Hello! Thanks to all for the replies to my query about Jan Dirksz VanArnhem. It is very much appreciated. I have a Hester Douwse Fonda listed as a wife for Jan Janse VanArnhem. She was born 1677 in Albany, New York and died 1 April 1708 in NY. Was she the second wife of Jan? I have their marriage date as 14 Oct. 1696 in Albany. Jans was also married to Sarah Theunis 28 June 1664. Thanks Ethel, for the dates on the children of Jan Dirkzen and Sara Theunis. This is wonderful information! Regards, Sandra VanOrman

I don't know you, but read your message and I have a Fonda family. Wyntie Brickers parents were Geertie Fonda and Jan Brickers. Geerties father was Gilllis Douwese Fonda, b 1616. This info is from Elsa Banta's book "The Banta Family". I would love to have the Fonda information. Donna Stark, descended from the Montfort/Vories/Banta and other Dutch families. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Hayes" <RAHayes@chartermi.net> To: "List, Dutch Colonies, " <DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Dirksen Van Arnhem > Hi Sandra, > > You will find some information on Jan Dirksen Van Arnhem at > http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi If you enter his name and a 1640 > birthdate you will see him listed 6 times. There is also information about > the Van Arnhem family in Jonathan Pearson's Albany book. If I knew the > names of Hester Fonda's parents, I coud probably give you the Fonda line > back to 1500. Hester married Jan Janse Van Arnhem, a son of Jan Dirksen. > > Richard > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Bob, Beyond a website entry which may posibly have some confusing dates, the only mention I have seen of that specific name was the inscription on the monument at the Hack burying ground, located at "Fairview" which is said to be near Craddocksville, Virginia, south of Keller, in Accomack County -- on the Eastern Shore. The inscription was recorded by Whitelaw as I previously posted. We're working on it, but I am still dubious. So far, nobody can come up with any documentation on this person, beyond this inscription on a monument which was erected hundreds of years after she supposedly lived. IF "Anna Leisler HERMAN" was indeed a sister of Augustine, she would have to be born before about 1620. Will come back here with anything solid that can be found. Best, Liz J

Thank you Regina. Appreciate the explanation about the Hussites. I hadn't found time yet to dig into that. > Grietje Cosyn's (later Haring) first husband Harmen Theuniszen worked for > Augustine Herman. Harmen Theuniszen only appears in the records at his > marriage to Grietje in 1654 and in reference to working for Harmen > Theuniszen. Grietje was widowed and able to marry Jan Pieterse Haring by > 1662, but we don't know anything about Harmen Theuniszen's death and I have > wondered if he had perhaps followed Augustine Hermann south. Well, could be. I will add him to my "wanted" list and see what comes up. Maryland archives, which also include parts of what are now Delaware and Virginia, are online, and searchable, which helps very much in some cases. Some records of Maryland date back to the 1630's. > Harmen Theuniszen only appears in the records at his > marriage to Grietje in 1654 and in reference to working for Harmen > Theuniszen. Er --I think you mean to say that Harmen Theuniszen was working for Augustine Herman, which you wrote in the precious paragraph. May I ask in what capacity he worked for Augustine Herman? Also --if you know who was Harmen Theuniszen's father, please let me know. I'm looking into some business records about tobacco deals in this era and would be interested to see if this man or his family fits into that sort of business. Thank you again, I'll see if I can find anything on Harmen Theuniszen farther south. Best wishes, Liz J

