg. 91 1769 Oct 14 Crashun [Cresson??]Rachel and Francis Groome M.B. xv 55 Regards, Pam Sears

Not conclusive but persuasive. Thanks. Uriah for Jurry/Jurrian makes a little more sense than Jeremiah.  ________________________________ From: CChester <ccbnf1404@gmail.com> Although not 100% conclusive, it does appear that the Magdalena, mentioned in Jurrie/Jeremiah/Uriah Blauw's will of 1759 was a daughter of Cornelia Waldron and not Hester Emmet.   "Uriah" Blauw (first time I've seen that English variant on Jurrie/Jurian, but I can understand it an it is repeated in other records). 

Hi all, See: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323550604578411023461778086.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopBucket#articleTabs%3Darticle Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Liz, Mike & Jim, and any others interested, Although not 100% conclusive, it does appear that the Magdalena, mentioned in Jurrie/Jeremiah/Uriah Blauw's will of 1759 was a daughter of Cornelia Waldron and not Hester Emmet. Magdalena died in 1772, and that is the reason why she does not appear in any later wills of the Blauw family including Cornelia's. If born at Gowanus, L.I., where Jurie and Cornelia lived, it can be expected that no baptism record would have survived (the record is probably in the Brooklyn Church records which are lost). Magdalena was married to Jacob Boelen of New York City. On 19 Aug 1770, Magdalena Blaau, h.v. Jakob Boelen, was sponsor for the baptism of Magdalena, daughter of Waldron Blaau and Neeltje Creson at the New York Reformed Dutch Church. On 23 Feb 1772, Magd. Catharina, daughter of Jakob Boelen & Magdalena Blaauw was baptized at the NY RDC, sponsors being Waldrom Blaauw and Neeltje Creson, z.h.v. Jacob Boelen was a NYC silversmith and his family and ancestors were covered in an extensive published article by Howard S.F. Randolph in *NYGBR*72 (1941) no. 4. The family of Jacob Boelen is found at pages 284 to 286. Randolph states that Magdalena was the daughter of Jurian Blauw and Cornelia Waldron of Gowanus, L.I. Now, taking into account the fact that Randolph may have been unaware of Jurian's first marriage, the actual events relating to Magdalena still point to Cornelia Waldron as her mother over Hester Emmet. Jacob and Magdalena were married on 4 April 1764 with a NY License. If the "earlier" Lena Blauw, baptized in 1729, had been Jacob's wife, she would have been getting married at the age of 35, which may might be a little old for the record of births that follow. Magdalena had, with Jacob Boelen, six children born between 1765 and 1772, including two sets of twins. The names: Jane & Cornelia (11 Jan 1765); Henry & Mary (25 Jul 1767) and Cornelia (2 Mar 1769). The dates are birth dates and these first five were baptized in the Moravian Church and all buried there as infants or toddlers. The sixth child, Magd(alena) Catharina, bapt. in 1772 (above) has not (according to Randolph) been located in any later record. Magdalena Blauw died soon after her birth and is buried at the Moravian churchyard. I would be of the belief that based upon her date of marriage and the fact that she named two daughters, Cornelia, rather than Hester, Magdalena Blauw is more likely a daughter of Cornelia Waldron, rather then Hester Emmet. If so, she was probably born about 1740, at Gowanus (and therefore no surviving baptism record). According to Randolph, Jacob Boelen married, second, Mary Ryckman with lic. dated 31 Aug 1773. They had six children baptized by the Moravian pastor, and the first five were buried by the Moravian Church as infants. No further record of the sixth child, Maria, bapt. on 6 Jun 1784. As I mentioned, Jacob was a silversmith, and there are a couple of photos of his work in the article. Randolph states that just after the British left NYC, Jacob, as foreman of a company of fireman for NYC petitioned the NY Governor for new apparatus. He was not recorded in the first NYC directory of 1786, and his not listed in the Gold and Silversmith's Society, two places where he should be listed if he were still in NYC. Of Jacob's twelve children, ten were buried before reaching the age of two. Randolph says, "there were doubtless other children," but I'm not sure what leads him to believe that as the birth and baptism dates for the known children are pretty tight. Other records that are help in reconstructing the descendants of Cornelia Waldron (daughter of Rutgert Waldron and Cornelia Maas) are the following wills: Richard Waldron (half-brother of Cornelia). Will dated 21 Dec 1774 (Abstracts of New York Co. Wills, v.8, pp.239-241, abstracting Lib. 29, p. 303). Richard did well for himself and mentions numerous extended family members including his sister Cornelia Blauw, widow of "Uriah" Blauw (first time I've seen that English variant on Jurrie/Jurian, but I can understand it an it is repeated in other records). Also mentions her children Waldron, Cornelia, Sarah and Henry (remember Magdalena is deceased with apparently no surviving children). Waldron Blaau is given money for the benefit of his brother Abraham, and Cornelia and Waldron are two of the executors. Richard also mentions his sister, Sarah Waldron. (Richard's wife was Antje/Hannah de Graaf, widow of John Langendyck and they were married in 1734. Antje/Hannah