Sorry to take so long to get back to you all - thanks very much for taking the time to answer my plea for help. Chris - I've been in contact with Rutgers in the past - but hadn't even thought to contact them about this. Great idea - I will do it. Judy - believe me, I have drained the New Jersey State Archives! They have been a wonderful treasure trove for other documents - but they do not have any marriage record for Andrew and Hannah. I realize that finding a record be impossible - that none may exist - however, I don't give up on records until I think I've really covered every possible base (thus my desperate plea for suggestions). I'm still trying FHL Films - but I was unfamiliar with the sources you mentioned. I'll see what I can find - and thanks for suggesting them. Pam, your comment about Gasero surprised me - I must have misunderstood the rca website information. It would have been nice if he had just answered my email - just to tell me to get lost. I'm filling out a research request and rather than asking a casual question, will make it Official. Glad you said something - I really needed to take a closer look at that website. Again, thank you all for your ideas and suggestions - I will pursue them all - and will report back. Cross your fingers for me, please!! Lynne PS - and if you think of anything else, please pass it on... -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pamela J. Sears Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:03 AM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Help? Hi Lynne, You wrote: I've tried to contact the repository of the Dutch church records in New Jersey, but they won't talk to me. And, By the way, I just got my NYGBS magazine and I see that Russell L. Gasero is going to speak at the NYPL on April 25th. He is the archivist for the Reformed Church in America archives, located in the New Brunswick Theological Seminary. Is anyone going? I would be happy to pay someone to speak to him in my behalf - I really think his archives are my only hope for finding record of the marriage of Andrew Norwood and Annatje Van Norden. If anyone is willing to help me who is planning on hearing his talk, I'd love to communicate with you!!!! ***************************************** I think it is fair to say that Russel L. Gasero has very little to do with the actual church records (such as baptisms and/or marriages). His primary focus is to maintain the records mentioned below. https://www.rca.org/page.aspx?pid=1855 - *The Historical Directory of the Reformed Church in America, 1628-2000*, edited by Russell L. Gasero, lists all ministers who have served the RCA and the churches and years they served. It also lists all organized congregations by location with a list of the ministers who served each congregation. - A list of congregations<http://images.rca.org/docs/archives/chronocong regations.pdf>(425k), organized by year from 1628 to 1800, is available for download. - *The Dutch Reformed Church in the American Colonies*, by Dr. Gerald De Jong, is a valuable guide to the colonial period of the Reformed Church. (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1978) - The Guide to Local Church Records in the Archives of the Reformed Church in America <http://images.rca.org/docs/archives/churchrecords.pdf>(80k) lists all the congregational records in the RCA Archives. - Contact the RCA archivist, Russell L. Gasero, via email rgasero@rca.orgor by phone at (732) 246-1779. Best regards, Pam Sears ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Renee wrote: >>>1681 Dec 18; Klaas Jansz Romeyn, Styntjen Alberts; Gesbrechtje; Albert Albertz Terhunen, Hendrikje Stevens van Voorhees. (Vorhees transcription omits the surnames "Terhunen" and "van Vorhees" from the entry. on p. 413) >>>>>> Actually, Vorhees did not OMIT the surnames. Rather, he made an accurate transcription/translation of the Flatbush records, and in this case, the baptismal record simply did not include those surnames. His transcription reads, on page 413: * Flatbush Church Records. David Vorhees. Holland Society. 18 Dec [1681]; Child, Gesbrechtje; parents, Klaas Jansz Romeijn and Stijntje Alberts; witnesses, Albert Albertsz and Hendrikje Stephens. It was Henry Onderdonk, who did the original transcription for the Holland Society Yearbook in 1898 and he ADDED the surnames. That is one of the main reasons why the Onderdonk version, which Bob Billard has on his website, is considered to be in error and should only be used with caution. Hope this helps, Regards, Pam Sears

