I recall reading (but do not recall the source) that it was actually the Finns, the most numerous settlers in the Swedish colony, who specialized in building log cabins, which were (and perhaps still are) a common type of structure in Finland, which was, In think, under Swedish control during the time fame in question. Even today, I have read, if you want a well build log cabin, hire a Finn to built it. Having said that, I suppose that the Swedes also built log cabins, but who actually built the first one in New Sweden is not clear to me. David Smock =============== ----- Original Message ----- From: <dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:01 AM Subject: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 8, Issue 88 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: New Sweden anniversary (juliasgenes) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. >

According to "The Island at the Center of the World", Russell Shorto, this action by Stuyvesant precipitated angry retaliatory attacks by a union of Native tribes against the Dutch colonists. They had been very friendly with the Swedish colonists and happily traded with them. The great Adriaen Van der Donck seems to have been one of the victims. By the way, I have a vague memory of reading where the design and structural techniques of the iconic "American log cabin" was brought to North America by these Swedish colonists. Am I remembering correctly? If so, does anyone know of a source? Thank you, Julia ________________________________ > > From: bomendal <bomendal@bellsouth.net> > > . . .Governor-General Petrus Stuyvesant dealt decisively with the Swedish interlopers in 1655. . . > ====================================================

Hi Jackie, A bit of history little known by the general public, I suspect. Governor-General Petrus Stuyvesant dealt decisively with the Swedish interlopers in 1655, and they never threatened Dutch sovereignty again, but traces of Swedish and especially Finnish influence (since most of the "Swedish" settlers were actually Finns) persist to this day. Christopher Ward, "The Dutch & Swedes on the Delaware 1609-64," University of Pennsylvania Press, 1930, is an authoritative history of Dutch and Swedish settlement of the region, and I am fortunate to have a copy. David ========== ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Harder" <jaharder88@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:26 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Sweden anniversary The King and Queen of Sweden were in Delaware this weekend to celebrate the 375th anniversary of the settlement of New Sweden. Article and videos: http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130511/NEWS/130511011/Swedish-royalty-spend-day-in-Wilmington-to-celebrate-375th-Jubilee http://www.digtriad.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2375132162001

The King and Queen of Sweden were in Delaware this weekend to celebrate the 375th anniversary of the settlement of New Sweden.  Article and videos:   http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130511/NEWS/130511011/Swedish-royalty-spend-day-in-Wilmington-to-celebrate-375th-Jubilee http://www.digtriad.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2375132162001

Dear Listers, Is anyone researching the family of John Emans of Gravesend? He was married to Sarah Antonise Van Salle. Some secondary sources list John as having both a brother and a son named Abraham but these two Abrahams often appear to be confused and/or conflated. The confusion seems to go back to 1881 and Bergen's Register in which he makes both John and Abraham the sons of Andries Iman who appears on a ship's list in 1661, arriving at New Amsterdam. Bergen gives no references or documentation for this assignment. There are two sources which seem to support Bergen's claim of an earlier Abraham. One is in Styles (History of Kings Co, 1884, 1:170) and Stockwell (History of Gravesend, 1884, p. 15). However, closer examination proves that these are the same single source. Not just that they both make use of the same passage. Further examination of the sources reveal that not only are the passages the same, the pages are identical: identical type, page layout, page content. Closer study shows that the paper which was used by Styles is his History of Kings Co was written by Stockwell. Thus it develops that there really is only source, published in two different volumes. The passage is dated 25 March 1678 and concerns a Gravesend town meeting in which an Abraham Emans makes a request concerning the placement of a new highway. Obviously this passage could not be a reference to a son of John Emans and Sarah Antonise as that son is estimated to have been born in 1670. Recently in my work with the Gravesend records, I came across the exact same passage. Gravesend Records. Town Records-No. 1 (Copies) 1666-. Transcription by John L. Voorhies. New York Municipal Archives Microfilm Roll No. 62, Item 3010, p. 516: March 25, 1698. It was proposed in a legal meeting, & in presence of Justice Nicholas Stillwell, unto ye inhabitants and freeholders of our town by Abraham Emans, wether ye sd Abraham might engage & take unto his lott the General highway going down to the mill. And he ye sd Abraham allowing to the town a sufficient highway at the east side of his lott and more convenient to the town which was consented unto by the pluralitie of ye freeholders. (Text from Copies 1. Original is at Book 3, p. 88 and is almost unreadable.) Abraham Emans suggested changes in a highway on or near his land at a town meeting in Gravesend in 1698, not 1678. This is what is important...make this correction and there is now no evidence of an earlier Abraham Emans who may have been the son of the mysterious fellow called "Andries Imans". It is just speculation to think that this is the source of the idea, because Bergen had published the wrong information in 1881, but the Styles and Stockwell passages certainly would have given credibility to the idea for later researchers. That credibility is now removed and it can be said that there is no evidence for an earlier Abraham Emans and thus no supposed brother for John Emans. There is only the son of John Emans and his wife, Sarah Antonise. I hope this will help some of you straighten out possible problems with your databases. Renee L. Dauven Renee L. Dauven