Hi Sandra, Welcome to the Dutch Colonies list. You wrote <I'm a newbie to this list. I'm trying to find information on my ancestor, Jan Dirksz VanArnhem, who was born 1640 in Arnhem, Gelderland, the Netherlands. According to the LDS Ancestral File, he was married to Sarah Teunis 28 June 1664. They had eight children, all born in the Netherlands> Your ancestors Jan Dirckszen Van Aernum and Sara Theunis were married in this country. They also had eight children born and baptized in this country. Their marriage banns on 28 June 1664 tells us where they were van/from. "Jan Dirckszen Van Aernhem, Soldaet, en Sara Theuniszen, j.d. Van Rotterdam." He is a soldier from Arnhem and she is from Rotterdam. Their marriage banns are entered in the New Amsterdam Dutch Church which became the New York Dutch Church after the English takeover on 8 Sept 1664. They had the following children all baptized in the New York DRCh. Dirckje, baptized 31 Dec 1664; Magdalena baptized 18 Aug 1669; Jan, baptized 4 Jun 1671; Abraham baptized 9 Apr 1673; Marie baptized 14 Jul 1675; Catharina baptized 26 Sep 1677; and twins Isaac and Jacob baptized 3 Apr 1680. I am descended from their daughter Maria who married Jan Janszen Eckerson Regards, Ethel Kay Konight ========================================== In a message dated 3/1/2007 sandra_vanorman@msn.com writes: Hello, I'm a newbie to this list. I'm trying to find information on my ancestor, Jan Dirksz VanArnhem, who was born 1640 in Arnhem, Gelderland, the Netherlands. According to the LDS Ancestral File, he was married to Sarah Teunis 28 June 1664. They had eight children, all born in the Netherlands. Now that I've "jumped the pond" can anyone tell me where I might find birth and marriage records in the Netherlands for this family? Jan's descendants settled in New Amsterdam New York, and also Vermont, where five VanArnhems were members of Ethan Allen's Green Mountain Boys. They were from Pownal, Bennington co. Vermont. Any help on this family would be very much appreciated. Sandra VanOrman ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Sandra, You will find some information on Jan Dirksen Van Arnhem at http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi If you enter his name and a 1640 birthdate you will see him listed 6 times. There is also information about the Van Arnhem family in Jonathan Pearson's Albany book. If I knew the names of Hester Fonda's parents, I coud probably give you the Fonda line back to 1500. Hester married Jan Janse Van Arnhem, a son of Jan Dirksen. Richard

Liz and all - I have been interested in the information about Augustine Hermann because Grietje Cosyn's (later Haring) first husband Harmen Theuniszen worked for Augustine Herman. Harmen Theuniszen only appears in the records at his marriage to Grietje in 1654 and in reference to working for Harmen Theuniszen. Grietje was widowed and able to marry Jan Pieterse Haring by 1662, but we don't know anything about Harmen Theuniszen's death and I have wondered if he had perhaps followed Augustine Hermann south. The Hussites were followers of Jan Hus (born 1371), and their descendants are today's Moravian church. Jan Hus was rector of Charles University in Prague and was martyred in 1415 - burned at the stake - because he refused to recant certain heresies that he had never advocated. His disagreements with the Catholic church were over discipline and practice, not theology, though he did object to the fact that the laity received the bread but not wine at Communion, and he also claimed that the office of the Pope did not exist by divine command but was established by the church so that things might be done in an orderly fashion. Later Martin Luther acknowledged that Hus had been unjstly condemned and the whole question of the authority of Popes and Councils was raised, but Hus was asking the same questions a hundred years earlier. So it's rather to be expected that a Protestant with origins in Prague from that date would have been a Hussite and that he would be comfortable with the Reformed Church in the new world. Regina Haring http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "E Johnson" <iris.gates@gmail.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Anna HERMAN > The parents of Augustine Herman and Anna: The father, Ephraim (aka > Abraham), Merchant and Councilman of Prague, had married Beatrice > Redel. He is said to have been a Hussite (no clue what that is) and > in 1618 had been one of the signers of a Protestant document, > addressed to Emperor Maximillian. For signing this, he was banished > from Prague. Thought to have died soon after in one of the battles of > the Thirty Year's War. His wife (or widow) fled to Amsterdam with Anna > and Augustine. > Am just at the beginning at this point. If anyone can contribute > anything, please do. > > > Thank you again, Howard. Appreciate it very much. > > Best to all, > Liz J

