Chris, You wrote: > this Monmouth Co. Hendrick Hendrickson who was the father of Hendrick > Hendrickson, Jr., and Geesje Hendrickson (wife of Nicholas Van Brunt), do > you know who his wife was? In other words, who was the mother of Hendrick, > Jr. and Geesje? It is not clear who their mother was. No records of her, other than the baptism in 1705, have been found as far as I know. One possibility is she is an undocumented sister of either Claes Thomas Van Dyck and/or Hendrick Van Dyck, but that is just a working hypothesis. Hendrick Hendrickson, Jr. married Aeltje Cowenhoven, probably the daughter of Albert Couwenhoven and Neeltje Schenck baptized at the DRC of Freehold on 19 Feb 1709/10. [GMNJ 22:5] Though they had sons named after their grandfathers, they appear to not have had any daughters, so there is no help there in identifying Hendrick's mother. Geesje Hendrickson married Nicholas Van Brunt, son of Cornelius Van Brunt and Tryntje Bennet. Genealogy of the Van Brunt Family by Teunis Bergen, pg 6 & 22. The order of most of their children is not known, but my best reconstruction of their birth order and possible naming is as follows: Possible naming and order of their children: 1) Cornelius, named after his paternal grandfather, Cornelius Van Brunt (a), married in 1745 (b), so born about 1724 if married at 21. 2) Hendrick, named after his maternal grandfather, executor of his father’s estate (a), so born by 1739, but also witness for his nephew, Hendrick Van Brunt, in 1752 (c), so probably born before his sisters; Engeltje (d), Agnes (e) & Geertje (f), as he would have otherwise have been only 13 at the time, very young for being a witness. Born say 1726. 3) Catherine, named after her paternal grandmother, Tryntje Bennet (above) and her possible maternal grandmother, Tryntje Van Dyck. She also was a witness for Hendrick Van Brunt, so probably born before Engeltje. Born say 1728. 4) Jonnetje, probably Jannetje, named after her maternal aunt, baptized in 1705 (see above). Born say 1730. 5) Engeltje, speculation, but possibly named after a maternal aunt (d) ,(f), baptized 1732. 6) Agnes, possibly named after a paternal aunt (e), baptized 1735. 7) Geesje, named after her mother, baptized 1737 (f). 8) Nicholas, named after his father, born say 1740. There is no daughter named Helen. Some people have equated Helen with Engeltje, but they are 2 distinct names. Engeltje is sometimes referred to as Antje or Anne, but that is probably an abbreviation of Angeltje, a variation of Engeltje. She appears as Annetje and Engeltje in the baptismal records of her children. a) 1760, April 12. Van Brunt, Nicolaes, of Shrewsbury, Monmouth Co., yeoman; will of. Wife, Geassey, use of real and personal estate; but must allow my sons, Hendrick and Nicholas, to till the soil. At wife's death, the moveable estate I give my children and my son Cornelius' 5 children. Sons, Hendrick and Nicholas, the plantation at the Falls. At the marriage of daughter, Caty, she shall have £35. Daughter, Jonnety, £100. Daughter, Caty, £100. Daughter, Anne, £2 and 10 shillings a year, as long as Cornelius Wincant is her husband, and, if he die, she is to have £100. Daughter, Agness, £100. Daughter, Gaessey, £100. Son Cornelius' 5 children, Gaessey, Joseph, Nicholas, Hendrick and Cornelius, to be put to a trade. Executors—son, Hendrick, my son-in-law, Albert Schenck, and my friend, Tunies Denice. Witnesses—Roelef Schenck, Isaac Vandorn, Roleff Schenck, minor. 1760, April 12. Codicil. Son-in-law, Cornelius Wincant, may live in the house on my land and have 2 acres for 7 years. Witnesses — same as above. Proved Feb. 1, 1782. 1781, Dec. 18. Inventory, £550.16.6, made by John Polhemus and Joseph Throckmorton. Lib. 24, p. 101. Documents Relating to the History of the State of New Jersey, vol 35, Calendar of New Jersey Wills, vol 6, pg 404 b) 1745 01 May; Cornelis VanBrunt; Magdalena Finten Robert Billard’s transcription of the records for the DRC of Flatbush http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rbillard/vital_statistics.htm c) 7 May 1752, Cornelius Van Brunt, Magdalena Fenten, Hindrik and Catherine Hindrikzon Records of Freehold and Middletown, GMNJ, vol 25, pg 47 d) 23 April 1732, Engeltje, Nicholas Van Brunt, Geesje Hendrickse, Hendrick Hendrickse Hendrickse, Aeltje Couwenhoven, GMNJ, vol 23, pg 68 e) 9 Feb [1734/5] Angenetje, Klaes Van Brunt, Geesjie s.v., Mathys Van Dyck, Angenetje s.v. [NYGBR vol 1982, pg 13] My note: Mathys was the brother of Catherine Van Dyck, wife of Daniel Hendricksen, Geesje's aunt. But there may be a closer relationship with Agnes. She may be the sister of Nicholas (see Van Brunt family: Genealogy of the Van Brunt Family by Teunis Bergen, pg 6 ). f) 23 Oct [1737] Geesje, Nicholas Van Brunt, Geesje [Hendrickse] s.v., Hendrick Van Dyck, Engeltje s.v. [NYGBR vol 1982, pg 75] My note: Hendrick Van Dyck, husband of Engeltje, may be the brother of Catherine Van Dyck, mother of Geesje. I have no evidence of that relationship at this point, but he was of Brooklyn when he died (as were his presumed parents), his oldest son was named Hendrick and he had a daughter named Jannetje: Abstract of wills on file in the Surrogate's Office, City of New York (Volume IV. 1744-1753), pg 366 ABSTRACTS OF WILLS LIBER 15. . Page 31 In the name of God, Amen, March 1, 1750/1, I, HENDRICK VAN DYCK, of the Yellow Hook, in the town of Brookiand, in Kings County, being at present in good health. I leave to my wife Engeltie the use of the dwelling house and kitchen where I now live, and the use of the garden and well, and the use of my best bed and furniture, and a cupboard and £10 yearly. Also, a negro girl and negro man, and sufficient fire wood and bread corn, and all necessary things for comfortable support, and three cows and household goods to keep house with so long as she continues my widow and bears my name, and no longer. I leave to my eldest son Hendrick £3 for his birthright. I give to my son, Hendrick Van Dyck, of the Raritan, in New Jersey, all that my farms or Plantations whereon he now lives, in New Jersey, containing 200 acres, with all buildings, and he is to pay £100 to my executors. I leave to my son, John Van Dyck, all my farm or plantation where I now live in Kings County, with all buildings, and he shall pay to my executors £600. I leave to my daughter Gertruy, the now wife of James Robinson, £200, and I leave to her daughter Janettie a gold ring. I leave to the children of Philip Van Arstate and his wife, my late daughter Jannettie, deceased, £200 (names not given). 1 leave to the child (not named) of my daughter Tryntie, deceased, late the wife of Tunis Denise, £150. I leave to my daughter Maria, wife of Geritt Boerum, £200. I leave to my son John my best wagon and my Great Dutch Bible. I leave to my grand son Hendrick, son of my son John, ffiy gun. I leave to my son John a negro woman and negro man, and he is to pay £100. My executors are to sell all the rest of personal estate, and after paying legacies the rest to be divided among my children, Hendrick, John, Gertruy, and Maria. I make my wife Elizabeth and my son in law, James Robinson, and my friend John Griggs, executors. Witnesses, Samuel Barrie, Dirck Bergen, Adrian Hegeman. Proved, October 30, 1751. Title: Abstracts of wills on file in the Surrogate's Office, City of New York (Volume XVI. Corrections to Vol.I-V) , pg 186 186 CORRECTIONS ABSTRACTS OF WILLS, VOLUME IV. PAGE 367. 13 lines from top and 12 lines from bottom for Gertruy read Gerritje Van Dyck. 16 lines from top for Philip Van Arstate read Philip Van Aersdalen. > Also, is there anything other than the circumstantial evidence (Daniel > Hendrickson and Hendrick Hendrickson, Sr. both living in Middletown and in > one case witnessing the same deed) that can demonstrate that the two > (Daniel and Hendrick) are brothers? There are several baptismal records where the witnesses are presumed siblings/half-siblings: (a) [1694, November 15]] Geesje; parents: Claas Van Dijk, Francijntje Hendricks; witnesses: Willem Hendrickse, Antje Staats. [First Book of Records of the Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, n, A.P.G. Jos van der Linde, pg 161] (b) Ditto 3 [3 Apr 1698] Klaas Van Dyck, Francyntie Van Dyck, Hendrick, Hendrick Hendrickse, Annetje Kros. Flatbush Church Records, Vol 1, David Voorhees, pg 452 My note: Annetje Van Eckelen, daughter of Geesje Brandt and wife of Hans Kros, was the half-sister of Francyntje. (c) 5 Apr [1708]. Hendricus. Claas Van Dyk, Fransyntie, parents. Witnesses: Antoni Rutgers, Antje Caros. . [First Book of Records of the Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, A.P.G. Jos van der Linde, pg 152] (d) 1703 Jun 23; Daniel Henderikse, Tryntie Van Dyk; Mayke; Anthony Rutgers, Antie Van Ekele [DRC of NYC, Robert Billard transcription] Though I have not seen it, there is DNA evidence (from a earlier post on this list) which shows that Daniel Hendrickson and Hendrick Hendrickson are descended from the same ancestor, so they are at least cousins. Mike Morrissey

Thanks Mike, As you stated, in comparing the indentures found in the Kings Co. Conveyances, it appears to me that the Hendrick Hendrickson who was married to a daughter of Achias Van Dyck (whether Trijntje or Susanna) was the same Hendrick Hendrickson who married Helena Cortelyou. His mark of a conjoined HH is found on both the indenture between the heirs of Achias Van Dyck of 7 Oct 1708 - See images 464 & 465 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-33187-18666-20?cc=2078654&wc=M9M4-2B6:n1177920415 and on an indenture along with his wife Helena, involving her son Jacques Tunise - See images 620 to 622 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-33187-17506-31?cc=2078654&wc=M9M4-2B6:n1177920415 (Now we do have to remember that the above images were copies of (presumably) the originals made by a clerk or copyist over a century (maybe closer to two centuries) after the fact, and so there may be errors on the copyist's part, but still it appears that the effort was made to reproduce the marks as they first appeared). I have not seen the original deeds regarding the Monmouth Co. property myself (I only have Hutchinson's abstracts that you cite). Accepting your conclusion that (based upon a different mark as viewed in the actual document) the Hendrick Hendrickson of Monmouth Co. is a different man then the Hendrick Hendrickson who married first a daughter of Achias Van Dyke and second Helena (Cortelyou) (Van Brunt) Denise, and that it is this Monmouth Co. Hendrick Hendrickson who was the father of Hendrick Hendrickson, Jr., and Geesje Hendrickson (wife of Nicholas Van Brunt), do you know who his wife was? In other words, who was the mother of Hendrick, Jr. and Geesje? Also, is there anything other than the circumstantial evidence (Daniel Hendrickson and Hendrick Hendrickson, Sr. both living in Middletown and in one case witnessing the same deed) that can demonstrate that the two (Daniel and Hendrick) are brothers? Thanks for the baptism record of Achias Van Dyck. If anyone is interested, the pre-nuptual agreement between Achias and his second wife Magdalena Hendricx is online in the same collection at Family Search, image 110 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-33187-17705-29?cc=2078654&wc=M9M4-2B6:n1177920415 Thanks for the help Chris Chester On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Michael Morrissey <mikemorr@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > Chris and Jeff, > > A few comments: > > Chris wrote: > > That Hendrick was married to both Trijntie Van Dyck and Helena Cortelyou > is > > likely based upon the comparison of his mark HH on various deeds, as was > > It is not clear from the deed which daughter of Achias Van Dyck Hendrick > Hendrickson married. She could have been > 1) Susanna, baptized 15 May 1679 at the DRC of Flatbush > 2) Tryntje, baptized 07 Oct 1680 at the DRC of Flatbush > 3) some other undocumented daughter (though that seems unlikely) > (see Flatbush Church Records, Vol 1, David Voorhees, pgs 391 & 401) > > Chris wrote: > > After looking at these possibilities myself, and looking through the > > various baptism, probate and deed records, it is apparent to me that the > > children Hendrick and Geesje, stated to be children of Helena Cortelyou, > > must instead be children of Trijntje Van Dyck, Hendrick's first wife. > > It is almost certain that Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown, NJ and > father of Hendrick and Geesje, is not the same person as Hendrick > Hendrickson, husband of Helena Cortelyou. > > 1) their marks are different. The mark used on the deed of the heirs of > Achias Van Dyck (a double H with no space between the Hs is used > consistently by the husband of Helena Cortelyou in various records. > However, the mark of Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown, NJ is a crossed I > and an H, as appears in a deed of on 1 July 1706 > to Jaret Schenck land purchased from Hendrick Van Dyck (more later on > that). Monmouth County Deeds, Vol E, > folio 120. > > 2) They lived in different places. > - Hendrick Hendrickson, husband of Helena, is of Kings Co in the 1708 > deed of the heirs of Achias Van Dyck. He is of New Utrecht in several > records from 1708 through the late 1720s, some cited earlier on this list > in a discussion on Hendrick Hendrickson. > > - Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown is mentioned several times in that > same time period as living in Middletown: > > a) 3 Apr 1701 Hendrick > Van Dyke of Kings Co., purchased land in Monmouth Co., NJ for £300 from > David > Stouut. As witness, Hendrick Hendrickse > made his mark, East Jersey Land Records, Abstracted by Richard Hutchinson, > Book 1, pg 366, on pg 119. > > b) 10 Nov 1705[?]