You are confusing two entirely different series (but that is easy to do). The Council Minutes which O'Callaghan mentions (1668-1783) are records of the Colony of New York. That council consisted of the governor and his advisors. The other records that you cite, which go up to 1831, are records of the City of New York, which involve the mayor and aldermen. ----- Original Message ----- From: <SMabie@aol.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Pieter Groenendyck > > In a message dated 2/10/2007 1:11:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, > hswain@ix.netcom.com writes: > > It appears that is a 2 volume set that covers only 1668 to 1673. > However, from the Preface of O'Callaghan's Calendar of English Mss. > it appears that the Council Minutes cover 1668 to 1783 in 28 ms. volumes. > I wonder if any more have been published. > > > > Howard, > > Yes, more have been published. Up through 1831. I found the latter two > sets at the New York State Library in Albany when I was last there (18 > months > ago). The first set is the two volume one (from 1668 to 1673). The > second set > (from 1675 - 1776) is on Heritage Quest and at the NY State Library. > According to the Heritage Quest index, they also have the third set > (1784 - 1831), > but I can't open them up. I complained about to Heritage Quest over a > year > ago, and they never responded. > > Here are the Heritage Quest descriptions from their index: > > Minutes of the Common Council of the city of New York, 1675-1776 : in > eight > volumes. > Publisher: Dodd, Mead, 1905, 3774 pgs. [Steve's note: this one works] > > Minutes of the Common Council of the city of New York, 1784-1831 > Publisher: [Steve's note: this one doesn't work] > > The really great news is that both sets are full name indexed (if I recall > properly, in the last volume of each set). > > The two gaps in these records are interesting. The first coincides with > the > Dutch re-taking the area, while the second is during the Revolution. > > Hope this helps. > > Steve > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi John, thank you for the information I do appreciate it very much!! I think I can put it together from what you have given me already. Thank you! Jean In a message dated 2/10/2007 9:04:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com writes: Hi Jeanne I think I found yourCharity Van Hoesen. I first realizsd that Charity would be an English equivalent for a Dutch name. I went through several files On the VanHoesens not in my darta base. This came from a file James Brady who is on this list, gave me in 2001-- his eata ran to about 90 pages, i have not tried to ad it to my files. Using his numbering system a Justis Van Hoesen (209) mrried a Willemje Bronk, daugher of Leendert Bronk and Willemje Van Hoesen, had a daugher Gerritje (3688) b June 4, 1781 bapt Jun 24, 1781 Zion Lutheran Church (Athens) NY This name could translate Charity. His line Jan Franz, Johannes, Johannes, Hendrick, Justis. Henrick mrried Anna Catherine Falkner Jan Franz dau Catherine Van Hoesen m Francis Hardick, Their son Willem married Anna Catherine Falknr their dau Anna Catherine married Hendrick Van Hoesen above. In the Johannes line he had the son Gerritt m Marytje Van De Kar, with son Gerritt of Preble, NY Johannes also had dau Willemje m Leendert Bronk parentsofcWillemje Bronk m Justice Vaan Hoesen above. If you liKe I can fill in more details, probably off list. It is long winded, When I came back with this I saw your Van Alstine connection. I have that family, too. I will look for possi Maria's. I did not find any Esseltines in my data base so far. There are many Maria/s JOHN C VAN BUSKIRK http://www.geocities.com/vanbus1/ jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com