Hi listers, I need to alert you to a typo in my previous email. The following line, quoting from the deed, should read: Jan specifically states that he is selling his land to "his brother Dirck Jansen Ammerman" and not "my brother" as I carelessly typed. My apologies for the mistake. Renee L. Dauven

Hi Listers, It wasn't my intent but it seems that I left the "best" of the Flatlands documents that I culled a year ago for last. This document gives us the first direct proof of something that has been long suspected by Terhune and Ammerman researchers: that there was a familial relationship between the early Terhune family and the Ammerman family. Here is the list of baptisms that has had people looking at this for years, trying to find something that might prove it. Flatbush DRC: 1681 Dec 18; Klaas Jansz Romeyn, Styntjen Alberts; Gesbrechtje; Albert Albertz Terhunen, Hendrikje Stevens van Voorhees. (Vorhees transcription omits the surnames "Terhunen" and "van Vorhees" from the entry. on p. 413) 1682 Aug 13; Albert Albertz, Hendrikje Stevens; Germichje; Jan Martensz Schenk, Jannetie Stevens van Voorhees (Flatbush) 1685 Apr 03; Dirk Jansz Amerman, Altie van derbeek; Gerbrect; Jan Aardsz, Adriantje w. (Flatbush) No baptism has been found but Jan Alberts also named a daughter Jerobreg, per the will of her brother, Roelof: "my poer Sester Jeroebrec". You can view a 19th century copy of his will at the following URL. It is from NY Wills, Liber 23, p.3 as found on FHL #875154 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-28621-31156-37?cc=1920234&wc=M9S9-1LR:n912779115 Another document which has long perplexed this writer is the following baptism: Brooklyn DRC: 1686. August 1. Albert; parents: Klaes Jansen Romijnk, Stijntjen Alberts; witnesses: Dirck Jansen, Aeltje van der Beeck [Source:Jos van der Linde, translator and editor, under the direction of the Scholarship Committee of The Holland Society, "Old First Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, New York. First Book of Records, 1660-1752", New York Historical Manuscripts:Dutch (The Genealogical Publishing Company , Baltimore, MD, 1983), p. 125: In this baptims Aeltje van der Beeck is the half-sister of Maria Williams Bennet who was married to Claes Jansen's half-brother, Johannes Cristofellsen. The question that I had was that it seems like a rather distant relationship to be asking someone to be the witnesses (god-parents) for your son whom you are naming after your own father Why not pick a brother? Unless, of course, the husband in this case was the mother's (Styntie's) half-brother. That is what this document now proves. In this document Dirck Jansen Ammerman is buying land from both Lucas Stevensen (Van Voorhees) and Jan Albertsen (Terhune). Jan specifically states that he is selling his land to "my brother Dirck Jansen Ammerman". Now the usage of the name Gerrebrechtje begins to make sense and the presence of Ammermans at Terhune and Romine baptisms and vice versa is explained. It also explains why there is no Dirck Alberts Terhune and why the second son of the marriage of Albert and Geertje was named Jan, probably for the deceased first husband. It still leaves us with many questions. We still don't know where or when Albert Albertsen and Geertje Dircks married. Dirck Jansen Ammerman did take the 1687 Oath of Allegiance and stated that he had been in the province for 37 years, making 1650 the year of his arrival as well as the probable arrival of his mother. We don't know if she came with her first or second husband or even as widow with just her child. But it does seem to imply that the following baptism is probably that of the oldest son of Albert and Geertje Terhune: NY DRC 1651 Aug 13; Albert Albertszen; Albert; Wolfert Gerritszen van Couwenhoven, Grietie Van Nes I hope all will enjoy this document, not just Terhune and Ammerman researchers. I have not been a consistent Ammerman researcher so any and all comments are welcome. Here is the URL for the new document: http://notmyfamily.pbworks.com/w/page/65472844/Terhune%20Ammerman%20Deed%201702 Renee L. Dauven

Date: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 Time: 7:00 P.M. Location: Auditorium, New City Library 220 North Main Street New City, NY 10956 Topic: More Genealogy and Local History Go Hand in Hand! Speaker: Susan Filgueras Synopsis: Susan Filgueras, President of the Stony Point Historical Society, will identify some of the early families of the Town of Stony Point, emphasizing their contributions in the growth and development of Rockland County. Come with your questions about Stony Point's history and its families. Meetings are free and open to the public. Contact: R. L. Protzmann - Protzy41@optonline.net