. > Hendrick Van Dyke and Jonica, his wife, of Brookland Twp., Kings Co., > Nassau Island, NY sells > to Hendrick Hendrickse, of Monmouth Co., East N. for £300, for a tr. of > land in > Monmouth Co., at a place Called Romanis or Hop River, > beg. by Hop River at a point 90 chains from Obadiah > Browne's line. East Jersey Land Records, Abstracted by Richard > Hutchinson, Book 1, pg 366, on pg 119. This is the same land Hendick > witnessed the purchase of in 1701 and sold to Jarret Schenck in 1706. > > c) 13 Oct 1713. > Memorandum of Drift Ways. …several dift wasy in Middletown… Mohoras Run, > from Daniel to > Hendrick Hendrickson…Monmouth County Deeds, > Book D, pg 206, abstracted by Richard Hutchinson In Monmouth County New > Jersey Deeds, Books A, B, C and D, at pg 135. > > d) 1 Nov 1727. John Browne, Garret Schanck, & Daniel > Hendricks, Exec. of Will of Obadiah Browne, late of Middletown, Monmouth > Co., > NJ.....by land of > Hendrick Hendrickson, Sr., > Daniel Hendricks'.... > > > East New Jersey > Land Records, 1702 - > 1717, Books H, I and Little K, by Richard Hutchinson, at pg 215. > > Chris wrote: > > Also note that Hendrick Hendrickze and his wife, Trijntje (surname not > > given) had a child, Jannetje, baptized at Brooklyn, 29 May 1705. See: A. > P. > > G. Jos. van der Linde, Old First Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, New > > York: First Book of Records, 1660-1752. New York Historical Manuscripts: > > Dutch. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1983., p. 149. The > > witnesses for the baptism were Claas van Dijk and Jannetje van Dijk. > > (Jannetje van Dijk could be Trijntje Van Dijk's sister, while Claas van > > Dijk would be the husband of Francijntje Hendricks). > > > > It is not clear which Hendrick Hendrickson is the father in this record. > 1) As noted above, it is not certain which daughter of Achias Van Dyck > married Hendrick Hendrickson. > 2) Though they lived in Middletown, NJ, William Hendrickson had his son > baptized at the DRC of Brooklyn on the same day (same reference as above), > so Hendrick and William may have made the trip from Middletown together. > 3) The witness, Jannetje Van Dyck, could be the wife of Hendrick Van Dyck, > the same couple that sold Hendrick Hendrickson land in 1705 (see above). > The same Hendrick Van Dyck and his second wife, Engeltje, were witnesses > for Hendrick Hendrickson's granddaughter, Geesje, 30 years later, at the > DRC of New Utrecht: > > > 23 Oct [1737] Geesje, Nicholas Van Brunt, Geesje > [Hendrickse] s.v., Hendrick Van Dyck, Engeltje s.v. [NYGBR vol 1982, pg 75] > > What the relationship was between Hendrick Van Dyck and Hendrick > Hendrickson is not clear, but I think there is enough of a connection to > reasonably suggest that Hendrick Van Dyck's wife may have been the witness. > Thus neither witness may be closely connected to the family of Achias Van > Dyck. > > > One side bit of information: > The baptismal record of Achais Van Dyck was not included in the article in > the NYGBR (sorry, I don't remember the issue) about the baptismal records > of the children of Jan Thomas Van Dyck and Trynje Achias Haegen. The index > record of his baptismal record reads: > Gucken, Jan, Achemius, Trijn, Aachijmijus, 02-11-1642, Oude Kerk, > Hervormd, DTB 7, p.342 > I have not read the article, so I don't know if it explains the surname > "Gucken", but all the other baptismal records for his family use some > version of that name, e.g. Guecke, Geleken, Guertsz, Goiken, Gueken, > Geucksz. > > Mike Morrissey > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Chris and Jeff, A few comments: Chris wrote: > That Hendrick was married to both Trijntie Van Dyck and Helena Cortelyou is > likely based upon the comparison of his mark HH on various deeds, as was It is not clear from the deed which daughter of Achias Van Dyck Hendrick Hendrickson married. She could have been 1) Susanna, baptized 15 May 1679 at the DRC of Flatbush 2) Tryntje, baptized 07 Oct 1680 at the DRC of Flatbush 3) some other undocumented daughter (though that seems unlikely) (see Flatbush Church Records, Vol 1, David Voorhees, pgs 391 & 401) Chris wrote: > After looking at these possibilities myself, and looking through the > various baptism, probate and deed records, it is apparent to me that the > children Hendrick and Geesje, stated to be children of Helena Cortelyou, > must instead be children of Trijntje Van Dyck, Hendrick's first wife. It is almost certain that Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown, NJ and father of Hendrick and Geesje, is not the same person as Hendrick Hendrickson, husband of Helena Cortelyou. 1) their marks are different. The mark used on the deed of the heirs of Achias Van Dyck (a double H with no space between the Hs is used consistently by the husband of Helena Cortelyou in various records. However, the mark of Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown, NJ is a crossed I and an H, as appears in a deed of on 1 July 1706 to Jaret Schenck land purchased from Hendrick Van Dyck (more later on that). Monmouth County Deeds, Vol E, folio 120. 2) They lived in different places. - Hendrick Hendrickson, husband of Helena, is of Kings Co in the 1708 deed of the heirs of Achias Van Dyck. He is of New Utrecht in several records from 1708 through the late 1720s, some cited earlier on this list in a discussion on Hendrick Hendrickson. - Hendrick Hendrickson of Middletown is mentioned several times in that same time period as living in Middletown: a) 3 Apr 1701 Hendrick Van Dyke of Kings Co., purchased land in Monmouth Co., NJ for £300 from David Stouut. As witness, Hendrick Hendrickse made his mark, East Jersey Land Records, Abstracted by Richard Hutchinson, Book 1, pg 366, on pg 119. b) 10 Nov 1705[?]. Hendrick Van Dyke and Jonica, his wife, of Brookland Twp., Kings Co., Nassau Island, NY sells to Hendrick Hendrickse, of Monmouth Co., East N. for £300, for a tr. of land in Monmouth Co., at a place Called Romanis or Hop River, beg. by Hop River at a point 90 chains from Obadiah Browne's line. East Jersey Land Records, Abstracted by Richard Hutchinson, Book 1, pg 366, on pg 119. This is the same land Hendick witnessed the purchase of in 1701 and sold to Jarret Schenck in 1706. c) 13 Oct 1713. Memorandum of Drift Ways. …several dift wasy in Middletown… Mohoras Run, from Daniel to Hendrick Hendrickson…Monmouth County Deeds, Book D, pg 206, abstracted by Richard Hutchinson In Monmouth County New Jersey Deeds, Books A, B, C and D, at pg 135. d) 1 Nov 1727. John Browne, Garret Schanck, & Daniel Hendricks, Exec. of Will of Obadiah Browne, late of Middletown, Monmouth Co., NJ.....by land of Hendrick Hendrickson, Sr., Daniel Hendricks'.... East New Jersey Land Records, 1702 - 1717, Books H, I and Little K, by Richard Hutchinson, at pg 215. Chris wrote: > Also note that Hendrick Hendrickze and his wife, Trijntje (surname not > given) had a child, Jannetje, baptized at Brooklyn, 29 May 1705. See: A. P. > G. Jos. van der Linde, Old First Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, New > York: First Book of Records, 1660-1752. New York Historical Manuscripts: > Dutch. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1983., p. 149. The > witnesses for the baptism were Claas van Dijk and Jannetje van Dijk. > (Jannetje van Dijk could be Trijntje Van Dijk's sister, while Claas van > Dijk would be the husband of Francijntje Hendricks). It is not clear which Hendrick Hendrickson is the father in this record. 1) As noted above, it is not certain which daughter of Achias Van Dyck married Hendrick Hendrickson. 2) Though they lived in Middletown, NJ, William Hendrickson had his son baptized at the DRC of Brooklyn on the same day (same reference as above), so Hendrick and William may have made the trip from Middletown together. 3) The witness, Jannetje Van Dyck, could be the wife of Hendrick Van Dyck, the same couple that sold Hendrick Hendrickson land in 1705 (see above). The same Hendrick Van Dyck and his second wife, Engeltje, were witnesses for Hendrick Hendrickson's granddaughter, Geesje, 30 years later, at the DRC of New Utrecht: 23 Oct [1737] Geesje, Nicholas Van Brunt, Geesje [Hendrickse] s.v., Hendrick Van Dyck, Engeltje s.v. [NYGBR vol 1982, pg 75] What the relationship was between Hendrick Van Dyck and Hendrick Hendrickson is not clear, but I think there is enough of a connection to reasonably suggest that Hendrick Van Dyck's wife may have been the witness. Thus neither witness may be closely connected to the family of Achias Van Dyck. One side bit of information: The baptismal record of Achais Van Dyck was not included in the article in the NYGBR (sorry, I don't remember the issue) about the baptismal records of the children of Jan Thomas Van Dyck and Trynje Achias Haegen. The index record of his baptismal record reads: Gucken, Jan, Achemius, Trijn, Aachijmijus, 02-11-1642, Oude Kerk, Hervormd, DTB 7, p.342 I have not read the article, so I don't know if it explains the surname "Gucken", but all the other baptismal records for his family use some version of that name, e.g. Guecke, Geleken, Guertsz, Goiken, Gueken, Geucksz. Mike Morrissey

