Hi Pam, Thank you for correcting my miscorrected correction. I must have had more than one keyboard malfunction, if it misbehaved yesterday and today! Probably I need a new keyboard ;-D. Liz On 5 June 2013 13:59, Pamela J. Sears <pjsears904@gmail.com> wrote: > Liz et al, > > I'm correcting your correction to your original :-). > > You wrote originally: > > >>>Also see a message by Pam Sears to the > Dutch-Colonies list in 2003, here: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-07/105Maria1717 > Constantia 1720 Jacob 1722 Johannes 17268282364. > > You recently corrected that to: > > >>>In my message of yesterday, I had a copy-paste error, which messed up > the > URL to the 2003 message by Pam S that discussed part of the van Rhoon / van > Roome family. That message was in response to a previous message concerning > the Jacob Koning family. Pam's message can be found here, to which several > other messages are linked: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-07/10517268282364 > . > The correct URL should be: > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-07/1058282364 > > I hope this goes through accurately/correctly. > > Regards, > Pam Sears > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Liz et al, I'm correcting your correction to your original :-). You wrote originally: >>>Also see a message by Pam Sears to the Dutch-Colonies list in 2003, here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-07/105Maria1717 Constantia 1720 Jacob 1722 Johannes 17268282364. You recently corrected that to: >>>In my message of yesterday, I had a copy-paste error, which messed up the URL to the 2003 message by Pam S that discussed part of the van Rhoon / van Roome family. That message was in response to a previous message concerning the Jacob Koning family. Pam's message can be found here, to which several other messages are linked: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-07/10517268282364 . The correct URL should be: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-07/1058282364 I hope this goes through accurately/correctly. Regards, Pam Sears

In my message of yesterday, I had a copy-paste error, which messed up the URL to the 2003 message by Pam S that discussed part of the van Rhoon / van Roome family. That message was in response to a previous message concerning the Jacob Koning family. Pam's message can be found here, to which several other messages are linked: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-07/10517268282364 . Further support for my hypothesis of yesterday can be found in the _Woordenboek van Voornamen_ by Dr. J van der Schaar (1992, Prisma), which I have here. For the name Isaiah or Isaias, the index refers to the name 'Jesaja' which would sound like Ye-ZAY-ah. Under Jesaja, the author writes that this is an Old Testament name meaning 'blessing of Jahweh', and he found the name in the following forms: Esaia, Esaias, Isaias, Jesaia, Jezajas, Jesaias, and (English version) Isaiah. So it appears that Dr van der Schaar, whose lifelong work was the study of names and their origins and use in the Netherlands, found these names to be equivalent. Now I am very confident that the Isaiah van Room who died intestate in 1748 was the same as the child Josias who was baptized in 1686 in Bergen, NJ This would be important to families descending from Matthias Swaim and Sarah van Roome, and from those who descend from Nathaniel Robbins (of Benjamin) and his wife Ruth van Roome. Both of these women were daughters of Isaiah van Roome (son of Reynier Josiasz van Rhoon and Constantia vander Swalme). The Swaim family lived in Middlesex county, NJ, while the Robbins family was located in (then) Nottingham Township, Burlington County, NJ which is now Hamilton, Mercer County. Online, those who seem to know of this van Rhoon / van Roome family are tending to agree that Isaiah van Roome (some with correct parents) was born in 'Holland'. Some know the family was from Sluys before they emigrated. Descendants of of Reynier Josiasz van Rhoon and Constantia vander Swalme may appreciate the strongly supported hypothesis that Josias van Roen who was baptized in NJ did not die young, but was later known as Isaiah van Roome. I don't know enough about the Swaim family to suggest other surnames of Sarah van Roome's descendants, but other researchers who may be interested would be a branch of the Rulon family (Henry, of David, of Pierre) descending from Ruth van Roome, as well as a branch of the NJ Bordens, and a line of Stewarts, also descending from Ruth. Thanks again for everyone's help. Liz J On 4 June 2013 23:34, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> wrote: > Isaias van Roome is almost certainly the same person as the child Josias > van Rhoon who was baptized in Bergen NJ in 1686 >