When Neeltje Schermerhorn's (b. 1781) daughter Claara was b. in Schenectady in 1798, the baby's father was "named as Harmannus Van Slyke," and printed upside down. I was told by Lorine, who found this record for me in the Schenectady DRC, that being upside down indicated the child's illegitimacy. The father wasn't present, and the godparents were a sister and brother-in-law of the mother. I'd originally found this child in Neeltje's New Testament (which I own) listing of her children, without any surname, but with a birthdate. Since it was 5 years before her marriage date, I thought perhaps she was widowed, and asked the list for help locating the father. Lorine located Claara, as well as the probable father among the numerous men of that name in Schenectady at the time. The child seemed to have been named after his mother, following the naming conventions. However, by the time the child was baptized, he'd already married someone else. I don't know if a German Reform Church would have used a different form. Doris On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:33 PM, juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> wrote: > Not long ago, I asked how "illegitimate" children were named in 1800 > Hudson Valley. I was particularly interested in Catharina Frantz's son, > David. When he was baptized at the German Reformed Church, Montgomery, no > father stood up with him; the sponsors were his grandparents, Johann Frantz > and Catharina Senebach. > > > * 18 Jan 1808: > Catharina's "David" is born, recorded in the German Reformed Church, > Montgomery, New York (Hasbrouck transcription). > > > * 23 Jun 1810: > Catharina Frantz marries "Rev John Pulvereck" at the RDC/Shawangunk > (Hasbrouck transcription). John is found on two unreferenced Ancestry trees > as "John Pulfrey" and for some reason, her son is on those trees is given > as "David Crawford Pulfrey". > > > * 05 Nov 1811: > In his will, Johann leaves money to grandson "David Crawford". He lists > several other grandchildren by their full names, so there's no reason to > believe that this isn't David's full name (from the liber copy). > > > * 22 Jan 1862: > This "David Crawford" died and is buried in Sullivan County, New York, not > far from Montgomery or Shawangunk. He was aged 54 years 12 days, which > calculates out to be a birth date of 10 Jan 1808, within days of > Catharina's son David's birth. > > > This would be fairly straight forward except for this record found in the > Hasbrouck transcription of the German Reformed Church, Montgomery: > > * 10 Sept 1808: > A record of "David Crawford's" baptism, listing a supposed birth date. The > parents are given as James W Crawford & Jane Barkly. No other kids are > baptised for this couple at this church, but a James W Crawford is recorded > as dying on 10 Feb 1844. > > > I am out on a limb here, but I was wondering if MAYBE these baptism > records are for the same child? Could this be a way for the birth father to > "adopt" his "illegitimate" son? > > Thank you for your observations, Julia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you very much, Renee. I found William Williamsen Probably son of Mary ? and 1st husband, Willem Gerritsen. Found Mary Remmersen, m. 2nd, Gerrit Remmersen, after death of 1st husband. And there is probably more. Richard Williamson Tucson, AZ In a message dated 5/6/2013 7:26:19 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, promine@web-ster.com writes: http://notmyfamily.pbworks.com/w/page/40982114/FrontPage