Jeff and Chester: Apparently my e-mail dated 8/12/2013 didn't post on the right mailing list. Anyhow I will repost it just in case: Jeff: Thanks for posting this important find on the DC mailing list. Michael Morrissey is the one who finally found the Kings Co., Land Conveyance the same week that the NY Land Deeds were posted online. I had previously searched the Kings Co. Grantee Grantor Indexes without finding any mention of the Achias/Agyas Janse Van Dyke land records mentioned both by William B. Aitken in his Distinguished Families of America p. 230 and by Teunis G. Bergen's Early Settlers of King's Co. p. 335. The will of Agyas Janse Van Dyke still remains undiscovered and perhaps was unrecorded. Most of Achias Van Dyke's children were baptized in the Flatbush, Brooklyn and New Amsterdam Dutch Reformed Churches and all of them list Jannetje Lamberts as the mother plus Lambert Van Dyke the 2nd oldest son was named after Jannetje Lamberts' father Lambert Hendrickzen Van Campen. The 1708 land conveyance also names Jacob and Janake Van Dyke for whom no baptisms have been found. Perhaps Janake/Jannetje may have been the Susanna who was baptized 16 May 1679 in the Flatbush Church. Thomas and Anna Van Dyke, known children of Agyas and Jannetje, are not mentioned in the deed probably because they were sill under the age of 21. It is also possible that Jacob was the Barent Van Dyke baptized 17 Oct 1687 in the Brooklyn Church. I have a couple of research articles I wrote on Hendrick Willemsz Van Barnevelt who is believed to be the father of Willem, Daniel, Hendrick and Francyntje Hendrickson that I can send you if you wish. The reason that this deed proves that our Hendrick Hendrickson was the same Hendrick that later married Helena Denys nee Cortelyou, as you mention, is because of the distinct HH mark (with the H's connected). The HH mark is also used on Monmouth Co., NJ Land deeds where Hendrick Hendrickson and Helena's son Jaques Deniss and Abraham Emans all of Monmouth Co. sell lands they have previously bought to Steven Aumack Recorded 29 May 1734 (Monmouth Co., Land Deeds 1697 - 1745, Vol H, pp 114-115). Hendrick purchased several Monmouth Co. parcels of land around 1720 with Helena's two sons Jaques and Tunis Denis/Denys before he moved from the lands on "Narrows" (that his wife Helena inherited from her father Jaques Cortelyou) to Middleton in Monmouth Co., NJ. They sold most of this land on the "Narrows" to Jaques and Tunis which are recorded in the Kings Co., Conveyances 1679 - 1736. Images 589-593 and 620. He also witnessed several deeds and purchases in Kings Co., with his HH mark such as 29 Apr 1724 land sale from Clas and Fransyntye Van Dyke to Joseph Hageman (Kings Co., Conveyances 1724- 1803 Vol 5. Images 7-8). Francyntje Hendrickson, wife of Claus Van Dyke is believed, to be the sister of Willem, Daniel and Hendrick Hendrickson who all settled in Monmouth Co., NJ at one time or another. The only other proof we have besides the 1708 land conveyance that Hendrick Hendrickson was married to a Tryinetje/Catherine Van Dyke was the baptism of a daughter Jannetje baptized in the Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, NY 29 May 1705 (Brookly DRCR, p. 498 Bergen): "Janetje d/o Henrdick Hendrickze & Tryntje, Claas Van Dyke & Jannetje Van Dyke witnesses Johannes s/o Willem Hendrickson & Willemtze Lane, Stoffel Schar & Geesje Van Heckel, Antoni Rutgers & Antje Caros witnesses." There can be no doubt that this is our Hendrick as Claas Van Dyck, the husband of Hendrick's sister Francyntje Hendrickson, and Jannetje Van Dyck are listed as witnesses. Plus Willem Hendrickson, Hendrick's brother, and his wife Willemtze Lane had their son Johannes baptized at the same place on the same day. Around the time of the marriage of Hendrick Hendrickson and Helena Cortelyou in 1708, Helena wrote a document in which she stated that her son Jacques Denyse and her son-in-law, Hendrick Van Louwres, should take the administration of her personal estate pursuant to an agreement made between her and her third husband, Hendrick Hendrickson. She decrees that all her children shall have equal portion in her estate, including the heirs of her son Nicholas Van Brunt who was deceased, whose heirs were to have one equal share of her personal estate. It was dated 4 Apr 1708 and later notarized the 27 Oct 1726 by Helena with her personal mark which was "H" (Reminisces of New Ultrecht and Gowanus p. 39). In the Kings Co. NY Conveyances 1679-1736 Vol 3, pp 137-138 part of Jaques Cortelyou Sr's estate is conveyed to his daughter, "Helena Tunisse widow and relict of Denyse Tunisse", the 12 Sep 1707 by her brothers Jaques and Peter Cortelyou and their wives. This indicates that Helena Cortelyou the widow of Denyse Tunisse married Hendrick Hendrickson sometime after this date while our ancestor Hendrick Hendrickson Jr. was born 11 Nov 1706. And what about Hendrick's sister, Geesje Hendrickson, who is listed as being born as late as 1710 by some historians? She married Nicholas Van Brunt and according to his 1760 Will they had three older children, Cornelius, Trynetje and Jannetje. Since the earliest known birth date we have for any of Geesje and Nicholas's children is Antje/Enjeltie, who was Bapt. 23 Apr 1732, then we must assume that at the least the three older children were born before this date pushing the marriage date of Geesje and Nicholas to around 1726 if not earlier. Since most of these early Dutch did not marry until around age 21 this means that Geesje probably was not born any later than 1705 so she may have been the oldest child as she was probably the first child to get married. Geesje never named any of her children Helena plus none of the children of Hendrick Hendrickson, including Geesje, ever received any of Helena Cortelyou's estate which would not have been the case had she been their birth mother. She did however name her oldest daughter Trynetje which would have been expected if her mother were Tynetje Van Dyke the daughter of Achias/Agyas Janse Van Dyke. Hope this helps and thanks once again. Del Leavitt Research Director of the Henry Hendricks Family Org. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CChester" <ccbnf1404@gmail.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Hendrick Hendrickson and Van Dyke Families > Jeff, > > "was Jannetje Lambertse the wife of Achias Van Dyck?" > > Achias Van Dyck was married twice and Jannetje Lambertse was his first > wife. There is no surviving record of their marriage, but the Flatbush > Protestant Reformed Dutch Church records among its members residing at > Gowanus, "Haggaeus Jansz van Dijk and wife Jannetje Lammerts." The date on > these lists is not entirely specific, but it is somewhere between 1677 and > 1682. See: David W. Voorhees, Records of the Reformed Protestant Dutch > Church of Flatbush, Kings County, New York, Volume 1, 1677-1720 (New York: > Holland Society of New York, 1998), page 337. > Baptism records of their children, Lambert, Susanna, Trijntje and Thomas, > which are found in the same above mentioned volume, record the mother as > Jannetje Lamberts or Lammers. > > Achias Van Dyck's second wife was Magdalena Hendricks, a widow of Cornelis > Vonk (1) and Minne Johannes (2). She was a daughter of Catharina > Cronenberg, and you can consult a recent article in the New York > Genealogical and Biographical Record, "Magdalena Hendricks, Wife of > Cornelis Vonk/Vonck, and her Mother Catharina Cronenburg, wife of Jan > Teunisen Dam," by Carolyn Nash in Vol. 143, no. 4 (2012), pp. 265-275, for > more on Magdalena and her family. > > "Has anyone seen the will of Achias Van Dyck?" > > The indenture, or conveyance, that you mention above, found in Kings Co. > Conveyances, Lib. 3, pp. 183-185 (copied from pages 279-280 of the > original), mention "by vertue of the last will and testament of Agyas Van > Dyck..." To my knowledge, this will, if it's location is known, has not > been published. It is not found in the probate records in New York County, > or at Albany. Kings Co. Surrogate's Court does not begin until 1787, and > some earlier wills can be found in the conveyance books, but I do not > believe that Achias Van Dyck's will has been located there. To my > knowledge, his will, if he fact did ever write one down, does not survive, > but I would certainly be interested to know if anyone knows of anything > different. > > Other material that should interest you regarding the rest of your post > are: > Henry B. Hoff, "Origins of the Hendrickson Family of Monmouth County, New > Jersey," NYG&B Record, vol. 106, no. 1 (1975) pp. 1-3. The conclusion here > is that the couple, Hendrick Willemsz and Gisseltje Bradt, had two sons, > Daniel and William, who in turn had two half siblings, Johannes and Antje > Van Eckelen, children of Gisseltje's first husband, Jan Jansen Van > Eckelen. > > It looks possible that Daniel and William had siblings Francijntje > (m.Claes > Thomasz Van Dyck) and Hendrick (m1. Trijntje Achiase Van Dyck, m2. Helena > Cortelyou). Absolute evidence for this assumption, to my knowledge, is > lacking. The theory that Francijntje and Hendrick are siblings of Daniel > and William is based upon a few sponsorships at baptisms. It should be > noted that Gisseltje's first husband died about March 1668, and both > Gisseltje and Hendrick Willemsz were dead by November 1677. So in his span > of roughly nine years, all four of these children (Daniel, William, and > presumed Francijntje and Hendrick) would have had to been born. That > Hendrick was married to both Trijntie Van Dyck and Helena Cortelyou is > likely based upon the comparison of his mark HH on various deeds, as was > mentioned in a follow up to your earlier post on this subject. > > Howard S. F. Randolph, "Ancestors and Descendants of Barent Hendrickse > Spier and His Wife Catalyntje Jacobs Hendricks," NYG&B Record, vol. 55, > no. > 4 (1924), pp. 314-330, makes a detour (as was a common trait of articles > found in the Record from this time) to examine the family of Jacob > Hendricks Hafte (Haften/ Hasten). At page 319, he claims that Hendrick, > the > son of Jacob Hendricks and his first wife, Geesie Bartels, bapt. 18 Feb > 1679 at Midwoud, L. I. (see above mentioned Flatbush records, page 390), > was the Hendrick Hendricksen who married Helena Cortelyou and assigns them > two children, Hendrick and Geesje (who married your Nicholas Van Brunt). > Randolph does not mention Hendricks marriage to Trijntje Van Dyck, and was > probably unaware of it. Randolph does not offer proof to the notion that > Jacob's son Hendrick and the Hendrick who married Helena Cortelyou are one > and the same. Helena's birth has been estimated at 1666 (Cortelyou > Genealogy, 1942, p. 67), so she is 13 years his senior (which does not > negate a marriage, but is not terribly common). > > Wilson V. Ledley and B-Ann Moorhouse, "Early Dutch Smiths and Van > Boerums," > NYG&B Record vol. 103, no. 2 (1972), pp. 65-75, picks up on Randolph's > account of the Jacob Hendricks family at page s75-77, and pretty much > changes nothing, does not supply any new evidence, and also does not > mention a first wife for Hendrick. They make the point that Hendrick > Jacobsen (Hendrick's own patronymic) was "also known as Hendrick > Hendricksen (using his father's patronymic as a surname, a common practice > of the time)." The authors accept Randolph's account that Hendrick married > Helena Cortelyou and repeat the same two children, Hendrick and Geesje. > > After looking at these possibilities myself, and looking through the > various baptism, probate and deed records, it is apparent to me that the > children Hendrick and Geesje, stated to be children of Helena Cortelyou, > must instead be children of Trijntje Van Dyck, Hendrick's first wife. And > at this point, in my own research, it is unclear just who Hendrick > Hendrick's parents are, either Hendrick Willemsz & Gisseltje Bradt, or > Jacob Hendrickse Haft and Geesje Bartels. I have not yet found anything > conclusive either way, although I'd tend to lean towards the former. And > it > may also be that the third option, neither of the two, is also possible. > > Also note that Hendrick Hendrickze and his wife, Trijntje (surname not > given) had a child, Jannetje, baptized at Brooklyn, 29 May 1705. See: A. > P. > G. Jos. van der Linde, Old First Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, New > York: First Book of Records, 1660-1752. New York Historical Manuscripts: > Dutch. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1983., p. 149. The > witnesses for the baptism were Claas van Dijk and Jannetje van Dijk. > (Jannetje van Dijk could be Trijntje Van Dijk's sister, while Claas van > Dijk would be the husband of Francijntje Hendricks). > > No baptism records are found for Hendrick and Geesje, stated to be > children > of Hendrick Hendricksen (by Randolph). > > Hopefully this was of some help to you. > > Chris Chester > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Jeff Ward <jjward@scgc.org> wrote: > >> The Henry Hendricks Family Organization recently found an important deed >> involving their Van Dyke and Hendricks/Hendrickson ancestors. It is from >> New York Land Records, Kings County Conveyances 1670-1736 Volumes 1-4. >> This >> is certainly supporting evidence for the conclusions they draw: That >> Hendrick Hendrickson was married to Tryntje Van Dyke, daughter of >> Achias/Agyas Van Dyke. The land described in the deed was received by >> inheritance from Achias/Agyas Van Dyke. Tryntje Van Dyke would probably >> have been a necessary signatory to the deed had she still been alive on 8 >> October 1708. In place of Tryntje, her surviving husband Hendrick >> Hendrickson is named in the deed. >> The remarkably well preserved deed is written in fine handwriting that >> is >> quite easy to read for modern readers. It is posted on the Family >> Search.org page. If you follow the instructions in the May 2013 Henry >> Hendricks newsletter (available online), you can easily find it. I will >> also send the link to anyone who requests it. >> What follows is a partial transcription of the document with the original >> spelling, capitalization and punctuation. >> "This Indenture made this sixth day of October in the seventh yeare of >> the >> Reigne of our Sovereign Lady Anne, Queen of great Brittaine france + >> Ireland, Defender of the faith dc Ammog Dom. 1708; Between Lambert >> Vandyck >> and Maryke his wife of the Citty of Newyorke, Jacob Vandyck Jannake >> Vandyck + Hendrick Hendrickse of Kings County on Nassaw Island in the >> Collony of New Yorke Johannes Koerte and Barbera his wife of the province >> of East New Jersey of the one part, and Hendrick Vandyck of Kings County >> aforesaid of the other part witnesseth, That the said Lambert Vandyck >> Hendrick Hendrickse Johannes Koerte and Barbera his wife by vertue of the >> last will and testament of Agyas Vandyck late of the yellow hooke soe >> called in the towneship of Broockland in Kings County aforesaid deceased, >> and forr and in consideration of the sume of three hundred pounds Currant >> mony of Newyorke to them by said Hendrick Vandyck at and before the >> Ensealing and delivery hereof in hand payd, the Receip! >> t whereof they doe hereby acknowledge and themselves therewith to be >> fully contented and satisfyed , and thereof and therefrom and of and from >> Every part and parcell thereof ffor Ever by these presents doe acquitt >> and >> discharge the said Hendrick Vandyck his heyres Executors and >> administrators; Have given granted bargained sold conveyed assured and >> Confirmed and by these presents doe give grant bargine sell convey assure >> and Confirme unto the said Hendrick Vandyck his heyres and assignes for >> Ever, All that messuage farme or plantation scituate lying and being at >> the >> yellow hooke soe called in the towneship of Broockland aforesaid formerly >> in the possession, tenure + occupacon of Agyas Vandyck abovenamed >> deceased, >> that is to say, the five parts shares and moyetyes of six of in and to >> said >> messauge, and bounded as followes viz. Beginning ..." What follows is a >> long legal description known as a monuments and markers legal >> description. >> For instance, part of the boundary is desc! >> ribed as so many chain links to the "white oake tree." My family had a >> property boundary dispute in Allegany County, New York, in the 1960s. It >> said so many chain links along the river to the old oak tree. By the time >> the dispute arose, the river had changed course and the oak tree was long >> dead. Other parts of the legal description refer to adjacent landowners, >> including Sharak Vandyck. Part of the property description is the >> boundary >> "between the townes of Broockland and Newutrecht." Another part borders >> the "commons of Newutrecht." The parcel is said to contain 108 acres. >> After >> a lot more repetitive legal language that sounds pretty familiar to the >> modern real estate lawyer, the document concludes with the in "witnes" >> whereof clause. It is signed and sealed by Lambert Vandyck, Maryke W >> Vandyck, her marke (which appears to be the W), Jacob Vandyck, Jannake X >> Vandyck, her marke, hendrick HH ( a very distinctive mark with the two >> h's >> joined) hendrickse, Johannes Koerte and Barbera Coerte, her marke. It >> was >> then sworn to before Henry ffilki! >> n, one of her "Majestyes" Justices of the peace October 6, 1708 and >> acknowledged again before the same justice of the peace on 23 Oct 1708 by >> Johannes Coerte and once again on 25 April 1709 by Barbera wife of >> Johannes >> Koerte and Maryke, the wife of Lambert Vandyck. >> This leaves me with a few questions that I hope someone on this list can >> answer. Was Janetje Lamberstse the wife of Achias Van Dyke? Has anyone >> seen >> the will of Achias Van Dyke? I am descended from Geesje Hendrickson who >> married Nicholas Van Brunt and settled in Monmouth County, New Jersey but >> I >> have searched the archives and have not found much information on this >> Hendricks/Hendrickson family. I did find an email posted by Pam Sears on >> 10 >> May 2012 where she said "The Hendrick Willemsen of Willemstatdt (and >> Rensselaerwyck) had married Geesje Alberts Bradt, and was the ancestor of >> the Hendrickson family of Monmouth County, New Jersey. " She also >> correctly >> notes that Hendrick Willemsen, baker of New Amsterdam had no male heirs. >> He >> is also an ancestor and I greatly appreciate the fine work Pam has posted >> online for Hendrick Willemsen. In a final note, I think the Henry >> Hendricks >> Family Organization has made a convincing case that the Hendrick >> Hendrickson who appears in this pos! >> t is the same person as the third husband of Helena Cortelyou, a subject >> that has been much debated on this mailing list. But they have now >> recognized that their marriage produced no offspring which is not >> surprising given the age of Helena at the time of her third marriage. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> This email transmission is confidential and may contain proprietary >> information for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. Any use, >> distribution or copying of this transmission, other than by the intended >> recipient, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, >> please notify the system manager at dherrera@scgc.org and delete all >> copies. Electronic media is susceptible to unauthorized modification, >> deterioration, and incompatibility. 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Jeff, "was Jannetje Lambertse the wife of Achias Van Dyck?" Achias Van Dyck was married twice and Jannetje Lambertse was his first wife. There is no surviving record of their marriage, but the Flatbush Protestant Reformed Dutch Church records among its members residing at Gowanus, "Haggaeus Jansz van Dijk and wife Jannetje Lammerts." The date on these lists is not entirely specific, but it is somewhere between 1677 and 1682. See: David W. Voorhees, Records of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Flatbush, Kings County, New York, Volume 1, 1677-1720 (New York: Holland Society of New York, 1998), page 337. Baptism records of their children, Lambert, Susanna, Trijntje and Thomas, which are found in the same above mentioned volume, record the mother as Jannetje Lamberts or Lammers. Achias Van Dyck's second wife was Magdalena Hendricks, a widow of Cornelis Vonk (1) and Minne Johannes (2). She was a daughter of Catharina Cronenberg, and you can consult a recent article in the New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, "Magdalena Hendricks, Wife of Cornelis Vonk/Vonck, and her Mother Catharina Cronenburg, wife of Jan Teunisen Dam," by Carolyn Nash in Vol. 143, no. 4 (2012), pp. 265-275, for more on Magdalena and her family. "Has anyone seen the will of Achias Van Dyck?" The indenture, or conveyance, that you mention above, found in Kings Co. Conveyances, Lib. 3, pp. 183-185 (copied from pages 279-280 of the original), mention "by vertue of the last will and testament of Agyas Van Dyck..." To my knowledge, this will, if it's location is known, has not been published. It is not found in the probate records in New York County, or at Albany. Kings Co. Surrogate's Court does not begin until 1787, and some earlier wills can be found in the conveyance books, but I do not believe that Achias Van Dyck's will has been located there. To my knowledge, his will, if he fact did ever write one down, does not survive, but I would certainly be interested to know if anyone knows of anything different. Other material that should interest you regarding the rest of your post are: Henry B. Hoff, "Origins of the Hendrickson Family of Monmouth County, New Jersey," NYG&B Record, vol. 106, no. 1 (1975) pp. 1-3. The conclusion here is that the couple, Hendrick Willemsz and Gisseltje Bradt, had two sons, Daniel and William, who in turn had two half siblings, Johannes and Antje Van Eckelen, children of Gisseltje's first husband, Jan Jansen Van Eckelen. It looks possible that Daniel and William had siblings Francijntje (m.Claes Thomasz Van Dyck) and Hendrick (m1. Trijntje Achiase Van Dyck, m2. Helena Cortelyou). Absolute evidence for this assumption, to my knowledge, is lacking. The theory that Francijntje and Hendrick are siblings of Daniel and William is based upon a few sponsorships at baptisms. It should be noted that Gisseltje's first husband died about March 1668, and both Gisseltje and Hendrick Willemsz were dead by November 1677. So in his span of roughly nine years, all four of these children (Daniel, William, and presumed Francijntje and Hendrick) would have had to been born. That Hendrick was married to both Trijntie Van Dyck and Helena Cortelyou is likely based upon the comparison of his mark HH on various deeds, as was mentioned in a follow up to your earlier post on this subject. Howard S. F. Randolph, "Ancestors and Descendants of Barent Hendrickse Spier and His Wife Catalyntje Jacobs Hendricks," NYG&B Record, vol. 55, no. 4 (1924), pp. 314-330, makes a detour (as was a common trait of articles found in the Record from this time) to examine the family of Jacob Hendricks Hafte (Haften/ Hasten). At page 319, he claims that Hendrick, the son of Jacob Hendricks and his first wife, Geesie Bartels, bapt. 18 Feb 1679 at Midwoud, L. I. (see above mentioned Flatbush records, page 390), was the Hendrick Hendricksen who married Helena Cortelyou and assigns them two children, Hendrick and Geesje (who married your Nicholas Van Brunt). Randolph does not mention Hendricks marriage to Trijntje Van Dyck, and was probably unaware of it. Randolph does not offer proof to the notion that Jacob's son Hendrick and the Hendrick who married Helena Cortelyou are one and the same. Helena's birth has been estimated at 1666 (Cortelyou Genealogy, 1942, p. 67), so she is 13 years his senior (which does not negate a marriage, but is not terribly common). Wilson V. Ledley and B-Ann Moorhouse, "Early Dutch Smiths and Van Boerums," NYG&B Record vol. 103, no. 2 (1972), pp. 65-75, picks up on Randolph's account of the Jacob Hendricks family at page s75-77, and pretty much changes nothing, does not supply any new evidence, and also does not mention a first wife for Hendrick. They make the point that Hendrick Jacobsen (Hendrick's own patronymic) was "also known as Hendrick Hendricksen (using his father's patronymic as a surname, a common practice of the time)." The authors accept Randolph's account that Hendrick married Helena Cortelyou and repeat the same two children, Hendrick and Geesje. After looking at these possibilities myself, and looking through the various baptism, probate and deed records, it is apparent to me that the children Hendrick and Geesje, stated to be children of Helena Cortelyou, must instead be children of Trijntje Van Dyck, Hendrick's first wife. And at this point, in my own research, it is unclear just who Hendrick Hendrick's parents are, either Hendrick Willemsz & Gisseltje Bradt, or Jacob Hendrickse Haft and Geesje Bartels. I have not yet found anything conclusive either way, although I'd tend to lean towards the former. And it may also be that the third option, neither of the two, is also possible. Also note that Hendrick Hendrickze and his wife, Trijntje (surname not given) had a child, Jannetje, baptized at Brooklyn, 29 May 1705. See: A. P. G. Jos. van der Linde, Old First Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, New York: First Book of Records, 1660-1752. New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1983., p. 149. The witnesses for the baptism were Claas van Dijk and Jannetje van Dijk. (Jannetje van Dijk could be Trijntje Van Dijk's sister, while Claas van Dijk would be the husband of Francijntje Hendricks). No baptism records are found for Hendrick and Geesje, stated to be children of Hendrick Hendricksen (by Randolph). Hopefully this was of some help to you. Chris Chester On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Jeff Ward <jjward@scgc.org> wrote: > The Henry Hendricks Family Organization recently found an important deed > involving their Van Dyke and Hendricks/Hendrickson ancestors. It is from > New York Land Records, Kings County Conveyances 1670-1736 Volumes 1-4. This > is certainly supporting evidence for the conclusions they draw: That > Hendrick Hendrickson was married to Tryntje