Liz, I am sending this offline as it is not very helpful, but just in case you do. I know of one other case of a confusion between the names Isaiah and Josiah: Isaiah/Josiah Claesen. These are the records I have for him: 19 Oct 1703; [Parents names not inserted]-Marytie, Lisabet, Maria, Cornelis, Benjamin, Willem, Jan. Witnesses: Cornelis Powels and wife. Ealry Church Records of Somerset Co., NJ, Colonial Roots, pg 30 29 May 1726; Claessen, Jesaias and Lysabeth - Jesaias. Ealry Church Records of Somerset Co., NJ, Colonial Roots,pg 50 4 Feb 1728; Claessen, Jesaias and Lisabeth; Maria; Joost Bennet. PNJHS vol 11, pg 211 [I don't know what relationship, if any, that Joost Bennet had with this couple] 2 Aug 1730; Clason, Isaiah and Elizabeth - Elizabeth. Ealry Church Records of Somerset Co., NJ, Colonial Roots, pg 104 Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Vol I, p 96. 1670-1730 1723-4 March 10. Clawson, Clauson, William, of Piscataway, Middlesex. Co., "yewoman;" will of. Wife Mary. Children -- Cornelius, Benjamin, Josias, William, John, Garrabrant, Joseph, Thomas and Mary Drake, Hannah, grandson William Clawson. Real and personal estate. The wife sole executrix with Hendrick Breese of Piscataway as assistant.Witnesses -- John Cholwell, AAre Borem, Leendert Funck (?). Proved 23 Apr 1724. Lib. A, p. 289, and Middlesex Wills. My understanding is that all the counties turned in their older probate records to the New Jersey Archives quite a while ago. There may still be some court related records at the county level. You can order probate records at: http://www.nj.gov/state/archives/referenceFees.html Mike > Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 23:34:22 -0400 > From: iris.gates@gmail.com > To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com; new-netherland@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Josias van Rhoon bp 1686 Bergen NJ mistaken as Isaiah van Roome d. int 1748 > > Isaias van Roome is almost certainly the same person as the child Josias > van Rhoon who was baptized in Bergen NJ in 1686:

Have you guys searched [1]HathiTrust.org for books containing reference to your ancestors... it's a great site! Do a "Full Text" search for some phrase like "Josias van Rhoon," etc. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Josias van Rhoon bp 1686 Bergen NJ mistaken as Isaiah van Roome d. int 1748 From: Michael Morrissey <[2]mikemorr@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, June 05, 2013 8:48 am To: "[3]dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com" <[4]dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Liz, I am sending this offline as it is not very helpful, but just in case you do. I know of one other case of a confusion between the names Isaiah and Josiah: Isaiah/Josiah Claesen. These are the records I have for him: 19 Oct 1703; [Parents names not inserted]-Marytie, Lisabet, Maria, Cornelis, Benjamin, Willem, Jan. Witnesses: Cornelis Powels and wife. Ealry Church Records of Somerset Co., NJ, Colonial Roots, pg 30 29 May 1726; Claessen, Jesaias and Lysabeth - Jesaias. Ealry Church Records of Somerset Co., NJ, Colonial Roots,pg 50 4 Feb 1728; Claessen, Jesaias and Lisabeth; Maria; Joost Bennet. PNJHS vol 11, pg 211 [I don't know what relationship, if any, that Joost Bennet had with this couple] 2 Aug 1730; Clason, Isaiah and Elizabeth - Elizabeth. Ealry Church Records of Somerset Co., NJ, Colonial Roots, pg 104 Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Vol I, p 96. 1670-1730 1723-4 March 10. Clawson, Clauson, William, of Piscataway, Middlesex. Co., "yewoman;" will of. Wife Mary. Children -- Cornelius, Benjamin, Josias, William, John, Garrabrant, Joseph, Thomas and Mary Drake, Hannah, grandson William Clawson. Real and personal estate. The wife sole executrix with Hendrick Breese of Piscataway as assistant.Witnesses -- John Cholwell, AAre Borem, Leendert Funck (?). Proved 23 Apr 1724. Lib. A, p. 289, and Middlesex Wills. My understanding is that all the counties turned in their older probate records to the New Jersey Archives quite a while ago. There may still be some court related records at the county level. You can order probate records at: [5]http://www.nj.gov/state/archives/referenceFees.html Mike > Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 23:34:22 -0400 > From: [6]iris.gates@gmail.com > To: [7]Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com; [8]new-netherland@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Josias van Rhoon bp 1686 Bergen NJ mistaken as Isaiah van Roome d. int 1748 > > Isaias van Roome is almost certainly the same person as the child Josias > van Rhoon who was baptized in Bergen NJ in 1686: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [9]DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://HathiTrust.org/ 2. mailto:mikemorr@hotmail.com 3. mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com 4. mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com 5. http://www.nj.gov/state/archives/referenceFees.html 6. mailto:iris.gates@gmail.com 7. mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com 8. mailto:new-netherland@rootsweb.com 9. mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com

