Okay! Very glad it was useful. Liz On 8 August 2013 20:46, Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> wrote: > Liz:**** > > ** ** > > Thank you so much for your insights and for also sharing “Grandma” > Rebecca’s baptismal record!**** > > ** ** > > Perry**** > > ** ** > > *From:* E Johnson [mailto:iris.gates@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:14 AM > *To:* perry@streeter.com; dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > *Subject:* Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] 1627 marriage record in Amsterdam, of > Frederick Lubbertsz**** > > ** ** > > I read this as 'of Amsterdam', but not necessarily born there. > > But this is an unusual record. Of all the marriage records of Amsterdam > that I have seen --several hundred from the late 16th and early 17th > centuries --I have never seen any other in which one of the parties > produced or was required to produce a document of consent from the schepens > and burgomeesters. I would like an answer to the question of why this > happened, but I think we can only speculate upon the significance of it. > > Again, in many other records of marriage intentions in Amsterdam in this > same era (last decades 16th and first quarter 17th centuries), if one of > the parties was born elsewhere, the record often gives the number of years > she or he had lived at their current residence in Amsterdam. Not always, > but rather often. In these cases, the records usually say something like "9 > ans woonende inde Warmoesstraet" (9 years living in the Warmoesstraat), or > 2 ans woon~ opde Rokin. > > Here's Rebecca's baptism with witness name, in case anyone needs it: > > kind: Rebecka > doopdatum: 15-08-1628 > kerk: Nieuwe Kerk > vader: Lubbertsz, Frerick > moeder: Jans, Stijntje > bronverwijzing: DTB 40, p.465 > > The baptism witness for Rebecca was Anna Jans [Stadsarchief Amsterdam > (Dopen) DTB 40, p.465]. > > The SAA search engine did not find this couple having any other children > in Amsterdam before or after this. > > Liz >

Liz: Thank you so much for your insights and for also sharing "Grandma" Rebecca's baptismal record! Perry From: E Johnson [mailto:iris.gates@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:14 AM To: perry@streeter.com; dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] 1627 marriage record in Amsterdam, of Frederick Lubbertsz I read this as 'of Amsterdam', but not necessarily born there. But this is an unusual record. Of all the marriage records of Amsterdam that I have seen --several hundred from the late 16th and early 17th centuries --I have never seen any other in which one of the parties produced or was required to produce a document of consent from the schepens and burgomeesters. I would like an answer to the question of why this happened, but I think we can only speculate upon the significance of it. Again, in many other records of marriage intentions in Amsterdam in this same era (last decades 16th and first quarter 17th centuries), if one of the parties was born elsewhere, the record often gives the number of years she or he had lived at their current residence in Amsterdam. Not always, but rather often. In these cases, the records usually say something like "9 ans woonende inde Warmoesstraet" (9 years living in the Warmoesstraat), or 2 ans woon~ opde Rokin. Here's Rebecca's baptism with witness name, in case anyone needs it: kind: Rebecka doopdatum: 15-08-1628 kerk: Nieuwe Kerk vader: Lubbertsz, Frerick moeder: Jans, Stijntje bronverwijzing: DTB 40, p.465 The baptism witness for Rebecca was Anna Jans [Stadsarchief Amsterdam (Dopen) DTB 40, p.465]. The SAA search engine did not find this couple having any other children in Amsterdam before or after this. Liz On 8 August 2013 08:18, Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> wrote: Liz & Chris: Thank you! Perhaps you have already found--or now can find--more information in response to this old posting of mine on Frederick... http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-04/1051317 777 Does the marriage record imply that Frederick was a native of Amsterdam or simply that he was a resident thereof at the time of his marriage? Perry

Liz & Chris: Thank you! Perhaps you have already found--or now can find--more information in response to this old posting of mine on Frederick... http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-04/1051317777 Does the marriage record imply that Frederick was a native of Amsterdam or simply that he was a resident thereof at the time of his marriage? Perry

I read this as 'of Amsterdam', but not necessarily born there. But this is an unusual record. Of all the marriage records of Amsterdam that I have seen --several hundred from the late 16th and early 17th centuries --I have never seen any other in which one of the parties produced or was required to produce a document of consent from the schepens and burgomeesters. I would like an answer to the question of why this happened, but I think we can only speculate upon the significance of it. Again, in many other records of marriage intentions in Amsterdam in this same era (last decades 16th and first quarter 17th centuries), if one of the parties was born elsewhere, the record often gives the number of years she or he had lived at their current residence in Amsterdam. Not always, but rather often. In these cases, the records usually say something like "9 ans woonende inde Warmoesstraet" (9 years living in the Warmoesstraat), or 2 ans woon~ opde Rokin. Here's Rebecca's baptism with witness name, in case anyone needs it: kind: Rebecka doopdatum: 15-08-1628 kerk: Nieuwe Kerk vader: Lubbertsz, Frerick moeder: Jans, Stijntje bronverwijzing: DTB 40, p.465 The baptism witness for Rebecca was Anna Jans [Stadsarchief Amsterdam (Dopen) DTB 40, p.465]. The SAA search engine did not find this couple having any other children in Amsterdam before or after this. Liz On 8 August 2013 08:18, Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> wrote: > Liz & Chris: > > Thank you! Perhaps you have already found--or now can find--more > information in response to this old posting of mine on Frederick... > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-04/1051317777 > > Does the marriage record imply that Frederick was a native of Amsterdam or > simply that he was a resident thereof at the time of his marriage? > > Perry >