Hello, all: Does anyone know of an adult record of Johannes Kerfbyl b-1718? He was the son of Johannes Kerfbyl and Margrietje Provoost; ward of Catharina Kerfbyl Van Alstyne; and possibly later the ward of Egbert Van Borsum. He was also the grandson of Dr. Johannes Kerfbyl of NYC? Dr. Kerfbyl, a graduate of Leyden University, was in NY by 23 Apr 1681, when he witnessed a baptism. He performed the high-profile autopsy of NY Governor Henry Slaughter, who died suspiciously in Jul 1691. Kerfbyl was a founding elder of Trinity Church, and died about 1704. The doctor's son, Johannes Kerfbyl ("Jr.") married Margrietje Provoost (recorded at the NY RDC on 23 Jan 1704). He was a merchant, lived on the north corner of Broad Street and Mill Street, and was active in Trinity Chu rch. He died in 1728 (a will abstract is at http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/1999-11/0942523887). He baptized three sons at the NY RDC, but the only one mentioned in the will was Johannes, (probably baptized 28 Dec 1718; a Johannes b-1712 presumably dy). Johannes ("III") was directed to the custody of Catharina Kerfbyl Van Alstyne (his sister) and Egbert Van Borsum (whose relationship I don't know). Catharina likely died between 1729 (when she baptized a son) and 1735 (when her husband, Matthew Van Alstyne, a merchant in NY, remarried). I think Egbert Borsum was the husband of Elizabeth Benson, but find nothing about him that indicates what happened to Johannes Kerfbyl. I have never seen an original record with the name Kerfbyl, so I can't say for sure that the "f" wasn't really an old-style "s", etc. Some church records show the name as Kerfbyle and Karbile. Any thoughts on the life or death of Johannes Kerfbyl "III" would be appreciated! Chris

Availability of ordained minister who could Administer the sacrament. Not all churches had ministers full-time, thus had to wait until one became available. I have ancestors who had all their children who were born during the Revolutionary War baptized the same day after the war was over. Tom Terbush -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of l. s. Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 9:32 PM To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kingston Church Ulster Co. baptisms Hello, I went to the online site for these baptisms for this church and while scanning, I noticed 35 baptisms dated June 20. Then I started checking and I would see batches of same date baptisms. A great deal of them were on Sept. 11. I realize these aren't the birth dates. It occurred to me that everyone with newborns, must have waited for some time to have these babies baptized. Or was that a custom of the church to do all new births at one time? It is just something that has got me curious. Does anyone know why this is? Leemae from Mi.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I went to the online site for these baptisms for this church and while scanning, I noticed 35 baptisms dated June 20. Then I started checking and I would see batches of same date baptisms. A great deal of them were on Sept. 11. I realize these aren't the birth dates. It occurred to me that everyone with newborns, must have waited for some time to have these babies baptized. Or was that a custom of the church to do all new births at one time? It is just something that has got me curious. Does anyone know why this is? Leemae from Mi.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Hi Jeanne I think I found yourCharity Van Hoesen. I first realizsd that Charity would be an English equivalent for a Dutch name. I went through several files On the VanHoesens not in my darta base. This came from a file James Brady who is on this list, gave me in 2001-- his eata ran to about 90 pages, i have not tried to ad it to my files. Using his numbering system a Justis Van Hoesen (209) mrried a Willemje Bronk, daugher of Leendert Bronk and Willemje Van Hoesen, had a daugher Gerritje (3688) b June 4, 1781 bapt Jun 24, 1781 Zion Lutheran Church (Athens) NY This name could translate Charity. His line Jan Franz, Johannes, Johannes, Hendrick, Justis. Henrick mrried Anna Catherine Falkner Jan Franz dau Catherine Van Hoesen m Francis Hardick, Their son Willem married Anna Catherine Falknr their dau Anna Catherine married Hendrick Van Hoesen above. In the Johannes line he had the son Gerritt m Marytje Van De Kar, with son Gerritt of Preble, NY Johannes also had dau Willemje m Leendert Bronk parentsofcWillemje Bronk m Justice Vaan Hoesen above. If you liKe I can fill in more details, probably off list. It is long winded, When I came back with this I saw your Van Alstine connection. I have that family, too. I will look for possi Maria's. I did not find any Esseltines in my data base so far. There are many Maria/s JOHN C VAN BUSKIRK http://www.geocities.com/vanbus1/ jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <chilipepper5454@aol.