According to Eksa Banta's book Banta Pioneers on page 98 Maria Stryker Banta was killed by a falling tree in March of 1778. Her husband died in 1777 and he is buried in the Low Dutch cemetery near Hunterstown, PA. he probably died of smallpox. I thought that the northern cemetery was the oldest of the two so guessed that they were buried there. If they are listed as being buried in the southern is fine. I do not think that anyone really knows any more which cemetery they are buried in north or south. At 01:29 PM 4/24/2013, you wrote: > Dear Carolyn; > According to Arthur Weaner, "The list of gravestones in the > Northern/Osborns > Low Dutch Cemetery, Straban Twp., list no stones for this > surname. However, > one of the wives of a Banta who resided at 'Loss and Gain" the Banta home, > was killed by a falling tree in a storm and buried in this cemetery, the > location of which the late Samuel Russell Osborn ascertained > from his map of > the cemetery. > Since the Baptism and the Deacons Records were written in Dutch, I would > expect that any inscriptions on gravestones installed prior to say 1790 > would be also. Since many of the current stones are memorial > stones erected > in the 1800's, it is possible that the Banta family removed the original > stones with the intention of erecting a memorial stone, but > never completed > the plan. > Judy > > > On 04/24/13, Carolyn Leonard<carolynleonard@me.com> wrote: > > Hi Willora, > Henry and Maria Banta are listed in the southern cemetery. > Do you have any thing that we could use as proof that Maria and > Henry Banta > are buried at the northern cemetery? If so, I can ask Findagrave > FAG to move > them to that list, but I have to have something that says definitely WHERE > they were buried, Northern or Southern, or maybe at the Low Dutch Reform > church of Conewago (that would be northern) or maybe names Brush Run road > (also northern). > Here is a hot link to the SOUTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes called > Youngs: [1]http://goo.gl/cLNo0 > I would love to move them to the Northern -- after all they lived there in > that cabin across the road. Wasn't their land named "Mount Misery" or was > that a different Banta? The southern cemetery was a few miles away, which > would not have been logical in that day; Henry died 1777 and > Maria in 1778. > Shirley Wood is the volunteer responsible for posting and updating their > memorials. I think she just posted them in 2011. > Blessings & best wishes, > carolyn > Findagrave volunteer (#47319116) > On Apr 24, 2013, at 12:06 AM, Willora Glee Krapf on > du[2]tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >>>> I could post the burial lists > >> but > >>>> not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one > >> of > >>>> the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a > >>>> stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to > >>>> be buried there too. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DU[3]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >References > > 1. http://goo.gl/cLNo0 > 2. mailto:tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com > 3. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Northern Cemetery is the original cemetery created when the Church was built and the community was established, the Southern was later in origin. Judy On 04/24/13, Willora Glee<gleek@ptd.net> wrote: According to Eksa Banta's book Banta Pioneers on page 98 Maria Stryker Banta was killed by a falling tree in March of 1778. Her husband died in 1777 and he is buried in the Low Dutch cemetery near Hunterstown, PA. he probably died of smallpox. I thought that the northern cemetery was the oldest of the two so guessed that they were buried there. If they are listed as being buried in the southern is fine. I do not think that anyone really knows any more which cemetery they are buried in north or south. At 01:29 PM 4/24/2013, you wrote: > Dear Carolyn; > According to Arthur Weaner, "The list of gravestones in the > Northern/Osborns > Low Dutch Cemetery, Straban Twp., list no stones for this > surname. However, > one of the wives of a Banta who resided at 'Loss and Gain" the Banta home, > was killed by a falling tree in a storm and buried in this cemetery, the > location of which the late Samuel Russell Osborn ascertained > from his map of > the cemetery. > Since the Baptism and the Deacons Records were written in Dutch, I would > expect that any inscriptions on gravestones installed prior to say 1790 > would be also. Since many of the current stones are memorial > stones erected > in the 1800's, it is possible that the Banta family removed the original > stones with the intention of erecting a memorial stone, but > never completed > the plan. > Judy > > > On 04/24/13, Carolyn Leonard<[1]carolynleonard@me.com> wrote: > > Hi Willora, > Henry and Maria Banta are listed in the southern cemetery. > Do you have any thing that we could use as proof that Maria and > Henry Banta > are buried at the northern cemetery? If so, I can ask Findagrave > FAG to move > them to that list, but I have to have something that says definitely WHERE > they were buried, Northern or Southern, or maybe at the Low Dutch Reform > church of Conewago (that would be northern) or maybe names Brush Run road > (also northern). > Here is a hot link to the SOUTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes called > Youngs: [1][2]http://goo.gl/cLNo0 > I would love to move them to the Northern -- after all they lived there in > that cabin across the road. Wasn't their land named "Mount Misery" or was > that a different Banta? The southern cemetery was a few miles away, which > would not have been logical in that day; Henry died 1777 and > Maria in 1778. > Shirley Wood is the volunteer responsible for posting and updating their > memorials. I think she just posted them in 2011. > Blessings & best wishes, > carolyn > Findagrave volunteer (#47319116) > On Apr 24, 2013, at 12:06 AM, Willora Glee Krapf on > du[2][3]tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >>>> I could post the burial lists > >> but > >>>> not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one > >> of > >>>> the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a > >>>> stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to > >>>> be buried there too. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DU[3][4]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >References > > 1. [5]http://goo.gl/cLNo0 > 2. [6]mailto:tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com > 3. [7]mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DU[8]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[9]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:carolynleonard@me.com 2. http://goo.gl/cLNo0 3. mailto:tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com 4. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com 5. http://goo.gl/cLNo0 6. mailto:tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com 7. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com 8. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com 9. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com

http://midatlantic.rootsweb.ancestry.com/familyhart/pictures/HarrySenft You will want disk # 49. While some of the stones can be easily read, others are much more difficult due to the impact of time and the weather but the photo's are quite clear. judy

