Hi Willora Glee and cousins, You did share those listings with me Willora, and I posted them on findagrave -- at least all of those that were not already on there -- and added family info to those I knew about. Also Mr. Weaner gave me his transcript of the burials in the northern cemetery, I have a copy of the listing that is in the Pennsylvania Archives, Willora Glee sent me her list, and my hubby and I walked both burial grounds in the last few years. Also whenever I have a few minutes I research the names on ancestry and other sites to help get the families sorted out and to verify info about the names. I am now going over the Gettysburg Times' 1960 series "A Bit of History About Early Settlers." There have always many errors and much confusion about the two cemeteries, Northern and Southern. Some of the people are listed in both places. I have corresponded with findagrave about the problem but am not sure the listings are all straightened out yet. Here is a hot link to the NORTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes called Osborns: http://goo.gl/jGLhz When that page opens, click on "view all interments" at the upper right. There are 64 memorials listed. You can double click on the underlined names to open and read what has been posted. If you have documentation of someone buried there who is not listed, even if there is no marker remaining, please email me at carolynleonard@me.com and I will try to fix it. Of course, you have to have some type of proof they are buried there. If you see an error, click on the "edit" tab at the top right of the memorial page, enter the correct info and send. The person who is responsible for maintaining that memorial will receive it. I am responsible for only 25 of the 64 memorials there now. There are 72 burials listed in the Southern or Lower Low Dutch cemetery. Here is a hot link to the SOUTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes called Youngs: http://goo.gl/cLNo0 I would be happy to receive any info any of you have that would help. You can email it to me at carolynleonard@me.com. By the way -- We are preparing for our once every two year Gathering of Low Dutch Cousins. We are descendants of the Low Dutch who settled New Amsterdam, moved to New Jersey, migrated to near Gettysburg, and made history when they later populated the Kentucky frontier. Our Dutch Cousins goal is to research, share and preserve the genealogy and history of our common Low Dutch heritage, including but not limited to, the restoration and preservation of the Old Mud Meetinghouse near Harrodsburg, KY. Our mission is to honor the memory of these ancestors, and enjoy the friendship of cousins - both newly-discovered and long-loved. To learn more about the Low Dutch check out our official webpage managed by Pam Ellingson webmaster: www.DutchCousins.org; Also you can go to www.carolynbleonard.com and click on Dutch Cousins, and the LOWDUTCHHERITAGE; sign up for the Dutch Letters round robin weekly email Buffalo234@cox.net; and visit the Dutch Cousins Facebook page. Download free genealogy stuff at http://bit.ly/Genealogystuff Blessings & Best wishes, cousin carolyn in Oklahoma On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:56 AM, dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. I was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists but not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one of the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to handle this? > Glee Van Osdol Krapf

Cor, Does this lack of space for graves encourage the Dutch to use cremation instead of burial? In some parts of the US today, there are more cremations than burials today. Some of the cremations result in "inurnments" in above-ground columbariums which take up much less space than traditional cemeteries, but are part of cemeteries. Some people have their ashes scattered, or buried in a churchyard, or something of the type. Memorial services can be held instead of a traditional funeral with a casket present, whether there is a burial or a cremation. Cremations are fairly recent in many parts of the US today. One of my uncles was cremated in the 1970s, my father in 2000, my mother's plans include cremation, as do mine. Their remains are all in the same columbarium. My ashes will be placed at a camp that has been meaningful to me for many decades. Another aunt had her ashes scattered on a favorite hiking mountain. Doris Waggoner Seattle, Washington, USA On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:16 PM, cor snabel <cor.snabel@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear list, > > > To me it's amazing to see graves as old as 1750 or even older. > > Here in the Netherlands a grave from 1950 is an rare exception. > > Because we have so little space in our overcrowded country, one can only > rent a grave for a limited time. > > > We know two kinds of graves, the general grave and the private grave. > > > In a general grave, which is most common, two or three people are buried, > who were usually (during their lifetime) strangers to each other. They each > have their own small gravestone close to each other. After ten years these > graves are removed to make place for someone else. > > > The private grave or family grave is also rented, but one can rent it for > 10, 20 or 30 years. After that period the rent can be extended with another > 10 or 20 years. And the contractant is free to decide who will be buried > there. > > > There are only a few “eternal graves”. Those graves last until the > graveyard stops to excist. But that option is no longer possible. > > > Regards > > Cor Snabel > > The Netherlands > > > > > > > > On 23 April 2013 20:52, <jacassidy22@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > This information was contained in a letter sent to me by Arthur Weaner > > in > > 1983 after I had asked him about the ministers copy. > > Unfortunately Mr. Osborn never showed or shared either the Dutch or > > English > > cemetery plan, the latter plan he is supposed to have taken to the > > cemetery > > between two pieces of glass to facilitate his work. As a guess in the > > late > > 1970's his house was robbed and my understanding is that in same he > > lost > > the treasured cemetery plot plans. FROM MEMORY, he inferred the loss. > > I > > suppose some what grieved that if he had shared with me his loss of > the > > original they could be replaced from my Copy. > > Mr. Osborn died 7 Nov. 1783, age 67, buried in Biglerville Cem, > > although he > > wishes to be buried in the Low Dutch Swift Run Cemetery. I believe > the > > current owner is Carol Joy Baker and she purchased it from the Osborne > > family. I will have to dig out the advertisement. > > SO both Mr. Osbourne and Arthur did have some kind of map which they > > apparently drew, but not the ministers copy which would have been in > > Dutch. > > Mr. Osbourne probably made his own map and copy after the robbery. > > Since > > many dates on the map Glee has are after 1800, this is not the > > original, but > > there were TWO drawings made of the cemetery PLUS the original plat > > plan. > > Judy > > > > > > On 04/23/13, marguerite puca<jerseymap@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Could you take pictures of the 7 pages (plus map) and post the pics? > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Willora Glee <[1]gleek@ptd.net> > > wrote: > > > I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. > I > > > was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and > > > South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I > > > could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to > > > the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for > > > over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn > > > Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists > but > > > not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one > of > > > the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a > > > stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to > > > be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to > > handle > > > this? > > > Glee Van Osdol Krapf > > > > > > > > > At 11:12 AM 4/22/2013, you wrote: > > > > > > > Both the Dorland Cemetery on Sunset Road in Montgomery Twp. > Somerset > > > > County, NJ and the Conewago Cemetery on Swift Run Road are > comprised > > > of > > > > grave makers which are basically field stone rocks which, if > lucky, > > > are > > > > marked with initials and a date. The date of the Dorland > > > > Cemetery is around > > > > 1735 with burials ending by 1800, while the Conewago Cemetery > > > probably was > > > > established ca. 1772 however burials continued into the 1900's > > > > with only two > > > > burials, one a gypsy boy buried ca. 1910-1912 and David Weaner > > burial > > > in > > > > 1964. More times than not, there is just a stone marker and those > > > can be > > > > just the tip of the stone, the stone may have sunk into the > ground, > > > fallen > > > > on its side so only a odd shaped stone sticks up, that kind of > > thing. > > > Most > > > > of these are rough read colored stones at Conewago and field > stones > > > which > > > > seem to be cut in a long narrow shape with an indent half way > > > > down the stone > > > > at the Dorland cemetery. > > > > Conewago RDCh. families later erected the more familiar > gravestones > > > on a > > > > few family plots, but today there are many unmarked graves, the > > > > field stones > > > > long gone. There was a man, Gerry Byers, a german man who was > > > employed by > > > > the church in the 1700's who was the custodian of the cemetery, > > > whether or > > > > not he was responsible for the cutting of the field stones was > never > > > > mentioned but these were not just superficial stones, they were > > > > long enough > > > > and mostly narrow, as were the Dorland stones to be sunk deeply > into > > > the > > > > ground. > > > > The Dorland field stones were crushed by heavy farm equipment > > > > which had been > > > > parked there and/or pushed down under the ground by the weight of > > the > > > > equipment. While the Conewago Cemetery was enclosed by a stone > wall, > > > the > > > > Dorland cemetery was never that fortunate. There is a limited list > > of > > > > burials for Conewago but in order to determine whether or > > > > not your ancestor > > > > was actually buried there, the baptismal, deacons records and > > > > wills need to > > > > be consulted. They are not going to actually state that so and so > > was > > > > buried there, however. Since the church was located next door to > the > > > > cemetery, later closer to Route 30, and there was also a southern > > > cemetery > > > > for the use of the Low Dutch living in that area. If someone in > this > > > > community died between 1772 and say 1804 when the church was > closed > > > what > > > > remained of the congregation scattered to other churches. Some of > > > these > > > > families were buried in the church cemetery. Burials did, as > > > mentioned > > > > take place after 1804, as not all families migrated to Kentucky or > > > Ohio, > > > > however, they were few. Burials in the early years seemed to be > not > > > in > > > > family plots but when the person died, so you have the members of > > the > > > > congregation mixed together. Initials and dates, if lucky, were > > > > chiseled or > > > > scratched into the stone but they were professionally done. That > may > > > have > > > > been Mr. Byers job to do. He and his family also migrated down to > > > Kentucky > > > > in 1783 -1790. > > > > At one time apparently there was a list of burials and a map > showing > > > their > > > > location at Conewago which the caretaker in 1963 had in his > > > possession. > > > > Arther Weaner could never get him to show this map to him. He > could > > > point > > > > out the location of who was buried where, but that document has > > > > never been > > > > made public, we know from the John Dorland Cremer book that 30 > > > > to 40 burials > > > > were in the Dorland cemetery with head and footstones. > > > > The major concern is that throughout many counties and states > > because > > > they > > > > ancient Dutch burial grounds did not look like what people in the > > last > > > > century felt cemeteries should look like, well then they were > just a > > > field > > > > of rocks. This is probably been the largest cause of their > > > > demise, farmers > > > > plowed them under, developers built houses on them, that kind of > > > thing. > > > > Does any one else have a early Dutch family cemetery or know of a > > > Dutch > > > > Church cemetery in which the early burials were marked with field > > > stones? > > > > Judy Cassidy > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >DU[2]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DU[3]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DU[4]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > References > > > > 1. mailto:gleek@ptd.net > > 2. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > > 3. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > > 4. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is very interesting, What was customary back in the 1600's when our ancestors lived in the Netherlands? Judy On 04/23/13, cor snabel<cor.snabel@gmail.com> wrote: Dear list, To me it's amazing to see graves as old as 1750 or even older. Here in the Netherlands a grave from 1950 is an rare exception. Because we have so little space in our overcrowded country, one can only rent a grave for a limited time. We know two kinds of graves, the general grave and the private grave. In a general grave, which is most common, two or three people are buried, who were usually (during their lifetime) strangers to each other. They each have their own small gravestone close to each other. After ten years these graves are removed to make place for someone else. The private grave or family grave is also rented, but one can rent it for 10, 20 or 30 years. After that period the rent can be extended with another 10 or 20 years. And the contractant is free to decide who will be buried there. There are only a few âeternal gravesâ. Those graves last until the graveyard stops to excist. But that option is no longer possible. Regards Cor Snabel The Netherlands On 23 April 2013 20:52, <[1]jacassidy22@verizon.net> wrote: > > This information was contained in a letter sent to me by Arthur Weaner > in > 1983 after I had asked him about the ministers copy. > Unfortunately Mr. Osborn never showed or shared either the Dutch or > English > cemetery plan, the latter plan he is supposed to have taken to the > cemetery > between two pieces of glass to facilitate his work. As a guess in the > late > 1970's his house was robbed and my understanding is that in same he > lost > the treasured cemetery plot plans. FROM MEMORY, he inferred the loss. > I > suppose some what grieved that if he had shared with me his loss of the > original they could be replaced from my Copy. > Mr. Osborn died 7 Nov. 1783, age 67, buried in Biglerville Cem, > although he > wishes to be buried in the Low Dutch Swift Run Cemetery. I believe the > current owner is Carol Joy Baker and she purchased it from the Osborne > family. I will have to dig out the advertisement. > SO both Mr. Osbourne and Arthur did have some kind of map which they > apparently drew, but not the ministers copy which would have been in > Dutch. > Mr. Osbourne probably made his own map and copy after the robbery. > Since > many dates on the map Glee has are after 1800, this is not the > original, but > there were TWO drawings made of the cemetery PLUS the original plat > plan. > Judy > > > On 04/23/13, marguerite puca<[2]jerseymap@gmail.com> wrote: > > Could you take pictures of the 7 pages (plus map) and post the pics? > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Willora Glee <[1][3]gleek@ptd.net> > wrote: > > I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. I > > was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and > > South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I > > could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to > > the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for > > over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn > > Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists but > > not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one of > > the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a > > stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to > > be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to > handle > > this? > > Glee Van Osdol Krapf > > > > > > At 11:12 AM 4/22/2013, you wrote: > > > > > Both the Dorland Cemetery on Sunset Road in Montgomery Twp. Somerset > > > County, NJ and the Conewago Cemetery on Swift Run Road are comprised > > of > > > grave makers which are basically field stone rocks which, if lucky, > > are > > > marked with initials and a date. The date of the Dorland > > > Cemetery is around > > > 1735 with burials ending by 1800, while the Conewago Cemetery > > probably was > > > established ca. 1772 however burials continued into the 1900's > > > with only two > > > burials, one a gypsy boy buried ca. 1910-1912 and David Weaner > burial > > in > > > 1964. More times than not, there is just a stone marker and those > > can be > > > just the tip of the stone, the stone may have sunk into the ground, > > fallen > > > on its side so only a odd shaped stone sticks up, that kind of > thing. > > Most > > > of these are rough read colored stones at Conewago and field stones > > which > > > seem to be cut in a long narrow shape with an indent half way > > > down the stone > > > at the Dorland cemetery. > > > Conewago RDCh. families later erected the more familiar gravestones > > on a > > > few family plots, but today there are many unmarked graves, the > > > field stones > > > long gone. There was a man, Gerry Byers, a german man who was > > employed by > > > the church in the 1700's who was the custodian of the cemetery, > > whether or > > > not he was responsible for the cutting of the field stones was never > > > mentioned but these were not just superficial stones, they were > > > long enough > > > and mostly narrow, as were the Dorland stones to be sunk deeply into > > the > > > ground. > > > The Dorland field stones were crushed by heavy farm equipment > > > which had been > > > parked there and/or pushed down under the ground by the weight of > the > > > equipment. While the Conewago Cemetery was enclosed by a stone wall, > > the > > > Dorland cemetery was never that fortunate. There is a limited list > of > > > burials for Conewago but in order to determine whether or > > > not your ancestor > > > was actually buried there, the baptismal, deacons records and > > > wills need to > > > be consulted. They are not going to actually state that so and so > was > > > buried there, however. Since the church was located next door to the > > > cemetery, later closer to Route 30, and there was also a southern > > cemetery > > > for the use of the Low Dutch living in that area. If someone