To insert a plug here for North America, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, NYC, has Vermeer, Rembrandt, and other Dutch masterpieces.  Feed your aesthetic senses with these works until you can make it to Holland: http://www.metmuseum.org/search-results?ft=dutch+masters&x=7&y=10 (Of course, the very best painting in the whole world isn't Dutch at all; it's the portrait of "Juan de Pareja" by Velázquez. Sorry, but it's true. The Met has that one, too) ________________________________ > > From: Jeff Ward <jjward@scgc.org> > > . . .exhibition at the National Gallery in London in 2007 called "The Golden Age of Dutch Portraiture". . . > ================================================================

Howard, Thanks for sharing. That was an excellent article about the museum. I hope to make it to Amsterdam one day, and this will be one place I want to see. Nora On Friday, April 12, 2013, Howard Swain wrote: > Hi all, > > See: > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323550604578411023461778086.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopBucket#articleTabs%3Darticle > > Regards, > Howard > hswain@ix.netcom.com <javascript:;> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Renee, > > They had a son baptized at the DRC of NU:11 May 1786; Petrus; Johannes Holst, Dibbey Blake; [witnesses:] Johannes Holst, Dibbey Holst > > Records of the Reformed Church of New Utrecht, Long Island > > New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Vol 113, pg 169. > > I can certainly see why Bergen appears to have gotten confused when I > look at the baptismal record that you found because I am a bit confused > by it. Are the parents and the witnesses the same people? Is that how > you understand it? That is my understanding as well. Mike

Wow - Having children for 23 years - 1700 - 1723. Thanks a ton for the information! Dawn Wisconsin -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pamela J. Sears Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 7:55 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VANDEN BERG/VAN BUREN Dawn and Bill, Bill Forshay Dawn: Do you have any dates for Peter and Tryntje? Bill Forshay - San Antonio... dgoldens3@aol.com via<http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=13111 82> rootsweb.com to Bill, dutch-colonies The date of birth that I found for Pieter is: 23 Jun 1675 Tryntje - 1680 ************************************************************* Tryntje Van den Bergh was born about 1680 in Rensselaerswyck, the daughter of Cornelis Gysbertse Van den Bergh and Cornelia Wynants Van der Poel. Pieter Waldron was baptized (not born) on 23 June 1675 in the New York Reformed Dutch Church: 1675, 23 Jun; Willem Waldron, Engeltie Pieters; Pieter; Pieter Stoutenburg, Aeltie Waldron Pieter and Tryntje married 9 September 1698 (Banns 12 Aug) in the New York Reformed Dutch Church: 1698, den 12 Aug. Pieter Waldron, Jm. van N. Yorck, en Tryntie van der Berg, Jd. van N. Albanien, beyde woonende alhier. den 9 Sept. Pieter Waldron & Tryntje Van den Bergh had issue: New York Reformed Dutch Church 1) 1699, 19 Feb; Pieter Waldron, Tryntje Van den Berg; Engeltje; Willem Waldron, Rebecca Waldron wife of Jan Dentfort Reformed Dutch Church of Albany [HSYB 1904-1905] 2) 1700, 28 Apr; Willem, of Pieter Walderen and Tryntje Van den Berg. Wit.: Jacob Lancing, Cornelia Van den Berg. 3) 1702, 2 Dec; Cornelia, of Pieter Walderon and Tryntje Van den Berg. Wit.: Cornelis and Maria Van den Berg. 4) 1705, 18 Nov. Cornelis, of Pieter Walderon and Tryntje Van den Berg. Wit.: Cornelis and Maria Van Aalstede. 5) 1708, 23 May. Engeltje, of Pieter Walderon and Tryntje Van den Berg. Wit.: Gysbert Willemse Van den Berg, Cornelia Van Aalstein. 6) 1711, 24 Oct. Catrina, of Pieter Walderen and Catrina Van den Berg. Wit.: Willem and Catrina Van den Berg. 7) 1714, 11 Apr. Eva, of Pieter Walderingh and Catrina Waldering. Wit.: Gerrit Van den Berg, Engeltie Beekman 8) 1717, 26 Jul. Pieter, of Pieter and Tryntie Walderon. Wit.: Wilhelm and Geertie V. den Bergh. 9) 1719, 30 Aug. Rebecca, of Pieter and Tryntie Walderon. Wit.: Wynant Van der Poel, Catryna Gilbert. 10) 1723, 7 Apr. Gerrit, of Pieter and Tryntie Walderom. Wit.: Gerr. V. D. Bergh, Chath. V. D. Poel. Best regards, Pam Sears ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6241 - Release Date: 04/12/13 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6243 - Release Date: 04/13/13