Dear Carolyn; According to Arthur Weaner, "The list of gravestones in the Northern/Osborns Low Dutch Cemetery, Straban Twp., list no stones for this surname. However, one of the wives of a Banta who resided at 'Loss and Gain" the Banta home, was killed by a falling tree in a storm and buried in this cemetery, the location of which the late Samuel Russell Osborn ascertained from his map of the cemetery. Since the Baptism and the Deacons Records were written in Dutch, I would expect that any inscriptions on gravestones installed prior to say 1790 would be also. Since many of the current stones are memorial stones erected in the 1800's, it is possible that the Banta family removed the original stones with the intention of erecting a memorial stone, but never completed the plan. Judy On 04/24/13, Carolyn Leonard<carolynleonard@me.com> wrote: Hi Willora, Henry and Maria Banta are listed in the southern cemetery. Do you have any thing that we could use as proof that Maria and Henry Banta are buried at the northern cemetery? If so, I can ask Findagrave FAG to move them to that list, but I have to have something that says definitely WHERE they were buried, Northern or Southern, or maybe at the Low Dutch Reform church of Conewago (that would be northern) or maybe names Brush Run road (also northern). Here is a hot link to the SOUTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes called Youngs: [1]http://goo.gl/cLNo0 I would love to move them to the Northern -- after all they lived there in that cabin across the road. Wasn't their land named "Mount Misery" or was that a different Banta? The southern cemetery was a few miles away, which would not have been logical in that day; Henry died 1777 and Maria in 1778. Shirley Wood is the volunteer responsible for posting and updating their memorials. I think she just posted them in 2011. Blessings & best wishes, carolyn Findagrave volunteer (#47319116) On Apr 24, 2013, at 12:06 AM, Willora Glee Krapf on du[2]tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >>>> I could post the burial lists >> but >>>> not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one >> of >>>> the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a >>>> stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to >>>> be buried there too. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[3]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://goo.gl/cLNo0 2. mailto:tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com

Judy and list, On 23 April 2013 23:04, <jacassidy22@verizon.net> wrote: > > This is very interesting, What was customary back in the 1600's when our > ancestors lived in the Netherlands? > Judy > In those days most people were buried inside the church. And as close to the altar as possible. Those around the altar were of course the most expensive graves. Suicides, non-baptized babies, heretics and those who died by the hand of the executioner, were not allowed to be buried inside the church. They were buried in a special part of the graveyard next to the church. The other part was for the poor. The graves were not emptied, which caused a lot of problems, especially inside the churches. The church authorities had to perform divine services on a regular base, but also a growing number of rich families, who wanted their relative to be buried inside the church. So they had to store the corpses till there was an opportunity for the funeral. If the city was struck by an epidemic, the problems were huge. During the divine services even perfume was not effective enough, so the situation was unbearable. Authorities decided, that the funerals would be performed in the evening, after all services and masses were over. It lasted until Napoleon occupied the Netherlands and he declared an offical ban on church funerals in 1804. When the French left in 1813 people started church funerals again, but in 1829 king Willem 1 signed a law against burials inside the church. New graveyards had to be outside the city, although some of those have already been 'swallowed' by city expansion. Regards, Cor Snabel The Netherlands > > > On 04/23/13, cor snabel<cor.snabel@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear list, > To me it's amazing to see graves as old as 1750 or even older. > Here in the Netherlands a grave from 1950 is an rare exception. > Because we have so little space in our overcrowded country, one can only > rent a grave for a limited time. > We know two kinds of graves, the general grave and the private grave. > In a general grave, which is most common, two or three people are > buried, > who were usually (during their lifetime) strangers to each other. They > each > have their own small gravestone close to each other. After ten years > these > graves are removed to make place for someone else. > The private grave or family grave is also rented, but one can rent it > for > 10, 20 or 30 years. After that period the rent can be extended with > another > 10 or 20 years. And the contractant is free to decide who will be buried > there. > There are only a few âeternal gravesâ. Those graves last until the > graveyard stops to excist. But that option is no longer possible. > Regards > Cor Snabel > The Netherlands > > >

Vandalism to these old cemeteries involves more than pushing over stones and or spray painting them. There is a security light at Conewago installed several years ago. In a letter dated 7 14 1989, Arthur Weaner, discussing the northern cemetery, stated that "Sometime in March, unknown person or persons began digging in front of the stone of Rev. Cornelius Cozine, in the extreme NE corner of the Cemetery. The space dug up was 3' x 4', and generally 4-5 inches in depth, and the deepest place was ca. 10 inches. I suppose roots prevented further and greater digging." Judy

Hi Willora, Henry and Maria Banta are listed in the southern cemetery. Do you have any thing that we could use as proof that Maria and Henry Banta are buried at the northern cemetery? If so, I can ask Findagrave FAG to move them to that list, but I have to have something that says definitely WHERE they were buried, Northern or Southern, or maybe at the Low Dutch Reform church of Conewago (that would be northern) or maybe names Brush Run road (also northern). Here is a hot link to the SOUTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes called Youngs: http://goo.gl/cLNo0 I would love to move them to the Northern -- after all they lived there in that cabin across the road. Wasn't their land named "Mount Misery" or was that a different Banta? The southern cemetery was a few miles away, which would not have been logical in that day; Henry died 1777 and Maria in 1778. Shirley Wood is the volunteer responsible for posting and updating their memorials. I think she just posted them in 2011. Blessings & best wishes, carolyn Findagrave volunteer (#47319116) On Apr 24, 2013, at 12:06 AM, Willora Glee Krapf on dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >>>> I could post the burial lists >> but >>>> not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one >> of >>>> the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a >>>> stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to >>>> be buried there too.