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Charity Van Hoesen married Richard MorrisEsselstyn > > In a message dated 2/10/2007 3:32:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > pspro1123@aol.com writes: > > Who are Richard's parents ?? > > > > His parents were; > > Name: Richard ESSELSTYN Given Name: Richard Surname: Esselstyn Sex: M > Birth: 2 Sep 1731 Death: 30 Oct 1783 > > and > > Name: Maria VAN ALSTINE Given Name: Maria Surname: Van Alstine Sex: F > Birth: 11 Jan 1744 > > Jean > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 2/10/2007 3:32:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pspro1123@aol.com writes: Who are Richard's parents ?? His parents were; Name: Richard ESSELSTYN Given Name: Richard Surname: Esselstyn Sex: M Birth: 2 Sep 1731 Death: 30 Oct 1783 and Name: Maria VAN ALSTINE Given Name: Maria Surname: Van Alstine Sex: F Birth: 11 Jan 1744 Jean

In a message dated 2/10/2007 1:11:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, hswain@ix.netcom.com writes: It appears that is a 2 volume set that covers only 1668 to 1673. However, from the Preface of O'Callaghan's Calendar of English Mss. it appears that the Council Minutes cover 1668 to 1783 in 28 ms. volumes. I wonder if any more have been published. Howard, Yes, more have been published. Up through 1831. I found the latter two sets at the New York State Library in Albany when I was last there (18 months ago). The first set is the two volume one (from 1668 to 1673). The second set (from 1675 - 1776) is on Heritage Quest and at the NY State Library. According to the Heritage Quest index, they also have the third set (1784 - 1831), but I can't open them up. I complained about to Heritage Quest over a year ago, and they never responded. Here are the Heritage Quest descriptions from their index: Minutes of the Common Council of the city of New York, 1675-1776 : in eight volumes. Publisher: Dodd, Mead, 1905, 3774 pgs. [Steve's note: this one works] Minutes of the Common Council of the city of New York, 1784-1831 Publisher: [Steve's note: this one doesn't work] The really great news is that both sets are full name indexed (if I recall properly, in the last volume of each set). The two gaps in these records are interesting. The first coincides with the Dutch re-taking the area, while the second is during the Revolution. Hope this helps. Steve

Who are Richard's parents ??

In a message dated 2/8/2007 11:37:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brady.j@att.net writes: In any event, Jean, some dates, like on gravestones, for the couple you cite would be useful. Jim Hello Jim, thank you very much for checking into this for me. I really don't have much to go on other than what was in the letter that I posted previously. I did find this posted at ancestry.com trees. Jean Richard Morris Esselstyn Born: 29 May 1778 Claverack, Columbia, New York, USA Died: 2 Oct 1822 Utica, Oneida, New York, USA Charity Van Hoesen Born: abt 1782 Hudson, [county], New York, USA Died: abt 1878

Hi Liz, From: "E Johnson" <iris.gates@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Pieter Groenendyck (was: Need New Term forTodays Relationships) > Hello Howard. Not surprised to see you on this. > > See Dr. Peter Stebbins Craig, "1671 Census of the Delaware" (1999, pub > Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania), pp 79-80. Dr Craig writes that > Peter Groenendyck was arrested in Manhattan in 1673 "for seducing > Maria de la Noy and Annetje Blanck, both of whom claimed to be > pregnant with his child." Craig gives these references: > "Minutes of the Executive Council of Province of New York" 1:169-75; > "Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, 43:50"; Baptisms, NY Dutch > Church (etc). > > Pieter