Isaias van Roome is almost certainly the same person as the child Josias van Rhoon who was baptized in Bergen NJ in 1686: 6 Apr 1686 [Bergen DRC B# 159] "Reynier Josiassen van Roen, Constantina van de Swalme; Josias; Gerbrant Claese and his wife". This Josias subsequently seemed to disappear, while an 'Isaias van Roome' later did leave record in New Jersey. Isaias van Roome (supp. son of Reynier Josiasz van Rhoone and Constantia vander Swalme) died intestate in 1748, leaving a wife and several children in New Jersey who survived to marry and have families of their own. Names of several Van Roome descendants in the third generation after Reynier match with names of these probable grandparents. But Reynier Josiasz VR died barely four years after arriving in the colonies (imm. 1684; d. 1688 -- widow remarried), and Constantia vander Swalme had died by November 1704 (second husband remarried). Neither of these progenitors left much in the way of official records that can now be easily found. In online databases or articles, there is much confusion. Adding to the confusion is that some of the children of Renier and Constancia lived near Albany NY while others settled in northern New Jersey. There is almost no room in the marriage of Reynier Josiasz VR & Constancia VdS between their arrival from Sluys (Flanders but was probably Dutch territory then) in 1684 (need source for their immigration) to have had a son Isaiah between their year of immigration (1684) and the year Reynier died (probably late 1697-early 1688). Reynier Josiasz VR seems to have left very little record of himself in the colonies. Possibly they did not own land, but rented. The grandparents never appeared as baptismal witnesses for their grandchildren, since they both had died long before any of their children ever married. But since several (apparent) children of theirs named their own children either Reynier or Constan(cia), it's clear that these parents were Reynier VR's and Constancia VdS's own offspring. Then since Isaias van Roome (of Middlesex County, NJ) died intestate in 1748, leaving little known record of himself, it's very likely that his name in the admin (by widow) had been mistranscribed from the (correct) name Josias, his father's father's name. Naming the oldest son after the father's own father was customary in naming practices among the Dutch. There would have been no reason for Reynier Josiasz van Rhone to name a first son Isaiah, when his own father's name was Josias --whose baptism does exist. See records of the Dutch Reform church in Bergen, NJ #159, under date of 4 June 1686. Also see a message by Pam Sears to the Dutch-Colonies list in 2003, here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-07/105Maria1717 Constantia 1720 Jacob 1722 Johannes 17268282364. In the 1748 admin record of 'Isaias van Room' or 'van Rooms', if the capital I was mistaken for an existing J (these letters were similar in Dutch script as well as in English script), and if the final h in the name Josiah was mistranscribed as s (in Dutch the 'h' had a looping tail extending below the line, similar to the below-the-line English 's' as written in this era), and if Josiah/Isaiah the son left few or no records of his own in NJ, it is likely that "Isaias'" correct name was not well-known at all. See NJA 30:501, where the admin record of "Isaias" van Roome's estate by his widow should be found. A digital image of the original admin file (if it exists) should be sought and examined. Land records for Middlesex County NJ should also be sought. Complicating a search such as this would be the way the counties of NJ multiplied and evolved. Therefore records of several existing NJ counties should be searched for further records. But the 1748 admin file would be a critical piece to order, read and completely transcribe. I need a reasonable source for the alleged 1684 immigration date of Reynier Josiasz van Rhoon and his wife and family. There were at least two daughters, Mayke and Ariaantje Reiniers, who used various forms of their father's name or surname in baptism records. These two daughters were most likely born in Sluys before their parents decided to immigrate to the New York/northern NJ region. According to her marriage record, the daughter Ariaantje, last wife of Andries Douw, was from Sluys. Her surname was not correct in this record (even though she was not previously married), but records of her two children in New York Dutch Reform church confirm her patronym as will as her family surname. See NYDRC records: (marriage) 1708 29 Feb; Andries Douw, jm V. N. Albanie; Adriana