Oh, that could be. Can I send you this under separate cover, so you can take a look at the handwriting? Thanks, Liz On 7 August 2013 22:09, Chris Brooks <brookskcmo@gmail.com> wrote: > Liz > > I looked at the record for Stijntjes birthpalce and could it be Verwert, > modern Ferwerd in Friesland? > > Chris > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:23 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I had a request for the 1627 marriage record in Amsterdam, of Frederick > > Lubbertsz and Styntje Jans who moved to the Dutch colonies. > > > > I now have a transcription and translation of that 1627 marriage > intention, > > done today. Frederick Lubbertsz and Styntje Jans had a daughter Rebecca > > Fredericks and/or Lubberts, wife of Jacob Vandergrift (1622-1697). > Styntje > > Jans died, after which Frederick Lubbertsz married Tryntje Hendricks, > > having two more daughters, Elsje in 1658 and Aeltje in 1660. Tryntje > > Hendricks had been previously married with Cors Peterson. > > > > This marriage record is not yet in Cor Snabel's Amsterdam records on my > > website, but will be added at the next update. For now, here it is for > > whoever needs it: > > > > > > 18-09-1627 > > Frerik Lubbertsz van A > > out 21 jaer, geen ouders hebben, vertoon~ acte van consent > > vande schepens & burgemrs deser stede woon~ inde > > Reestraet & Styntie Jans van Lewert[?], out > > 25 jaer, wiens moeder voor dese haer consent heeft verclaert woon~ > > als voorn > > [signed] Frerick Lubbertsen, [her mark] > > Source: Stadsarchief Amsterdam (Ondertrouwen), DTB 432, p.364 - > > Huwelijksintekeningen van de KERK. > > > > Translation -EJ (me) this evening (I added extra punctuation and the > > bracketed comments, etc): > > Frerik Lubbertsz of Amsterdam, > > age 21 years, having no parents [living], presenting an act of consent > > from the aldermen and burgomasters of this city, living in the > > Reestraet, & Styntie Jans of Lewert[?]*, age > > 25 years, whose mother previously has declared her consent, living as > above > > [the Reestraet]. > > [signed] Frerick Lubbertsen, [her mark] > > Source: Stadsarchief Amsterdam (Ondertrouwen), DTB 432, p.364 - Marriage > > intention records of the CHURCH. > > * The first letter of this place-name was unclear. Unsure what and where > > this town or village was. It might be Leeuwarden, in Friesland province, > > Netherlands (Frisians pronounce this word differently), or it might be > > Ruwaard, in province Brabant, Netherlands. > > > > If anyone has a record of where Styntje Jans was from, please post that > > with your source(s). > > > > Thanks & best wishes, > > Liz J > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Chris Brooks > Kansas City, Missouri > 816-363-1831 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Liz I looked at the image on the website. Do you have something different? Chris On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:50 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh, that could be. Can I send you this under separate cover, so you can > take a look at the handwriting? > > Thanks, > Liz > > On 7 August 2013 22:09, Chris Brooks <brookskcmo@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Liz > > > > I looked at the record for Stijntjes birthpalce and could it be Verwert, > > modern Ferwerd in Friesland? > > > > Chris > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:23 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I had a request for the 1627 marriage record in Amsterdam, of Frederick > > > Lubbertsz and Styntje Jans who moved to the Dutch colonies. > > > > > > I now have a transcription and translation of that 1627 marriage > > intention, > > > done today. Frederick Lubbertsz and Styntje Jans had a daughter Rebecca > > > Fredericks and/or Lubberts, wife of Jacob Vandergrift (1622-1697). > > Styntje > > > Jans died, after which Frederick Lubbertsz married Tryntje Hendricks, > > > having two more daughters, Elsje in 1658 and Aeltje in 1660. Tryntje > > > Hendricks had been previously married with Cors Peterson. > > > > > > This marriage record is not yet in Cor Snabel's Amsterdam records on my > > > website, but will be added at the next update. For now, here it is for > > > whoever needs it: > > > > > > > > > 18-09-1627 > > > Frerik Lubbertsz van A > > > out 21 jaer, geen ouders hebben, vertoon~ acte van consent > > > vande schepens & burgemrs deser stede woon~ inde > > > Reestraet & Styntie Jans van Lewert[?], out > > > 25 jaer, wiens moeder voor dese haer consent heeft verclaert woon~ > > > als voorn > > > [signed] Frerick Lubbertsen, [her mark] > > > Source: Stadsarchief Amsterdam (Ondertrouwen), DTB 432, p.364 - > > > Huwelijksintekeningen van de KERK. > > > > > > Translation -EJ (me) this evening (I added extra punctuation and the > > > bracketed comments, etc): > > > Frerik Lubbertsz of Amsterdam, > > > age 21 years, having no parents [living], presenting an act of consent > > > from the aldermen and burgomasters of this city, living in the > > > Reestraet, & Styntie Jans of Lewert[?]*, age > > > 25 years, whose mother previously has declared her consent, living as > > above > > > [the Reestraet]. > > > [signed] Frerick Lubbertsen, [her mark] > > > Source: Stadsarchief Amsterdam (Ondertrouwen), DTB 432, p.364 - > Marriage > > > intention records of the CHURCH. > > > * The first letter of this place-name was unclear. Unsure what and > where > > > this town or village was. It might be Leeuwarden, in Friesland > province, > > > Netherlands (Frisians pronounce this word differently), or it might be > > > Ruwaard, in province Brabant, Netherlands. > > > > > > If anyone has a record of where Styntje Jans was from, please post that > > > with your source(s). > > > > > > Thanks & best wishes, > > > Liz J > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Chris Brooks > > Kansas City, Missouri > > 816-363-1831 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ************** > For New Netherland Resources - ships lists, church records, land records > and more visit http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-NETHERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Chris Brooks Kansas City, Missouri 816-363-1831