in this > > > community died between 1772 and say 1804 when the church was closed > > what > > > remained of the congregation scattered to other churches. Some of > > these > > > families were buried in the church cemetery. Burials did, as > > mentioned > > > take place after 1804, as not all families migrated to Kentucky or > > Ohio, > > > however, they were few. Burials in the early years seemed to be not > > in > > > family plots but when the person died, so you have the members of > the > > > congregation mixed together. Initials and dates, if lucky, were > > > chiseled or > > > scratched into the stone but they were professionally done. That may > > have > > > been Mr. Byers job to do. He and his family also migrated down to > > Kentucky > > > in 1783 -1790. > > > At one time apparently there was a list of burials and a map showing > > their > > > location at Conewago which the caretaker in 1963 had in his > > possession. > > > Arther Weaner could never get him to show this map to him. He could > > point > > > out the location of who was buried where, but that document has > > > never been > > > made public, we know from the John Dorland Cremer book that 30 > > > to 40 burials > > > were in the Dorland cemetery with head and footstones. > > > The major concern is that throughout many counties and states > because > > they > > > ancient Dutch burial grounds did not look like what people in the > last > > > century felt cemeteries should look like, well then they were just a > > field > > > of rocks. This is probably been the largest cause of their > > > demise, farmers > > > plowed them under, developers built houses on them, that kind of > > thing. > > > Does any one else have a early Dutch family cemetery or know of a > > Dutch > > > Church cemetery in which the early burials were marked with field > > stones? > > > Judy Cassidy > > > > > >------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >DU[2][4]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DU[3][5]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DU[4][6]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > References > > 1. 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Glee, If you have a moment to email them, I would love to have the documents. You're right: you can't attach them to list posts. But you can attach them to emails. God bless you for wanting to share. That is very precious information. Nancy nancyterhune@optonline.net On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Willora Glee wrote: > You cannot post attachments to this or any out list. I have the plot > maps in the computer now and also the list of the burials. > > > At 12:40 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: >> Could you take pictures of the 7 pages (plus map) and post the pics? >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Willora Glee <gleek@ptd.net> wrote: >> >>> I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. >>> I >>> was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and >>> South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I >>> could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to >>> the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for >>> over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn >>> Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists >>> but >>> not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one >>> of >>> the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a >>> stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to >>> be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to >>> handle >>> this? >>> Glee Van Osdol Krapf >>> >>> >>> At 11:12 AM 4/22/2013, you wrote: >>> >>>> Both the Dorland Cemetery on Sunset Road in Montgomery Twp. >>>> Somerset >>>> County, NJ and the Conewago Cemetery on Swift Run Road are >>>> comprised >>> of >>>> grave makers which are basically field stone rocks which, if >>>> lucky, >>> are >>>> marked with initials and a date. The date of the Dorland >>>> Cemetery is around >>>> 1735 with burials ending by 1800, while the Conewago Cemetery >>> probably was >>>> established ca. 1772 however burials continued into the 1900's >>>> with only two >>>> burials, one a gypsy boy buried ca. 1910-1912 and David Weaner >>>> burial >>> in >>>> 1964. More times than not, there is just a stone marker and >>>> those >>> can be >>>> just the tip of the stone, the stone may have sunk into the >>>> ground, >>> fallen >>>> on its side so only a odd shaped stone sticks up, that kind of >>>> thing. >>> Most >>>> of these are rough read colored stones at Conewago and field >>>> stones >>> which >>>> seem to be cut in a long narrow shape with an indent half way >>>> down the stone >>>> at the Dorland cemetery. >>>> Conewago RDCh. families later erected the more familiar >>>> gravestones >>> on a >>>> few family plots, but today there are many unmarked graves, the >>>> field stones >>>> long gone. There was a man, Gerry Byers, a german man who was >>> employed by >>>> the church in the 1700's who was the custodian of the cemetery, >>> whether or >>>> not he was responsible for the cutting of the field stones was >>>> never >>>> mentioned but these were not just superficial stones, they were >>>> long enough >>>> and mostly narrow, as were the Dorland stones to be sunk deeply >>>> into >>> the >>>> ground. >>>> The Dorland field stones were crushed by heavy farm equipment >>>> which had been >>>> parked there and/or pushed down under the ground by the weight >>>> of the >>>> equipment. While the Conewago Cemetery was enclosed by a stone >>>> wall, >>> the >>>> Dorland cemetery was never that fortunate. There is a limited >>>> list of >>>> burials for Conewago but in order to determine whether or >>>> not your ancestor >>>> was actually buried there, the baptismal, deacons records and >>>> wills need to >>>> be consulted. They are not going to actually state that so and >>>> so was >>>> buried there, however. Since the church was located next door >>>> to the >>>> cemetery, later closer to Route 30, and there was also a >>>> southern >>> cemetery >>>> for the use of the Low Dutch living in that area. If someone >>>> in this >>>> community died between 1772 and say 1804 when the church was >>>> closed >>> what >>>> remained of the congregation scattered to other churches. Some >>>> of >>> these >>>> families were buried in the church cemetery. Burials did, as >>> mentioned >>>> take place after 1804, as not all families migrated to Kentucky >>>> or >>> Ohio, >>>> however, they were few. Burials in the early years seemed to be >>>> not >>> in >>>> family plots but when the person died, so you have the members >>>> of the >>>> congregation mixed together. Initials and dates, if lucky, were >>>> chiseled or >>>> scratched into the stone but they were professionally done. >>>> That may >>> have >>>> been Mr. Byers job to do. He and his family also migrated down >>>> to >>> Kentucky >>>> in 1783 -1790. >>>> At one time apparently there was a list of burials and a map >>>> showing >>> their >>>> location at Conewago which the caretaker in 1963 had in his >>> possession. >>>> Arther Weaner could never get him to show this map to him. He >>>> could >>> point >>>> out the location of who was buried where, but that document has >>>> never been >>>> made public, we know from the John Dorland Cremer book that 30 >>>> to 40 burials >>>> were in the Dorland cemetery with head and footstones. >>>> The major concern is that throughout many counties and states >>>> because >>> they >>>> ancient Dutch burial grounds did not look like what people in >>>> the last >>>> century felt cemeteries should look like, well then they were >>>> just a >>> field >>>> of rocks. This is probably been the largest cause of their >>>> demise, farmers >>>> plowed them under, developers built houses on them, that kind of >>> thing. >>>> Does any one else have a early Dutch family cemetery or know of >>>> a >>> Dutch >>>> Church cemetery in which the early burials were marked with >>>> field >>> stones? >>>> Judy Cassidy >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This information was contained in a letter sent to me by Arthur Weaner in 1983 after I had asked him about the ministers copy. Unfortunately Mr. Osborn never showed or shared either the Dutch or English cemetery plan, the latter plan he is supposed to have taken to the cemetery between two pieces of glass to facilitate his work. As a guess in the late 1970's his house was robbed and my understanding is that in same he lost the treasured cemetery plot plans. FROM MEMORY, he inferred the loss. I suppose some what grieved that if he had shared with me his loss of the original they could be replaced from my Copy. Mr. Osborn died 7 Nov. 1783, age 67, buried in Biglerville Cem, although he wishes to be buried in the Low Dutch Swift Run Cemetery. I believe the current owner is Carol Joy Baker and she purchased it from the Osborne family. I will have to dig out the advertisement. SO both Mr. Osbourne and Arthur did have some kind of map which they apparently drew, but not the ministers copy which would have been in Dutch. Mr. Osbourne probably made his own map and copy after the robbery. Since many dates on the map Glee has are after 1800, this is not the original, but there were TWO drawings made of the cemetery PLUS the original plat plan. Judy On 04/23/13, marguerite puca<jerseymap@gmail.com> wrote: Could you take pictures of the 7 pages (plus map) and post the pics? On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Willora Glee <[1]gleek@ptd.net> wrote: > I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. I > was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and > South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I > could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to > the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for > over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn > Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists but > not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one of > the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a > stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to > be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to handle > this? > Glee Van Osdol Krapf > > > At 11:12 AM 4/22/2013, you wrote: > > > Both the Dorland Cemetery on Sunset Road in Montgomery Twp. Somerset > > County, NJ and the Conewago Cemetery on Swift Run Road are comprised > of > > grave makers which are basically field stone rocks which, if lucky, > are > > marked with initials and a date. The date of the Dorland > > Cemetery is around > > 1735 with burials ending by 1800, while the Conewago Cemetery > probably was > > established ca. 1772 however burials continued into the 1900's > > with only two > > burials, one a gypsy boy buried ca. 1910-1912 and David Weaner burial > in > > 1964. More times than not, there is just a stone marker and those > can be > > just the tip of the stone, the stone may have sunk into the ground, > fallen > > on its side so only a odd shaped stone sticks up, that kind of thing. > Most > > of these are rough read colored stones at Conewago and field stones > which > > seem to be cut in a long narrow shape with an indent half way > > down the stone > > at the Dorland cemetery. > > Conewago RDCh. families later erected the more familiar gravestones > on a > > few family plots, but today there are many unmarked graves, the > > field stones > > long gone. There was a man, Gerry Byers, a german man who was > employed by > > the church in the 1700's who was the custodian of the cemetery, > whether or > > not he was responsible for the cutting of the field stones was never > > mentioned but these were not just superficial stones, they were > > long enough > > and mostly narrow, as were the Dorland stones to be sunk deeply into > the > > ground. > > The Dorland field stones were crushed by heavy farm equipment > > which had been > > parked there and/or pushed down under the ground by the weight of the > > equipment. While the Conewago Cemetery was enclosed by a stone wall, > the > > Dorland cemetery was never that fortunate. There is a limited list of > > burials for Conewago but in order to determine whether or > > not your ancestor > > was actually buried there, the baptismal, deacons records and > > wills need to > > be consulted. They are not going to actually state that so and so was > > buried there, however. Since the church was located next door to the > > cemetery, later closer to Route 30, and there was also a southern > cemetery > > for the use of the Low Dutch living in that area. If someone in this > > community died between 1772 and say 1804 when the church was closed > what > > remained of the congregation scattered to other churches. Some of > these > > families were buried in the church cemetery. Burials did, as > mentioned > > take place after 1804, as not all families migrated to Kentucky or > Ohio, > > however, they were few. Burials in the early years seemed to be not > in > > family plots but when the person died, so you have the members of the > > congregation mixed together. Initials and dates, if lucky, were > > chiseled or > > scratched into the stone but they were professionally done. That may > have > > been Mr. Byers job to do. He and his family also migrated down to > Kentucky > > in 1783 -1790. > > At one time apparently there was a list of burials and a map showing > their > > location at Conewago which the caretaker in 1963 had in his > possession. > > Arther Weaner could never get him to show this map to him. He could > point > > out the location of who was buried where, but that document has > > never been > > made public, we know from the John Dorland Cremer book that 30 > > to 40 burials > > were in the Dorland cemetery with head and footstones. > > The major concern is that throughout many counties and states because > they > > ancient Dutch burial grounds did not look like what people in the last > > century felt cemeteries should look like, well then they were just a > field > > of rocks. This is probably been the largest cause of their > > demise, farmers > > plowed them under, developers built houses on them, that kind of > thing. > > Does any one else have a early Dutch family cemetery or know of a > Dutch > > Church cemetery in which the early burials were marked with field > stones? > > Judy Cassidy > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >DU[2]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DU[3]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[4]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:gleek@ptd.net 2. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com 4. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com

Oops! Make that Delaware Valley rafter Joseph Skinner's son, DANIEL Skinner.

Hello, Ms Jane. This is something that I hadn't considered before, but it's an excellent question. I descend from Joseph Skinner, father of Delaware River rafting. Using a branding iron would be an easy way to mark logs and barrels. Perhaps someone at the Miniskink Valley Historical Society or the National Park Service: Upper Delaware might know. I've been meaning to ask the NPS a question. I'll ask about this, too. ________________________________ > > From: Jane NorthoftheBlueMts <northofthebluemts@gmail.com> > > . . .Were barrels, say of flour or dried apples, or rafted logs branded, too?. . . > =======================================================

You cannot post attachments to this or any out list. I have the plot maps in the computer now and also the list of the burials. At 12:40 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: >Could you take pictures of the 7 pages (plus map) and post the pics? > > >On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Willora Glee <gleek@ptd.net> wrote: > > > I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. I > > was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and > > South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I > > could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to > > the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for > > over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn > > Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists but > > not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one of > > the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a > > stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to > > be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to handle > > this? > > Glee Van Osdol Krapf > > > > > > At 11:12 AM 4/22/2013, you wrote: > > > > > Both the Dorland Cemetery on Sunset Road in Montgomery Twp. Somerset > > > County, NJ and the Conewago Cemetery on Swift Run Road are comprised > > of > > > grave makers which are basically field stone rocks which, if lucky, > > are > > > marked with initials and a date. The date of the Dorland > > > Cemetery is around > > > 1735 with burials ending by 1800, while the Conewago Cemetery > > probably was > > > established ca. 1772 however burials continued into the 1900's > > > with only two > > > burials, one a gypsy boy buried ca. 1910-1912 and David Weaner burial > > in > > > 1964. More times than not, there is just a stone marker and those > > can be > > > just the tip of the stone, the stone may have sunk into the ground, > > fallen > > > on its side so only a odd shaped stone sticks up, that kind of thing. > > Most > > > of these are rough read colored stones at Conewago and field stones > > which > > > seem to be cut in a long narrow shape with an indent half way > > > down the stone > > > at the Dorland cemetery. > > > Conewago RDCh. families later erected the more familiar gravestones > > on a > > > few family plots, but today there are many unmarked graves, the > > > field stones > > > long gone. There was a man, Gerry Byers, a german man who was > > employed by > > > the church in the 1700's who was the custodian of the cemetery, > > whether or > > > not he was responsible for the cutting of the field stones was never > > > mentioned but these were not just superficial stones, they were > > > long enough > > > and mostly narrow, as were the Dorland stones to be sunk deeply into > > the > > > ground. > > > The Dorland field stones were crushed by heavy farm equipment > > > which had been > > > parked there and/or pushed down under the ground by the weight of the > > > equipment. While the Conewago Cemetery was enclosed by a stone wall, > > the > > > Dorland cemetery was never that fortunate. There is a limited list of > > > burials for Conewago but in order to determine whether or > > > not your ancestor > > > was actually buried there, the baptismal, deacons records and > > > wills need to > > > be consulted. They are not going to actually state that so and so was > > > buried there, however. Since the church was located next door to the > > > cemetery, later closer to Route 30, and there was also a southern > > cemetery > > > for the use of the Low Dutch living in that area. If someone in this > > > community died between 1772 and say 1804 when the church was closed > > what > > > remained of the congregation scattered to other churches. Some of > > these > > > families were buried in the church cemetery. Burials did, as > > mentioned > > > take place after 1804, as not all families migrated to Kentucky or > > Ohio, > > > however, they were few. Burials in the early years seemed to be not > > in > > > family plots but when the person died, so you have the members of the > > > congregation mixed together. Initials and dates, if lucky, were > > > chiseled or > > > scratched into the stone but they were professionally done. That may > > have > > > been Mr. Byers job to do. He and his family also migrated down to > > Kentucky > > > in 1783 -1790. > > > At one time apparently there was a list of burials and a map showing > > their > > > location at Conewago which the caretaker in 1963 had in his > > possession. > > > Arther Weaner could never get him to show this map to him. He could > > point > > > out the location of who was buried where, but that document has > > > never been > > > made public, we know from the John Dorland Cremer book that 30 > > > to 40 burials > > > were in the Dorland cemetery with head and footstones. > > > The major concern is that throughout many counties and states because > > they > > > ancient Dutch burial grounds did not look like what people in the last > > > century felt cemeteries should look like, well then they were just a > > field > > > of rocks. This is probably been the largest cause of their > > > demise, farmers > > > plowed them under, developers built houses on them, that kind of > > thing. > > > Does any one else have a early Dutch family cemetery or know of a > > Dutch > > > Church cemetery in which the early burials were marked with field > > stones? > > > Judy Cassidy > > > > > >------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glee kindly sent me the copies of her pages. Most of the burials were those of the Low Dutch who remained in the area and or non-Dutch who attended the church after 1800. But the marked burials are either memorial stones placed there by descendants and or stones marking graves after 1800. Few of the early fieldstones markers are left, but enough are that we do have a few with initials which at some point I am going to try and identify as well as make a list of others who were buried there prior to 1795 or so. The drawings of the graves are not the original plot plan kept by the ministers, but at a later date someone took the time to at least draw and mark the graves as they appear at that date. The drawings are undated and the artist is unknown, however it may have been Arthur Weaner. I have many photo's, but of course they only give a general sense of the over all picture. I know that there was a problem with vandalism , especially in the Southern cemetery which damaged stones so that not all graves have markers due to this problem. The Adams County Historical Society has never been interested in this Church, their interest is Gettysburg. Dr. Gladfelter is now deceased also, so our sources and or access to the Conewago Records at the Society are non accessible as they are closed for renovations. The PA State Library is extremely limited and while there is a published list in the Adams County section, it is not as extensive as the one Glee has. The PA State Library is very limited in their genealogical section as they rely on donations vs purchasing new materials and that doesn't apparently occur often these past few years. Judy Judy On 04/23/13, marguerite puca<jerseymap@gmail.com> wrote: Could you take pictures of the 7 pages (plus map) and post the pics? On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Willora Glee <[1]gleek@ptd.net> wrote: > I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. I > was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and > South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I > could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to > the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for > over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn > Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists but > not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one of > the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a > stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to > be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to handle > this? > Glee Van Osdol Krapf > > > At 11:12 AM 4/22/2013, you wrote: > > > Both the Dorland Cemetery on Sunset Road in Montgomery Twp. Somerset > > County, NJ and the Conewago Cemetery on Swift Run Road are comprised > of > > grave makers which are basically field stone rocks which, if lucky, > are > > marked with initials and a date. The date of the Dorland > > Cemetery is around > > 1735 with burials ending by 1800, while the Conewago Cemetery > probably was > > established ca. 1772 however burials continued into the 1900's > > with only two > > burials, one a gypsy boy buried ca. 1910-1912 and David Weaner burial > in > > 1964. More times than not, there is just a stone marker and those > can be > > just the tip of the stone, the stone may have sunk into the ground, > fallen > > on its side so only a odd shaped stone sticks up, that kind of thing. > Most > > of these are rough read colored stones at Conewago and field stones > which > > seem to be cut in a long narrow shape with an indent half way > > down the stone > > at the Dorland cemetery. > > Conewago RDCh. families later erected the more familiar gravestones > on a > > few family plots, but today there are many unmarked graves, the > > field stones > > long gone. There was a man, Gerry Byers, a german man who was > employed by > > the church in the 1700's who was the custodian of the cemetery, > whether or > > not he was responsible for the cutting of the field stones was never > > mentioned but these were not just superficial stones, they were > > long enough > > and mostly narrow, as were the Dorland stones to be sunk deeply into > the > > ground. > > The Dorland field stones were crushed by heavy farm equipment > > which had been > > parked there and/or pushed down under the ground by the weight of the > > equipment. While the Conewago Cemetery was enclosed by a stone wall, > the > > Dorland cemetery was never that fortunate. There is a limited list of > > burials for Conewago but in order to determine whether or > > not your ancestor > > was actually buried there, the baptismal, deacons records and > > wills need to > > be consulted. They are not going to actually state that so and so was > > buried there, however. Since the church was located next door to the > > cemetery, later closer to Route 30, and there was also a southern > cemetery > > for the use of the Low Dutch living in that area. If someone in this > > community died between 1772 and say 1804 when the church was closed > what > > remained of the congregation scattered to other churches. Some of > these > > families were buried in the church cemetery. Burials did, as > mentioned > > take place after 1804, as not all families migrated to Kentucky or > Ohio, > > however, they were few. Burials in the early years seemed to be not > in > > family plots but when the person died, so you have the members of the > > congregation mixed together. Initials and dates, if lucky, were > > chiseled or > > scratched into the stone but they were professionally done. That may > have > > been Mr. Byers job to do. He and his family also migrated down to > Kentucky > > in 1783 -1790. > > At one time apparently there was a list of burials and a map showing > their > > location at Conewago which the caretaker in 1963 had in his > possession. > > Arther Weaner could never get him to show this map to him. He could > point > > out the location of who was buried where, but that document has > > never been > > made public, we know from the John Dorland Cremer book that 30 > > to 40 burials > > were in the Dorland cemetery with head and footstones. > > The major concern is that throughout many counties and states because > they > > ancient Dutch burial grounds did not look like what people in the last > > century felt cemeteries should look like, well then they were just a > field > > of rocks. This is probably been the largest cause of their > > demise, farmers > > plowed them under, developers built houses on them, that kind of > thing. > > Does any one else have a early Dutch family cemetery or know of a > Dutch > > Church cemetery in which the early burials were marked with field > stones? > > Judy Cassidy > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >DU[2]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DU[3]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[4]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:gleek@ptd.net 2. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com 4. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com