Van Dyke, daughter of > Achias/Agyas Van Dyke. The land described in the deed was received by > inheritance from Achias/Agyas Van Dyke. Tryntje Van Dyke would probably > have been a necessary signatory to the deed had she still been alive on 8 > October 1708. In place of Tryntje, her surviving husband Hendrick > Hendrickson is named in the deed. > The remarkably well preserved deed is written in fine handwriting that is > quite easy to read for modern readers. It is posted on the Family > Search.org page. If you follow the instructions in the May 2013 Henry > Hendricks newsletter (available online), you can easily find it. I will > also send the link to anyone who requests it. > What follows is a partial transcription of the document with the original > spelling, capitalization and punctuation. > "This Indenture made this sixth day of October in the seventh yeare of the > Reigne of our Sovereign Lady Anne, Queen of great Brittaine france + > Ireland, Defender of the faith dc Ammog Dom. 1708; Between Lambert Vandyck > and Maryke his wife of the Citty of Newyorke, Jacob Vandyck Jannake > Vandyck + Hendrick Hendrickse of Kings County on Nassaw Island in the > Collony of New Yorke Johannes Koerte and Barbera his wife of the province > of East New Jersey of the one part, and Hendrick Vandyck of Kings County > aforesaid of the other part witnesseth, That the said Lambert Vandyck > Hendrick Hendrickse Johannes Koerte and Barbera his wife by vertue of the > last will and testament of Agyas Vandyck late of the yellow hooke soe > called in the towneship of Broockland in Kings County aforesaid deceased, > and forr and in consideration of the sume of three hundred pounds Currant > mony of Newyorke to them by said Hendrick Vandyck at and before the > Ensealing and delivery hereof in hand payd, the Receip! > t whereof they doe hereby acknowledge and themselves therewith to be > fully contented and satisfyed , and thereof and therefrom and of and from > Every part and parcell thereof ffor Ever by these presents doe acquitt and > discharge the said Hendrick Vandyck his heyres Executors and > administrators; Have given granted bargained sold conveyed assured and > Confirmed and by these presents doe give grant bargine sell convey assure > and Confirme unto the said Hendrick Vandyck his heyres and assignes for > Ever, All that messuage farme or plantation scituate lying and being at the > yellow hooke soe called in the towneship of Broockland aforesaid formerly > in the possession, tenure + occupacon of Agyas Vandyck abovenamed deceased, > that is to say, the five parts shares and moyetyes of six of in and to said > messauge, and bounded as followes viz. Beginning ..." What follows is a > long legal description known as a monuments and markers legal description. > For instance, part of the boundary is desc! > ribed as so many chain links to the "white oake tree." My family had a > property boundary dispute in Allegany County, New York, in the 1960s. It > said so many chain links along the river to the old oak tree. By the time > the dispute arose, the river had changed course and the oak tree was long > dead. Other parts of the legal description refer to adjacent landowners, > including Sharak Vandyck. Part of the property description is the boundary > "between the townes of Broockland and Newutrecht." Another part borders > the "commons of Newutrecht." The parcel is said to contain 108 acres. After > a lot more repetitive legal language that sounds pretty familiar to the > modern real estate lawyer, the document concludes with the in "witnes" > whereof clause. It is signed and sealed by Lambert Vandyck, Maryke W > Vandyck, her marke (which appears to be the W), Jacob Vandyck, Jannake X > Vandyck, her marke, hendrick HH ( a very distinctive mark with the two h's > joined) hendrickse, Johannes Koerte and Barbera Coerte, her marke. It was > then sworn to before Henry ffilki! > n, one of her "Majestyes" Justices of the peace October 6, 1708 and > acknowledged again before the same justice of the peace on 23 Oct 1708 by > Johannes Coerte and once again on 25 April 1709 by Barbera wife of Johannes > Koerte and Maryke, the wife of Lambert Vandyck. > This leaves me with a few questions that I hope someone on this list can > answer. Was Janetje Lamberstse the wife of Achias Van Dyke? Has anyone seen > the will of Achias Van Dyke? I am descended from Geesje Hendrickson who > married Nicholas Van Brunt and settled in Monmouth County, New Jersey but I > have searched the archives and have not found much information on this > Hendricks/Hendrickson family. I did find an email posted by Pam Sears on 10 > May 2012 where she said "The Hendrick Willemsen of Willemstatdt (and > Rensselaerwyck) had married Geesje Alberts Bradt, and was the ancestor of > the Hendrickson family of Monmouth County, New Jersey. " She also correctly > notes that Hendrick Willemsen, baker of New Amsterdam had no male heirs. He > is also an ancestor and I greatly appreciate the fine work Pam has posted > online for Hendrick Willemsen. In a final note, I think the Henry Hendricks > Family Organization has made a convincing case that the Hendrick > Hendrickson who appears in this pos! > t is the same person as the third husband of Helena Cortelyou, a subject > that has been much debated on this mailing list. But they have now > recognized that their marriage produced no offspring which is not > surprising given the age of Helena at the time of her third marriage. > > > > ________________________________ > This email transmission is confidential and may contain proprietary > information for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. Any use, > distribution or copying of this transmission, other than by the intended > recipient, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, > please notify the system manager at dherrera@scgc.org and delete all > copies. Electronic media is susceptible to unauthorized modification, > deterioration, and incompatibility. Accordingly, the electronic media > version of any work product may not be relied upon. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Henry Hendricks Family Organization recently found an important deed involving their Van Dyke and Hendricks/Hendrickson ancestors. It is from New York Land Records, Kings County Conveyances 1670-1736 Volumes 1-4. This is certainly supporting evidence for the conclusions they draw: That Hendrick Hendrickson was married to Tryntje Van Dyke, daughter of Achias/Agyas Van Dyke. The land described in the deed was received by inheritance from Achias/Agyas Van Dyke. Tryntje Van Dyke would probably have been a necessary signatory to the deed had she still been alive on 8 October 1708. In place of Tryntje, her surviving husband Hendrick Hendrickson is named in the deed. The remarkably well preserved deed is written in fine handwriting that is quite easy to read for modern readers. It is posted on the Family Search.org page. If you follow the instructions in the May 2013 Henry Hendricks newsletter (available online), you can easily find it. I will also send the link to anyone who requests it. What follows is a partial transcription of the document with the original spelling, capitalization and punctuation. "This Indenture made this sixth day of October in the seventh yeare of the Reigne of our Sovereign Lady Anne, Queen of great Brittaine france + Ireland, Defender of the faith dc Ammog Dom. 1708; Between Lambert Vandyck and Maryke his wife of the Citty of Newyorke, Jacob Vandyck Jannake Vandyck + Hendrick Hendrickse of Kings County on Nassaw Island in the Collony of New Yorke Johannes Koerte and Barbera his wife of the province of East New Jersey of the one part, and Hendrick Vandyck of Kings County aforesaid of the other part witnesseth, That the said Lambert Vandyck Hendrick Hendrickse Johannes Koerte and Barbera his wife by vertue of the last will and testament of Agyas Vandyck late of the yellow hooke soe called in the towneship of Broockland in Kings County aforesaid deceased, and forr and in consideration of the sume of three hundred pounds Currant mony of Newyorke to them by said Hendrick Vandyck at and before the Ensealing and delivery hereof in hand payd, the Receipt whereof they doe hereby acknowledge and themselves therewith to be fully contented and satisfyed , and thereof and therefrom and of and from Every part and parcell thereof ffor Ever by these presents doe acquitt and discharge the said Hendrick Vandyck his heyres Executors and administrators; Have given granted bargained sold conveyed assured and Confirmed and by these presents doe give grant bargine sell convey assure and Confirme unto the said Hendrick Vandyck his heyres and assignes for Ever, All that messuage farme or plantation scituate lying and being at the yellow hooke soe called in the towneship of Broockland aforesaid formerly in the possession, tenure + occupacon of Agyas Vandyck abovenamed deceased, that is to say, the five parts shares and moyetyes of six of in and to said messauge, and bounded as followes viz. Beginning ..." What follows is a long legal description known as a monuments and markers legal description. For instance, part of the boundary is described as so many chain links to the "white oake tree." My family had a property boundary dispute in Allegany County, New York, in the 1960s. It said so many chain links along the river to the old oak tree. By the time the dispute arose, the river had changed course and the oak tree was long dead. Other parts of the legal description refer to adjacent landowners, including Sharak Vandyck. Part of the property description is the boundary "between the townes of Broockland and Newutrecht." Another part borders the "commons of Newutrecht." The parcel is said to contain 108 acres. After a lot more repetitive legal language that sounds pretty familiar to the modern real estate lawyer, the document concludes with the in "witnes" whereof clause. It is signed and sealed by Lambert Vandyck, Maryke W Vandyck, her marke (which appears to be the W), Jacob Vandyck, Jannake X Vandyck, her marke, hendrick HH ( a very distinctive mark with the two h's joined) hendrickse, Johannes Koerte and Barbera Coerte, her marke. It was then sworn to before Henry ffilkin, one of her "Majestyes" Justices of the peace October 6, 1708 and acknowledged again before the same justice of the peace on 23 Oct 1708 by Johannes Coerte and once again on 25 April 1709 by Barbera wife of Johannes Koerte and Maryke, the wife of Lambert Vandyck. This leaves me with a few questions that I hope someone on this list can answer. Was Janetje Lamberstse the wife of Achias Van Dyke? Has anyone seen the will of Achias Van Dyke? I am descended from Geesje Hendrickson who married Nicholas Van Brunt and settled in Monmouth County, New Jersey but I have searched the archives and have not found much information on this Hendricks/Hendrickson family. I did find an email posted by Pam Sears on 10 May 2012 where she said "The Hendrick Willemsen of Willemstatdt (and Rensselaerwyck) had married Geesje Alberts Bradt, and was the ancestor of the Hendrickson family of Monmouth County, New Jersey. " She also correctly notes that Hendrick Willemsen, baker of New Amsterdam had no male heirs. He is also an ancestor and I greatly appreciate the fine work Pam has posted online for Hendrick Willemsen. In a final note, I think the Henry Hendricks Family Organization has made a convincing case that the Hendrick Hendrickson who appears in this post is the same person as the third husband of Helena Cortelyou, a subject that has been much debated on this mailing list. But they have now recognized that their marriage produced no offspring which is not surprising given the age of Helena at the time of her third marriage. ________________________________ This email transmission is confidential and may contain proprietary information for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. Any use, distribution or copying of this transmission, other than by the intended recipient, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the system manager at dherrera@scgc.org and delete all copies. Electronic media is susceptible to unauthorized modification, deterioration, and incompatibility. Accordingly, the electronic media version of any work product may not be relied upon.