I had a request for the 1627 marriage record in Amsterdam, of Frederick Lubbertsz and Styntje Jans who moved to the Dutch colonies. I now have a transcription and translation of that 1627 marriage intention, done today. Frederick Lubbertsz and Styntje Jans had a daughter Rebecca Fredericks and/or Lubberts, wife of Jacob Vandergrift (1622-1697). Styntje Jans died, after which Frederick Lubbertsz married Tryntje Hendricks, having two more daughters, Elsje in 1658 and Aeltje in 1660. Tryntje Hendricks had been previously married with Cors Peterson. This marriage record is not yet in Cor Snabel's Amsterdam records on my website, but will be added at the next update. For now, here it is for whoever needs it: 18-09-1627 Frerik Lubbertsz van A out 21 jaer, geen ouders hebben, vertoon~ acte van consent vande schepens & burgemrs deser stede woon~ inde Reestraet & Styntie Jans van Lewert[?], out 25 jaer, wiens moeder voor dese haer consent heeft verclaert woon~ als voorn [signed] Frerick Lubbertsen, [her mark] Source: Stadsarchief Amsterdam (Ondertrouwen), DTB 432, p.364 - Huwelijksintekeningen van de KERK. Translation -EJ (me) this evening (I added extra punctuation and the bracketed comments, etc): Frerik Lubbertsz of Amsterdam, age 21 years, having no parents [living], presenting an act of consent from the aldermen and burgomasters of this city, living in the Reestraet, & Styntie Jans of Lewert[?]*, age 25 years, whose mother previously has declared her consent, living as above [the Reestraet]. [signed] Frerick Lubbertsen, [her mark] Source: Stadsarchief Amsterdam (Ondertrouwen), DTB 432, p.364 - Marriage intention records of the CHURCH. * The first letter of this place-name was unclear. Unsure what and where this town or village was. It might be Leeuwarden, in Friesland province, Netherlands (Frisians pronounce this word differently), or it might be Ruwaard, in province Brabant, Netherlands. If anyone has a record of where Styntje Jans was from, please post that with your source(s). Thanks & best wishes, Liz J

Liz I looked at the record for Stijntjes birthpalce and could it be Verwert, modern Ferwerd in Friesland? Chris On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:23 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates@gmail.com> wrote: > I had a request for the 1627 marriage record in Amsterdam, of Frederick > Lubbertsz and Styntje Jans who moved to the Dutch colonies. > > I now have a transcription and translation of that 1627 marriage intention, > done today. Frederick Lubbertsz and Styntje Jans had a daughter Rebecca > Fredericks and/or Lubberts, wife of Jacob Vandergrift (1622-1697). Styntje > Jans died, after which Frederick Lubbertsz married Tryntje Hendricks, > having two more daughters, Elsje in 1658 and Aeltje in 1660. Tryntje > Hendricks had been previously married with Cors Peterson. > > This marriage record is not yet in Cor Snabel's Amsterdam records on my > website, but will be added at the next update. For now, here it is for > whoever needs it: > > > 18-09-1627 > Frerik Lubbertsz van A > out 21 jaer, geen ouders hebben, vertoon~ acte van consent > vande schepens & burgemrs deser stede woon~ inde > Reestraet & Styntie Jans van Lewert[?], out > 25 jaer, wiens moeder voor dese haer consent heeft verclaert woon~ > als voorn > [signed] Frerick Lubbertsen, [her mark] > Source: Stadsarchief Amsterdam (Ondertrouwen), DTB 432, p.364 - > Huwelijksintekeningen van de KERK. > > Translation -EJ (me) this evening (I added extra punctuation and the > bracketed comments, etc): > Frerik Lubbertsz of Amsterdam, > age 21 years, having no parents [living], presenting an act of consent > from the aldermen and burgomasters of this city, living in the > Reestraet, & Styntie Jans of Lewert[?]*, age > 25 years, whose mother previously has declared her consent, living as above > [the Reestraet]. > [signed] Frerick Lubbertsen, [her mark] > Source: Stadsarchief Amsterdam (Ondertrouwen), DTB 432, p.364 - Marriage > intention records of the CHURCH. > * The first letter of this place-name was unclear. Unsure what and where > this town or village was. It might be Leeuwarden, in Friesland province, > Netherlands (Frisians pronounce this word differently), or it might be > Ruwaard, in province Brabant, Netherlands. > > If anyone has a record of where Styntje Jans was from, please post that > with your source(s). > > Thanks & best wishes, > Liz J > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Chris Brooks Kansas City, Missouri 816-363-1831

Edward: I realize that you are currently focused on the Alewyn, etc. branch of your family tree but I wanted to make sure that you were aware of the following article: Dorothy J. Chance, "Alburtis, Alburti, Burtis," (20:752-754); The Connecticut Nutmegger. Glastonbury, CT: Connecticut Society of Genealogists, 1970-. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009.) Please concact me privately if you do have access to this brief article and would like a copy. With respect to John, have you already ruled out the potential matches from the vital and church records of Milford, CT? Perhaps more to follow... Perry www.perrystreeter.com >________________________________ > From: "ekipp@rogers.com" >To: "Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com" ; "new-netherland@rootsweb.com" >Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:11 PM >Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Aling, Ellin, Allyne, Alewyn, or Allen families > > >Has anyone done research on the families of Jan Aling and Francyn Albertus (cir 1654- ) >and their son John Jan Aling (Allen) (either 1675 or > cir 1683 Milford, CT - 1720). >I would like to know if Jan and Francyn had more than two children, Jan and Judith. >I would also like to know if anyone has made the connection back to Connecticut families. >John Jan Allen and Johanna Anna Haldron should be my 6th Great Grandparents. >Regards >Edward Kipp

There are probably multiple transcription versions available in online sources. You might want to compare them. For originals, should they still exist, contact the church to see if they have the documents archived on site or if they have been placed in a church repository, like the Reformed Church in America: <  https://www.rca.org/archives >, < http://images.rca.org/docs/archives/churchrecords.pdf > There might be microfilm of the original records in FamilySearch.org's catalog or in the New York State Library or New York State Archives, though the early records will be in Dutch. >________________________________ > From: "ekipp@rogers.com" <ekipp@rogers.com> > > >. . .access to the "original" birth records for Jan and Judith, and perhaps the marriage record for John Jan Allen ad Johanna Anna Haldron. . . > >============================================== >