Dawn and Bill, Bill Forshay Dawn: Do you have any dates for Peter and Tryntje? Bill Forshay - San Antonio... dgoldens3@aol.com via<http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=1311182> rootsweb.com to Bill, dutch-colonies The date of birth that I found for Pieter is: 23 Jun 1675 Tryntje - 1680 ************************************************************* Tryntje Van den Bergh was born about 1680 in Rensselaerswyck, the daughter of Cornelis Gysbertse Van den Bergh and Cornelia Wynants Van der Poel. Pieter Waldron was baptized (not born) on 23 June 1675 in the New York Reformed Dutch Church: 1675, 23 Jun; Willem Waldron, Engeltie Pieters; Pieter; Pieter Stoutenburg, Aeltie Waldron Pieter and Tryntje married 9 September 1698 (Banns 12 Aug) in the New York Reformed Dutch Church: 1698, den 12 Aug. Pieter Waldron, Jm. van N. Yorck, en Tryntie van der Berg, Jd. van N. Albanien, beyde woonende alhier. den 9 Sept. Pieter Waldron & Tryntje Van den Bergh had issue: New York Reformed Dutch Church 1) 1699, 19 Feb; Pieter Waldron, Tryntje Van den Berg; Engeltje; Willem Waldron, Rebecca Waldron wife of Jan Dentfort Reformed Dutch Church of Albany [HSYB 1904-1905] 2) 1700, 28 Apr; Willem, of Pieter Walderen and Tryntje Van den Berg. Wit.: Jacob Lancing, Cornelia Van den Berg. 3) 1702, 2 Dec; Cornelia, of Pieter Walderon and Tryntje Van den Berg. Wit.: Cornelis and Maria Van den Berg. 4) 1705, 18 Nov. Cornelis, of Pieter Walderon and Tryntje Van den Berg. Wit.: Cornelis and Maria Van Aalstede. 5) 1708, 23 May. Engeltje, of Pieter Walderon and Tryntje Van den Berg. Wit.: Gysbert Willemse Van den Berg, Cornelia Van Aalstein. 6) 1711, 24 Oct. Catrina, of Pieter Walderen and Catrina Van den Berg. Wit.: Willem and Catrina Van den Berg. 7) 1714, 11 Apr. Eva, of Pieter Walderingh and Catrina Waldering. Wit.: Gerrit Van den Berg, Engeltie Beekman 8) 1717, 26 Jul. Pieter, of Pieter and Tryntie Walderon. Wit.: Wilhelm and Geertie V. den Bergh. 9) 1719, 30 Aug. Rebecca, of Pieter and Tryntie Walderon. Wit.: Wynant Van der Poel, Catryna Gilbert. 10) 1723, 7 Apr. Gerrit, of Pieter and Tryntie Walderom. Wit.: Gerr. V. D. Bergh, Chath. V. D. Poel. Best regards, Pam Sears

Mike, Thank you for the explanation of the background of this family. On 4/12/2013 5:30 PM, Michael Morrissey wrote: > There Bergen assigns this as the 2nd marriage of the immigrant, Johannes Holsaert. However, other evidence shows that his first wife, Johanna Havens did not die until much later. It seems that some researchers realized the discrepancy and thought the marriage must be of his son, Johannes Holsaert II, who must then have been born about 1658, see > http://hulsenet.net/8.html > > In fact, the marriage appears to have been of his great-grandson, John Holsaert, who married a Deborah Blake, > Johannes Holsaert and Deborah Blake married on 17 May 1777. > New York Genealogical& Biographical Society Library manuscript files: Josephine C Frost collection. > They had a son baptized at the DRC of NU:11 May 1786; Petrus; Johannes Holst, Dibbey Blake; [witnesses:] Johannes Holst, Dibbey Holst > Records of the Reformed Church of New Utrecht, Long Island > New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Vol 113, pg 169. > Johannes Holsaert II was most likely born about 1672 as he in not listed in the 1687 Kings Co. Oath of Allegiance > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/1687roll.html I can certainly see why Bergen appears to have gotten confused when I look at the baptismal record that you found because I am a bit confused by it. Are the parents and the witnesses the same people? Is that how you understand it? Thanks for the information. Renee L. Dauven

The date of birth that I found for Pieter is: 23 Jun 1675 Tryntje - 1680 -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Forshay Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 2:54 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VANDEN BERG/VAN BUREN Dawn:  Do you have any dates for Peter and Tryntje?            Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >________________________________ > From: "dgoldens3@aol.com" <dgoldens3@aol.com> >To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 7:19 PM >Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VANDEN BERG/VAN BUREN > > >HI, > >I am trying to find more information on my 9th great grandparents. > >Their names were: >Cornelius Vanden Bergh >Marial Van Buren > >I am direct granddaughter thru their daughter:  Tryntje Cornelis Vanden >Bergh > >She was married to Pieter Waldron - grandson of Resolved Waldron. > >I don't know much about them.  I suspect that they were alive around >early 1700s? > >Any suggestions would be great. > >Dawn >Wisconsin > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6241 - Release Date: 04/12/13 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6243 - Release Date: 04/13/13