Hello Carolyn, Would you kindly post the PA Series Number, Volume and page numbers for everyone as you mentioned information on burials in the Northern Cemetery from 1923 appearing in these volumes. Thanks Judy On 04/24/13, Carolyn Leonard<carolynleonard@me.com> wrote: Hi Nancy, Yes, I counted 30 that are listed in both cemeteries and I am still working with Findagrave (FAG) to straighten it out. As I said previously, > There have always many errors and much confusion about the two cemeteries, Northern and Southern. Some of the people are listed in both places. I have corresponded with findagrave about the problem but am not sure the listings are all straightened out yet.(It is not - new count last night shows there are still 30 duplicates.) I guess many people did not realize there were two different listings and just entered them wherever they chose. One of the volunteers who entered most of the ones in the Southern (Youngs) cemetery has since died and that complicates matters a little. I have to prove they are correctly in the Northern, which is where most of our people chose to be buried since it was next to their church. I have several different references I am using: 1. A list of the northern cemetery in the Pennsylvania Archives from 1923 (haven't found one there for the Southern) 2. Arthur Weaner's list 3. Willora Glee's lists for both cemeteries 4. My own list and photos (not all posted yet) from walking both cemeteries in 2004 and 2011. > Here is a hot link to the NORTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes called OSBORNs: [1]http://goo.gl/jGLhz > Here is a hot link to the SOUTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes called YOUNGs: [2]http://goo.gl/cLNo0 It will help if others send FAG a notice of the duplication too. If you see an error, click on the "edit" tab at the top right of the memorial page, enter the correct info and send. The person who is responsible for maintaining that memorial will receive the message. I am not responsible for all of them. Blessings and Best Wishes Cousin Carolyn in Oklahoma [3]www.CarolynBLeonard.com On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:56 AM, du[4]tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > From: Nancy Terhune <[5]nancyterhune@optonline.net> > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Willora Glee and the Conewago cemeteries > Date: April 24, 2013 7:59:18 AM CDT > To: [6]dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Reply-To: [7]dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > > > Has anyone compared the lists that Glee has to the Find-A-Grave lists for Southern and Northern cemeteries? > > Offhand, I see two people who are listed on both the Southern and Northern Find-A-Grave lists: > Susan Brinkerhoff > David Demaree > > David's stone is pictured in his Find-A-Grave listings for both cemeteries - identical stone, different photos - but he does not appear on Glee's list for Southern. A transcription of his stone is under his name on Glee's list for Northern. > > Susan's stone is not pictured in either Find-A-Grave listing. She does not appear on Glee's list for Southern. Her date of death appears in both places, but her date of birth only in Southern. DOB in Find-A-Grave's Northern is "Unknown." > > I didn't look beyond David Demaree, so don't know if there are more duplications. > > Nancy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[8]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://goo.gl/jGLhz 2. http://goo.gl/cLNo0 3. http://www.CarolynBLeonard.com/ 4. mailto:tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com 5. mailto:nancyterhune@optonline.net 6. mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com 7. mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com 8. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com

This is great information, thank you so much for posting. May I have your permission to repost in the Dutch Cousins round robin weekly e-letter? Would you like to be on the mailing list? Blessings, Carolyn > We are preparing for our once every two year Gathering of Low Dutch Cousins. We are descendants of the Low Dutch who settled New Amsterdam, moved to New Jersey, migrated to near Gettysburg, and made history when they later populated the Kentucky frontier. Our Dutch Cousins goal is to research, share and preserve the genealogy and history of our common Low Dutch heritage, including but not limited to, the restoration and preservation of the Old Mud Meetinghouse near Harrodsburg, KY. Our mission is to honor the memory of these ancestors, and enjoy the friendship of cousins - both newly-discovered and long-loved. To learn more about the Low Dutch check out our official webpage managed by Pam Ellingson webmaster: www.DutchCousins.org; Also you can go to www.carolynbleonard.com and click on Dutch Cousins, and the LOWDUTCHHERITAGE; sign up for the Dutch Letters round robin weekly email Buffalo234@cox.net; and visit the Dutch Cousins Facebook page. On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:56 AM, dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > In those days most people were buried inside the church. And as close to > the altar as possible. Those around the altar were of course the most > expensive graves. Suicides, non-baptized babies, heretics and those who > died by the hand of the executioner, were not allowed to be buried inside > the church. They were buried in a special part of the graveyard next to the > church. The other part was for the poor. > > > The graves were not emptied, which caused a lot of problems, especially > inside the churches. > > The church authorities had to perform divine services on a regular base, > but also a growing number of rich families, who wanted their relative to be > buried inside the church. So they had to store the corpses till there was > an opportunity for the funeral. If the city was struck by an epidemic, the > problems were huge. During the divine services even perfume was not > effective enough, so the situation was unbearable. Authorities decided, > that the funerals would be performed in the evening, after all services and > masses were over. > > > It lasted until Napoleon occupied the Netherlands and he declared an > offical ban on church funerals in 1804. When the French left in 1813 people > started church funerals again, but in 1829 king Willem 1 signed a law > against burials inside the church. New graveyards had to be outside the > city, although some of those have already been 'swallowed' by city > expansion. > > Regards, > Cor Snabel > The Netherlands > To me it's amazing to see graves as old as 1750 or even older. > Here in the Netherlands a grave from 1950 is an rare exception. > Because we have so little space in our overcrowded country, one can only > rent a grave for a limited time. > We know two kinds of graves, the general grave and the private grave. > In a general grave, which is most common, two or three people are > buried, > who were usually (during their lifetime) strangers to each other. They > each > have their own small gravestone close to each other. After ten years > these > graves are removed to make place for someone else. > The private grave or family grave is also rented, but one can rent it > for > 10, 20 or 30 years. After that period the rent can be extended with > another > 10 or 20 years. And the contractant is free to decide who will be buried > there. > There are only a few âeternal gravesâ. Those graves last until the > graveyard stops to excist. But that option is no longer possible. > Regards > Cor Snabel > The Netherlands >