Groenendyck was ordered to pay each woman 150 beavers as well > as a 75-beaver fine. > > I would like to know the location of the alleged NJ marriage to Maria > De La Noy, if anyone could come up with that through one of these > sources above Thanks. I don't think I've ever looked at those Minutes. It appears that is a 2 volume set that covers only 1668 to 1673. However, from the Preface of O'Callaghan's Calendar of English Mss. it appears that the Council Minutes cover 1668 to 1783 in 28 ms. volumes. I wonder if any more have been published. I would guess the alleged NJ marriage is shown in the GMNJ you cite. I'm curious about it, too, as it is not in the Bergen marr. records. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Hi Ed and Howard, > Abstracts of Wills Vol II 1708-1728 Liber 9, p 182 Page > 15.--Robert Hunter, Captain-General and Governor. Whereas JORIS > JACOB BOWMAN, of Breucklyn, in Kings County, died intestate, > Letters of administration are granted to his son, William Bowman, > and his grandson, Thomas Bowman, October 8, 1718. There was also a correction to the abstract above, reported in Abstracts of Wills, Vol XVI, Corrections Vol I p 172 PAGE 182. 4 lines from bottom for Joris Jacobs Bowman read Joris Jacobs otherwise called Bowman. Regards, Pam Sears

Hi Doris, You wrote: > Does anyone have descendants of Abraham Ten Broeck? I have a child, > John Tenbrook Bastion, b. 1848 in Paris IL, d. 1849 in Monrovia, > Liberia, where his parents were Methodist missionaries. I can't > find out anything about his mother, Sarah Miller, who was b. in > Davidson Co. TN in 1809 and ended up in Athens, Sangamon CO, IL, > where she married Nicholas Schermerhorn Bastion, the father of the > child, in 1835. Sarah Miller died in Monrovia six months after > her only child did, both of "African fever." N. S. Bastion was > descended from the Schenectady Schermerhorns on his mother's side. > On his father's side, he was descended from a German family who > were naturalized in Schenectady in the 1750s. I have always > wondered where John Tenbrook's middle name came from, as it sounds > like a family name. Can someone on the list help me with this, > please? Doris Waggoner > For what it is worth, there was a John Tenbrook, physician, born 1809 in Northumberland County, Pennsylvania, living in Paris (District 9), Edgar, Illinois with wife and family, according to the 1850 census (Series: M432 Roll: 105 Page: 202). He was the son of Andrew Ten Broeck (born Somerset County, New Jersey) and Eleanor Correy. If the Bastions had any contact with him (neighbor, associate or patient), they may have named their son after him. John Tenbrook's wife Jane was born 1821 in Giles County, Tennessee, and his children all in Paris, so he had been living there at least since 1841/42. The children were baptized at the Presbyterian Church in Paris [LDS Film #1305171]. This John Tenbrook was a descendant of the Somerset County (New Jersey) and Kingston, Ulster County (New York) Ten Broecks, and only distantly related to Abraham Ten Broeck of Albany. Regards, Pam Sears

Does anyone here have access to the will records of early New York. I am looking for someone who can look at the original records beginning on page 15 of Liber 9. I live in Oklahoma and cannot afford to make a trip to NY to do such a search. The letters of administration for Joris Jacobsen's (Bouwman's) estate are said to have been granted to his son William and his grandson Thomas on October 8, 1716. See Abstracts of Wills published by the New York Historical Soc., Vol 2, p. 182. The abstract is only 5 lines long; however, the original item began on page 15 of Liber 9,and the next item in the abstracts starts on p. 17. So perhaps there is more information about Joris between pages 15 and 17. The Grey Family book indicates that Joris Jacobse signed his name with a mark. The surname Bowman or Bouwman is reported to appear in those administration records. The book claims the papers state "Whereas Joris Jacob Bowman, of Breucklyn, in Kings County, died intestate..." The administration letters were signed by Robert Hunter, Capt General and Governor of NY & NJ.