had married Langendyck in 1717, both records in NY RDC). Abraham Blaau, carpenter of NYC, will dated 13 March 1787 (Abs. NY Co. Wills, v.14, p.118, abstracting Lib. 40, p. 10). Apparently not married and no children of his own, but certainly not incapable as might be implied by Richard Waldron's will (an 18th century carpenter had to actually know math). He leaves bequeaths to his sister Cornelia Cross of Philadelphia (she was Cornelia Alboy, wife of the late John Alboy in her mother's will); mentions his father "Uriah" Blaau, deceased; legacies to his sister Sarah Jarvis and her children. Should sister Cornelia Cross die, her legacy to go to the children of sister Sarah Jarvis. Arthur Jarvis is appointed executor. Waldron Blaau of NYC, dated 23 June 1783 (Abs. NY Co. Wills v. 14, pp. 126-127, abstracting Lib. 40, p. 50). Names his son Richard W. Blaau; wife Eleanor (Neeltje Creson); son Uriah Blaau made executor. Other children mentioned, but not named. Waldron Blau and Neeltje Creson were married on 25 March 1758 (NY RDC) and had eight children baptized between 1758 and 1775 at NY. Family members are among the sponsors. A ninth child, a daughter Frances, is mentioned in the will of Waldron's daughter Eleanor (bapt. 1764). Randolph claims that Waldron was a Loyalist during the Revolution, however, he is listed as a First Lieut, in the New York Militia in October 1776 from the North Ward (NYGBR 2 [1872]:156). Administration on the estate of Eleanor Blaaw, widow of NYC, was granted on 5 May 1794 to daughters Cornelia and Eleanor Blaaw and son-in-law Jotham Post, Jr. (Abs NY Co. Wills, v.14, p.360). She was Neeltje Creson, wife of Waldron Blaau. The will of Eleanor Blaau of NYC, dated 15 Aug 1795 (Abs. NY Co, Wills v.14, p. 326, abstracting Lib. 41, p.611) mentions sister Cornelia Blaau; sister Lanah, wife of Jotham Post, Jr.; sister Frances Blaau; sister Elizabeth, wife of Augustus Bates; nephew Waldron Blaau, son of sister Lanah and Jotham Post, Jr.; aunt Rachel Groome (she appears to have been Neeltje Creson's sister); sister Sarah, wife of James Hine; brother-in-law Jotham Post, Jr. and sister Cornelia appointed executors. (Eleanor was a daughter of Waldron and Neeltje [Creson] Blauw). I'm sure there is more to be found regarding this family, Chris Chester On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:41 PM, James Harder <jaharder88@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks Mike. Daughter "Maghdeleentie" in Jurry's will isn't named in > Cornelia's, so she was likely born by Hester. Maybe Engeltje was born > first around 1728, Leena/Maghdeleentie 1729, Frederick 1731, John etc. > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Morrissey <mikemorr@hotmail.com> > To: "dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Cornelia Maas, wife of Johannes Holsaert & > Rutgert Waldron; > > Pam and all, Jurian Blauw married 1st Hester Emmet, as is seen from the > baptsims of two of their children:12 Mar 1729; Jurian Blauw, Hester Emmet; > Leena; Fredrik Blaw, Lena, z.h.v.Collections of the New York Genealogical > and Biographical Society, Vol. II, Baptism for 1620 to 1730 in the Reformed > Dutch Church, New York, pg 490. 10 Oct 1731; Fredrick; Juryson Blaauw, > Hester s.v.; Nicholaes Vechten, Cornelia s.v.New Utrecth Baptisms, NYGBR > 112:211 Jurian was baptized at the DRC of Brooklyn:1708, February 29: > -Jurjen; parents: Fredirck Blaauw, Lena; witnesses: Abram Blaauw, Jannetje > Brouwer.New York Historical Dutch Manuscripts, Old First Dutch Reformed > Church of Brooklyn, New York, First Book of Records, 1660-1752, by A.P.G. > Jos van der Linde, pg f152. Based on his baptism in 1708, the baptism of > Leena in 1729, and the mention of Engeltje was his oldest daughter, it > seems lilkely that Leena died young and they had a second child named > Magdalena, though that > Magdalena could be a daughter of Cornelia. Hester's parents were > probably John Emmet and Engeltje (?). It seems likely that John (his > oldest son) and Engeltje are Hester's children, named after their maternal > grandparents. Fredrick apparently died young as he is not mentioned in the > will. Mike Morrissey> > > > > Actually, Jeremiah/Juriaen Blauw and his wife Cornelia Waldron had a > total > > of 8 children, as listed in the will of Jurry Blaew of Gowanus: > > > > Abstracts of wills on file in the Surrogate's Office, City of New York > > (Volume V. 1754-1760) > > Liber 21, page 317 > > Page 338. In the name of God, Amen, March 9, 1759. I, Jurry Blaew, of > > Gowanus, in Brookland, in Kings County, farrier, being weak in body. I > > leave to my wife Cornelia all household goods. I leave to my eldest son > > John £3 for his birth right. All the rest of my estate, real and > personal, > > to be sold by my executors 3 months after my decease and the money paid > to > > my wife and children, John, Waldron, Abraham, Hendrick, Magdalena, > > Cornelia, and Sara. My eldest daughter Engeltie has been a disobedient > > child, and for that reason I debar her from any share. I make my wife, > and > > my son Waldron, and my friend, Aert Hyer, executors. Witnesses, Nicholas > > Vechten, Peter Staats, Simon Boerum. Proved, June 19, 1759. > > [Note. The name in old deeds is generally spelled Blaw. W. S. 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