Dear list, Recently I was researching the family of Rip Frericx, an Amsterdam wood merchant, who married in 1616 to Tryntje Claes. They had seven daughters and one son. I found marriages in Amsterdam for four daughters, but I could not find anything about their son Claes. Looking at the marriage records of the four daughters, I noticed that all daughters were accompanied by their father, but at the marriage of one of them, Aefje Rippen, he called himself Rip Frericx van Dam. In my database I already had a Rip van Dam, who was the baptism witness in 1720 for Anna Bayard, daughter of Samuel Bayard and Margaretha van Cortlandt in the DRC in New York. This Rip van Dam, governor of New York, was, according to Pearson, the son of Claes Rips van Dam and Maria Bords. Although I can not prove it, I'm pretty sure that this Claes Rips van Dam is the 'missing' son of the above Rip Frericx and Tryntje Claes. If this family of Rip Frericx is of interest to anyone, please let me know, then I can publish what I have. And any proof for this possible connection would of course be wonderful. Regards, Cor Snabel The Netherlands

Not long ago, I asked how "illegitimate" children were named in 1800 Hudson Valley. I was particularly interested in Catharina Frantz's son, David. When he was baptized at the German Reformed Church, Montgomery, no father stood up with him; the sponsors were his grandparents, Johann Frantz and Catharina Senebach. * 18 Jan 1808: Catharina's "David" is born, recorded in the German Reformed Church, Montgomery, New York (Hasbrouck transcription). * 23 Jun 1810: Catharina Frantz marries "Rev John Pulvereck" at the RDC/Shawangunk (Hasbrouck transcription). John is found on two unreferenced Ancestry trees as "John Pulfrey" and for some reason, her son is on those trees is given as "David Crawford Pulfrey". * 05 Nov 1811: In his will, Johann leaves money to grandson "David Crawford". He lists several other grandchildren by their full names, so there's no reason to believe that this isn't David's full name (from the liber copy). * 22 Jan 1862: This "David Crawford" died and is buried in Sullivan County, New York, not far from Montgomery or Shawangunk. He was aged 54 years 12 days, which calculates out to be a birth date of 10 Jan 1808, within days of Catharina's son David's birth. This would be fairly straight forward except for this record found in the Hasbrouck transcription of the German Reformed Church, Montgomery: * 10 Sept 1808: A record of "David Crawford's" baptism, listing a supposed birth date. The parents are given as James W Crawford & Jane Barkly. No other kids are baptised for this couple at this church, but a James W Crawford is recorded as dying on 10 Feb 1844. I am out on a limb here, but I was wondering if MAYBE these baptism records are for the same child? Could this be a way for the birth father to "adopt" his "illegitimate" son? Thank you for your observations, Julia

Hi Listers, Since I have no names in my direct tree that seem to have passed any amount of time in Boswyck, I did not spend a lot of time perusing those records. I did, however, spot one list, from 1701 which caught my eye and I could not resist, probably because of the mention of "heavy piece of eight". It was something different than the usual pounds sterling or guilders. The URL is: http://notmyfamily.pbworks.com/w/page/40982114/FrontPage Renee L. Dauven PS...Ok, I admit it: it made me think of the theme song to Walt Disney's Hardy Boys series, "The Applegate Treasure", as first heard on the Mickey Mouse Club. So much for the careful, thoughtful and scholarly selection of material!