Van der Graaf, jd V. Sluis in Vlaand baptisms: 1708 Dec 19; Andries Douwe, Ariaantje Reiniers; Catharina; Willem Appel, Catharina Dow wid 1710 Nov 05; Andries Douw, Ariaantje Van Rhoon; Reinier; Johannes Dou, Mayke Van Rhoon Mayke Van Rhoon married Jacob Koning, and had children Maria in 1717, Constantia in 1720 (named after her own mother), Jacob in 1722 and Johannes in 1726. Note that I have not seen the 1748 admin record of Isaias van Roome's intestate estate. This would appear in NJA 30:501. But unless thse pages are available as images of the original (not a clerk's copy or abstract or later transcript), then it may not help solve the Isaiah/Josias problem anyway. But this seems the most likely scenario to me. If I can figure out what county now holds the record or where to find this in Trenton NJ, I'll order a copy at some point. Meanwhile if anyone here has a digital image of the admin file already, please let me know if you can share it. Liz J

The city of Amsterdam in upstate New York was incorporated in 1830, which is certainly well after the English takeover of Nieuw Nederland. I have never understood how anybody could think that the principal Dutch community in colonial times would be located nearly 200 miles from the seacoast, but I have seen this other times. Peter -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of evan rofheart Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:38 AM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Need quick answers Magdalena Van Rensselaer and Mayeke Van Buren I see someone answered re the two ladies. There is a City and Town in Montgomery County, NY named Amsterdam - but not New Amsterdam. In New York State there is only one New or Nieuw Amsterdam, which as we know was eventually renamed New York. You are right, there is often a lot of confusion with the old Dutch place names, as there is with individuals names. Evan On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 8:20 AM, W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > only if it is spelled Nieuw Amsterdam. > > Many confuse New Amsterdam with one that is in Montgomery Co which was > founded AFTER English takeover of New Nederland colony. > > I am more interested in correct information for these two ladies. > > David > > On 5/28/2013 8:21 PM, evan rofheart wrote: > > New Amsterdam will always be New York City. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Seeking a handwriting sample of Johannes LA MONTAGNE who was first counsellor under Governor William Kieft and vice-director at Fort Orange under Peter Stuyvesant. I'm trying to prove LA MONTAGNE's authorship of an important document relevant to New Amsterdam (New York City). Thanks for any suggestions!

I see someone answered re the two ladies. There is a City and Town in Montgomery County, NY named Amsterdam - but not New Amsterdam. In New York State there is only one New or Nieuw Amsterdam, which as we know was eventually renamed New York. You are right, there is often a lot of confusion with the old Dutch place names, as there is with individuals names. Evan On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 8:20 AM, W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > only if it is spelled Nieuw Amsterdam. > > Many confuse New Amsterdam with one that is in Montgomery Co which was > founded AFTER English takeover of New Nederland colony. > > I am more interested in correct information for these two ladies. > > David > > On 5/28/2013 8:21 PM, evan rofheart wrote: > > New Amsterdam will always be New York City. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi W David Samuelsen, The person who was baptized on 13 Feb 1785 was Maakye, daughter of Nicholas Rensselaer and Elsje Van Buren. She was born on 10 Feb 1785. There were 8 people baptized on 13 Feb 1785. There was no Magdalena Van Rensselaer baptized on that date. Cornelis, son of John and Maria Ackerson was baptized on 30 May 1728. There is also a Cornelis Van Buren who was baptized on 7 Mar 1736. His parents were Willem Van Buren and Teuntje Van den Bergh. None of the 4 baptisms on 14 Mar 1731 was for anyone named Cornelis. This information is all from Records of the Reformed Dutch Church of Albany, NY. Richard Today's Topics: 1. Need quick answers Magdalena Van Rensselaer and Mayeke Van Buren (W David Samuelsen) 2. Who is real Cornelius Van Buren? (W David Samuelsen) 3. Re: Need quick answers Magdalena Van Rensselaer and Mayeke Van Buren (evan rofheart) To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text.

only if it is spelled Nieuw Amsterdam. Many confuse New Amsterdam with one that is in Montgomery Co which was founded AFTER English takeover of New Nederland colony. I am more interested in correct information for these two ladies. David On 5/28/2013 8:21 PM, evan rofheart wrote: > New Amsterdam will always be New York City.