Hi Ed, From: <Edbow@aol.com> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Estate records for Joris Jacobzen Bouwman > Does anyone here have access to the will records of early New York. I am > looking for someone who can look at the original records beginning on page 15 > of Liber 9. I live in Oklahoma and cannot afford to make a trip to NY to do > such a search. > > The letters of administration for Joris Jacobsen's (Bouwman's) estate are > said to have been granted to his son William and his grandson Thomas on > October 8, 1716. See Abstracts of Wills published by the New York Historical Soc., > Vol 2, p. 182. The abstract is only 5 lines long; however, the original > item began on page 15 of Liber 9,and the next item in the abstracts starts on > p. 17. So perhaps there is more information about Joris between pages 15 and > 17. > > The Grey Family book indicates that Joris Jacobse signed his name with a > mark. The surname Bowman or Bouwman is reported to appear in those > administration records. The book claims the papers state "Whereas Joris Jacob Bowman, > of Breucklyn, in Kings County, died intestate..." The administration letters > were signed by Robert Hunter, Capt General and Governor of NY & NJ. Your quote above beginning "Whereas Joris Jacob Bowman, of Breucklyn, in Kings County, died intestate,..." is from the abstract in WNYHS you cite. The abstract continues: " Letters of administration are granted to his son William Bowman and his granson Thomas Bowman." You don't have to go to NY. You can rent (for a few dollars) microfilm of the will liber from the LDS and view it at a Family History Center. There are 24 of them in Oklahoma (but one in an adjacent state might be nearer to you.) You can find them here: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp FHL catalog is here: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp The film you want of Liber 9 is #874518. This is of the 19th C. copy of the original will liber. The original has apparently not survived. You will probably have to make two trips to the FHC: One to order the film and the second to view it. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Does anyone have descendants of Abraham Ten Broeck? I have a child, John Tenbrook Bastion, b. 1848 in Paris IL, d. 1849 in Monrovia, Liberia, where his parents were Methodist missionaries. I can't find out anything about his mother, Sarah Miller, who was b. in Davidson Co. TN in 1809 and ended up in Athens, Sangamon CO, IL, where she married Nicholas Schermerhorn Bastion, the father of the child, in 1835. Sarah Miller died in Monrovia six months after her only child did, both of "African fever." N. S. Bastion was descended from the Schenectady Schermerhorns on his mother's side. On his father's side, he was descended from a German family who were naturalized in Schenectady in the 1750s. I have always wondered where John Tenbrook's middle name came from, as it sounds like a family name. Can someone on the list help me with this, please? Doris Waggoner -- "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> wrote: Thank you, Pam. I never thought about looking for Abraham Ten Broeck's papers at the New York Public Library. When I checked out the New York Public Library web site, I found a number of interesting things listed in the catalog. Thanks again, Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela J. Sears" <pjsears@stratos.net> To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Abraham Ten Broeck (1734-1810) > Hi Leslie, > > You asked: > >> Does anyone know if any of the papers or rent books of Abraham Ten >> Broeck >>> (1734-1810) still exist? If any of Abraham Ten Broeck's papers have been >>> preserved, would you please tell me where these documents are housed? >>> > > > According to the New York Public Library website, they have the following: > > The New York Public Library > Humanities and Social Sciences Library > Manuscripts and Archives Division > > > Of particular note is a memo book of Abraham Ten Broeck listing lands, > tenants, and rents collected, 1791-1808, in the Saratoga Patent, > Rensselaerswyck, Hoosick, and other areas. > > > Regards, > Pam Sears > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Ten Broecks were in Columbia County very early. Some of their records show up in the Albany Reformed Church in the late 1600's, but they senm to be based in the Livingston Manor area of Columbia County from other sources. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of doriswaggoner@juno.