Dear Carol, I do not understand what link you could not open the links. . I will resend. I live in IA-do you live in the Midwest, too? I looked through my NJ file and found some things you maybe interested in. There was a John Chambers buried in the Lower Walpack cemetery who died 1776. This from the Corp of Engineers lists. It states he was reentered in the S.A.R.cemetery. I do not know what that is. I have some tax list but I don't know where I got them. John Chambers is on the Walpack Twp.1773 list as are Benjamin and Joseph Chambers. Abraham Chambers is on the Montague Twp September 1774 list. Do you have access to a Mormon family history library? I wrote to Co of Sussex, Surrogate's Office, Hall of Records Bldg., 4 Park Place, Newton NJ 07860 and asked where to look for genealogical research. Sincerely, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol" <vakack@comcast.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 8, Issue 79 > > I could not access this web site from the Rootsweb site. > >

I have some information on Dirck Jansen Ammerman: Might or might not help. born 1645/1650 Flatbush, New York died 1723 New York married 1668 to Aelie Paulus Van Der Beeck she was born May 30, 1649, Flatlands, NY; died bet May 30 1709 and 1710 Flatlands. Parents were Paulus Van der Beeck and Maria Badie. Had 11 children of whom the eldest was Maritje Dirckse Ammerman who married Cornelis Simonez Van Aersdale other children: Paulus Derckse; Aliena; John; Albert; Isaac; Jacobus; Catharine; Anke; Gracrach; Alkie He settled in Flatlands, about three miles beyond Flatbush, Kings, Long Island, NY. Descendants claim that his home was built with loopholes in the walls for the purpose of firing guns outward. He was supposedly an interpreter in transactions with the Indians and piloted the first ferry across the Hudson River from Manhattan to Long Island (Nassau). This is from an online data base, so I have no authentic source for this information. The Dirck Janszen Van Sutphen in my family was born 1645 in Zutphen, Geiderland, Holland or Tongerie, Netherlands died Oct 29 1707, New Utrecht, Kings, NY. married 1680 to Elizabeth Jacobs (Janse) Van Nuys, b 1647, NY. d March 1699, NY.

Renee & All: With respect to #2, any additions or corrections to the following will be greatly appreciated! http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~streeter/vanvliet.pdf Perry Perry Streeter (perry@streeter.com) www.perry.streeter.com -----Original Message----- From: Renee L. Dauven [mailto:promine@web-ster.com] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:51 PM To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Sort Dirck Janszens in Flatbush/Flatlands c. 1670 Hi folks, Dirck Janszen Amerman has not previously been an object of my attention. I have just 8 more days left with some rolls of Flatbush records and have decided to track the above named Dirck but have discovered that there were other fellows named Dirck Janszen in Flatbush and Flatlands area in the time period from roughly 1650 to 1700. I am hoping that some of you may be able to help me finish off this list of the various Dircks that I should be looking at. 1.) Dirck Janszen Amerman 2.) Dirck Janszen Van der Vliedt (Kuyper?) 3.) Dirck Janszen Weartman or Woertman 4.) Dirck Janszen Van Sutphen Have I missed anyone? Thanks for any help you may be able to give. Renee L. Dauven

Renee, Very interested in documentation for Dirk Jansen Ammerman, an 8th GGF. Also, if you happen to come across Jan Snedeker (Snediger) who died in 1679, was one of the founding Elders of the DRC of Midwout - Flatbush. (10th GGF) Evan Rofheart SKYPE : *evananda2*