New Amsterdam will always be New York City. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:55 PM, W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > Came across one record, obvious a mis-merge > > What are christening dates and places for > > Magdalena Van Rensselaer > > Mayeke Van Buren > > Both has claims to 10/13 Feb 1785 > > places: > First Dutch Reformed, Albany > New Amsterdam, Albany (huh?) > Schenectady > > W. David Samuelsen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://www.newyorkgravestones.org/view.php?id=64332 shows Cornelius Van Buren, born 1736, died 4 Feb 1822 age 86 yrs conflicted with many records claims christening 30 May 1728 Albany, died 23 Dec 1758 christening 14 Mar 1731, Albany Co, died 1825 wife Mayeke Van Buren http://www.newyorkgravestones.org/view.php?id=64337 match many records They are buried in Van Rensselaer Family Cemetery in East Greenbush and with their daughter Elsje Van Buren who was wife of Col. Nicholaas Van Rensselaer (1754-1848) Please clear up on Cornelius Van Buren/Barent Cornelius Van Buren. W. David Samuelsen

Came across one record, obvious a mis-merge What are christening dates and places for Magdalena Van Rensselaer Mayeke Van Buren Both has claims to 10/13 Feb 1785 places: First Dutch Reformed, Albany New Amsterdam, Albany (huh?) Schenectady W. David Samuelsen

Jason, Here are some of my notes, plus the URL for one of my articles where you can find more. "22nd of August 1679: Bill of Sale: Ruthgert Albertsz to Catharina Cronenborgh. (Liber AA:99,101,103.) Desc.: A house, yard and orchard as it was in use by he seller for 3000g. in 3 installments; 1st at Christmas 1680, 1681 and 1682 at 1000g. each. Surrender 1st of May 1680. Appended: On the 3rd of May 1682 Ruth Albertsz has received 1400g. Further received 24th of July 168[] 500g. On the 17th of January 1685 Rutger Albertse received from Jan Teuninsz 5000g. This came from Flatbush records, but it looks like I don't have a good reference for this. Maybe Renee has it; I don't remember if we have ever discussed this or not. Comments: Catharina Cronenborgh wife of Jan Theunisz assisted by Amstelhoup Jansz, bachelor and Rithset Panter." ["The Flatbush Lots" by Jeff Snedeker in New Netherland Connections, Volume 10:113]. Amstels Hoop (Jansen), as a 3-year-old orphan had been "adopted" by Tryntje Croonenburg. For his story, plus more about Tryntje Croonenburg, see my article here: http://17thcenturyhollanders.pbworks.com/w/page/742576/Nieuw-Amstels%20Hoop%2C%20the%20Orphan Amstels Hoop (Jansen) had maintained a connection with Tryntje Croonenburg and Jan Teunissen, into his adulthood. The "assistance" that he and Richard Painter gave to Tryntje was probably as guarantors (as security or bondsmen) for her purchase of the property from Rutgert Alberts. Here is more about Tryntje Croonenburg in New Amstel: The New Amstel records: Jan Teunissen and Tryntje Croonenberg were in New Amstel in 1659. They were in trouble with the court at New Amstel in late November, 1659, after making arrangements for an unauthorized departure from there. "Tryntien Croonenburg, wife of Jan Theunissen, being summoned and asking for her husband, who had broken out of jail at night, and how was she to have gone away with Karreman, and on what conditions, she hath declared..." They and some others had arranged with Michiel Karreman to leave for Manhattan aboard his sloop. [PA Arch 2, Volume: V "Papers Relating to the Colonies on the Delaware, 1614-1682", pp. 382-384] These persons were not free to leave New Amstel because they had not yet finished their contracts and/or they owed money to the city of Amsterdam for passage or for food and supplies disbursed in New Amstel. Jan Theunissen, a carpenter, had probably made a contract with Jacob Alrichs to work for a term at New Amstel. Alrichs notes in his first report from New Amstel that although carpenters are sorely needed, "not one carpenter has been sent out among us"; also that "diverse other families" (besides the ones who arrived aboard the "Prins Maurits," "de Beer" and "de Gelderse Blom") have applied to move to the colony. [Alrichs letter of 7 May 1657 to the Burgomasters of Amsterdam in PA Arch. 2, Vol. VII, p 295] But in November 1659, Jan Theunissen had been briefly imprisoned at New Amstel for attempting to leave, but escaped, and apparently he and Tryntje did go to Maryland shortly after 20 November 1659, remaining until April 1660, when his return was reported by Beeckman: "On the 16th inst. Sergeant Andries Lourens returned from Maryland, he has met only a few fugitives, who were still free; upon showing your Noble Worship's pass, he brought away only one Jan Tomissen [sic] with his wife and child, whose property came back in Karman's yacht and fell into the hands of Mr. D'Hinojossa, who had it valued and would not surrender it... The said carpenter Jan Tomissen will not go to the Manhattans without his tools and property, but would rather go back to the English, as he has had there the use of the tools of one Jan Barentsen, who was killed by the savages and whose wife died at Colonel Utie's or at my friend Jacop's. Their child was also brought hither by the Sergeant, on which account I wrote at the request of the sister of Jan Barens, the wife of a soldier here, expressly to Jacob