Thank you James for the information.   Is there any chance that someone has access to the "original" birth records for Jan and Judith, and perhaps the marriage record for John Jan Allen ad Johanna Anna Haldron. All of my information is secondary. [Dutch Reformed Church, New York.]   Regards Edward From the banks of the Ottawa River, river of the voyageurs! ________________________________ From: James Harder <jaharder88@yahoo.com> To: "ekipp@rogers.com" <ekipp@rogers.com>; "dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:27:22 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Aling, Ellin, Allyne, Alewyn, or Allen families Edward, A correction to your post on the 1677 baptism of Judith "Alewyn":  The sponsor is correctly written in the record as Willem Waldron with wife Engeltie Stoutenburg, not Willem Haldron as you wrote and I commented on.  Without the obvious mistranscription of Haldron for Waldron in that case, perhaps my suggestion that the other Haldrons were actually Waldrons was hasty.  They are a few other Haldron records as you likely know. The relationship of the early Allens with the Waldrons also seems clear, so maybe the similarity of names and the residence of both families in Harlem are coincidental. NYRC Marriages: 1685 20 May; Francisco Anthony, wid van Leonora Haldrinck; Geertie Theunis, wid van Hans Carelszen. 1705 28 Jun; Johan Ellin, jm Van Milfort; Anna Haldrin, jd Van N. Haarlem. 1707 18 May; Jan Haldron, jm V. N. Haarlem; Cornelia Tienhoven, wid V. Andries Holst Van N. York. 1720 04 Sep; Thomas Cox, wid Van Baston; Hanna Haldron, wid John Ellin, V. N. Haarlem.   NYRC Baptisms: 1675 Nov 11; Jan Aling, Francyn [Pieters]; Jan; Jacobus de Haert, Rutgen Waldron 1677 Oct 24; Daniel Waldron, Sara Rutgers; Rutger; Rutgert Willemszen, Marritie Waldron 1677 Oct 24; Jan Alewyn, Francyn [Pieters]; Judith; Willem Waldron, Engeltie Stoutenburg   1708 May 16; Jan Haldron, Cornelia Van Tienhoven; Willem; Adriaan Man & wife Hester [Bording] 1709 Oct 05; Jan Haldron, Cornelia Van Tienhoven; Elizebeth; Pieter Amment, Nicolaas Tienhoven, Elizabeth Tienhoven 1711 Jun 14; John Haldron, Cornelia van Tienhove; Luykas; Samuel Philips, Tryntje van Thienhove   1709 Mar 30; Jan Ellin, Annetje Haldron; Jan; Jan Haldron, Abraham Brajor, Cornelia Haldron 1711 Sep 16; Jan Ellen, Johanna Haldron; Elizabeth; Abraham Rochel, Catharina Buys 1713 Nov 11; John Ellen, Johanna Haldron; Maria; Abraham Bradjor, Marretje Van der Spiegel 1717 Mar 13; John Ellen, Johanna Haldron; Mattheus; Cornelus Van Seysen & wife Catharina de Hart   1721 Nov 15; Thomas Koks, Johanna Haldron; Benjamin; Hendril Van Der Leew, Maria Van Der Leew      Jim ________________________________ From: James Harder <jaharder88@yahoo.com> To: "ekipp@rogers.com" <ekipp@rogers.com>; "dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Aling, Ellin, Allyne, Alewyn, or Allen families Hi Edward, I'm not familiar with your Allens, but it seems a good bet that the wife of John Allen Jr. was Anna Waldron, not Haldron as you and many others online have her.  The sponsors in 1677 are Willem Waldron, a son of Resolved, and his known wife Engeltje Stoutenberg.  The 1675 sponsor is another Waldron, possibly Ruth (Willem's half-sister) but probably not Rutger - the name Rutger didn't come into the Waldron family until the 1674 marriage of Daniel Waldron and Sara Rutgers.  In any event, there appears to have been a relationship between the Waldrons and Allens that preceded the 1705 marriage of Johan Ellin van Milfort and Anna "Haldrin" van N. Haarlem.  The Waldrons lived at this time in Harlem. The baptism at the NYRC 30 Mar 1709 of Jan, son of "Jan Ellin & Annetje Haldron" is sponsored by Jan Haldron, Abraham Brajor, Cornelia Haldron. Maybe someone with a better Waldron file than mine can identify these relatives of Anna.  It sure looks like the repeated transcription error in the only baptism record for the couple has given Anna an incorrect surname until now. Jim ________________________________ From: "ekipp@rogers.com" <ekipp@rogers.com> To: "Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com" <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com>; "new-netherland@rootsweb.com" <new-netherland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:11 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Aling, Ellin, Allyne, Alewyn, or Allen families Has anyone done research on the families of Jan Aling and Francyn Albertus (cir 1654-   ) and their son John Jan Aling (Allen) (either 1675 or cir 1683 Milford, CT - 1720). I would like to know if Jan and Francyn had more than two children, Jan and Judith. I would also like to know if anyone has made the connection back to Connecticut families. John Jan Allen and Johanna Anna Haldron should be my 6th Great Grandparents. Regards Edward Kipp   Sources consulted: Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol II. Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York. New York, 1901. Reprinted 1968. P. 121 1675 11 Nov Jan Aling & Francyn parents, Jan child, witnesses Jacobus de Haert, Rutgen Waldron. Minister Samuel Megapolensis. Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol II. Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York. New York, 1901. Reprinted 1968. P. 129 1677 24 Oct Jan Alewyn, Francyn parents, Judith child, witnesses Willem Haldron, Engeltie Stoutenburg. Minister Samuel Megapolensis.   John Jan Allen (cir 1683 Milford, Fairfield, CT - 1770) and Johanna Anna Haldron (cir 1684 New York, NY -  ) Johanna married 1st June 28, 1705 at New York, John ELLIN (Ellen, Allen), from Milford, CT. Probably the son of John ALLEN, Senior. They were admitted Freemen in New York on May 27, 1702, Senior being a Sawyer and junior a Feltmaker. New York Dutch Church archives describes him as Johan Ellin, young man, van Milfort. Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New Amsterdam and New York. Baptisms from 25 December, 1639, to 27 December, 1730. Edited by Thomas Grier Evans. New York. 1901. P, 121 Revised History of Harlem (City of New York) its Origin and Early Annals, James Riker. 1904. P. 558. Genealogical Dictionary of New Jersey, Charles C Gardner. 1939. P. 21-22. New Harlem Register, Henry P Toler. 1903. Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Vol. 18, p. 21. [Allen]     >From the banks of the Ottawa River, river of the voyageurs! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Edward, A correction to your post on the 1677 baptism of Judith "Alewyn":  The sponsor is correctly written in the record as Willem Waldron with wife Engeltie Stoutenburg, not Willem Haldron as you wrote and I commented on.  Without the obvious mistranscription of Haldron for Waldron in that case, perhaps my suggestion that the other Haldrons were actually Waldrons was hasty.  They are a few other Haldron records as you likely know. The relationship of the early Allens with the Waldrons also seems clear, so maybe the similarity of names and the residence of both families in Harlem are coincidental. NYRC Marriages: 1685 20 May; Francisco Anthony, wid van Leonora Haldrinck; Geertie Theunis, wid van Hans Carelszen. 1705 28 Jun; Johan Ellin, jm Van Milfort; Anna Haldrin, jd Van N. Haarlem. 1707 18 May; Jan Haldron, jm V. N. Haarlem; Cornelia Tienhoven, wid V. Andries Holst Van N. York. 1720 04 Sep; Thomas Cox, wid Van Baston; Hanna Haldron, wid John Ellin, V. N. Haarlem.   