Could you take pictures of the 7 pages (plus map) and post the pics? On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Willora Glee <gleek@ptd.net> wrote: > I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. I > was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and > South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I > could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to > the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for > over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn > Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists but > not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one of > the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a > stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to > be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to handle > this? > Glee Van Osdol Krapf > > > At 11:12 AM 4/22/2013, you wrote: > > > Both the Dorland Cemetery on Sunset Road in Montgomery Twp. Somerset > > County, NJ and the Conewago Cemetery on Swift Run Road are comprised > of > > grave makers which are basically field stone rocks which, if lucky, > are > > marked with initials and a date. The date of the Dorland > > Cemetery is around > > 1735 with burials ending by 1800, while the Conewago Cemetery > probably was > > established ca. 1772 however burials continued into the 1900's > > with only two > > burials, one a gypsy boy buried ca. 1910-1912 and David Weaner burial > in > > 1964. More times than not, there is just a stone marker and those > can be > > just the tip of the stone, the stone may have sunk into the ground, > fallen > > on its side so only a odd shaped stone sticks up, that kind of thing. > Most > > of these are rough read colored stones at Conewago and field stones > which > > seem to be cut in a long narrow shape with an indent half way > > down the stone > > at the Dorland cemetery. > > Conewago RDCh. families later erected the more familiar gravestones > on a > > few family plots, but today there are many unmarked graves, the > > field stones > > long gone. There was a man, Gerry Byers, a german man who was > employed by > > the church in the 1700's who was the custodian of the cemetery, > whether or > > not he was responsible for the cutting of the field stones was never > > mentioned but these were not just superficial stones, they were > > long enough > > and mostly narrow, as were the Dorland stones to be sunk deeply into > the > > ground. > > The Dorland field stones were crushed by heavy farm equipment > > which had been > > parked there and/or pushed down under the ground by the weight of the > > equipment. While the Conewago Cemetery was enclosed by a stone wall, > the > > Dorland cemetery was never that fortunate. There is a limited list of > > burials for Conewago but in order to determine whether or > > not your ancestor > > was actually buried there, the baptismal, deacons records and > > wills need to > > be consulted. They are not going to actually state that so and so was > > buried there, however. Since the church was located next door to the > > cemetery, later closer to Route 30, and there was also a southern > cemetery > > for the use of the Low Dutch living in that area. If someone in this > > community died between 1772 and say 1804 when the church was closed > what > > remained of the congregation scattered to other churches. Some of > these > > families were buried in the church cemetery. Burials did, as > mentioned > > take place after 1804, as not all families migrated to Kentucky or > Ohio, > > however, they were few. Burials in the early years seemed to be not > in > > family plots but when the person died, so you have the members of the > > congregation mixed together. Initials and dates, if lucky, were > > chiseled or > > scratched into the stone but they were professionally done. That may > have > > been Mr. Byers job to do. He and his family also migrated down to > Kentucky > > in 1783 -1790. > > At one time apparently there was a list of burials and a map showing > their > > location at Conewago which the caretaker in 1963 had in his > possession. > > Arther Weaner could never get him to show this map to him. He could > point > > out the location of who was buried where, but that document has > > never been > > made public, we know from the John Dorland Cremer book that 30 > > to 40 burials > > were in the Dorland cemetery with head and footstones. > > The major concern is that throughout many counties and states because > they > > ancient Dutch burial grounds did not look like what people in the last > > century felt cemeteries should look like, well then they were just a > field > > of rocks. This is probably been the largest cause of their > > demise, farmers > > plowed them under, developers built houses on them, that kind of > thing. > > Does any one else have a early Dutch family cemetery or know of a > Dutch > > Church cemetery in which the early burials were marked with field > stones? > > Judy Cassidy > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. I was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists but not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one of the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to handle this? Glee Van Osdol Krapf At 11:12 AM 4/22/2013, you wrote: > Both the Dorland Cemetery on Sunset Road in Montgomery Twp. Somerset > County, NJ and the Conewago Cemetery on Swift Run Road are comprised of > grave makers which are basically field stone rocks which, if lucky, are > marked with initials and a date. The date of the Dorland > Cemetery is around > 1735 with burials ending by 1800, while the Conewago Cemetery probably was > established ca. 1772 however burials continued into the 1900's > with only two > burials, one a gypsy boy buried ca. 1910-1912 and David Weaner burial in > 1964. More times than not, there is just a stone marker and those can be > just the tip of the stone, the stone may have sunk into the ground, fallen > on its side so only a odd shaped stone sticks up, that kind of thing. Most > of these are rough read colored stones at Conewago and field stones which > seem to be cut in a long narrow shape with an indent half way > down the stone > at the Dorland cemetery. > Conewago RDCh. families later erected the more familiar gravestones on a > few family plots, but today there are many unmarked graves, the > field stones > long gone. There was a man, Gerry Byers, a german man who was employed by > the church in the 1700's who was the custodian of the cemetery, whether or > not he was responsible for the cutting of the field stones was never > mentioned but these were not just superficial stones, they were > long enough > and mostly narrow, as were the Dorland stones to be sunk deeply into the > ground. > The Dorland field stones were crushed by heavy farm equipment > which had been > parked there and/or pushed down under the ground by the weight of the > equipment. While the Conewago Cemetery was enclosed by a stone wall, the > Dorland cemetery was never that fortunate. There is a limited list of > burials for Conewago but in order to determine whether or > not your ancestor > was actually buried there, the baptismal, deacons records and > wills need to > be consulted. They are not going to actually state that so and so was > buried there, however. Since the church was located next door to the > cemetery, later closer to Route 30, and there was also a southern cemetery > for the use of the Low Dutch living in that area. If someone in this > community died between 1772 and say 1804 when the church was closed what > remained of the congregation scattered to other churches. Some of these > families were buried in the church cemetery. Burials did, as mentioned > take place after 1804, as not all families migrated to Kentucky or Ohio, > however, they were few. Burials in the early years seemed to be not in > family plots but when the person died, so you have the members of the > congregation mixed together. Initials and dates, if lucky, were > chiseled or > scratched into the stone but they were professionally done. That may have > been Mr. Byers job to do. He and his family also migrated down to Kentucky > in 1783 -1790. > At one time apparently there was a list of burials and a map showing their > location at Conewago which the caretaker in 1963 had in his possession. > Arther Weaner could never get him to show this map to him. He could point > out the location of who was buried where, but that document has > never been > made public, we know from the John Dorland Cremer book that 30 > to 40 burials > were in the Dorland cemetery with head and footstones. > The major concern is that throughout many counties and states because they > ancient Dutch burial grounds did not look like what people in the last > century felt cemeteries should look like, well then they were just a field > of rocks. This is probably been the largest cause of their > demise, farmers > plowed them under, developers built houses on them, that kind of thing. > Does any one else have a early Dutch family cemetery or know of a Dutch > Church cemetery in which the early burials were marked with field stones? > Judy Cassidy > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The draft of the Low Dutch Cemetery (northern) I am speaking of was done back in the 1700's, never published and last in the possession of Russell Osborn, now deceased. Arthur Weaner believed that it was the original plot plan of the cemetery, made and kept by the early ministers. In the 1900's several groups such as the DAR etc. did transcibe those stones that they could read, however this is only a fraction of those buried there. It is really important to remember that many people who were buried have had their stones destroyed or the inscription broken off or thestones no longer exist, that kind of thing, so if your ancestor does not appear on the list which was created in the 1960's or so, that doesn't mean that they are not buried there. It is important to also remember that there was another Conewago Church, The Conewago Chapel or Church of the Sacred Heart which is a Catholic church and the two are often confused. I would be interested to see what you have and you can send it to me if you