Claesen (alias my friend). This child has yet due him there 821 pounds of tobacco and 200 lbs by the said Jan Tomissen; some trifles brought along by the Sergeant were entered upon the list and provisionally delivered together with the child to our soldier's wife. Jacob Claesen took over to Holland besides these, according to the letter of his partner, Frank Wryght, two silver key-chains and two or three silver knife-handles belonging to the child. This child was born at the departure of Mr. Alrichs in the ship Prins Maurits and was at the request of the Lords Burgomasters christened Amsteloop. [sic] Your honor will please issue an order, whether it is to be turned over to the Orphan-Masters at N. Amstel or elsewhere." [PA Arch. 2, Vol. VII "Papers Relating to the Dutch and Swedish Settlements on the Delaware River" pp. 633-4] [Nore EJ: The name, Jan TOMISSEN is most likely a transcriber error. This was Jan THEUNISSEN who appears in New Amstel court records of November 1659. Beeckman's, or the transcriber's interpretation of the name "Amsteloop" is also incorrect]. I have further notes on Tryntje and Jan, but these are too long for a message to the list here. Also, these various persons have been discussed on this list several times before. Check advanced search here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1. Input Dutch-Colonies under the list, then start inputting names & checking results. Remember to vary the spelling of these names, since they do tend to vary in the different records. Hope this helps. If you have further questions, I'll try to answer whatever I can. Liz J On 26 May 2013 15:28, James Harder <jaharder88@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hi Jason, > > Nash cites a 1679 deed at Flatbush from Ruthgert Albertsz to "the worthy Catharina Cronenborgh, wife of Jan Theunisz" as the primary document source of the name Cronenberg. She also mentions that "Tryntien Croonenberg, wife of Jan Theunissen" was interrogated at New Amstel on 22 November 1659 (O'Callaghan DRCHSNY 2:103-4). She provides some context to these records, but notes "there were two contemporary Catharina Cronenbergs in New York and several Jan Teunissens (at least three married to a Catharina)". > > Jim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jason Gervase <gervasius@gmail.com> > To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:35 AM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Catharina CRONENBERG > > > Does anyone have the complete article by Carolyn Nash titled "Magdalena > Hendricks, Wife of Cornelis Vonk/Vonck, and Her Mother, Catharina > Cronenberg, Wife of Jan Teunissen Dam" that was published in the The New > York Genealogical and Biographical Record last year? > > Catharina Cronenberg is my direct maternal ancestor so I'm curious about > the sources for her newly discovered surname. > > Thank you, > > Jason N. 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Hi Jason, Nash cites a 1679 deed at Flatbush from Ruthgert Albertsz to "the worthy Catharina Cronenborgh, wife of Jan Theunisz" as the primary document source of the name Cronenberg. She also mentions that "Tryntien Croonenberg, wife of Jan Theunissen" was interrogated at New Amstel on 22 November 1659 (O'Callaghan DRCHSNY 2:103-4).  She provides some context to these records, but notes "there were two contemporary Catharina Cronenbergs in New York and several Jan Teunissens (at least three married to a Catharina)". Jim ________________________________ From: Jason Gervase <gervasius@gmail.com> To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:35 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Catharina CRONENBERG Does anyone have the complete article by Carolyn Nash titled "Magdalena Hendricks, Wife of Cornelis Vonk/Vonck, and Her Mother, Catharina Cronenberg, Wife of Jan Teunissen Dam" that was published in the The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record last year? Catharina Cronenberg is my direct maternal ancestor so I'm curious about the sources for her newly discovered surname. Thank you, Jason N. Gervase gervasius@gmail.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have the complete article by Carolyn Nash titled "Magdalena Hendricks, Wife of Cornelis Vonk/Vonck, and Her Mother, Catharina Cronenberg, Wife of Jan Teunissen Dam" that was published in the The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record last year? Catharina Cronenberg is my direct maternal ancestor so I'm curious about the sources for her newly discovered surname. Thank you, Jason N. Gervase gervasius@gmail.com