Van Gent does not ring any bells? Gent is the city in which Charles Vth was born, and where Gravensteen became legendary. Since then, druppel kot etc became part of our heritage On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:01 AM, <dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Jan Ariansen van Gent (Renee L. Dauven) > 2. Re: Jan Ariansen van Gent (Renee L. Dauven) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Renee L. Dauven" <promine@web-ster.com> > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 18:32:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Ariansen van Gent > Thank you to Peter, Liz and David, > > With this information from the three of you, I'm going to continue > treating them as different names. So the "Jan Aertszen" who had > inter-actions with Albert Albertsen Terhune's son and step-son is probably > NOT the same man as the "Jan Ariansen" whom Albert Sr. hired as a > substitute. > Thank you for your help. > > Renee L. Dauven > > On 8/11/2013 7:16 AM, bomendal wrote: > >> RE: Jan Ariansen van Gent. David M. Riker, "Genealogical and Biographical >> Directory to Persons in New Netherland," lists Jan Arienszen and Jan >> Aertszen (family names: Harrison, Arrison, Aertsen, Aerson), but neither >> one >> would appear to be an exact match with Jan Ariaensen van Gent. I see no >> other possible candidates, however. >> >> David Smock >> ============= >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Renee L. Dauven"<promine@web-ster.com> >> To:<DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.**com <DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com>>; >> "New-Netherland" >> <NEW-NETHERLAND@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:53 PM >> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Ariansen van Gent >> >> >> Does anyone on the list have a clue who the Jan Ariansen van Gent of the >>> following document might be? Albert Albertsen is almost certainly to be >>> identified as Albert Albertsen Terhune. But who is the other fellow? >>> Can >>> Ariaensen be understood to be Aertsen or should they be viewed as two >>> seperate names? >>> Thank you for any help you maybe able to give. >>> >>> Renee L. Dauven >>> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Renee L. Dauven" <promine@web-ster.com> > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:09:23 -0700 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Ariansen van Gent > Mike, > > Oh...it is so tantalizing! > It would make his return at close to the time of the English > takeover. But if he left because of the English takeover, would he have > been likely to return to the now English Colony? > I found a "Jan Ariaensen" without the "van Gent" on the 1675 tax > roll for Boswyck. At the same time there is a "Jean Aersen" on the > Brooklyn list. > Jan Ariaensen, with or without the "van Gent", is proving to be > rather elusive. > Thank you for the most interesting information. Someday maybe it > will all tie together. > > Renee L. Dauven > > > On 8/11/2013 7:19 AM, Michael Morrissey wrote: > >> Renee, >> >> One possibility is that he was the son Aryen Van Gent and Maeyken Jans. >> >> Jacob Teunissen de Key married Hillegond Theunis Quick. In his marriage >> intentions at the DRC of New Amsterdam he was said to be of Tuyl. >> 1658 29 Mar; Jacob Toeniszen van Tuyl in Gelderlt; Hilletje Teunis, van >> N. Amsterdam >> [Robert Billard's transcription, online at http://homepages.rootsweb.** >> ancestry.com/~rbillard/vital_**statistics.htm<http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rbillard/vital_statistics.htm> >> >> Aryen Van Gent and Maeyken Jans were married at the DRC of Tuyl >> 2 Feburari 1640 (Trouwdag); Aryen van Gent, j.m. van Avesaet, Maeyken >> Jans, wedr van Aert Roelofse; >> >> They had at least 2 children baptized there: >> 1 December 1640; Dirck; Arye van Gent, Maeyke Jans >> 11 Mar 1644; Johannes; Aryen van Gent >> >> Dirck married Cornelia Florissen there and had at least 3 children >> baptized there: >> 14 Mei 1663 (trouwdag); Dirck van Gent, J.M. "van Tuyl", Cornelia >> Florissen "van Hermen" >> Februari 1664; Johanna Catharyn; Dirck van Gent >> 17 Mei 1668; Ariaentje; Dirck van Gent >> 20 Juni 1671; Adriaen; Dirck van Gent >> >> Johannes Van Gent may be the Jan Van Gent in the baptismal record from >> Tuyl below >> 25 Juli 1665; Ariaentje; Jan van Gent >> >> If he is the same Jan Ariansen Van Gent, then his time of service was >> short and he returned to Tuyl. >> >> Tuyl records are from FHL scans of index cards of the original records, >> online at: >> https://familysearch.org/**search/image/index#uri=https%** >> 3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%**2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99D-** >> H3F%3An1751338716%3Fcc%**3D2038506<https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99D-H3F%3An1751338716%3Fcc%3D2038506> >> >> The records at the church begin in 1639. Witnesses, if recorded, do not >> appear on the cards. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Mike Morrissey >> >> >> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:53:38 -0700 >>> From: promine@web-ster.com >>> To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com; NEW-NETHERLAND@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Ariansen van Gent >>> >>> Does anyone on the list have a clue who the Jan Ariansen van Gent >>> >>> To-day, the 30th of June 1663, appeared before me, Walewyn van der >>> Veen, Notary Public, etc., Albert Albertsen, living in the Village of >>> New Utrecht on Long Island, who declared that he had agreed with Jan >>> Ariansen van Gent, bachellor, who also appearing admitted to have >>> accepted as follows: he, the said Ariaensen, agrees to serve personally >>> as substitute for said Albert Albertsen as a soldier of the West India >>> Company in the present war against (p. 54) the Esopus Indians, according >>> to the proclamation by the Director General and Council of this Province >>> of June 25th last, for which said Albertsen shall pay him, besides the >>> usual pay and the booty to be found at the next harvest, or in his >>> absence to his cousin Jacob Teunissen Kay, Burgher of this City, >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------**- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@**rootsweb.com<DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com>with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> >> > > To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > >

Jeff: Thanks for posting this important find on the DC mailing list. Michael Morrissey is the one who finally found the Kings Co., Land Conveyance the same week that the NY Land Deeds were posted online. I had previously searched the Kings Co. Grantee Grantor Indexes without finding any mention of the Achias/Agyas Janse Van Dyke land records mentioned both by William B. Aitken in his Distinguished Families of America p. 230 and by Teunis G. Bergen's Early Settlers of King's Co. p. 335. The will of Agyas Janse Van Dyke still remains undiscovered and perhaps was unrecorded. Most of Achias Van Dyke's children were baptized in the Flatbush, Brooklyn and New Amsterdam Dutch Reformed Churches and all of them list Jannetje Lamberts as the mother plus Lambert Van Dyke the 2nd oldest son was named after Jannetje Lamberts' father Lambert Hendrickzen Van Campen. The 1708 land conveyance also names Jacob and Janake Van Dyke for whom no baptisms have been found. Perhaps Janake/Jannetje may have been the Susanna who was baptized 16 May 1679 in the Flatbush Church. Thomas and Anna Van Dyke, known children of Agyas and Jannetje, are not mentioned in the deed probably because they were sill under the age of 21. It is also possible that Jacob was the Barent Van Dyke baptized 17 Oct 1687 in the Brooklyn Church. I have a couple of research articles I wrote on Hendrick Willemsz Van Barnevelt who is believed to be the father of Willem, Daniel, Hendrick and Francyntje Hendrickson that I can send you if you wish. The reason that this deed proves that our Hendrick Hendrickson was the same Hendrick that later married Helena Denys nee Cortelyou, as you mention, is because of the distinct HH mark (with the H's connected). The HH mark is also used on Monmouth Co., NJ Land deeds where Hendrick Hendrickson and Helena's son Jaques Deniss and Abraham Emans all of Monmouth Co. sell lands they have previously bought to Steven Aumack Recorded 29 May 1734 (Monmouth Co., Land Deeds 1697 - 1745, Vol H, pp 114-115). Hendrick purchased several Monmouth Co. parcels of land around 1720 with Helena's two sons Jaques and Tunis Denis/Denys before he moved from the lands on "Narrows" (that his wife Helena inherited from her father Jaques Cortelyou) to Middleton in Monmouth Co., NJ. They sold most of this land on the "Narrows" to Jaques and Tunis which are recorded in the Kings Co., Conveyances 1679 - 1736. Images 589-593 and 620. He also witnessed several deeds and purchases in Kings Co., with his HH mark such as 29 Apr 1724 land sale from Clas and Fransyntye Van Dyke to Joseph Hageman (Kings Co., Conveyances 1724- 1803 Vol 5. Images 7-8). Francyntje Hendrickson, wife of Claus Van Dyke is believed, to be the sister of Willem, Daniel and Hendrick Hendrickson who all settled in Monmouth Co., NJ at one time or another. The only other proof we have besides the 1708 land conveyance that Hendrick Hendrickson was married to a Tryinetje/Catherine Van Dyke was the baptism of a daughter Jannetje baptized in the Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, NY 29 May 1705 (Brookly DRCR, p. 498 Bergen): "Janetje d/o Henrdick Hendrickze & Tryntje, Claas Van Dyke & Jannetje Van Dyke witnesses Johannes s/o Willem Hendrickson & Willemtze Lane, Stoffel Schar & Geesje Van Heckel, Antoni Rutgers & Antje Caros witnesses." There can be no doubt that this is our Hendrick as Claas Van Dyck, the husband of Hendrick's sister Francyntje Hendrickson, and Jannetje Van Dyck are listed as witnesses. Plus Willem Hendrickson, Hendrick's brother, and his wife Willemtze Lane had their son Johannes baptized at the same place on the same day. Around the time of the marriage of Hendrick Hendrickson and Helena Cortelyou in 1708, Helena wrote a document in which she stated that her son Jacques Denyse and her son-in-law, Hendrick Van Louwres, should take the administration of her personal estate pursuant to an agreement made between her and her third husband, Hendrick Hendrickson. She decrees that all her children shall have equal portion in her estate, including the heirs of her son Nicholas Van Brunt who was deceased, whose heirs were to have one equal share of her personal estate. It was dated 4 Apr 1708 and later notarized the 27 Oct 1726 by Helena with her personal mark which was "H" (Reminisces of New Ultrecht and Gowanus p. 39). In the Kings Co. NY Conveyances 1679-1736 Vol 3, pp 137-138 part of Jaques Cortelyou Sr's estate is conveyed to his daughter, "Helena Tunisse widow and relict of Denyse Tunisse", the 12 Sep 1707 by her brothers Jaques and Peter Cortelyou and their wives. This indicates that Helena Cortelyou the widow of Denyse Tunisse married Hendrick Hendrickson sometime after this date while our ancestor Hendrick Hendrickson Jr. was born 11 Nov 1706. And what about Hendrick's sister, Geesje Hendrickson, who is listed as being born as late as 1710 by some historians? She married Nicholas Van Brunt and according to his 1760 Will they had three older children, Cornelius, Trynetje and Jannetje. Since the earliest known birth date we have for any of Geesje and Nicholas's children is Antje/Enjeltie, who was Bapt. 23 Apr 1732, then we must assume that at the least the three older children were born before this date pushing the marriage date of Geesje and Nicholas to around 1726 if not earlier. Since most of these early Dutch did not marry until around age 21 this means that Geesje probably was not born any later than 1705 so she may have been the oldest child as she was probably the first child to get married. Geesje never named any of her children Helena plus none of the children of Hendrick Hendrickson, including Geesje, ever received any of Helena Cortelyou's estate which would not have been the case had she been their birth mother. She did however name her oldest daughter Trynetje which would have been expected if her mother were Tynetje Van Dyke the daughter of Achias/Agyas Janse Van Dyke. Hope this helps and thanks once again. Del Leavitt Research Director of the Henry Hendricks Family Org.