Willora's list for the Northern Low Dutch Cemetery is dated the summer of 1965, The Southern Cemetery, 1963. The unknown writer indicates at the bottom of the page for the Southern Cemetery "that as far as the Southern Cemetery is concerned no attempt has been made to indicate the location of the many field stone markers that appear in the Cemetery. We have been informed that many of the stones have been removed over the years by vandals. Apparently this is true, for comparison of the above names (referring to the list), with lists made in earlier years, reveal many missing. Added note by person who originally made this list. He or she is unknown." No indication as to who made this list. The Northern Cemetery map does show the locations of the fieldstones with no inscriptions, "many thus indicated are probably footstones," Other than the list of names or initials, not further information given. It is also important to note that after 1800 several of those buried here were not of Low Dutch descent. Judy On 04/24/13, Nancy Terhune<nancyterhune@optonline.net> wrote: Has anyone compared the lists that Glee has to the Find-A-Grave lists for Southern and Northern cemeteries? Offhand, I see two people who are listed on both the Southern and Northern Find-A-Grave lists: Susan Brinkerhoff David Demaree David's stone is pictured in his Find-A-Grave listings for both cemeteries - identical stone, different photos - but he does not appear on Glee's list for Southern. A transcription of his stone is under his name on Glee's list for Northern. Susan's stone is not pictured in either Find-A-Grave listing. She does not appear on Glee's list for Southern. Her date of death appears in both places, but her date of birth only in Southern. DOB in Find-A-Grave's Northern is "Unknown." I didn't look beyond David Demaree, so don't know if there are more duplications. Nancy On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Carolyn Leonard wrote: > Hi Willora Glee and cousins, > You did share those listings with me Willora, and I posted them on > findagrave -- at least all of those that were not already on there -- > and added family info to those I knew about. Also Mr. Weaner gave me > his transcript of the burials in the northern cemetery, I have a copy > of the listing that is in the Pennsylvania Archives, Willora Glee sent > me her list, and my hubby and I walked both burial grounds in the last > few years. Also whenever I have a few minutes I research the names on > ancestry and other sites to help get the families sorted out and to > verify info about the names. I am now going over the Gettysburg Times' > 1960 series "A Bit of History About Early Settlers." > > There have always many errors and much confusion about the two > cemeteries, Northern and Southern. Some of the people are listed in > both places. I have corresponded with findagrave about the problem but > am not sure the listings are all straightened out yet. > > Here is a hot link to the NORTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes > called Osborns: [1]http://goo.gl/jGLhz > When that page opens, click on "view all interments" at the upper > right. There are 64 memorials listed. You can double click on the > underlined names to open and read what has been posted. If you have > documentation of someone buried there who is not listed, even if there > is no marker remaining, please email me at [2]carolynleonard@me.com and I > will try to fix it. Of course, you have to have some type of proof > they are buried there. If you see an error, click on the "edit" tab at > the top right of the memorial page, enter the correct info and send. > The person who is responsible for maintaining that memorial will > receive it. I am responsible for only 25 of the 64 memorials there > now. > > There are 72 burials listed in the Southern or Lower Low Dutch > cemetery. > Here is a hot link to the SOUTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes called > Youngs: [3]http://goo.gl/cLNo0 > > I would be happy to receive any info any of you have that would help. > You can email it to me at carolynleonard@me.com. > > By the way -- We are preparing for our once every two year Gathering > of Low Dutch Cousins. We are descendants of the Low Dutch who settled > New Amsterdam, moved to New Jersey, migrated to near Gettysburg, and > made history when they later populated the Kentucky frontier. Our > Dutch Cousins goal is to research, share and preserve the genealogy > and history of our common Low Dutch heritage, including but not > limited to, the restoration and preservation of the Old Mud > Meetinghouse near Harrodsburg, KY. Our mission is to honor the memory > of these ancestors, and enjoy the friendship of cousins - both > newly-discovered and long-loved. To learn more about the Low Dutch > check out our official webpage managed by Pam Ellingson webmaster: > [4]www.DutchCousins.org; Also you can go to [5]www.carolynbleonard.com and > click on Dutch Cousins, and the LOWDUTCHHERITAGE; sign up for the > Dutch Letters round robin weekly email [6]Buffalo234@cox.net; and visit > the Dutch Cousins Facebook page. > Download free genealogy stuff at [7]http://bit.ly/Genealogystuff > Blessings & Best wishes, > cousin carolyn in Oklahoma > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:56 AM, du[8]tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com > wrote: > >> I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. I >> was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and >> South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I >> could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to >> the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for >> over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn >> Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists but >> not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one of >> the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a >> stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to >> be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to >> handle this? >> Glee Van Osdol Krapf > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DU[9]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[10]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://goo.gl/jGLhz 2. mailto:carolynleonard@me.com 3. http://goo.gl/cLNo0 4. http://www.DutchCousins.org;/ 5. http://www.carolynbleonard.com/ 6. mailto:Buffalo234@cox.net 7. http://bit.ly/Genealogystuff 8. mailto:tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com 9. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com 10. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com

Hi Nancy, Yes, I counted 30 that are listed in both cemeteries and I am still working with Findagrave (FAG) to straighten it out. As I said previously, > There have always many errors and much confusion about the two cemeteries, Northern and Southern. Some of the people are listed in both places. I have corresponded with findagrave about the problem but am not sure the listings are all straightened out yet.(It is not - new count last night shows there are still 30 duplicates.) I guess many people did not realize there were two different listings and just entered them wherever they chose. One of the volunteers who entered most of the ones in the Southern (Youngs) cemetery has since died and that complicates matters a little. I have to prove they are correctly in the Northern, which is where most of our people chose to be buried since it was next to their church. I have several different references I am using: 1. A list of the northern cemetery in the Pennsylvania Archives from 1923 (haven't found one there for the Southern) 2. Arthur Weaner's list 3. Willora Glee's lists for both cemeteries 4. My own list and photos (not all posted yet) from walking both cemeteries in 2004 and 2011. > Here is a hot link to the NORTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes called OSBORNs: http://goo.gl/jGLhz > Here is a hot link to the SOUTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes called YOUNGs: http://goo.gl/cLNo0 It will help if others send FAG a notice of the duplication too. If you see an error, click on the "edit" tab at the top right of the memorial page, enter the correct info and send. The person who is responsible for maintaining that memorial will receive the message. I am not responsible for all of them. Blessings and Best Wishes Cousin Carolyn in Oklahoma www.CarolynBLeonard.com On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:56 AM, dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > From: Nancy Terhune <nancyterhune@optonline.net> > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Willora Glee and the Conewago cemeteries > Date: April 24, 2013 7:59:18 AM CDT > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Reply-To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > > > Has anyone compared the lists that Glee has to the Find-A-Grave lists for Southern and Northern cemeteries? > > Offhand, I see two people who are listed on both the Southern and Northern Find-A-Grave lists: > Susan Brinkerhoff > David Demaree > > David's stone is pictured in his Find-A-Grave listings for both cemeteries - identical stone, different photos - but he does not appear on Glee's list for Southern. A transcription of his stone is under his name on Glee's list for Northern. > > Susan's stone is not pictured in either Find-A-Grave listing. She does not appear on Glee's list for Southern. Her date of death appears in both places, but her date of birth only in Southern. DOB in Find-A-Grave's Northern is "Unknown." > > I didn't look beyond David Demaree, so don't know if there are more duplications. > > Nancy

Doris and list > Does this lack of space for graves encourage the Dutch to use cremation > instead of burial? Yes, more than half of the Dutch choose for cremation. I don't see much difference in what you describe and what happens here. Regards, Cor Snabel The Netherlands In some parts of the US today, there are more > cremations than burials today. Some of the cremations result in > "inurnments" in above-ground columbariums which take up much less space > than traditional cemeteries, but are part of cemeteries. Some people have > their ashes scattered, or buried in a churchyard, or something of the type. > Memorial services can be held instead of a traditional funeral with a > casket present, whether there is a burial or a cremation. Cremations are > fairly recent in many parts of the US today. One of my uncles was cremated > in the 1970s, my father in 2000, my mother's plans include cremation, as do > mine. Their remains are all in the same columbarium. My ashes will be > placed at a camp that has been meaningful to me for many decades. Another > aunt had her ashes scattered on a favorite hiking mountain. > > Doris Waggoner > Seattle, Washington, USA > > >