Dawn, Pieter Waldron (1675-1725) who married Tryntje Van Den Bergh was the son of William Waldron (son of Resolved) and Engeltje Stoutenberg.  Tryntje was the daughter of Cornelis Gysbertszen Van Den Bergh and Cornelia Van Der Poel.  There’s no baptism for her, but she's mentioned in her father's 1714 will as “Tryntje, wife of Pieter Waldron” (NY Calendar of Wills – link below). Their first 4 children were Engeltje bapt. 1699 NY, William bapt. 1700 Albany, Cornelia bapt. 1702 Albany and Cornelis bapt. 1705 at Albany.   http://archive.org/stream/calendarwillson00appegoog#page/n473/mode/2up   NY Reformed Ch. Marriage: 1698, 9 Sep; Pieter Waldron, jm van N. Yorck; Tryntie van der Berg, jd van N. Albanien, beyde woonende alhier.   NY Reformed Ch. baptisms: 1675, Jun 23; Willem Waldron, Engeltie Pieters; Pieter; Pieter Stoutenburg, Aeltie Waldron 1699, Feb 19; Pieter Waldron, Tryntje Van den Berg; Engeltje; Willem Waldron, Rebecca Waldron wife of Jan Dentfort   Albany Reformed Ch. baptisms: 1700, Apr 28; Willem, of Pieter Walderen and Tryntje Van den Berg. Wit.: Jacob Lancing, Cornelia Van den Berg. 1702, Dec 2; Cornelia, of Pieter Walderon and Tryntje Van den Berg. Wit.: Cornelis and Maria Van den Berg. 1705, Nov 18. Cornelis, of Pieter Walderon and Tryntje Van den Berg. Wit.: Cornelis and Maria Van Aalstede.  Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "dgoldens3@aol.com" <dgoldens3@aol.com> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:19 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VANDEN BERG/VAN BUREN HI, I am trying to find more information on my 9th great grandparents. Their names were: Cornelius Vanden Bergh Marial Van Buren I am direct granddaughter thru their daughter:  Tryntje Cornelis Vanden Bergh She was married to Pieter Waldron - grandson of Resolved Waldron. I don't know much about them.  I suspect that they were alive around early 1700s? Any suggestions would be great. Dawn Wisconsin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dawn:  Do you have any dates for Peter and Tryntje?            Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >________________________________ > From: "dgoldens3@aol.com" <dgoldens3@aol.com> >To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 7:19 PM >Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VANDEN BERG/VAN BUREN > > >HI, > >I am trying to find more information on my 9th great grandparents. > >Their names were: >Cornelius Vanden Bergh >Marial Van Buren > >I am direct granddaughter thru their daughter:  Tryntje Cornelis Vanden >Bergh > >She was married to Pieter Waldron - grandson of Resolved Waldron. > >I don't know much about them.  I suspect that they were alive around early >1700s? > >Any suggestions would be great. > >Dawn >Wisconsin > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Lynne, You wrote: I've tried to contact the repository of the Dutch church records in New Jersey, but they won't talk to me. And, By the way, I just got my NYGBS magazine and I see that Russell L. Gasero is going to speak at the NYPL on April 25th. He is the archivist for the Reformed Church in America archives, located in the New Brunswick Theological Seminary. Is anyone going? I would be happy to pay someone to speak to him in my behalf - I really think his archives are my only hope for finding record of the marriage of Andrew Norwood and Annatje Van Norden. If anyone is willing to help me who is planning on hearing his talk, I'd love to communicate with you!!!! ***************************************** I think it is fair to say that Russel L. Gasero has very little to do with the actual church records (such as baptisms and/or marriages). His primary focus is to maintain the records mentioned below. https://www.rca.org/page.aspx?pid=1855 - *The Historical Directory of the Reformed Church in America, 1628-2000*, edited by Russell L. Gasero, lists all ministers who have served the RCA and the churches and years they served. It also lists all organized congregations by location with a list of the ministers who served each congregation. - A list of congregations<http://images.rca.org/docs/archives/chronocongregations.pdf>(425k), organized by year from 1628 to 1800, is available for download. - *The Dutch Reformed Church in the American Colonies*, by Dr. Gerald De Jong, is a valuable guide to the colonial period of the Reformed Church. (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1978) - The Guide to Local Church Records in the Archives of the Reformed Church in America <http://images.rca.org/docs/archives/churchrecords.pdf>(80k) lists all the congregational records in the RCA Archives. - Contact the RCA archivist, Russell L. Gasero, via email rgasero@rca.orgor by phone at (732) 246-1779. Best regards, Pam Sears