Mike, Oh...it is so tantalizing! It would make his return at close to the time of the English takeover. But if he left because of the English takeover, would he have been likely to return to the now English Colony? I found a "Jan Ariaensen" without the "van Gent" on the 1675 tax roll for Boswyck. At the same time there is a "Jean Aersen" on the Brooklyn list. Jan Ariaensen, with or without the "van Gent", is proving to be rather elusive. Thank you for the most interesting information. Someday maybe it will all tie together. Renee L. Dauven On 8/11/2013 7:19 AM, Michael Morrissey wrote: > Renee, > > One possibility is that he was the son Aryen Van Gent and Maeyken Jans. > > Jacob Teunissen de Key married Hillegond Theunis Quick. In his marriage intentions at the DRC of New Amsterdam he was said to be of Tuyl. > 1658 29 Mar; Jacob Toeniszen van Tuyl in Gelderlt; Hilletje Teunis, van N. Amsterdam > [Robert Billard's transcription, online at http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rbillard/vital_statistics.htm > > Aryen Van Gent and Maeyken Jans were married at the DRC of Tuyl > 2 Feburari 1640 (Trouwdag); Aryen van Gent, j.m. van Avesaet, Maeyken Jans, wedr van Aert Roelofse; > > They had at least 2 children baptized there: > 1 December 1640; Dirck; Arye van Gent, Maeyke Jans > 11 Mar 1644; Johannes; Aryen van Gent > > Dirck married Cornelia Florissen there and had at least 3 children baptized there: > 14 Mei 1663 (trouwdag); Dirck van Gent, J.M. "van Tuyl", Cornelia Florissen "van Hermen" > Februari 1664; Johanna Catharyn; Dirck van Gent > 17 Mei 1668; Ariaentje; Dirck van Gent > 20 Juni 1671; Adriaen; Dirck van Gent > > Johannes Van Gent may be the Jan Van Gent in the baptismal record from Tuyl below > 25 Juli 1665; Ariaentje; Jan van Gent > > If he is the same Jan Ariansen Van Gent, then his time of service was short and he returned to Tuyl. > > Tuyl records are from FHL scans of index cards of the original records, online at: > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99D-H3F%3An1751338716%3Fcc%3D2038506 > > The records at the church begin in 1639. Witnesses, if recorded, do not appear on the cards. > > Hope this helps. > > Mike Morrissey > > >> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:53:38 -0700 >> From: promine@web-ster.com >> To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com; NEW-NETHERLAND@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Ariansen van Gent >> >> Does anyone on the list have a clue who the Jan Ariansen van Gent >> >> To-day, the 30th of June 1663, appeared before me, Walewyn van der >> Veen, Notary Public, etc., Albert Albertsen, living in the Village of >> New Utrecht on Long Island, who declared that he had agreed with Jan >> Ariansen van Gent, bachellor, who also appearing admitted to have >> accepted as follows: he, the said Ariaensen, agrees to serve personally >> as substitute for said Albert Albertsen as a soldier of the West India >> Company in the present war against (p. 54) the Esopus Indians, according >> to the proclamation by the Director General and Council of this Province >> of June 25th last, for which said Albertsen shall pay him, besides the >> usual pay and the booty to be found at the next harvest, or in his >> absence to his cousin Jacob Teunissen Kay, Burgher of this City, > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you to Peter, Liz and David, With this information from the three of you, I'm going to continue treating them as different names. So the "Jan Aertszen" who had inter-actions with Albert Albertsen Terhune's son and step-son is probably NOT the same man as the "Jan Ariansen" whom Albert Sr. hired as a substitute. Thank you for your help. Renee L. Dauven On 8/11/2013 7:16 AM, bomendal wrote: > RE: Jan Ariansen van Gent. David M. Riker, "Genealogical and Biographical > Directory to Persons in New Netherland," lists Jan Arienszen and Jan > Aertszen (family names: Harrison, Arrison, Aertsen, Aerson), but neither one > would appear to be an exact match with Jan Ariaensen van Gent. I see no > other possible candidates, however. > > David Smock > ============= > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Renee L. Dauven"<promine@web-ster.com> > To:<DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com>; "New-Netherland" > <NEW-NETHERLAND@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:53 PM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Ariansen van Gent > > >> Does anyone on the list have a clue who the Jan Ariansen van Gent of the >> following document might be? Albert Albertsen is almost certainly to be >> identified as Albert Albertsen Terhune. But who is the other fellow? Can >> Ariaensen be understood to be Aertsen or should they be viewed as two >> seperate names? >> Thank you for any help you maybe able to give. >> >> Renee L. Dauven

The Hendry Hendricks Family Organization recently found this important deed involving their Van Dyke and Hendricks/Hendrickson ancestors. It is from New York Land Records, Kings County Conveyances 1670-1736 Volumes 1-4. This is certainly supporting evidence for the conclusions they draw: That Hendrick Hendrickson was married to Tryntje Van Dyke, daughter of Achias/Agyas Van Dyke. The land described in the deed was received by inheritance from Achias/Agyas Van Dyke. Tryntje Van Dyke would probably have been a necessary signatory to the deed had she still been alive on 8 October 1708. In place of Tryntje, her surviving husband Hendrick Hendrickson is named in the deed. The remarkably well preserved deed is written in fine handwriting that is quite easy to read for modern readers. It is posted on the Family Search.org page. Copy or right click the link below and you will find the recorded deed. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-33187-19452-49?cc=2078654&wc=M9M4-2B6:n1177920415 What follows is a partial transcription of the document with the original spelling, capitalization and punctuation. "This Indenture made this sixth day of October in the seventh yeare of the Reigne of our Sovereign Lady Anne, Queen of great Brittaine france + Ireland, Defender of the faith dc Ammog Dom. 1708; Between Lambert Vandyck and Maryke his wife of the Citty of Newyorke, Jacob Vandyck Jannake Vandyck + Hendrick Hendrickse of Kings County on Nassaw Island in the Collony of New Yorke Johannes Koerte and Barbera his wife of the province of East New Jersey of the one part, and Hendrick Vandyck of Kings County aforesaid of the other part witnesseth, That the said Lambert Vandyck Hendrick Hendrickse Johannes Koerte and Barbera his wife by vertue of the last will and testament of Agyas Vandyck late of the yellow hooke soe called in the towneship of Broockland in Kings County aforesaid deceased, and forr and in consideration of the sume of three hundred pounds Currant mony of Newyorke to them by said Hendrick Vandyck at and before the Ensealing and delivery hereof in hand payd, the Receipt whereof they doe hereby acknowledge and themselves therewith to be fully contented and satisfyed , and thereof and therefrom and of and from Every part and parcell thereof ffor Ever by these presents doe acquitt and discharge the said Hendrick Vandyck his heyres Executors and administrators; Have given granted bargained sold conveyed assured and Confirmed and by these presents doe give grant bargine sell convey assure and Confirme unto the said Hendrick Vandyck his heyres and assignes for Ever, All that messuage farme or plantation scituate lying and being at the yellow hooke soe called in the towneship of Broockland aforesaid formerly in the possession, tenure + occupacon of Agyas Vandyck abovenamed deceased, that is to say, the five parts shares and moyetyes of six of in and to said messauge, and bounded as followes viz. Beginning ..." What follows is a long legal description known as a monuments and markers legal description. For instance, part of the boundary is described as so many chain links to the "white oake tree." My family had a property boundary dispute in Allegany County, New York, in the 1960s. It said so many chain links along the river to the old oak tree. By the time the dispute arose, the river had changed course and the oak tree was long dead. Other parts of the legal description refer to adjacent landowners, including Sharak Vandyck. Part of the property description is the boundary "between the townes of Broockland and Newutrecht." Another part borders the "commons of Newutrecht." The parcel is said to contain 108 acres. After a lot more repetitive legal language that sounds pretty familiar to the modern real estate lawyer, the document concludes with the in "witnes" whereof clause. It is signed and sealed by Lambert Vandyck, Maryke W Vandyck, her marke (which appears to be the W), Jacob Vandyck, Jannake X Vandyck, her marke, hendrick HH ( a very distinctive mark with the two h's joined) hendrickse, Johannes Koerte and Barbera Coerte, her marke. It was then sworn to before Henry ffilkin, one of her "Majestyes" Justices of the peace October 6, 1708 and acknowledged again before the same justice of the peace on 23 Oct 1708 by Johannes Coerte and once again on 25 April 1709 by Barbera wife of Johannes Koerte and Maryke, the wife of Lambert Vandyck. This leaves me with a few questions that I hope someone on this list can answer. Was the wife of Achias Van Dyke Janetje Lambertse? Has anyone seen the will of Achias Van Dyke? I am descended from Geesje Hendrickson who married Nicholas Van Brunt and settled in Monmouth County, New Jersey but I have searched the archives and have not found much information on this Hendricks/Hendrickson family. I did find an email posted by Pam Sears on 10 May 2012 where she said "The Hendrick Willemsen of Willemstatdt (and Rensselaerwyck) had married Geesje Alberts Bradt, and was the ancestor of the Hendrickson family of Monmouth County, New Jersey. " She also correctly notes that Hendrick Willemsen, baker of New Amsterdam had no male heirs. He is also an ancestor and I greatly appreciate the fine work Pam has posted online for Hendrick Willemsen. In a final note, I think the Hendry Hendricks Family Organization has made a convincing case that the Hendrick Hendrickson who appears in this post is the same person as the third husband of Helen Cortelyou, a subject that has been much debated on this mailing list. But they have now recognized that their marriage produced no offspring. ________________________________ This email transmission is confidential and may contain proprietary information for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. 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Yes, I have had a look at the Alburtus article mentioned below, in The Connecticut Nutmegger. I had another look at the Milford, CT Vital Records records in the Barbour collection. There are actually three John Allen listed John, s. Sarah, bp. 1689    Vol. ES P. 238 John, s. Gideon, b. Feb, 19, 1682    Vol. 1. P. 19. John, s. Gideon, b. Feb, 19, 1682    Vol. OL. P. 40. My Jan or John or Johan Ellin or Allen (b. cir 1683) who married Johanna Anna Haldron was listed as from Milfort. If this is so then he was probably not the son of Jan John Aling and FrancynAlbertus. The two children of this couple that we know about were probably born in New York as that is where they were baptised in 1675 and 1677. I am assuming that Milfort refers to Connecticut! Marriages in the Reformed Dutch Church of New York. 1639-1801. P. 103 1705 den 18 Juny  Johan Ellin, j.m. Van Milfort, met Anna Haldrin, j.d. Van N. Haarlem; den 28 do. This suggests that I need to do some more research on Connecticut Allen families perhaps those involving Gideon Allen. Thank you for the suggestions. I am always open to new sources of information on my early New England and New York families. I am a bit sad that I am probably not related to Giulio Caesar (Pietro) Alburtus! Regards Edward Kipp http://americancanadianancestors.blogspot.ca/ http://kipp-blake-families.ca/ My family files are on World Connect   From the banks of the Ottawa River, river of the voyageurs! ________________________________ From: Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: ekipp@rogers.com Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33:56 AM Subject: re: Aling, Ellin, Allyne, Alewyn, or Allen families Edward: I realize that you are currently focused on the Alewyn, etc. branch of  your family tree but I wanted to make sure that you were aware of the following article: Dorothy J. Chance, "Alburtis, Alburti, Burtis," (20:752-754); The Connecticut Nutmegger. Glastonbury, CT: Connecticut Society of Genealogists, 1970-. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009.) Please contact me privately if you do have access to this brief article and would like a copy. With respect to John, have you already ruled out the potential matches from the vital and church records of Milford, CT? Perhaps more to follow... Perry www.perrystreeter.com >________________________________ > From: "ekipp@rogers.com" >To: "Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com" ; "new-netherland@rootsweb.com"  >Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:11 PM >Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Aling, Ellin, Allyne, Alewyn, or Allen families > > >Has anyone done research on the families of Jan Aling and FrancynAlbertus (cir 1654-  ) >and their son John Jan Aling (Allen) (either 1675 or > cir 1683 Milford, CT - 1720). >I would like to know if Jan and Francyn had more than two children, Jan and Judith. >I would also like to know if anyone has made the connection back to Connecticut families. >John Jan Allen and Johanna Anna Haldron should be my 6th Great Grandparents. >Regards >Edward Kipp