Thank you so much for your response, as always very interesting and educational. To be able to bury their dead as they wished once they arrived in the Colonies must have been an added benefit to settling here. Judy On 04/24/13, cor snabel<cor.snabel@gmail.com> wrote: Judy and list, On 23 April 2013 23:04, <[1]jacassidy22@verizon.net> wrote: > > This is very interesting, What was customary back in the 1600's when our > ancestors lived in the Netherlands? > Judy > In those days most people were buried inside the church. And as close to the altar as possible. Those around the altar were of course the most expensive graves. Suicides, non-baptized babies, heretics and those who died by the hand of the executioner, were not allowed to be buried inside the church. They were buried in a special part of the graveyard next to the church. The other part was for the poor. The graves were not emptied, which caused a lot of problems, especially inside the churches. The church authorities had to perform divine services on a regular base, but also a growing number of rich families, who wanted their relative to be buried inside the church. So they had to store the corpses till there was an opportunity for the funeral. If the city was struck by an epidemic, the problems were huge. During the divine services even perfume was not effective enough, so the situation was unbearable. Authorities decided, that the funerals would be performed in the evening, after all services and masses were over. It lasted until Napoleon occupied the Netherlands and he declared an offical ban on church funerals in 1804. When the French left in 1813 people started church funerals again, but in 1829 king Willem 1 signed a law against burials inside the church. New graveyards had to be outside the city, although some of those have already been 'swallowed' by city expansion. Regards, Cor Snabel The Netherlands > > > On 04/23/13, cor snabel<[2]cor.snabel@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear list, > To me it's amazing to see graves as old as 1750 or even older. > Here in the Netherlands a grave from 1950 is an rare exception. > Because we have so little space in our overcrowded country, one can only > rent a grave for a limited time. > We know two kinds of graves, the general grave and the private grave. > In a general grave, which is most common, two or three people are > buried, > who were usually (during their lifetime) strangers to each other. They > each > have their own small gravestone close to each other. After ten years > these > graves are removed to make place for someone else. > The private grave or family grave is also rented, but one can rent it > for > 10, 20 or 30 years. After that period the rent can be extended with > another > 10 or 20 years. And the contractant is free to decide who will be buried > there. > There are only a few âeternal gravesâ. Those graves last until the > graveyard stops to excist. But that option is no longer possible. > Regards > Cor Snabel > The Netherlands > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[3]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:jacassidy22@verizon.net 2. mailto:cor.snabel@gmail.com 3. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com

Glee's list plus the drawings of each grave in the cemetery appear to have been made by one of the caretakers at some point. This seems like a good project so I am going to compile a list of those who died during their time at Conewago and are probably buried there, plus I will recheck in June at the PA State Library as they also have a list of burials and will contact the Trustee to see if he has something else. According to Arthur Weaner there was a 1930 List of Stones in the Northern Cemetery containing 13 graves belonging to the Brinkerhoff family. Of interest is that there is also a "slave cemetery," located on a tract of land George Brinkerhoff warranted, 25 Feb. 1788, DB B-169 for 192 acres, and this slave cemetery was still in existence in 1997. (Arthur Weaner, A List of Taxables Of The Low Dutch Settlement of the Conewago, York County, PA 1762-1799).24-25. George Brinkerhoff was buried in this cemetery, b. 1719-d. 1810. There was a third location being considered as a cemetery for residents of Berwick and Reading Twp. That was at the Round Hill Presbyterian Congregation. A Warrant was issue to William Mackey and Garret Dorland for 25 acres (In Trust for the use of a Burying Place for the Round Hill Settlement), in Reading Twp, 5 Sept. 1786. While Garret Dorland was Dutch, William Mackey was not but many of the Low Dutch lived in these townships. The feeling was that since most of the Low Dutch left in 1783, perhaps a cemetery closer to their residences would be useful. Carting a casket in the winter months and or bad weather, the distance to travel to the Northern Cemetery could be hazardous so perhaps this is the reason for considering this site. There was no further record of a patent issued. Round Hill does exist today, but I don't know if any of the Low Dutch actually used it. Those living near the Southern Cemetery did not have as much of an issue as they were fewer in number and the cemetery was closer to their homes. Those using the Northern cemetery were scattered among several Townships due to their larger numbers so distance to both the church and cemetery was always an issue and one reason they migrated to Kentucky. Neither the Congregation at the Northern Cemetery at Conewago or the Dorland Family Cemetery in NJ had separate deeds from their eventual owners once the original people died off. That is still true today although over the years descendants have tried to obtain a separate deed for each. The Northern and Southern Cemeteries have the advantage of being on the road so it is easy to access them, while the Dorland cemetery sits quite a ways back and you can only access it using the road to the main house etc. So the Northern and Dorland cemeteries are part of the farms and if you buy that farm, the cemetery comes along with it. PA cemeteries are protected by Title 19, Purdon's Statutes 5509. A. Offense defined, which covers the destruction and desecration of a place of worship or burial or monument. B. Under Section 1101 of this Title, is the amount of the fine