There was not always a marriage record in New Jersey although some of those have been published. So you might try the New Jersey State Archives which do have marriage license records on line, but only after a certain date. Often a marriage is determined from the baptism of the supp. first child, mentioned in a Bible, husbands or fathers will, that kind of thing. Often they do not appear in the church records and the book kept by the minister of such unions seem to be missing for a great many churches. In the very early days of New Jersey, the minister traveled from location to location and may have only been there twice a year, so perhaps it was the Deacons or Elders of the Church's who married the couple prior to his arrival. If he kept them in his possession, as was sometimes the case, they could be missing for many reasons. Rev. Theodorus Jacobus Frelinghuysen in 1727 whose home was at Three Mile Run near New Brunswick, served several outlying congregations in Central New Jersey. "This extended and partially unsettled circuit was something of a strain upon the reverend's energies and only occasional services were held" [GMNJ 15:1. Since the Records of the Harlingen Church, formerly Over-The-Mill Church and Sourlandt were found in the safe at the Harlingen rectory perhaps that may or may be the case for your Church in New Jersey. One other place you might look at the records is: Richard H. Steele, Historical Discourse Delivered at the Celebration of the One Hundred and Fiftieth Anniversary of the First Reformed Church of New Brunswick, N. J., October 1, 1867 (New Brunswick, NJ: The Consistory, 1867), 198- and then beginning on page 209, is a list of Members of the River ad Lawrence Brook Congregration 1717-. Many of these people were later members of the First Reformed Dutch Church of New Brunswick, but I believe these are the only records which exist. The book can be read on line Judy Cassidy On 04/13/13, Lynne Roberts<[1]lnr@surewest.net> wrote: I have come to my wits end - have managed to accumulate a thorough and detailed genealogy for my fifth great grandfather - Andrew (Andries) Norwood (Nurwood, Narwood, Norrid, etc) - b. bef. 4 Apr 1703, NY, NY, NY, d. 23 Jan 1787, lived most of his adult life in New Brunswick, Middlesex, NJ, died in Hoosick, Rensselaer Co, NY - and thanks to much assistance from you all (thanks Pam Sears, Mike Morrissey, Howard Swain, et al) have done a good job of detailing the lives of their progeny. I have managed to gather up all the records held by the New Jersey and New York Archives regarding this family. However, I am completely stumped with the marriage record of Andrew Norwood and Annatje (Hannah) Van Norden (although the fact of the marriage is well documented through baptism and probate records). Now, there has to be some record of the marriage - somewhere. I've tried to contact the repository of the Dutch church records in New Jersey, but they won't talk to me. I've tried the FHL - and have gone through films that just might be relevant - and I've surfed the net until I'm blue in the face - NOTHING. So, I don't think I'll strike gold a second time, don't expect another Mike Morrissey to come galloping in with the answer to all my questions - but I'm really sincerely hoping that one of you will have a great - a good - suggestion for a possible source that I might have missed. I've run dry. I really don't know where else to look - but frankly, I'm not interested in throwing in the towel. By the way, I just got my NYGBS magazine and I see that Russell L. Gasero is going to speak at the NYPL on April 25th. He is the archivist for the Reformed Church in America archives, located in the New Brunswick Theological Seminary. Is anyone going? I would be happy to pay someone to speak to him in my behalf - I really think his archives are my only hope for finding record of the marriage of Andrew Norwood and Annatje Van Norden. If anyone is willing to help me who is planning on hearing his talk, I'd love to communicate with you!!!! And if anyone has any suggestions for a possible source for this marriage record, please pass it on. I'm just out of ideas. Lynne Lynne Roberts Roseville, CA [2]http://www.lynnesgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[3]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:lnr@surewest.net 2. http://www.lynnesgenealogy.com/ 3. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com