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:19 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Abraham Ten Broeck (1734-1810) Does anyone have descendants of Abraham Ten Broeck? I have a child, John Tenbrook Bastion, b. 1848 in Paris IL, d. 1849 in Monrovia, Liberia, where his parents were Methodist missionaries. I can't find out anything about his mother, Sarah Miller, who was b. in Davidson Co. TN in 1809 and ended up in Athens, Sangamon CO, IL, where she married Nicholas Schermerhorn Bastion, the father of the child, in 1835. Sarah Miller died in Monrovia six months after her only child did, both of "African fever." N. S. Bastion was descended from the Schenectady Schermerhorns on his mother's side. On his father's side, he was descended from a German family who were naturalized in Schenectady in the 1750s. I have always wondered where John Tenbrook's middle name came from, as it sounds like a family name. Can someone on the list help me with this, please? Doris Waggoner -- "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> wrote: Thank you, Pam. I never thought about looking for Abraham Ten Broeck's papers at the New York Public Library. When I checked out the New York Public Library web site, I found a number of interesting things listed in the catalog. Thanks again, Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela J. Sears" <pjsears@stratos.net> To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Abraham Ten Broeck (1734-1810) > Hi Leslie, > > You asked: > >> Does anyone know if any of the papers or rent books of Abraham Ten >> Broeck >>> (1734-1810) still exist? If any of Abraham Ten Broeck's papers have been >>> preserved, would you please tell me where these documents are housed? >>> > > > According to the New York Public Library website, they have the following: > > The New York Public Library > Humanities and Social Sciences Library > Manuscripts and Archives Division > > > Of particular note is a memo book of Abraham Ten Broeck listing lands, > tenants, and rents collected, 1791-1808, in the Saratoga Patent, > Rensselaerswyck, Hoosick, and other areas. > > > Regards, > Pam Sears > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well here's Richard Morris Esselsteyn Claverack Reformed, Columbia County, NY baptism, pg. 50, #1083, 1778, 6.21. Richard Morris, born 5.29, of Richard Esselstyn and Maria van Aalsteen. Sponsors Richard Morris, Sarah Lettlow. And this might, repeat might, but not assuredly, be Charity Van Hoesen Athens Lutheran, Greene County, NY baptism, pg. 143, #2925, 1781, 6.24. Gerritge, born 6.4, of Justus {H.} V Hoesen and Wilhelmtge [Bronk, by my knowledge]. Sponsors Henrich V Hoesen, and wife Gertge V Hoesen. I don't see a better candidate. Although I may well have missed one in my research. Assuming for the moment that I've picked the correct woman than this from History of Columbia County, New York with Illustrations and Biographical Sketches of Some of its Prominent Men and Pioneers, pg. 180, is relevant "Justus H. Van Hoesen and his wife, Janneke (whose residence stood on the present site of Daniel Limbrick's house), came to their deaths in a tragic manner, which created very great excitement in the city [Hudson City] and vicinity. They were seized with sudden and violent sickness in the morning of Feb. 4, 1794, from the effects of which Mr. Van Hoesen died the same evening, and his wife, after five days of agony, died in the morning of the 10th. It was found that beyond doubt their deaths were caused by arsenic taken accidentally, but how taken was never discovered, though the general belief at the time was that it had by some means become mixed with a preparation of flowers of sulphur, which they were taking as an alterative. They were buried in this old grave-yard [Van Hoesen and Hyatt burying-ground, situated on the southerly side of the old country road, a short distance east of the ferry. Its location was on sloping ground in an orchard owned by the above.], and fourty-four years afterwards, when the ground was taken for the opening of Allen street, their remains, with others, were transferred to the [Hudson City] cemetery." I'm still working on this, but the above seems to apply. That hinges on the first wife, Gerretge's mother, dying and Justus H. Van Hoesen remarrying to his first cousin Janneke Van Hoesen. In any event, Jean, some dates, like on gravestones, for the couple you cite would be useful. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of chilipepper5454@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:24 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Charity Van Hoesen married Richard Morris Esselstyn I found this sweet letter in a book and typed it up anyone know who the Charity Van Hoesen's parents were? I found one reference at Ancestry.com trees that listed her as Mary Charity Van Hoosen but none had her parents listed. I found her marriage at ancestry.com Vital Records of Eastern New York, 1777-1834 Richard Morris Esselstyn married Charity Van Hoesen 7/4/1803 by Rev. Judd Genealogical and family history of the county of Jefferson, New York New York: Lewis Pub. Co., 1905 Page 666 Mrs. Delia (Esselstyn) Lee, mother of Morris E. Lee, was born at Claverac, Columbia County, New York, a daughter of Richard Morris and Charity (Van Hoesen) Esselstyn, the latter named being a native of Clarevac. While attending school at Claverac, the following letter was written by Mrs. Lee to her parents, who resided at Cape Vincent, where her father served as postmaster. It was directed to Richard M. Esselstyn, Postmaster, St. Lawrence, Cape Vincent, New York, The letter is dated Hudson, N.Y., July 27, 1818: “My Dear Parents: To you with pleasure, my Dear Parents, I again embrace the offered opportunity of writing a few lines. Through a kind Providence, whose surrounding care watches us at all times, we are all in good health, except Aunt Mary, who is quite unwell. I was out at my uncle’s at Claverac last Saturday. They were all in good health, and I also went to church. Saw them partake in the Sacrament. I returned on Monday morning so as to be at school in season. Richard Esselstyn lives in Hudson. He studies at Dr. Whiles. I am glad to hear that mother and father expect to come down the first of September. I am in hopes you will bring Mary with you, for I long to see her and all the rest as much. Give my love to Uncle and Aunt Nash, and to Uncle John’s family, and take a great share of it yourselves. Oh, my Mother, how I long to see you: I hope you will not fail of coming down. Uncle Hyat and Aunt Catherine desire to be remembered to thee, and also Uncle and Aunt Mary join with me in love to all. Adieu my Dear Parents. Your dutiful child. Delia E. Esselstyn Richard M. Esselstyn was of Dutch ancestry, and was a prominent citizen of Cape Vincent before the war of 1812. In his last days he participated in a historic event, being a passenger on the initial trip of the first steamboat on the Hudson River or any waters, the invention of Robert Fulton. This was on his way home from a trip to New York, where he went to purchase good for his store. The journey from this point to Albany was made on horseback. While returning he was stricken with smallpox, and died at Albany, before 1825. Thanks, Jean ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I found this sweet letter in a book and typed it up anyone know who the Charity Van Hoesen's parents were? I found one reference at Ancestry.com trees that listed her as Mary Charity Van Hoosen but none had her parents listed. I found her marriage at ancestry.com Vital Records of Eastern New York, 1777-1834 Richard Morris Esselstyn married Charity Van Hoesen 7/4/1803 by Rev. Judd Genealogical and family history of the county of Jefferson, New York New York: Lewis Pub. Co., 1905 Page 666 Mrs. Delia (Esselstyn) Lee, mother of Morris E. Lee, was born at Claverac, Columbia County, New York, a daughter of Richard Morris and Charity (Van Hoesen) Esselstyn, the latter named being a native of Clarevac. While attending school at Claverac, the following letter was written by Mrs. Lee to her parents, who resided at Cape Vincent, where her father served as postmaster. It was directed to Richard M. Esselstyn, Postmaster, St. Lawrence, Cape Vincent, New York, The letter is dated Hudson, N.Y., July 27, 1818: “My Dear Parents: To you with pleasure, my Dear Parents, I again embrace the offered opportunity of writing a few lines. Through a kind Providence, whose surrounding care watches us at all times, we are all in good health, except Aunt Mary, who is quite unwell. I was out at my uncle’s at Claverac last Saturday. They were all in good health, and I also went to church. Saw them partake in the Sacrament. I returned on Monday morning so as to be at school in season. Richard Esselstyn lives in Hudson. He studies at Dr. Whiles. I am glad to hear that mother and father expect to come down the first of September. I am in hopes you will bring Mary with you, for I long to see her and all the rest as much. Give my love to Uncle and Aunt Nash, and to Uncle John’s family, and take a great share of it yourselves. Oh, my Mother, how I long to see you: I hope you will not fail of coming down. Uncle Hyat and Aunt Catherine desire to be remembered to thee, and also Uncle and Aunt Mary join with me in love to all. Adieu my Dear Parents. Your dutiful child. Delia E. Esselstyn Richard M. Esselstyn was of Dutch ancestry, and was a prominent citizen of Cape Vincent before the war of 1812. In his last days he participated in a historic event, being a passenger on the initial trip of the first steamboat on the Hudson River or any waters, the invention of Robert Fulton. This was on his way home from a trip to New York, where he went to purchase good for his store. The journey from this point to Albany was made on horseback. While returning he was stricken with smallpox, and died at Albany, before 1825. Thanks, Jean