Renee, One possibility is that he was the son Aryen Van Gent and Maeyken Jans. Jacob Teunissen de Key married Hillegond Theunis Quick. In his marriage intentions at the DRC of New Amsterdam he was said to be of Tuyl. 1658 29 Mar; Jacob Toeniszen van Tuyl in Gelderlt; Hilletje Teunis, van N. Amsterdam [Robert Billard's transcription, online at http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rbillard/vital_statistics.htm Aryen Van Gent and Maeyken Jans were married at the DRC of Tuyl 2 Feburari 1640 (Trouwdag); Aryen van Gent, j.m. van Avesaet, Maeyken Jans, wedr van Aert Roelofse; They had at least 2 children baptized there: 1 December 1640; Dirck; Arye van Gent, Maeyke Jans 11 Mar 1644; Johannes; Aryen van Gent Dirck married Cornelia Florissen there and had at least 3 children baptized there: 14 Mei 1663 (trouwdag); Dirck van Gent, J.M. "van Tuyl", Cornelia Florissen "van Hermen" Februari 1664; Johanna Catharyn; Dirck van Gent 17 Mei 1668; Ariaentje; Dirck van Gent 20 Juni 1671; Adriaen; Dirck van Gent Johannes Van Gent may be the Jan Van Gent in the baptismal record from Tuyl below 25 Juli 1665; Ariaentje; Jan van Gent If he is the same Jan Ariansen Van Gent, then his time of service was short and he returned to Tuyl. Tuyl records are from FHL scans of index cards of the original records, online at: https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99D-H3F%3An1751338716%3Fcc%3D2038506 The records at the church begin in 1639. Witnesses, if recorded, do not appear on the cards. Hope this helps. Mike Morrissey > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:53:38 -0700 > From: promine@web-ster.com > To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com; NEW-NETHERLAND@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Ariansen van Gent > > Does anyone on the list have a clue who the Jan Ariansen van Gent > > To-day, the 30th of June 1663, appeared before me, Walewyn van der > Veen, Notary Public, etc., Albert Albertsen, living in the Village of > New Utrecht on Long Island, who declared that he had agreed with Jan > Ariansen van Gent, bachellor, who also appearing admitted to have > accepted as follows: he, the said Ariaensen, agrees to serve personally > as substitute for said Albert Albertsen as a soldier of the West India > Company in the present war against (p. 54) the Esopus Indians, according > to the proclamation by the Director General and Council of this Province > of June 25th last, for which said Albertsen shall pay him, besides the > usual pay and the booty to be found at the next harvest, or in his > absence to his cousin Jacob Teunissen Kay, Burgher of this City,

RE: Jan Ariansen van Gent. David M. Riker, "Genealogical and Biographical Directory to Persons in New Netherland," lists Jan Arienszen and Jan Aertszen (family names: Harrison, Arrison, Aertsen, Aerson), but neither one would appear to be an exact match with Jan Ariaensen van Gent. I see no other possible candidates, however. David Smock ============= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renee L. Dauven" <promine@web-ster.com> To: <DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com>; "New-Netherland" <NEW-NETHERLAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:53 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Ariansen van Gent > Does anyone on the list have a clue who the Jan Ariansen van Gent of the > following document might be? Albert Albertsen is almost certainly to be > identified as Albert Albertsen Terhune. But who is the other fellow? Can > Ariaensen be understood to be Aertsen or should they be viewed as two > seperate names? > Thank you for any help you maybe able to give. > > Renee L. Dauven > > To-day, the 30th of June 1663, appeared before me, Walewyn van der > Veen, Notary Public, etc., Albert Albertsen, living in the Village of New > Utrecht on Long Island, who declared that he had agreed with Jan Ariansen > van Gent, bachellor, who also appearing admitted to have accepted as > follows: he, the said Ariaensen, agrees to serve personally as substitute > for said Albert Albertsen as a soldier of the West India Company in the > present war against (p. 54) the Esopus Indians, according to the > proclamation by the Director General and Council of this Province of June > 25th last, for which said Albertsen shall pay him, besides the usual pay > and the booty to be found at the next harvest, or in his absence to his > cousin Jacob Teunissen Kay, Burgher of this City, 35 skepels of good > winter wheat, both parties binding for the performance of this agreement > their respective persons and property etc. etc. etc. > This is A the mark* > of Albert Albertsen, made by himself, > Louwerens van de Spighel > Cornelis Mychielsen Jan Aeryensen van Gendt > Quod attestor: Wal. van der Veen, Not. Pub. > > *(Note-RLD) The letter A is a large cursive style A. > [Source: Berthold Fernow., "The Minutes of the Orphanmasters of New > Amsterdam, 1655-1663". Francis P. Harper. New York: 1902. 2:53-54.] > >

These records have also been indexed as follows but the images are not yet available. Name: Vrederick Lubbertssen Spouse's Name: Stijntjen Jansdr Event Date: 03 Oct 1627 Event Place: Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00706-0 System Origin: Netherlands-EASy GS Film number: 113353 "Netherlands, Marriages, 1565-1892," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FN8Z-J4S : accessed 11 Aug 2013), Vrederick Lubbertssen and Stijntjen Jansdr, 03 Oct 1627. Name: Rebecka Lubbertsz Gender: Female Christening Date: 15 Aug 1628 Christening Place: Nieuwekerk, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands Father's Name: Frerick Lubbertsz Mother's Name: Stijntje Jans Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C90037-2 System Origin: Netherlands-ODM GS Film number: 113144 "Netherlands, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1910," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X18W-HC9 : accessed 11 Aug 2013), Rebecka Lubbertsz, 15 Aug 1628. THERE ARE ALSO THE FOLLOWING ENTRIES FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE FORGOING. NOR SHOULD THESE ENTRIES BE ASSUMED AS KINSMAN THEREOF. Name: Vrederik Lubbersz Spouse's Name: Hilletjen Dominekusdr Event Date: 02 Dec 1607 Event Place: Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00706-2 System Origin: Netherlands-EASy GS Film number: 113353 Citing this Record "Netherlands, Marriages, 1565-1892," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FN88-TQT : accessed 11 Aug 2013), Vrederik Lubbersz and Hilletjen Dominekusdr, 02 Dec 1607. Name: Vrederik Lubbertsz Spouse's Name: Susanna De Frennes Event Date: 24 Nov 1613 Event Place: Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00706-2 System Origin: Netherlands-EASy GS Film number: 113353 "Netherlands, Marriages, 1565-1892," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FN8D-XZX : accessed 11 Aug 2013), Vrederik Lubbertsz and Susanna De Frennes, 24 Nov 1613. Name: Fredrick Lubberts Birthplace: Jeveré Spouse's Name: Susanne Des Frennes Event Date: 02 Nov 1613 Event Place: Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M90125-4 System Origin: Netherlands-EASy GS Film number: 113402 Reference ID: V1001 "Netherlands, Marriages, 1565-1892," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FNCZ-SYX : accessed 11 Aug 2013), Fredrick Lubberts and Susanne Des Frennes, 02 Nov 1613. Perry From: E Johnson [mailto:iris.gates@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:14 AM To: perry@streeter.com; dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] 1627 marriage record in Amsterdam, of Frederick Lubbertsz I read this as 'of Amsterdam', but not necessarily born there. But this is an unusual record. Of all the marriage records of Amsterdam that I have seen --several hundred from the late 16th and early 17th centuries --I have never seen any other in which one of the parties produced or was required to produce a document of consent from the schepens and burgomeesters. I would like an answer to the question of why this happened, but I think we can only speculate upon the significance of it. Again, in many other records of marriage intentions in Amsterdam in this same era (last decades 16th and first quarter 17th centuries), if one of the parties was born elsewhere, the record often gives the number of years she or he had lived at their current residence in Amsterdam. Not always, but rather often. In these cases, the records usually say something like "9 ans woonende inde Warmoesstraet" (9 years living in the Warmoesstraat), or 2 ans woon~ opde Rokin. Here's Rebecca's baptism with witness name, in case anyone needs it: kind: Rebecka doopdatum: 15-08-1628 kerk: Nieuwe Kerk vader: Lubbertsz, Frerick moeder: Jans, Stijntje bronverwijzing: DTB 40, p.465 The baptism witness for Rebecca was Anna Jans [Stadsarchief Amsterdam (Dopen) DTB 40, p.465]. The SAA search engine did not find this couple having any other children in Amsterdam before or after this. Liz On 8 August 2013 08:18, Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> wrote: Liz & Chris: Thank you!  Perhaps you have already found--or now can find--more information in response to this old posting of mine on Frederick... http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2003-04/1051317 777 Does the marriage record imply that Frederick was a native of Amsterdam or simply that he was a resident thereof at the time of  his marriage? Perry

Without benefit of the marriage record recently shared by Liz which may identify Styntje Jans as a native of Ferwerd/Ferwert in the Netherlands (http://goo.gl/maps/a7bnJ), multiple parties have already identified the birthplace of Styntje Jans as Ferwerd: Steentje Jansen was born in 1602 in Ferwerd, Friesls, Netherlands. She married Frederick Lubbertsen about 1630. http://www.anusha.com/pafg392.htm Spouse: Steentje Jansen b. 1602 Ferwerd, Friesls, Netherlands http://family.hodank.com/blue/group11/f_182.html Name: Styntje JANSEN Given Name: Styntje Surname: Jansen 1 Sex: F Birth: Abt 1600 in Ferwerd, Friesland, Netherlands 2 http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=pbanks&id=I22719 Are there other primary records of New Netherland that identify Styntje Jans as a native of Ferwerd/Ferwert? Perry

Arnold J.F. van Laer treats Aertsen and Ariansen (also spelled Adriansen) as separate names. -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Renee L. Dauven Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:54 PM To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com; New-Netherland Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Ariansen van Gent Does anyone on the list have a clue who the Jan Ariansen van Gent of the following document might be? Albert Albertsen is almost certainly to be identified as Albert Albertsen Terhune. But who is the other fellow? Can Ariaensen be understood to be Aertsen or should they be viewed as two seperate names? Thank you for any help you maybe able to give. Renee L. Dauven To-day, the 30th of June 1663, appeared before me, Walewyn van der Veen, Notary Public, etc., Albert Albertsen, living in the Village of New Utrecht on Long Island, who declared that he had agreed with Jan Ariansen van Gent, bachellor, who also appearing admitted to have accepted as follows: he, the said Ariaensen, agrees to serve personally as substitute for said Albert Albertsen as a soldier of the West India Company in the present war against (p. 54) the Esopus Indians, according to the proclamation by the Director General and Council of this Province of June 25th last, for which said Albertsen shall pay him, besides the usual pay and the booty to be found at the next harvest, or in his absence to his cousin Jacob Teunissen Kay, Burgher of this City, 35 skepels of good winter wheat, both parties binding for the performance of this agreement their respective persons and property etc. etc. etc. This is A the mark* of Albert Albertsen, made by himself, Louwerens van de Spighel Cornelis Mychielsen Jan Aeryensen van Gendt Quod attestor: Wal. van der Veen, Not. Pub. *(Note-RLD) The letter A is a large cursive style A. [Source: Berthold Fernow., "The Minutes of the Orphanmasters of New Amsterdam, 1655-1663". Francis P. Harper. New York: 1902. 2:53-54.] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone on the list have a clue who the Jan Ariansen van Gent of the following document might be? Albert Albertsen is almost certainly to be identified as Albert Albertsen Terhune. But who is the other fellow? Can Ariaensen be understood to be Aertsen or should they be viewed as two seperate names? Thank you for any help you maybe able to give. Renee L. Dauven To-day, the 30th of June 1663, appeared before me, Walewyn van der Veen, Notary Public, etc., Albert Albertsen, living in the Village of New Utrecht on Long Island, who declared that he had agreed with Jan Ariansen van Gent, bachellor, who also appearing admitted to have accepted as follows: he, the said Ariaensen, agrees to serve personally as substitute for said Albert Albertsen as a soldier of the West India Company in the present war against (p. 54) the Esopus Indians, according to the proclamation by the Director General and Council of this Province of June 25th last, for which said Albertsen shall pay him, besides the usual pay and the booty to be found at the next harvest, or in his absence to his cousin Jacob Teunissen Kay, Burgher of this City, 35 skepels of good winter wheat, both parties binding for the performance of this agreement their respective persons and property etc. etc. etc. This is A the mark* of Albert Albertsen, made by himself, Louwerens van de Spighel Cornelis Mychielsen Jan Aeryensen van Gendt Quod attestor: Wal. van der Veen, Not. Pub. *(Note-RLD) The letter A is a large cursive style A. [Source: Berthold Fernow., "The Minutes of the Orphanmasters of New Amsterdam, 1655-1663". Francis P. Harper. New York: 1902. 2:53-54.]

Hi Regina, Have you ever looked at the baptisms in the Albany Dutch Reformed Church? Many of the children being baptized were less than a week old. I don't know when marriages were performed in the church. I have a relative who was married in the Schenectady Reformed Church in 1800. Richard

It would be helpful to know at what point in time marriages began to be routinely performed in the church buildings rather than in homes. Does anyone know whether the date differed in different denominations? I'm especially interested in the Episcopal and Dutch Reformed churches. And what about baptisms? Sometimes the infants were several months old by the time they were baptized, because a minister only visited a few times a year. Were the babes brought to the church on those occasions? And then at later dates when there was a pastor permanently assigned to the church - did he come to the home, or were the children brought to the church? We have been studying James Smith Haring II who married Elizabeth Wylde in 1884. They were both active in Episcopal churches - he at Christ Church in Sparkill and she at St. John's in New City. They were married by Rev. Mansfield from the Christ Episcopal church in Suffern and the marriage doesn't appear in any of the church records, but thankfully we came across a newspaper article which said they were married at the bride's home. Today her home address is definitely in New City, but back then it was often referred to as being Nanuet or "near Nanuet". Your comments will be much appreciated - thanks! Regina Haring Nanuet, NY