I could be wrong on the parents. I got the names from someone, but no source to back it up. Would love to learn more! Dawn Sent from my iPad On Apr 12, 2013, at 11:54 PM, "SShreeve" <calandsally@cableone.net> wrote: > I think it probably means born and living in Colonial Rensselaerwyck Manor. > Are you sure that these are the parents of your Tryntje? I have the > parents of the Tryntje who married Pieter Waldron as Cornelius Gysbertse Van > Den Bergh and Cornelia Van Der Poel, but I could be wrong. His will dated 3 > Mar 1714 and proved 6 July 1717. Mentions his wife, their children, real > property in the cities of Albany and New York City, and a home farm on the > east side of the Hudson River, 1 mile back into the woods. The children > listed in order from the will were Gysbert, Gerrit, Cornelia, Tryntje, > Maritje, Cornelia, Mathias, Gertje, Wynant, and Goosen. > I only have one child listed for Cornelis and Maria (although there are > probably more) so I can't help with that Tryntje but I do have some history > going back on either line. Probably someone else on the list can help with > parents. > I have Maria as the daughter of Maas Cornelius Van Buren. Maria was the > sister of Pieter Martense Van Buren who was the great-grandfather of > Pesident Martin Van Buren. > Sally > > -----Original Message----- > From: dgoldens3@aol.com > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:34 PM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VANDEN BERG/VAN BUREN > > Thank you so much. > > Question: What does b. and l. mean > So Maria is most likely the daughter of Martin Cornelise Van Buren?? > > Thanks, > Dawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SShreeve > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:37 PM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VANDEN BERG/VAN BUREN > >> From the records of the Albany Reformed Dutch Church: > 1702, Nov. 21. Reg. Cornelis Gerritse Van den Berg, y.m., and Maria Van > Bueren, wid. of Jan Teewisse Van Deuse, both b. and l. in Col. R. Ma., r > Dec. > 20, at h. of Mayor, Albert Rykman. > > Cornelis Van den Berg's father was Gerrit Gybertse Van den Berg. My notes > on him: In 1663 he lived in Beverwyck, Albany, NY, as a servant to Jan > Barent WEMP and was a commissioner of Kinderhook, Albany, NY, in 1686. In > 1662 removed to farm of Martin Cornelise Van Buren on west side of river > south of Albany, NY, and in records up to 1685; his occupation was a farmer. > > Source is page 11 of "The Van Den Berghs in America" compiled by D. Wade > Stockman, and potter@capital.net, Ruth Potter. > > I have brief notes on Pieter: > PAR: William Waldron and Engeltie Stoutenbrught (of NY) (VAN HIS 001) > CHR: Witnesses Pieter Stoutenburg and Aeltie Walkdron (VAN HIS 067) > > Sally > Idaho > > -----Original Message----- > From: dgoldens3@aol.com > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 5:19 PM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VANDEN BERG/VAN BUREN > > HI, > > I am trying to find more information on my 9th great grandparents. > > Their names were: > Cornelius Vanden Bergh > Marial Van Buren > > I am direct granddaughter thru their daughter: Tryntje Cornelis Vanden > Bergh > > She was married to Pieter Waldron - grandson of Resolved Waldron. > > I don't know much about them. I suspect that they were alive around early > 1700s? > > Any suggestions would be great. > > Dawn > Wisconsin > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6223 - Release Date: 04/03/13 > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pam, Thank you for the baptisms and the will abstract and corrections. It is greatly appreciated. Liz J On 12 April 2013 20:20, Pamela J. Sears <pjsears904@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Liz, et al, > > I don't have much, so for what its worth. > > The two baptismal records at New Utrecht for Willem Bennet & Antje h.v. > are: > > [NYG&B Record 112(1981):211] "Records of the Reformed Dutch Church of New > Utrecht, Long Island, NY" > 1732, 30 Jan, Jacob, of Wm. & Anna BENNET > wit: Jacob Bennet, Angenietie Bennet, his daughter > > [NYG&B Record 113(1982):13] "Records of the Reformed Dutch Church of New > Utrecht, Long Island, NY" > 1735, 4 May, Neltje, of Wm. & Anatie BENNET > wit: Peter Meserol, Sara s.v. > > Unfortunately, not much to go on. I have no firm birth and/or baptismal > dates for the other children. > > Here's the will abstract you asked about: > > Abstracts of Wills Vol V 1754-1760, New York, page 336: Liber 21 > Page 400.