NYRC Baptisms: 1675 Nov 11; Jan Aling, Francyn [Pieters]; Jan; Jacobus de Haert, Rutgen Waldron 1677 Oct 24; Daniel Waldron, Sara Rutgers; Rutger; Rutgert Willemszen, Marritie Waldron 1677 Oct 24; Jan Alewyn, Francyn [Pieters]; Judith; Willem Waldron, Engeltie Stoutenburg   1708 May 16; Jan Haldron, Cornelia Van Tienhoven; Willem; Adriaan Man & wife Hester [Bording] 1709 Oct 05; Jan Haldron, Cornelia Van Tienhoven; Elizebeth; Pieter Amment, Nicolaas Tienhoven, Elizabeth Tienhoven 1711 Jun 14; John Haldron, Cornelia van Tienhove; Luykas; Samuel Philips, Tryntje van Thienhove   1709 Mar 30; Jan Ellin, Annetje Haldron; Jan; Jan Haldron, Abraham Brajor, Cornelia Haldron 1711 Sep 16; Jan Ellen, Johanna Haldron; Elizabeth; Abraham Rochel, Catharina Buys 1713 Nov 11; John Ellen, Johanna Haldron; Maria; Abraham Bradjor, Marretje Van der Spiegel 1717 Mar 13; John Ellen, Johanna Haldron; Mattheus; Cornelus Van Seysen & wife Catharina de Hart   1721 Nov 15; Thomas Koks, Johanna Haldron; Benjamin; Hendril Van Der Leew, Maria Van Der Leew      Jim ________________________________ From: James Harder <jaharder88@yahoo.com> To: "ekipp@rogers.com" <ekipp@rogers.com>; "dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Aling, Ellin, Allyne, Alewyn, or Allen families Hi Edward, I'm not familiar with your Allens, but it seems a good bet that the wife of John Allen Jr. was Anna Waldron, not Haldron as you and many others online have her.  The sponsors in 1677 are Willem Waldron, a son of Resolved, and his known wife Engeltje Stoutenberg.  The 1675 sponsor is another Waldron, possibly Ruth (Willem's half-sister) but probably not Rutger - the name Rutger didn't come into the Waldron family until the 1674 marriage of Daniel Waldron and Sara Rutgers.  In any event, there appears to have been a relationship between the Waldrons and Allens that preceded the 1705 marriage of Johan Ellin van Milfort and Anna "Haldrin" van N. Haarlem.  The Waldrons lived at this time in Harlem. The baptism at the NYRC 30 Mar 1709 of Jan, son of "Jan Ellin & Annetje Haldron" is sponsored by Jan Haldron, Abraham Brajor, Cornelia Haldron. Maybe someone with a better Waldron file than mine can identify these relatives of Anna.  It sure looks like the repeated transcription error in the only baptism record for the couple has given Anna an incorrect surname until now. Jim ________________________________ From: "ekipp@rogers.com" <ekipp@rogers.com> To: "Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com" <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com>; "new-netherland@rootsweb.com" <new-netherland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:11 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Aling, Ellin, Allyne, Alewyn, or Allen families Has anyone done research on the families of Jan Aling and Francyn Albertus (cir 1654-   ) and their son John Jan Aling (Allen) (either 1675 or cir 1683 Milford, CT - 1720). I would like to know if Jan and Francyn had more than two children, Jan and Judith. I would also like to know if anyone has made the connection back to Connecticut families. John Jan Allen and Johanna Anna Haldron should be my 6th Great Grandparents. Regards Edward Kipp   Sources consulted: Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol II. Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York. New York, 1901. Reprinted 1968. P. 121 1675 11 Nov Jan Aling & Francyn parents, Jan child, witnesses Jacobus de Haert, Rutgen Waldron. Minister Samuel Megapolensis. Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol II. Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York. New York, 1901. Reprinted 1968. P. 129 1677 24 Oct Jan Alewyn, Francyn parents, Judith child, witnesses Willem Haldron, Engeltie Stoutenburg. Minister Samuel Megapolensis.   John Jan Allen (cir 1683 Milford, Fairfield, CT - 1770) and Johanna Anna Haldron (cir 1684 New York, NY -  ) Johanna married 1st June 28, 1705 at New York, John ELLIN (Ellen, Allen), from Milford, CT. Probably the son of John ALLEN, Senior. They were admitted Freemen in New York on May 27, 1702, Senior being a Sawyer and junior a Feltmaker. New York Dutch Church archives describes him as Johan Ellin, young man, van Milfort. Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New Amsterdam and New York. Baptisms from 25 December, 1639, to 27 December, 1730. Edited by Thomas Grier Evans. New York. 1901. P, 121 Revised History of Harlem (City of New York) its Origin and Early Annals, James Riker. 1904. P. 558. Genealogical Dictionary of New Jersey, Charles C Gardner. 1939. P. 21-22. New Harlem Register, Henry P Toler. 1903. Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Vol. 18, p. 21. 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Hi Edward, I am in the process of researching my Revolutionary Patriot, Abner Allen, b. 30 Dec 1757 in Windham, Ct. married 1778 in Windham, CT. Roxalena Hibbard, b. 1760, d. 1818. Abner d. 31 May 1831 in Duanesburg, N.Y. Abner's parents: Amos Allen b. abt. 1707 Danvers, Essex, Massachusetts m 08 Nov 1739 Windham, Ct. d 23 Mar 1770 Windham, Windham, Ct. spouse: Ann Dennison b 03 May 1724 Stonington, New London, Ct. Amos parents: William Allen (Allin) b 18 Mar 1669/70 Manchester, Essex, Mass. d 29 Dec 1696 Windham, Windham, Ct. Spouse - unknown William's parents: Samuel Allen (Alliin) Sr. b 08 Jan 1631/32 Salem, Essex, Mass. m abt. 1662 d 1700 Salem, Essex, Mass spouse, Prob. Sarah Tuck b. 1636 d. 1706 Samuel Sr.'s parents: William Allen (Allin) b 1602 Allen Hall, St Hulme, Wales. came to America with the Dorchester company in 1624 to Mass., settled in Salem. first wife, Ales/Alice Whytmore/Whitmore b. abt. 1602 0r 1610, Wales d. 1631 Salem, Mass. William died 30 Jan 1678 Manchester, Essex, Mass This may not be your connection as this line is known to be of Irish descent and It looks like It goes back to 1400's or earlier in Ireland. (just in case) Mell White in Mission, Ks. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM, <ekipp@rogers.com> wrote: > Has anyone done research on the families of Jan Aling and Francyn Albertus > (cir 1654- ) > and their son John Jan Aling (Allen) (either 1675 or cir 1683 Milford, CT > - 1720). > I would like to know if Jan and Francyn had more than two children, Jan > and Judith. > I would also like to know if anyone has made the connection back to > Connecticut families. > John Jan Allen and Johanna Anna Haldron should be my 6th Great > Grandparents. > Regards > Edward Kipp > > Sources consulted: > Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol II. > Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York. > New York, 1901. Reprinted 1968. > P. 121 1675 11 Nov Jan Aling & Francyn parents, Jan child, witnesses > Jacobus de Haert, Rutgen Waldron. Minister Samuel Megapolensis. > Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol II. > Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York. > New York, 1901. Reprinted 1968. > P. 129 1677 24 Oct Jan Alewyn, Francyn parents, Judith child, witnesses > Willem Haldron, Engeltie Stoutenburg. Minister Samuel Megapolensis. > > > John Jan Allen (cir 1683 Milford, Fairfield, CT - 1770) and Johanna Anna > Haldron (cir 1684 New York, NY - ) > Johanna married 1st June 28, 1705 at New York, John ELLIN (Ellen, Allen), > from Milford, CT. Probably the son of John ALLEN, Senior. They were > admitted Freemen in New York on May 27, 1702, Senior being a Sawyer and > junior a Feltmaker. New York Dutch Church archives describes him as Johan > Ellin, young man, van Milfort. > > Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New Amsterdam and New York. > Baptisms from 25 December, 1639, to 27 December, 1730. Edited by Thomas > Grier Evans. New York. 1901. P, 121 > Revised History of Harlem (City of New York) its Origin and Early Annals, > James Riker. 