for such and then under Sec. 1104 the imprisonment not to be more than two years. We tried for many years to get the Adams County Hist. Soc. to provide a marker for the Northern Cemetery and church site at least but they felt that no one today has ever heard of these people, their descendants are either deceased or have moved away and they tend to be a little short sighted if the area in question does not relate to the Battle of Gettysburg. The site is not that important to the history of Adams Co. PA. Naturally we disagree as this was the furthest Dutch Reformed Church on the western frontier in the 1700's. Judy Judy On 04/24/13, Nancy Terhune<nancyterhune@optonline.net> wrote: Has anyone compared the lists that Glee has to the Find-A-Grave lists for Southern and Northern cemeteries? Offhand, I see two people who are listed on both the Southern and Northern Find-A-Grave lists: Susan Brinkerhoff David Demaree David's stone is pictured in his Find-A-Grave listings for both cemeteries - identical stone, different photos - but he does not appear on Glee's list for Southern. A transcription of his stone is under his name on Glee's list for Northern. Susan's stone is not pictured in either Find-A-Grave listing. She does not appear on Glee's list for Southern. Her date of death appears in both places, but her date of birth only in Southern. DOB in Find-A-Grave's Northern is "Unknown." I didn't look beyond David Demaree, so don't know if there are more duplications. Nancy On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Carolyn Leonard wrote: > Hi Willora Glee and cousins, > You did share those listings with me Willora, and I posted them on > findagrave -- at least all of those that were not already on there -- > and added family info to those I knew about. Also Mr. Weaner gave me > his transcript of the burials in the northern cemetery, I have a copy > of the listing that is in the Pennsylvania Archives, Willora Glee sent > me her list, and my hubby and I walked both burial grounds in the last > few years. Also whenever I have a few minutes I research the names on > ancestry and other sites to help get the families sorted out and to > verify info about the names. I am now going over the Gettysburg Times' > 1960 series "A Bit of History About Early Settlers." > > There have always many errors and much confusion about the two > cemeteries, Northern and Southern. Some of the people are listed in > both places. I have corresponded with findagrave about the problem but > am not sure the listings are all straightened out yet. > > Here is a hot link to the NORTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes > called Osborns: [1]http://goo.gl/jGLhz > When that page opens, click on "view all interments" at the upper > right. There are 64 memorials listed. You can double click on the > underlined names to open and read what has been posted. If you have > documentation of someone buried there who is not listed, even if there > is no marker remaining, please email me at [2]carolynleonard@me.com and I > will try to fix it. Of course, you have to have some type of proof > they are buried there. If you see an error, click on the "edit" tab at > the top right of the memorial page, enter the correct info and send. > The person who is responsible for maintaining that memorial will > receive it. I am responsible for only 25 of the 64 memorials there > now. > > There are 72 burials listed in the Southern or Lower Low Dutch > cemetery. > Here is a hot link to the SOUTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes called > Youngs: [3]http://goo.gl/cLNo0 > > I would be happy to receive any info any of you have that would help. > You can email it to me at carolynleonard@me.com. > > By the way -- We are preparing for our once every two year Gathering > of Low Dutch Cousins. We are descendants of the Low Dutch who settled > New Amsterdam, moved to New Jersey, migrated to near Gettysburg, and > made history when they later populated the Kentucky frontier. Our > Dutch Cousins goal is to research, share and preserve the genealogy > and history of our common Low Dutch heritage, including but not > limited to, the restoration and preservation of the Old Mud > Meetinghouse near Harrodsburg, KY. Our mission is to honor the memory > of these ancestors, and enjoy the friendship of cousins - both > newly-discovered and long-loved. To learn more about the Low Dutch > check out our official webpage managed by Pam Ellingson webmaster: > [4]www.DutchCousins.org; Also you can go to [5]www.carolynbleonard.com and > click on Dutch Cousins, and the LOWDUTCHHERITAGE; sign up for the > Dutch Letters round robin weekly email [6]Buffalo234@cox.net; and visit > the Dutch Cousins Facebook page. > Download free genealogy stuff at [7]http://bit.ly/Genealogystuff > Blessings & Best wishes, > cousin carolyn in Oklahoma > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:56 AM, du[8]tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com > wrote: > >> I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. I >> was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and >> South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I >> could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to >> the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for >> over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn >> Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists but >> not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one of >> the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a >> stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to >> be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to >> handle this? >> Glee Van Osdol Krapf > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DU[9]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[10]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://goo.gl/jGLhz 2. mailto:carolynleonard@me.com 3. http://goo.gl/cLNo0 4. http://www.DutchCousins.org;/ 5. http://www.carolynbleonard.com/ 6. mailto:Buffalo234@cox.net 7. http://bit.ly/Genealogystuff 8. mailto:tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com 9. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com 10. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com