--In the name of God, Amen, December 21, 1755. I, WILHELMUS > BENNIT, of Brookland, in Kings County, farmer, being very sick. It is my > will that my wife Antie and my two sons Jacob and Johanes shall stay in my > house for 10 years to bring up my younger children, but they have power to > sell if they find it necessary. I leave all estate to my wife and children, > Jacob, Johanes, Wilhelmus, Anthony, Rachel, Angeltie, Catharine, Abraham, > and Margaretie, "But my son Jacob must have £10 for his birth right." > > Witnesses, Jacob Butt, Jacob Stillingworth, Simon Boerum. Proved, September > 12, 1759. > > Abstracts of Wills, Vol XVI, Corrections Vol I > p 336 > Will of Wilhelmus Bennit read Wilhelmus Bennet. > 7 lines from top for Antie read Anatie Bennet. > 12 lines from top for Angeltie and Catharine read Angenietie and Cornelis > Bennet. > 14 lines from top for Jacob Butt and Jacob Stillingworth read Jacob Bennet > and Jacob Stillingwort. > > > That's it for now. > > Best regards, > Pam Sears > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, Would any of our Listers be able do a lookup on earlier or later Ulster Co, NY Tax Lists for the Van Aken surname (maybe NYGBR Vol 62 &63)? How were the tax lists ordered? Are they in some way related to land holdings? Are these neighbors? Has anyone correlated the tax lists with maps of the area? Would love to put boots down on the land of our VA ancestors. Normal0falsefalsefalseEN-USX-NONEX-NONEMicrosoftInternetExplorer4 Tax List1716/1717. Rochester, Ulster Co. : Normal0falsefalsefalseEN-USX-NONEX-NONEMicrosoftInternetExplorer4Marynis van Aken, £65. Listed between Moses Du Puis, £400 and Jochem Schoonmaker, £290. Cornelis Van Aken , £10 Tax List1716/1717. Kingston, Ulster Co: Pietter van aken, £40. Listed between Tjerk DeWitt, £390 and Jannetie Winne, £8.Thanks, AnnVA/VA Newsletter

I have come to my wits end - have managed to accumulate a thorough and detailed genealogy for my fifth great grandfather - Andrew (Andries) Norwood (Nurwood, Narwood, Norrid, etc) - b. bef. 4 Apr 1703, NY, NY, NY, d. 23 Jan 1787, lived most of his adult life in New Brunswick, Middlesex, NJ, died in Hoosick, Rensselaer Co, NY - and thanks to much assistance from you all (thanks Pam Sears, Mike Morrissey, Howard Swain, et al) have done a good job of detailing the lives of their progeny. I have managed to gather up all the records held by the New Jersey and New York Archives regarding this family. However, I am completely stumped with the marriage record of Andrew Norwood and Annatje (Hannah) Van Norden (although the fact of the marriage is well documented through baptism and probate records). Now, there has to be some record of the marriage - somewhere. I've tried to contact the repository of the Dutch church records in New Jersey, but they won't talk to me. I've tried the FHL - and have gone through films that just might be relevant - and I've surfed the net until I'm blue in the face - NOTHING. So, I don't think I'll strike gold a second time, don't expect another Mike Morrissey to come galloping in with the answer to all my questions - but I'm really sincerely hoping that one of you will have a great - a good - suggestion for a possible source that I might have missed. I've run dry. I really don't know where else to look - but frankly, I'm not interested in throwing in the towel. By the way, I just got my NYGBS magazine and I see that Russell L. Gasero is going to speak at the NYPL on April 25th. He is the archivist for the Reformed Church in America archives, located in the New Brunswick Theological Seminary. Is anyone going? I would be happy to pay someone to speak to him in my behalf - I really think his archives are my only hope for finding record of the marriage of Andrew Norwood and Annatje Van Norden. If anyone is willing to help me who is planning on hearing his talk, I'd love to communicate with you!!!! And if anyone has any suggestions for a possible source for this marriage record, please pass it on. I'm just out of ideas. Lynne Lynne Roberts Roseville, CA http://www.lynnesgenealogy.com