1904. P. 558. > Genealogical Dictionary of New Jersey, Charles C Gardner. 1939. P. 21-22. > New Harlem Register, Henry P Toler. 1903. > Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Vol. 18, p. 21. [Allen] > > > >From the banks of the Ottawa River, river of the voyageurs! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Edward, I'm not familiar with your Allens, but it seems a good bet that the wife of John Allen Jr. was Anna Waldron, not Haldron as you and many others online have her.  The sponsors in 1677 are Willem Waldron, a son of Resolved, and his known wife Engeltje Stoutenberg.  The 1675 sponsor is another Waldron, possibly Ruth (Willem's half-sister) but probably not Rutger - the name Rutger didn't come into the Waldron family until the 1674 marriage of Daniel Waldron and Sara Rutgers.  In any event, there appears to have been a relationship between the Waldrons and Allens that preceded the 1705 marriage of Johan Ellin van Milfort and Anna "Haldrin" van N. Haarlem.  The Waldrons lived at this time in Harlem. The baptism at the NYRC 30 Mar 1709 of Jan, son of "Jan Ellin & Annetje Haldron" is sponsored by Jan Haldron, Abraham Brajor, Cornelia Haldron. Maybe someone with a better Waldron file than mine can identify these relatives of Anna.  It sure looks like the repeated transcription error in the only baptism record for the couple has given Anna an incorrect surname until now. Jim ________________________________ From: "ekipp@rogers.com" <ekipp@rogers.com> To: "Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com" <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com>; "new-netherland@rootsweb.com" <new-netherland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:11 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Aling, Ellin, Allyne, Alewyn, or Allen families Has anyone done research on the families of Jan Aling and Francyn Albertus (cir 1654-   ) and their son John Jan Aling (Allen) (either 1675 or cir 1683 Milford, CT - 1720). I would like to know if Jan and Francyn had more than two children, Jan and Judith. I would also like to know if anyone has made the connection back to Connecticut families. John Jan Allen and Johanna Anna Haldron should be my 6th Great Grandparents. Regards Edward Kipp   Sources consulted: Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol II. Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York. New York, 1901. Reprinted 1968. P. 121 1675 11 Nov Jan Aling & Francyn parents, Jan child, witnesses Jacobus de Haert, Rutgen Waldron. Minister Samuel Megapolensis. Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol II. Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York. New York, 1901. Reprinted 1968. P. 129 1677 24 Oct Jan Alewyn, Francyn parents, Judith child, witnesses Willem Haldron, Engeltie Stoutenburg. Minister Samuel Megapolensis.   John Jan Allen (cir 1683 Milford, Fairfield, CT - 1770) and Johanna Anna Haldron (cir 1684 New York, NY -  ) Johanna married 1st June 28, 1705 at New York, John ELLIN (Ellen, Allen), from Milford, CT. Probably the son of John ALLEN, Senior. They were admitted Freemen in New York on May 27, 1702, Senior being a Sawyer and junior a Feltmaker. New York Dutch Church archives describes him as Johan Ellin, young man, van Milfort. Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New Amsterdam and New York. Baptisms from 25 December, 1639, to 27 December, 1730. Edited by Thomas Grier Evans. New York. 1901. P, 121 Revised History of Harlem (City of New York) its Origin and Early Annals, James Riker. 1904. P. 558. Genealogical Dictionary of New Jersey, Charles C Gardner. 1939. P. 21-22. New Harlem Register, Henry P Toler. 1903. Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Vol. 18, p. 21. [Allen]     >From the banks of the Ottawa River, river of the voyageurs! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone done research on the families of Jan Aling and Francyn Albertus (cir 1654-   ) and their son John Jan Aling (Allen) (either 1675 or cir 1683 Milford, CT - 1720). I would like to know if Jan and Francyn had more than two children, Jan and Judith. I would also like to know if anyone has made the connection back to Connecticut families. John Jan Allen and Johanna Anna Haldron should be my 6th Great Grandparents. Regards Edward Kipp   Sources consulted: Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol II. Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York. New York, 1901. Reprinted 1968. P. 121 1675 11 Nov Jan Aling & Francyn parents, Jan child, witnesses Jacobus de Haert, Rutgen Waldron. Minister Samuel Megapolensis. Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol II. Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York. New York, 1901. Reprinted 1968. P. 129 1677 24 Oct Jan Alewyn, Francyn parents, Judith child, witnesses Willem Haldron, Engeltie Stoutenburg. Minister Samuel Megapolensis.   John Jan Allen (cir 1683 Milford, Fairfield, CT - 1770) and Johanna Anna Haldron (cir 1684 New York, NY -  ) Johanna married 1st June 28, 1705 at New York, John ELLIN (Ellen, Allen), from Milford, CT. Probably the son of John ALLEN, Senior. They were admitted Freemen in New York on May 27, 1702, Senior being a Sawyer and junior a Feltmaker. New York Dutch Church archives describes him as Johan Ellin, young man, van Milfort. Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New Amsterdam and New York. Baptisms from 25 December, 1639, to 27 December, 1730. Edited by Thomas Grier Evans. New York. 1901. P, 121 Revised History of Harlem (City of New York) its Origin and Early Annals, James Riker. 1904. P. 558. Genealogical Dictionary of New Jersey, Charles C Gardner. 1939. P. 21-22. New Harlem Register, Henry P Toler. 1903. Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Vol. 18, p. 21. [Allen]     From the banks of the Ottawa River, river of the voyageurs!