Side request, Renee - if you happen to see any stray references to the Simson family members, I'd greatly appreciate hearing about them. Thanks / Tom -----Original Message----- From: Renee L. Dauven Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:50 PM To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Sort Dirck Janszens in Flatbush/Flatlands c. 1670 Hi folks, Dirck Janszen Amerman has not previously been an object of my attention. I have just 8 more days left with some rolls of Flatbush records and have decided to track the above named Dirck but have discovered that there were other fellows named Dirck Janszen in Flatbush and Flatlands area in the time period from roughly 1650 to 1700. I am hoping that some of you may be able to help me finish off this list of the various Dircks that I should be looking at. 1.) Dirck Janszen Amerman 2.) Dirck Janszen Van der Vliedt (Kuyper?) 3.) Dirck Janszen Weartman or Woertman 4.) Dirck Janszen Van Sutphen Have I missed anyone? Thanks for any help you may be able to give. Renee L. Dauven ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Renee, One other:Dirck Jansen Hoogland, husband of Annetje Bergen, m 8 Oct 1662 at the DRC of Brooklyn. Lived in Flatbush. Probably too late, and probably lived only a short time in New Utrecht:Dirck Jansen, bap 20 May 1676, s/o Jan Andriessen and Grietje Jans Doren, married Aertje Smock about 1700. Mike > Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:50:34 -0700 > From: promine@web-ster.com > To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Sort Dirck Janszens in Flatbush/Flatlands c. 1670 > > Hi folks, > > Dirck Janszen Amerman has not previously been an object of my > attention. I have just 8 more days left with some rolls of Flatbush > records and have decided to track the above named Dirck but have > discovered that there were other fellows named Dirck Janszen in Flatbush > and Flatlands area in the time period from roughly 1650 to 1700. I am > hoping that some of you may be able to help me finish off this list of > the various Dircks that I should be looking at. > > 1.) Dirck Janszen Amerman > 2.) Dirck Janszen Van der Vliedt (Kuyper?) > 3.) Dirck Janszen Weartman or Woertman > 4.) Dirck Janszen Van Sutphen > > Have I missed anyone? Thanks for any help you may be able to give. > > Renee L. Dauven > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, Dirck Janszen Amerman has not previously been an object of my attention. I have just 8 more days left with some rolls of Flatbush records and have decided to track the above named Dirck but have discovered that there were other fellows named Dirck Janszen in Flatbush and Flatlands area in the time period from roughly 1650 to 1700. I am hoping that some of you may be able to help me finish off this list of the various Dircks that I should be looking at. 1.) Dirck Janszen Amerman 2.) Dirck Janszen Van der Vliedt (Kuyper?) 3.) Dirck Janszen Weartman or Woertman 4.) Dirck Janszen Van Sutphen Have I missed anyone? Thanks for any help you may be able to give. Renee L. Dauven

I could not access this web site from the Rootsweb site. ----- Original Message ----- From: dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 3:01:24 AM Subject: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 8, Issue 79 Today's Topics:    1. graves (Linda M. Hopp) To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text.

Hi Carol, DUTCH-COLONIES is not a website, its a mailing list. If you are looking for a link to the archives of the mailing list, this is it: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/Dutch-Colonies/ Evan Rofheart On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Carol <vakack@comcast.net> wrote: > > I could not access this web site from the Rootsweb site. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 3:01:24 AM > Subject: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 8, Issue 79 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. graves (Linda M. Hopp) > > To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lower Walpack Cemetery Sussex Co. NJ. The Corp of Engineers did a survey of cemeteries in the Water Gap area in preparation for the development of purposed Tooks Island Lake which never was done. The corp bought up a lot of land but some held out including Mrs, Rosencrans who owns the farm that contains the above grave yard. Her family has kept the graveyard intact. It is referred to as the "Brink Cemetery". Cousins Nickolas Schoonhoven and Thomas Brink (my ancestors) deeded 4 acres to the RDC for church and grave yard. The deed was signed 1-Feb-1737. The corp did the survey to try to contact family members to seek permissions to move the graves prior to flooding the area. A list of the graves can be found at Rootsweb, Minisink Valley. It does not include the only field stone which lies just outside the main part. There are 2 narrow stones, one with "HSH" (the S is backward) and the other stone appears to be more professionally done with the name Henry Schoonhoven, died Au 16 1771, age 71.