I did not make the burial list out for either cemetery. They are just the same as they came to me. I have no idea who wrote the two lists. They have to be compared to the diagram of where the graves are located in both cemeteries. At 08:59 AM 4/24/2013, you wrote: >Has anyone compared the lists that Glee has to the Find-A-Grave lists >for Southern and Northern cemeteries? > >Offhand, I see two people who are listed on both the Southern and >Northern Find-A-Grave lists: >Susan Brinkerhoff >David Demaree > >David's stone is pictured in his Find-A-Grave listings for both >cemeteries - identical stone, different photos - but he does not appear >on Glee's list for Southern. A transcription of his stone is under his >name on Glee's list for Northern. > >Susan's stone is not pictured in either Find-A-Grave listing. She does >not appear on Glee's list for Southern. Her date of death appears in >both places, but her date of birth only in Southern. DOB in >Find-A-Grave's Northern is "Unknown." > >I didn't look beyond David Demaree, so don't know if there are more >duplications. > >Nancy > > >On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Carolyn Leonard wrote: > > > Hi Willora Glee and cousins, > > You did share those listings with me Willora, and I posted them on > > findagrave -- at least all of those that were not already on there -- > > and added family info to those I knew about. Also Mr. Weaner gave me > > his transcript of the burials in the northern cemetery, I have a copy > > of the listing that is in the Pennsylvania Archives, Willora Glee sent > > me her list, and my hubby and I walked both burial grounds in the last > > few years. Also whenever I have a few minutes I research the names on > > ancestry and other sites to help get the families sorted out and to > > verify info about the names. I am now going over the Gettysburg Times' > > 1960 series "A Bit of History About Early Settlers." > > > > There have always many errors and much confusion about the two > > cemeteries, Northern and Southern. Some of the people are listed in > > both places. I have corresponded with findagrave about the problem but > > am not sure the listings are all straightened out yet. > > > > Here is a hot link to the NORTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes > > called Osborns: http://goo.gl/jGLhz > > When that page opens, click on "view all interments" at the upper > > right. There are 64 memorials listed. You can double click on the > > underlined names to open and read what has been posted. If you have > > documentation of someone buried there who is not listed, even if there > > is no marker remaining, please email me at carolynleonard@me.com and I > > will try to fix it. Of course, you have to have some type of proof > > they are buried there. If you see an error, click on the "edit" tab at > > the top right of the memorial page, enter the correct info and send. > > The person who is responsible for maintaining that memorial will > > receive it. I am responsible for only 25 of the 64 memorials there > > now. > > > > There are 72 burials listed in the Southern or Lower Low Dutch > > cemetery. > > Here is a hot link to the SOUTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes called > > Youngs: http://goo.gl/cLNo0 > > > > I would be happy to receive any info any of you have that would help. > > You can email it to me at carolynleonard@me.com. > > > > By the way -- We are preparing for our once every two year Gathering > > of Low Dutch Cousins. We are descendants of the Low Dutch who settled > > New Amsterdam, moved to New Jersey, migrated to near Gettysburg, and > > made history when they later populated the Kentucky frontier. Our > > Dutch Cousins goal is to research, share and preserve the genealogy > > and history of our common Low Dutch heritage, including but not > > limited to, the restoration and preservation of the Old Mud > > Meetinghouse near Harrodsburg, KY. Our mission is to honor the memory > > of these ancestors, and enjoy the friendship of cousins - both > > newly-discovered and long-loved. To learn more about the Low Dutch > > check out our official webpage managed by Pam Ellingson webmaster: > > www.DutchCousins.org; Also you can go to www.carolynbleonard.com and > > click on Dutch Cousins, and the LOWDUTCHHERITAGE; sign up for the > > Dutch Letters round robin weekly email Buffalo234@cox.net; and visit > > the Dutch Cousins Facebook page. > > Download free genealogy stuff at http://bit.ly/Genealogystuff > > Blessings & Best wishes, > > cousin carolyn in Oklahoma > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:56 AM, dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com > > wrote: > > > >> I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. I > >> was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and > >> South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I > >> could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to > >> the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for > >> over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn > >> Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists but > >> not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one of > >> the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a > >> stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to > >> be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to > >> handle this? > >> Glee Van Osdol Krapf > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone compared the lists that Glee has to the Find-A-Grave lists for Southern and Northern cemeteries? Offhand, I see two people who are listed on both the Southern and Northern Find-A-Grave lists: Susan Brinkerhoff David Demaree David's stone is pictured in his Find-A-Grave listings for both cemeteries - identical stone, different photos - but he does not appear on Glee's list for Southern. A transcription of his stone is under his name on Glee's list for Northern. Susan's stone is not pictured in either Find-A-Grave listing. She does not appear on Glee's list for Southern. Her date of death appears in both places, but her date of birth only in Southern. DOB in Find-A-Grave's Northern is "Unknown." I didn't look beyond David Demaree, so don't know if there are more duplications. Nancy On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Carolyn Leonard wrote: > Hi Willora Glee and cousins, > You did share those listings with me Willora, and I posted them on > findagrave -- at least all of those that were not already on there -- > and added family info to those I knew about. Also Mr. Weaner gave me > his transcript of the burials in the northern cemetery, I have a copy > of the listing that is in the Pennsylvania Archives, Willora Glee sent > me her list, and my hubby and I walked both burial grounds in the last > few years. Also whenever I have a few minutes I research the names on > ancestry and other sites to help get the families sorted out and to > verify info about the names. I am now going over the Gettysburg Times' > 1960 series "A Bit of History About Early Settlers." > > There have always many errors and much confusion about the two > cemeteries, Northern and Southern. Some of the people are listed in > both places. I have corresponded with findagrave about the problem but > am not sure the listings are all straightened out yet. > > Here is a hot link to the NORTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes > called Osborns: http://goo.gl/jGLhz > When that page opens, click on "view all interments" at the upper > right. There are 64 memorials listed. You can double click on the > underlined names to open and read what has been posted. If you have > documentation of someone buried there who is not listed, even if there > is no marker remaining, please email me at carolynleonard@me.com and I > will try to fix it. Of course, you have to have some type of proof > they are buried there. If you see an error, click on the "edit" tab at > the top right of the memorial page, enter the correct info and send. > The person who is responsible for maintaining that memorial will > receive it. I am responsible for only 25 of the 64 memorials there > now. > > There are 72 burials listed in the Southern or Lower Low Dutch > cemetery. > Here is a hot link to the SOUTHERN Low Dutch Cemetery sometimes called > Youngs: http://goo.gl/cLNo0 > > I would be happy to receive any info any of you have that would help. > You can email it to me at carolynleonard@me.com. > > By the way -- We are preparing for our once every two year Gathering > of Low Dutch Cousins. We are descendants of the Low Dutch who settled > New Amsterdam, moved to New Jersey, migrated to near Gettysburg, and > made history when they later populated the Kentucky frontier. Our > Dutch Cousins goal is to research, share and preserve the genealogy > and history of our common Low Dutch heritage, including but not > limited to, the restoration and preservation of the Old Mud > Meetinghouse near Harrodsburg, KY. Our mission is to honor the memory > of these ancestors, and enjoy the friendship of cousins - both > newly-discovered and long-loved. To learn more about the Low Dutch > check out our official webpage managed by Pam Ellingson webmaster: > www.DutchCousins.org; Also you can go to www.carolynbleonard.com and > click on Dutch Cousins, and the LOWDUTCHHERITAGE; sign up for the > Dutch Letters round robin weekly email Buffalo234@cox.net; and visit > the Dutch Cousins Facebook page. > Download free genealogy stuff at http://bit.ly/Genealogystuff > Blessings & Best wishes, > cousin carolyn in Oklahoma > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:56 AM, dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com > wrote: > >> I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. I >> was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and >> South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I >> could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to >> the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for >> over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn >> Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists but >> not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one of >> the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a >> stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to >> be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to >> handle this? >> Glee Van Osdol Krapf > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear list, To me it's amazing to see graves as old as 1750 or even older. Here in the Netherlands a grave from 1950 is an rare exception. Because we have so little space in our overcrowded country, one can only rent a grave for a limited time. We know two kinds of graves, the general grave and the private grave. In a general grave, which is most common, two or three people are buried, who were usually (during their lifetime) strangers to each other. They each have their own small gravestone close to each other. After ten years these graves are removed to make place for someone else. The private grave or family grave is also rented, but one can rent it for 10, 20 or 30 years. After that period the rent can be extended with another 10 or 20 years. And the contractant is free to decide who will be buried there. There are only a few “eternal graves”. Those graves last until the graveyard stops to excist. But that option is no longer possible. Regards Cor Snabel The Netherlands On 23 April 2013 20:52, <jacassidy22@verizon.net> wrote: > > This information was contained in a letter sent to me by Arthur Weaner > in > 1983 after I had asked him about the ministers copy. > Unfortunately Mr. Osborn never showed or shared either the Dutch or > English > cemetery plan, the latter plan he is supposed to have taken to the > cemetery > between two pieces of glass to facilitate his work. As a guess in the > late > 1970's his house was robbed and my understanding is that in same he > lost > the treasured cemetery plot plans. FROM MEMORY, he inferred the loss. > I > suppose some what grieved that if he had shared with me his loss of the > original they could be replaced from my Copy. > Mr. Osborn died 7 Nov. 1783, age 67, buried in Biglerville Cem, > although he > wishes to be buried in the Low Dutch Swift Run Cemetery. I believe the > current owner is Carol Joy Baker and she purchased it from the Osborne > family. I will have to dig out the advertisement. > SO both Mr. Osbourne and Arthur did have some kind of map which they > apparently drew, but not the ministers copy which would have been in > Dutch. > Mr. Osbourne probably made his own map and copy after the robbery. > Since > many dates on the map Glee has are after 1800, this is not the > original, but > there were TWO drawings made of the cemetery PLUS the original plat > plan. > Judy > > > On 04/23/13, marguerite puca<jerseymap@gmail.com> wrote: > > Could you take pictures of the 7 pages (plus map) and post the pics? > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Willora Glee <[1]gleek@ptd.net> > wrote: > > I have given money in the past to maintain the Conewago cemeteries. I > > was given in the past the list of who is buried in the North and > > South cemeteries of Conewago. I also have a plot map for them. I > > could share them but there are seven pages and I cannot post them to > > the list. I have had these maps and burial lists for a long time for > > over 15 years. If memory serves me right I shared them with Carolyn > > Leonard and her Dutch Cousins list. I could post the burial lists but > > not to plot maps. Maria Stryker Banta is supposed to buried in one of > > the two cemeteries but there is not listing for her nor is there a > > stone for her. She was buried to Henry Banta 4th. He is supposed to > > be buried there too. I descend out of them. How do you want me to > handle > > this? > > Glee Van Osdol Krapf > > > > > > At 11:12 AM 4/22/2013, you wrote: > > > > > Both the Dorland Cemetery on Sunset Road in Montgomery Twp. Somerset > > > County, NJ and the Conewago Cemetery on Swift Run Road are comprised > > of > > > grave makers which are basically field stone rocks which, if lucky, > > are > > > marked with initials and a date. The date of the Dorland > > > Cemetery is around > > > 1735 with burials ending by 1800, while the Conewago Cemetery > > probably was > > > established ca. 1772 however burials continued into the 1900's > > > with only two > > > burials, one a gypsy boy buried ca. 1910-1912 and David Weaner > burial > > in > > > 1964. More times than not, there is just a stone marker and those > > can be > > > just the tip of the stone, the stone may have sunk into the ground, > > fallen > > > on its side so only a odd shaped stone sticks up, that kind of > thing. > > Most > > > of these are rough read colored stones at Conewago and field stones > > which > > > seem to be cut in a long narrow shape with an indent half way > > > down the stone > > > at the Dorland cemetery. > > > Conewago RDCh. families later erected the more familiar gravestones > > on a > > > few family plots, but today there are many unmarked graves, the > > > field stones > > > long gone. There was a man, Gerry Byers, a german man who was > > employed by > > > the church in the 1700's who was the custodian of the cemetery, > > whether or > > > not he was responsible for the cutting of the field stones was never > > > mentioned but these were not just superficial stones, they were > > > long enough > > > and mostly narrow, as were the Dorland stones to be sunk deeply into > > the > > > ground. > > > The Dorland field stones were crushed by heavy farm equipment > > > which had been > > > parked there and/or pushed down under the ground by the weight of > the > > > equipment. While the Conewago Cemetery was enclosed by a stone wall, > > the > > > Dorland cemetery was never that fortunate. There is a limited list > of > > > burials for Conewago but in order to determine whether or > > > not your ancestor > > > was actually buried there, the baptismal, deacons records and > > > wills need to > > > be consulted. They are not going to actually state that so and so > was > > > buried there, however. Since the church was located next door to the > > > cemetery, later closer to Route 30, and there was also a southern > > cemetery > > > for the use of the Low Dutch living in that area. If someone in this > > > community died between 1772 and say 1804 when the church was closed > > what > > > remained of the congregation scattered to other churches. Some of > > these > > > families were buried in the church cemetery. Burials did, as > > mentioned > > > take place after 1804, as not all families migrated to Kentucky or > > Ohio, > > > however, they were few. Burials in the early years seemed to be not > > in > > > family plots but when the person died, so you have the members of > the > > > congregation mixed together. Initials and dates, if lucky, were > > > chiseled or > > > scratched into the stone but they were professionally done. That may > > have > > > been Mr. Byers job to do. He and his family also migrated down to > > Kentucky > > > in 1783 -1790. > > > At one time apparently there was a list of burials and a map showing > > their > > > location at Conewago which the caretaker in 1963 had in his > > possession. > > > Arther Weaner could never get him to show this map to him. He could > > point > > > out the location of who was buried where, but that document has > > > never been > > > made public, we know from the John Dorland Cremer book that 30 > > > to 40 burials > > > were in the Dorland cemetery with head and footstones. > > > The major concern is that throughout many counties and states > because > > they > > > ancient Dutch burial grounds did not look like what people in the > last > > > century felt cemeteries should look like, well then they were just a > > field > > > of rocks. This is probably been the largest cause of their > > > demise, farmers > > > plowed them under, developers built houses on them, that kind of > > thing. > > > Does any one else have a early Dutch family cemetery or know of a > > Dutch > > > Church cemetery in which the early burials were marked with field > > stones? > > > Judy Cassidy > > > > > >------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >DU[2]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DU[3]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DU[4]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > References > > 1. mailto:gleek@ptd.net > 2. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > 3. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > 4. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jane: Information request sent to the NPS: Upper Delaware. ________________________________ > > From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> > > Using a branding iron would be an easy way to mark logs and barrels. . . > =============================================================

Thank you for the information. I was wondering about that. It seems like your burial practices are similar to those in Germany. ________________________________ > > From: cor snabel <cor.snabel@gmail.com> > > To me it's amazing to see graves as old as 1750 or even older. . .Here in the Netherlands a grave from 1950 is an rare exception. . . > ========================================================

A scan would be far better and more easily manipulated afterward. If the documents are too big to fit on the scanner bed, they can be scanned in pieces and reassembled with free graphic software (Irfanview is an easy example). The scans could then be uploaded to a website like Flickr for everyone to view or sent as attachments to interested parties' personal e-mail addresses (Rootsweb doesn't allow attachments to go through their mailing list system). ________________________________ > > From: marguerite puca <jerseymap@gmail.com> > > Could you take pictures of the 7 pages (plus map) and post the pics?. > =============================================================