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Russell Shorto, The Island at the Center of the World (Random House, 2004), p. 279, identifies the Finns as the originators of the American log cabin. Pat Gilmartin On May 21, 2013, at 3:01 AM, dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 8, Issue 88 (bomendal) > 2. Re: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 8, Issue 88 > (jacassidy22@verizon.net) > > > > From: "bomendal" <bomendal@bellsouth.net> > Date: May 20, 2013 4:16:30 PM EDT > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 8, Issue 88 > Reply-To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > > > I recall reading (but do not recall the source) that it was actually the Finns, the most numerous settlers in the Swedish colony, who specialized in building log cabins, which were (and perhaps still are) a common type of structure in Finland, which was, In think, under Swedish control during the time fame in question. Even today, I have read, if you want a well build log cabin, hire a Finn to built it. Having said that, I suppose that the Swedes also built log cabins, but who actually built the first one in New Sweden is not clear to me. > > David Smock > =============== > ----- Original Message ----- From: <dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:01 AM > Subject: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 8, Issue 88 > > >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: New Sweden anniversary (juliasgenes) >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. > > > > > > > > > > From: jacassidy22@verizon.net > Date: May 20, 2013 4:59:38 PM EDT > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 8, Issue 88 > Reply-To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > > > > Historians believe that the first log cabins built in America were in the > Swedish colony ofNya Sverige (New [1]Sweden) on the Delaware River in > 1638, The majority of its colonists were actually Forest Finns, because > Finland was part of Sweden at that time. The Swedish Colony only lasted a > couple of decades before it was absorbed by the Dutch Colony of New > Amsterdam, which was soon absorbed by the English. Most of the descendants > of the Swedish-Finnish colony are believed to have stayed in America. They > were considered intelligent and industrious; therefore, ideal citizens of > the new colonies of Delaware and Pennsylvania. > > Taken from an article called the Origin of Log Cabins in North America > > > > > On 05/20/13, bomendal<bomendal@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > I recall reading (but do not recall the source) that it was actually the > Finns, the most numerous settlers in the Swedish colony, who specialized in > building log cabins, which were (and perhaps still are) a common type of > structure in Finland, which was, In think, under Swedish control during the > time fame in question. Even today, I have read, if you want a well build > log cabin, hire a Finn to built it. Having said that, I suppose that the > Swedes also built log cabins, but who actually built the first one in New > Sweden is not clear to me. > David Smock > =============== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <du[2]tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <[3]dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:01 AM > Subject: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 8, Issue 88 >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: New Sweden anniversary (juliasgenes) >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DU[4]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DU[5]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > References > > 1. http://www.examiner.com/topic/sweden > 2. mailto:tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com > 3. mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > 4. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > 5. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text.

Historians believe that the first log cabins built in America were in the Swedish colony ofNya Sverige (New [1]Sweden) on the Delaware River in 1638, The majority of its colonists were actually Forest Finns, because Finland was part of Sweden at that time. The Swedish Colony only lasted a couple of decades before it was absorbed by the Dutch Colony of New Amsterdam, which was soon absorbed by the English. Most of the descendants of the Swedish-Finnish colony are believed to have stayed in America. They were considered intelligent and industrious; therefore, ideal citizens of the new colonies of Delaware and Pennsylvania. Taken from an article called the Origin of Log Cabins in North America On 05/20/13, bomendal<bomendal@bellsouth.net> wrote: I recall reading (but do not recall the source) that it was actually the Finns, the most numerous settlers in the Swedish colony, who specialized in building log cabins, which were (and perhaps still are) a common type of structure in Finland, which was, In think, under Swedish control during the time fame in question. Even today, I have read, if you want a well build log cabin, hire a Finn to built it. Having said that, I suppose that the Swedes also built log cabins, but who actually built the first one in New Sweden is not clear to me. David Smock =============== ----- Original Message ----- From: <du[2]tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com> To: <[3]dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:01 AM Subject: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 8, Issue 88 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: New Sweden anniversary (juliasgenes) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DU[4]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[5]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.examiner.com/topic/sweden 2. mailto:tch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com 4. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com 5. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com