wish to: jacassidy22@verizon.net Thanks Judy On 04/23/13, Willora Glee<[1]gleek@ptd.net> wrote: I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. I was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists but not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one of the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to handle this? Glee Van Osdol Krapf At 11:12 AM 4/22/2013, you wrote: > Both the Dorland Cemetery on Sunset Road in Montgomery Twp. Somerset > County, NJ and the Conewago Cemetery on Swift Run Road are comprised of > grave makers which are basically field stone rocks which, if lucky, are > marked with initials and a date. The date of the Dorland > Cemetery is around > 1735 with burials ending by 1800, while the Conewago Cemetery probably was > established ca. 1772 however burials continued into the 1900's > with only two > burials, one a gypsy boy buried ca. 1910-1912 and David Weaner burial in > 1964. More times than not, there is just a stone marker and those can be > just the tip of the stone, the stone may have sunk into the ground, fallen > on its side so only a odd shaped stone sticks up, that kind of thing. Most > of these are rough read colored stones at Conewago and field stones which > seem to be cut in a long narrow shape with an indent half way > down the stone > at the Dorland cemetery. > Conewago RDCh. families later erected the more familiar gravestones on a > few family plots, but today there are many unmarked graves, the > field stones > long gone. There was a man, Gerry Byers, a german man who was employed by > the church in the 1700's who was the custodian of the cemetery, whether or > not he was responsible for the cutting of the field stones was never > mentioned but these were not just superficial stones, they were > long enough > and mostly narrow, as were the Dorland stones to be sunk deeply into the > ground. > The Dorland field stones were crushed by heavy farm equipment > which had been > parked there and/or pushed down under the ground by the weight of the > equipment. While the Conewago Cemetery was enclosed by a stone wall, the > Dorland cemetery was never that fortunate. There is a limited list of > burials for Conewago but in order to determine whether or > not your ancestor > was actually buried there, the baptismal, deacons records and > wills need to > be consulted. They are not going to actually state that so and so was > buried there, however. Since the church was located next door to the > cemetery, later closer to Route 30, and there was also a southern cemetery > for the use of the Low Dutch living in that area. If someone in this > community died between 1772 and say 1804 when the church was closed what > remained of the congregation scattered to other churches. Some of these > families were buried in the church cemetery. Burials did, as mentioned > take place after 1804, as not all families migrated to Kentucky or Ohio, > however, they were few. Burials in the early years seemed to be not in > family plots but when the person died, so you have the members of the > congregation mixed together. Initials and dates, if lucky, were > chiseled or > scratched into the stone but they were professionally done. That may have > been Mr. Byers job to do. He and his family also migrated down to Kentucky > in 1783 -1790. > At one time apparently there was a list of burials and a map showing their > location at Conewago which the caretaker in 1963 had in his possession. > Arther Weaner could never get him to show this map to him. He could point > out the location of who was buried where, but that document has > never been > made public, we know from the John Dorland Cremer book that 30 > to 40 burials > were in the Dorland cemetery with head and footstones. > The major concern is that throughout many counties and states because they > ancient Dutch burial grounds did not look like what people in the last > century felt cemeteries should look like, well then they were just a field > of rocks. This is probably been the largest cause of their > demise, farmers > plowed them under, developers built houses on them, that kind of thing. > Does any one else have a early Dutch family cemetery or know of a Dutch > Church cemetery in which the early burials were marked with field stones? > Judy Cassidy > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DU[2]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[3]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:gleek@ptd.net 2. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com

Sarah Dorland was the daughter of Gerrit Dorland and Jannetje Probasco and this family was a completely separate and different branch of the Dorland family than Lambert Dorland and his son Gerret Lamberts. The descend from The Family of Gerrit (possibly Janzsen) Dorland, the father of Jan Gerrits Dorland. Barbara Barth wrote The Dorland Engima Solved to resolved these confused family lines. The father of Gerrit Dorland b. about 1698, was Gerret Dorland and his wife Jannetje Schenck, both who had originally been assigned by Cremer to the line of the Lambert Dorland, but evidence proved this to be in error. The errors that Cremer made, in part due to the time period and information available, has been corrected and cited by Barbara Barth. You will find this information in the Dorland Enigma Solved on pp. 3-21 and then the correct son of Lambert Janse Dorland, Gerret Lamberts Dorland on pages 165-. Jannetje Probasco b. abt. 1706, named in the will of her father John Probasco, died before 1773, the date of her husband Gerret's will. Her mother Arientie Rieniers Arendsz Van Hengelen was the sister of Auke Reiniers, the father in law of Gerrits brother John. Citations: "Records of the first Reformed Church of Jamaica," NYGBR 106:143; WNYHS 4:223-34, abstracting NY Co. wills, 16:440; WNYHS 9:96-97, abstracting NY Wills 32:205-07; also 11:203, Unrecorded Wills. If you wish to obtain Barbara's book, I believe Diane Barth Swartz still has copies, so contact me privately and I can give you that information. Judy Cassidy On 04/23/13, David Walker<dwalker10@hotmail.com> wrote: According to John Dorland Cremerâs âThe Dorland Family in America,â Sara (or Sarah) Dorlandt, baptized 3 Jun 1732 in Jamaica, NY who married Rem Lott in 1748, was the daughter of Gerret Dorlandt of Jamaica (d. 1776) and his wife Jane. Cremer states that Gerret was the son of John (or Jan) Dorlandt, baptized 20 Mar 1681 in Brooklyn and his wife Marretje. Cremer identifies this John Dorlandt as the son of Jan Gerretse Dorlandt, the immigrant and his second wife, Anna Remsen. However, he states in a footnote (p. 170) that there were several Jan Dorlandts and that: âThe facts here set forth and the interpretations given to them are therefore presented with some misgivings.â I am wondering if the recently published âThe Dorland Enigma Solvedâ sheds any additional light on this Dorlandt line. Janâs wife Marretje, I suppose, is not to be confused with another Marrytje (UNKNOWN) who was married to Gerret Lamberts Dorlandt. Also is there any information on the identity of Gerretâs wife, Jane? Any insights would be greatly appreciated. David Walker ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[1]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com

thank you very much for the information. Fortunately I gather because they were in a church cemetery, they all seem to be in good condition and readable. Protecting family cemeteries can be extremely difficult when the cemetery is on land sold out of the family and the family has not rights and the owner is not interested in maintenance. I have seen the "cattlebrand" type marks on deeds also when the individual could not write, so this was their mark, the intertwined initials. Judy On 04/23/13, Jane NorthoftheBlueMts<northofthebluemts@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Judy - There are a number of 18th & early 19th c field stone markers, including those of Dutch families and in Dutch churchyards, in the Minisink Valley (Tri-state NJ NY & PA) which I have compiled into a list, by no means comprehensive & with photos from numerous contributors, here: [1]http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=vcsr&GSvcid=272532 Some are merely initials, some with Dutch script giving more information. Two inscriptions on the Westbrook Cemetery stones in Sandyston Township NJ remind me of colonial cattle marks where the surname "Westbrook" quite possibly has been cut as WB with the two letters joined at a middle line: [2]http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=77573897 & [3]http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=77572066 I would be most interesting in hearing from anyone with access to documents relating to cattle mark or brand registration in colonial times, Dutch or otherwise. Recently a 1766 PA land warrant application for Andrew (Andries) Dingman came to light with his mark "AD" also having the two letters joined at the middle line. Were barrels, say of flour or dried apples, or rafted logs branded, too? [4]http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/BookView.aspx?dbid=2350&iid=33021_26320 8-01292&sid=&gskw=Andw+Dingman Best, Jane [5]http://minisinkvalleygenealogy.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[6]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=vcsr&GSvcid=272532 2. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=77573897 3. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=77572066 4. http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/BookView.aspx?dbid=2350&iid=33021_263208-01292&sid=&gskw=Andw+Dingman 5. http://minisinkvalleygenealogy.blogspot.com/ 6. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com