Hello, Cor! Here is the appropriate list maintained by Rootsweb for East Frisia. I'm sure the folks who come from northwest Germany would be interested in your findings about Frisians too: OSTFRIESEN A mailing for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in Ostfriesland (East Friesia), Germany. Anything that concerns Ostfriesen culture, folklore, heritage, etc. is an appropriate topic. Germany Dorothy

Dear list, Recently I collected the names and data of about 300 'parties' (a total of maybe 1200 people) who emigrated between 1845 and 1885 from Friesland in the Netherlands to several places in North America, mostly to Michigan and Iowa. We placed it on our website: http://pqtheseer.pbworks.com/w/page/67864093/Frisians%20to%20America%201845-1885 Maybe some of you have 'New Dutch' (Frisians) in your family tree, but basically my question is, does anyone know where to publish a message about this, in order to reach as much 'American Frisians' as possible. Regards Cor Snabel The Netherlands

I was just prompted by a friend on this list to post a correction. I meant to be asking about Jannetje Kershaw who is listed as the spouse of Nicholas Van Zandt, not John A Van Voorhees. Stayed up way too late last night finishing a fine book I could not put down. I was more than a little confused this morning when I wrote this. Jeff Ward -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Ward Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 7:40 AM To: Dutch-Colonies-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Marriage of John Van Voorhees and Janetje Kershow I am wondering if anyone on this list has more information than I am posting here about this couple. I have quite a bit of information about the ancestors of John Van Voorhees and the descendants of John Van Voorhees and Janetje Kershow. I am one of those descendants. I should have bought the Van Voorhees Family genealogy when it came out in 2000 but I did not and it is not available in any library reasonably close to my home. This is all that I have about this couple. In 2000, the Van Voorhees Family Association published a family genealogy. There are references to John A. Voorhees and wife Janetje Kershow at pages 34, 102 and 103. Some early records for the Somerset County, New Jersey branch of the family are taken from very old family notes kept by David Voorhees. His record says that John A. Voorhees, born about 1714, married Janetje Kershow in about 1735 and that she was born about 1719, He was evidently uncertain of the date of her death but wrote 18 and did not compl! ete the date. We assume this means she died after 1800. Her parentage is unknown but many of the descendants of French Huguenot immigrant Jacques Cossart used the Kershow or Kershaw surname and dropped the Cossart surname. Others used the surname Cashow and many other variations. >From the History of Hunterdon and Somerset Counties, New Jersey (1881) Page 837--"John Stevens Van Voorhees came from Flatbush (or Flatlands), L. I. to Montgomery Township in 1738, purchasing a farm of 345 acres southeast of Blawenburg, on the road to Princeton." In 1754, he purchased what is known as the Voorhees homestead of 201 1/2 acres located in the north branch of Beden's Brook in the township of Montgomery. "Both John Van Voorhees and his wife lived to a grand old age, the former being nearly 100, and the latter eighty-nine when they died. John Stevens Van Voorhees married Jeanetta Kirshaw, at Long Island in 1730." Finally, can anyone on this list tell me anything about David Voorhees and the family record that he kept? My nineteenth century New Netherland ancestors in Allegany County, New York, (Dumont and Cole, formerly Cool or Kool) kept a family record that is extraordinary and the original is my possession. This is an invaluable record for a period when there a! re few public records available. They were actually filling out the family record as people were on their death beds, recording when they "took sick" and when they died. Jeff Ward ________________________________ This email transmission is confidential and may contain proprietary information for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. Any use, distribution or copying of this transmission, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the system manager at dherrera@scgc.org and delete all copies. Electronic media is susceptible to unauthorized modification, deterioration, and incompatibility. Accordingly, the electronic media version of any work product may not be relied upon. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email transmission is confidential and may contain proprietary information for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. Any use, distribution or copying of this transmission, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the system manager at dherrera@scgc.org and delete all copies. Electronic media is susceptible to unauthorized modification, deterioration, and incompatibility. Accordingly, the electronic media version of any work product may not be relied upon.

I got some very nice replies to my queries, including this one with advice that I will gladly accept, but a whole new can of worms has been opened. The Van Voorhees genealogy says John A. Voorhees was married to Jannetje Kershow. But an article published in NYGBR Record Vol. 68:400 (1937) identifies his wife as Lucretia Van Brunt. A somewhat scientific guess is that if his wife indeed was Jannetje Kershow, she may very well have been the daughter of David Cossart and Syntje Van Hoorn baptized at the Dutch Reformed Church in New York City on 15 May 1715. See the article by George Olin Zabriskie "The Jan Cornelisen Van Hoorn/Van Horne Family of New York and New Jersey," TAG: 170-177 describes the family and children of David Cossart and Syntje Van Hoorn at pages 175 and 176 and the date of the publications of the banns and marriage. He gives the names, baptisms and sponsor of all of their children and their known spouses. He describes David Cossart as the son of Jacques Cousse! au and Lydia Willems, the French Huguenot immigrants. The will of David Cosort was made 10 Jun 1736, proved 13 Jan 1740 and the inventory of David of Bound Brook was recorded 1 Jul 1741. It mentions wife Staintiah, son George, son Jacob (deceased), David and Francis; daughters Leah (deceased), Mary Williamson, Susanna Conine, Eleanor, Jane and Eve and three unnamed sons of his deceased son Jacob and their mother Wiiliamtiah. He says that Styntje Cussaar witnessed a will on 9 May 1759 at Piscataway, Middlesex County, New Jersey. Mr. Zabriskie lists witnesses at the many baptisms and describes the child's relationship with its sponsors. In the case of Jacob baptized at the New York Dutch Reformed Church on 28 Jan 1702, witnesses are Jan Van Hoorn and Jannetje Cosaer, wife of Jacobus Goelet (child's maternal uncle and paternal aunt). At the baptism at the New York Dutch Reformed Church of Jannetje on 15 May 1715, sponsors are Jan Goelet and Lea Cosaar (child's sister). The aut! hor does not list a spouse for Jannetje. The identification of! Jannetj e Cossart (Kershow) as the wife of John A. Van Voorhees, later of Blawenburg, Somerset County, New Jersey is speculative. Jannetje is about the right age to be the wife of John A. Van Voorhees and we do know that some descendants of Jacques Couseau (Cossart) later adopted the surname Kershaw, Kershow or Cashow. As you can see from the description above, the spelling of the surname was rarely consistent. No married name is given for Jannetje in her father's will but she was had probably just turned 21 when the will was written so she may still have been unmarried. To complicate matters further, there is very scanty evidence for the birth, marriage or death of either John A. Van Voorhees or Jannetje Kershow. But descendants of Margaret Van Zandt are scratching their heads saying who was her Momma? Jeff Ward -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jarm@nycnuts.net Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 1:20 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Marriage of John Van Voorhees and Janetje Kershow Of course deeds are a great source for providing family relationships, and for the narrowing down of an individuals date of death... the following is a great source for early NJ deeds: Colonial Conveyances: Provinces of East and West New Jersey, 1664-1794. Two Volumes. Summit, New Jersey: Crestview Lawyers Service, 1974. The Family History Library also has early records on microfilm for several churches in and near Montgomery Township, which you can request and view at your local Family History Center. You should also check the Somerset County Historical Quarterly, of which some of the volumes can be accessed online at both [1]hathitrust.org and [2]archive.org. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Marriage of John Van Voorhees and Janetje Kershow From: Jeff Ward <[3]jjward@scgc.org> Date: Sat, July 20, 2013 9:26 am To: "[4]dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com" <[5]dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Thanks, Nancy. I would appreciate the scan. My home email is [6]jeffjward@bellsouth.net. It seems like there should be better evidence for a couple that was of some prominence. Jeff Ward -----Original Message----- From: [7]dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [[8]mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Terhune Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 5:26 AM To: dutch-colonies Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Marriage of John Van Voorhees and Janetje Kershow Jeff: I'd be happy to scan all the relevant pages from The Van Voorhees family in America and email them to you, but unfortunately I can't illuminate anything further on the descendants of John and Janetje. Nancy On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 07:40 AM, Jeff Ward wrote: > I am wondering if anyone on this list has more information than I am > posting here about this couple. I have quite a bit of information > about the ancestors of John Van Voorhees and the descendants of John > Van Voorhees and Janetje Kershow. I am one of those descendants. I > should have bought the Van Voorhees Family genealogy when it came out > in 2000 but I did not and it is not available in any library > reasonably close to my home. This is all that I have about this > couple. In 2000, the Van Voorhees Family Association published a > family genealogy. There are references to John A. Voorhees and wife > Janetje Kershow at pages 34, 102 and 103. Some early records for the > Somerset County, New Jersey branch of the family are taken from very > old family notes kept by David Voorhees. His record says that John A. > Voorhees, born about 1714, married Janetje Kershow in about 1735 and > that she was born about 1719, He was evidently uncertain of the date > of her death but wrote 18 and did not compl! > ete the date. We assume this means she died after 1800. Her parentage > is unknown but many of the descendants of French Huguenot immigrant > Jacques Cossart used the Kershow or Kershaw surname and dropped the > Cossart surname. Others used the surname Cashow and many other > variations. >> From the History of Hunterdon and Somerset Counties, New Jersey >> (1881) Page 837--"John Stevens Van Voorhees came from Flatbush (or >> Flatlands), L. I. to Montgomery Township in 1738, purchasing a farm >> of 345 acres southeast of Blawenburg, on the road to Princeton." In >> 1754, he purchased what is known as the Voorhees homestead of 201 1/2 >> acres located in the north branch of Beden's Brook in the township of >> Montgomery. "Both John Van Voorhees and his wife lived to a grand old >> age, the former being nearly 100, and the latter eighty-nine when >> they died. John Stevens Van Voorhees married Jeanetta Kirshaw, at >> Long Island in 1730." Finally, can anyone on this list tell me >> anything about David Voorhees and the family record that he kept? My >> nineteenth century New Netherland ancestors in Allegany County, New >> York, (Dumont and Cole, formerly Cool or Kool) kept a family record >> that is extraordinary and the original is my possession. This is an >> invaluable record for a period when there a! > re few public records available. They were actually filling out the > family record as people were on their death beds, recording when they > "took sick" and when they died. Jeff Ward > > ________________________________ > This email transmission is confidential and may contain proprietary > information for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. Any use, > distribution or copying of this transmission, other than by the > intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the > intended recipient, please notify the system manager at > [9]dherrera@scgc.org and delete all copies. Electronic media is > susceptible to unauthorized modification, deterioration, and > incompatibility. 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Thanks, Nancy. I would appreciate the scan. My home email is jeffjward@bellsouth.net. It seems like there should be better evidence for a couple that was of some prominence. Jeff Ward -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Terhune Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 5:26 AM To: dutch-colonies Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Marriage of John Van Voorhees and Janetje Kershow Jeff: I'd be happy to scan all the relevant pages from The Van Voorhees family in America and email them to you, but unfortunately I can't illuminate anything further on the descendants of John and Janetje. Nancy On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 07:40 AM, Jeff Ward wrote: > I am wondering if anyone on this list has more information than I am > posting here about this couple. I have quite a bit of information > about the ancestors of John Van Voorhees and the descendants of John > Van Voorhees and Janetje Kershow. I am one of those descendants. I > should have bought the Van Voorhees Family genealogy when it came out > in 2000 but I did not and it is not available in any library > reasonably close to my home. This is all that I have about this > couple. In 2000, the Van Voorhees Family Association published a > family genealogy. There are references to John A. Voorhees and wife > Janetje Kershow at pages 34, 102 and 103. Some early records for the > Somerset County, New Jersey branch of the family are taken from very > old family notes kept by David Voorhees. His record says that John A. > Voorhees, born about 1714, married Janetje Kershow in about 1735 and > that she was born about 1719, He was evidently uncertain of the date > of her death but wrote 18 and did not compl! > ete the date. We assume this means she died after 1800. Her parentage > is unknown but many of the descendants of French Huguenot immigrant > Jacques Cossart used the Kershow or Kershaw surname and dropped the > Cossart surname. Others used the surname Cashow and many other > variations. >> From the History of Hunterdon and Somerset Counties, New Jersey >> (1881) Page 837--"John Stevens Van Voorhees came from Flatbush (or >> Flatlands), L. I. to Montgomery Township in 1738, purchasing a farm >> of 345 acres southeast of Blawenburg, on the road to Princeton." In >> 1754, he purchased what is known as the Voorhees homestead of 201 1/2 >> acres located in the north branch of Beden's Brook in the township of >> Montgomery. "Both John Van Voorhees and his wife lived to a grand old >> age, the former being nearly 100, and the latter eighty-nine when >> they died. John Stevens Van Voorhees married Jeanetta Kirshaw, at >> Long Island in 1730." Finally, can anyone on this list tell me >> anything about David Voorhees and the family record that he kept? My >> nineteenth century New Netherland ancestors in Allegany County, New >> York, (Dumont and Cole, formerly Cool or Kool) kept a family record >> that is extraordinary and the original is my possession. This is an >> invaluable record for a period when there a! > re few public records available. They were actually filling out the > family record as people were on their death beds, recording when they > "took sick" and when they died. Jeff Ward > > ________________________________ > This email transmission is confidential and may contain proprietary > information for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. Any use, > distribution or copying of this transmission, other than by the > intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the > intended recipient, please notify the system manager at > dherrera@scgc.org and delete all copies. Electronic media is > susceptible to unauthorized modification, deterioration, and > incompatibility. Accordingly, the electronic media version of any work > product may not be relied upon. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email transmission is confidential and may contain proprietary information for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. Any use, distribution or copying of this transmission, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the system manager at dherrera@scgc.org and delete all copies. Electronic media is susceptible to unauthorized modification, deterioration, and incompatibility. Accordingly, the electronic media version of any work product may not be relied upon.