Hi Judy - There are a number of 18th & early 19th c field stone markers, including those of Dutch families and in Dutch churchyards, in the Minisink Valley (Tri-state NJ NY & PA) which I have compiled into a list, by no means comprehensive & with photos from numerous contributors, here: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=vcsr&GSvcid=272532 Some are merely initials, some with Dutch script giving more information. Two inscriptions on the Westbrook Cemetery stones in Sandyston Township NJ remind me of colonial cattle marks where the surname "Westbrook" quite possibly has been cut as WB with the two letters joined at a middle line: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=77573897 & http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=77572066 I would be most interesting in hearing from anyone with access to documents relating to cattle mark or brand registration in colonial times, Dutch or otherwise. Recently a 1766 PA land warrant application for Andrew (Andries) Dingman came to light with his mark "AD" also having the two letters joined at the middle line. Were barrels, say of flour or dried apples, or rafted logs branded, too? http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/BookView.aspx?dbid=2350&iid=33021_263208-01292&sid=&gskw=Andw+Dingman Best, Jane http://minisinkvalleygenealogy.blogspot.com/

According to John Dorland Cremer’s “The Dorland Family in America,” Sara (or Sarah) Dorlandt, baptized 3 Jun 1732 in Jamaica, NY who married Rem Lott in 1748, was the daughter of Gerret Dorlandt of Jamaica (d. 1776) and his wife Jane. Cremer states that Gerret was the son of John (or Jan) Dorlandt, baptized 20 Mar 1681 in Brooklyn and his wife Marretje. Cremer identifies this John Dorlandt as the son of Jan Gerretse Dorlandt, the immigrant and his second wife, Anna Remsen. However, he states in a footnote (p. 170) that there were several Jan Dorlandts and that: “The facts here set forth and the interpretations given to them are therefore presented with some misgivings.” I am wondering if the recently published “The Dorland Enigma Solved” sheds any additional light on this Dorlandt line. Jan’s wife Marretje, I suppose, is not to be confused with another Marrytje (UNKNOWN) who was married to Gerret Lamberts Dorlandt. Also is there any information on the identity of Gerret’s wife, Jane? Any insights would be greatly appreciated. David Walker

Thank you so much for providing the town, county and state where these people lived or ended their lives. By far, not all colonial Dutch colonists lived in what became the state of NY. Some were never in NY, but in the early colonial period were New Nederland settlers nonetheless. They lived in such places that became New Jersey, Delaware and Pennsylvania. Some Dutch colonists emigrated in the mid-1600's (or soomer) to the English colonies (such as Virginia and Maryland), and left descendants in those places. So it is always greatly appreciated whenever someone remembers to give the data that provides the specific location of their own subjects, even if it is as late as 1774. Thanks again & best wishes, Liz J On 22 April 2013 18:28, juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> wrote: > There were a number of field stones used at theBruynswick Rural Cemetery, > that started life as the chuchyard of the Reformed Dutch Church of > Shawangunk, Town of Shawangunk, Ulster County, NY. > > Example (though 1774 isn't as early as you asked for): > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSsr=1041&GScid=64062&GRid=90429227& >

There were a number of field stones used at theBruynswick Rural Cemetery, that started life as the chuchyard of the Reformed Dutch Church of Shawangunk, Town of Shawangunk, Ulster County, NY. Example (though 1774 isn't as early as you asked for): http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSsr=1041&GScid=64062&GRid=90429227& ________________________________ > > From: "jacassidy22@verizon.net" <jacassidy22@verizon.net> > > Does any one else have a early Dutch family cemetery or know of a Dutch Church cemetery in which the early > burials were marked with field stones? > =======================================================

Both the Dorland Cemetery on Sunset Road in Montgomery Twp. Somerset County, NJ and the Conewago Cemetery on Swift Run Road are comprised of grave makers which are basically field stone rocks which, if lucky, are marked with initials and a date. The date of the Dorland Cemetery is around 1735 with burials ending by 1800, while the Conewago Cemetery probably was established ca. 1772 however burials continued into the 1900's with only two burials, one a gypsy boy buried ca. 1910-1912 and David Weaner burial in 1964. More times than not, there is just a stone marker and those can be just the tip of the stone, the stone may have sunk into the ground, fallen on its side so only a odd shaped stone sticks up, that kind of thing. Most of these are rough read colored stones at Conewago and field stones which seem to be cut in a long narrow shape with an indent half way down the stone at the Dorland cemetery. Conewago RDCh. families later erected the more familiar gravestones on a few family plots, but today there are many unmarked graves, the field stones long gone. There was a man, Gerry Byers, a german man who was employed by the church in the 1700's who was the custodian of the cemetery, whether or not he was responsible for the cutting of the field stones was never mentioned but these were not just superficial stones, they were long enough and mostly narrow, as were the Dorland stones to be sunk deeply into the ground. The Dorland field stones were crushed by heavy farm equipment which had been parked there and/or pushed down under the ground by the weight of the equipment. While the Conewago Cemetery was enclosed by a stone wall, the Dorland cemetery was never that fortunate. There is a limited list of burials for Conewago but in order to determine whether or not your ancestor was actually buried there, the baptismal, deacons records and wills need to be consulted. They are not going to actually state that so and so was buried there, however. Since the church was located next door to the cemetery, later closer to Route 30, and there was also a southern cemetery for the use of the Low Dutch living in that area. If someone in this community died between 1772 and say 1804 when the church was closed what remained of the congregation scattered to other churches. Some of these families were buried in the church cemetery. Burials did, as mentioned take place after 1804, as not all families migrated to Kentucky or Ohio, however, they were few. Burials in the early years seemed to be not in family plots but when the person died, so you have the members of the congregation mixed together. Initials and dates, if lucky, were chiseled or scratched into the stone but they were professionally done. That may have been Mr. Byers job to do. He and his family also migrated down to Kentucky in 1783 -1790. At one time apparently there was a list of burials and a map showing their location at Conewago which the caretaker in 1963 had in his possession. Arther Weaner could never get him to show this map to him. He could point out the location of who was buried where, but that document has never been made public, we know from the John Dorland Cremer book that 30 to 40 burials were in the Dorland cemetery with head and footstones. The major concern is that throughout many counties and states because they ancient Dutch burial grounds did not look like what people in the last century felt cemeteries should look like, well then they were just a field of rocks. This is probably been the largest cause of their demise, farmers plowed them under, developers built houses on them, that kind of thing. Does any one else have a early Dutch family cemetery or know of a Dutch Church cemetery in which the early burials were marked with field stones? Judy Cassidy

Thank you SO MUCH, Pam Sears, for posting this info. Cousin Carolyn in Oklahoma Have you read my book, Who's Your Daddy? U No U want to! www.CarolynBLeonard.com order from Amazon, now $4.95 for Kindle: http://amzn.to/orderdaddy From Pam Sears on Dutch-Colonies mail list: Russell L. Gasero is going to speak at the NYPL (New York Public Library) on April 25th. He is the archivist for the Reformed Church in America archives, located in the New Brunswick Theological Seminary. https://www.rca.org/page.aspx?pid=1855 - *The Historical Directory of the Reformed Church in America, 1628-2000*, edited by Russell L. Gasero, lists all ministers who have served the RCA and the churches and years they served. It also lists all organized congregations by location with a list of the ministers who served each congregation. - A list of congregations<http://images.rca.org/docs/archives/chronocongregations.pdf>(425k), organized by year from 1628 to 1800, is available for download. - *The Dutch Reformed Church in the American Colonies*, by Dr. Gerald De Jong, is a valuable guide to the colonial period of the Reformed Church. (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1978) - The Guide to Local Church Records in the Archives of the Reformed Church in America <http://images.rca.org/docs/archives/churchrecords.pdf>(80k) lists all the congregational records in the RCA Archives. - Contact the RCA archivist, Russell L. Gasero, via email rgasero@rca.orgor by phone at (732)246-1779.