Sandra-- I'm in the middle (I hope) of sorting out the earliest Van Arnhems. I'm afraid the LDS entry you found for Jan Dircks and Sara Theunis is erroneous, save for the date of their marriage which took place in New Amsterdam, not the Netherlands. If you'll contact me offlist I'll help you connect what you have with what I've managed to uncover. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra VanOrman" <sandra_vanorman@msn.com> To: <DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem Family > Hello, > I'm a newbie to this list. I'm trying to find information on my ancestor, Jan Dirksz VanArnhem, who was born 1640 in Arnhem, Gelderland, the Netherlands. According to the LDS Ancestral File, he was married to Sarah Teunis 28 June 1664. They had eight children, all born in the Netherlands. > > Now that I've "jumped the pond" can anyone tell me where I might find birth and marriage records in the Netherlands for this family? > Jan's descendants settled in New Amsterdam New York, and also Vermont, where five VanArnhems were members of Ethan Allen's Green Mountain Boys. They were from Pownal, Bennington co. Vermont. > > Any help on this family would be very much appreciated. > > Sandra VanOrman > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Herbert S. Ackerman lived in Ridgewood, Bergen County, NJ, and compiled genealogies of many of the oldest families in the county - who happened to also have been some of the oldest families in New York. He self-published, and there are not many copies. See the LDS, which probably has them all. He is not particularly respected as a genealogist. One of that generation who did not find the provision of source references necessary, he was also spotty with his family groups and made enough errors to unfortunately call his entire body of work into question. Still, we must be thankful to H.S. Ackerman. As long as we confirm his assertions elsewhere, he provided plenty of excellent clues for us to follow. ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Stark Date: Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:01 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Where in the world do you find these old books? I am also > descended from > Albert Albertse Terhune. Albert, born in France, Albert Albertse > b. 1615 in > Holland, Alberte Albertse b. 1651, Gertruey Terhune married > Hendrick Banta, > Hendrick Banta Jr. who married Rachel Brower and were parents of > Geertruy > Banta who married Francis Montfort, (down to my mother who was a > Montfort) > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Terhune" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:04 PM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. > > > > Dear Listers, > > > > Hoping that someone has a copy of this book. I need pp 10 and > > 11...desperately. > > > > There seems to be some allegation that Albert Albertse > Terhune, son of > > the immigrant moved > > back to Long Island from Hackensack circa 1707 where a > daughter was > > supposedly born???? > > The above cites Ackerman pp 10-11. > > > > I GOTTA see it to believe - and probably not even THEN !!! > > > > Many thanks to some kind soul, > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks very much for checking your resources, Howard. The earliest generations of the Colonial HACK family of Eastern Shore Virginia and Maryland have a series of sons called George Nicholas and they also have many wives called Ann. One of my biggest questions lately is whether or not there was a George Nicholas HACK, son of the Joris HACK who was baptized in Cologne in 1620, and his wife Ann VERLET, sister of Jannetje VERLET, Augustine HERMAN's wife. Their son, George Nicholas, probably born around 1646, is said to have married "Anna Leisler HERMAN." But nobody seems to have documentation on this marriage and as you (Howard) noticed, there's not much if anything around on the Anna HERMAN who is supposed to be the sister of Augustine. Joris HACK and Anna Verlet also had son Peter who had many descendents. But for now the focus is on son george Nicholas and his wife or wives. The possibility have been raised that two generations of men called "George Nicolas HACK could have been made of one --George N #1 married "Anna Leisler HERMAN"; George N #2 married Ann Wright. Info on these two generations of Joris HACK descendents seems to have come from a monument on a grave: The only place anyone seems to cite as a source for this supposed marriage to "Anna Leisler HERMAN" is in a book which describes a memorial obelisk in Fairview Cemetery in Accomack County VA, near the HACK home. This obelisk was erected by descendents, possibly in place of or above a group of family tombstones. Ralph T. Whitelaw in Vol. II of Virginia's Eastern Shore, pps. 658-659 makes comments and gives the text of inscriptions on the faces of this monument. He has no sources but is simply reporting what is engraved in the stone. He says "Some years ago, all of the tombstones in the family graveyard were buried, a granite coping set around the plot, and a shaft raised in the center. Upon the shaft is inscribed: WEST FACE (Hack Coat of Arms) In Memory of Dr. Joris Hack, baptized in Cologne, Germany, March 20, 1620, died in Virginia, 1665; Married Anna Varlett daughter of Casper and Judith Varlett Their son, Dr. George Nicholas Hack, born in Cologne, Germany, died in Accomac County, Virginia; Married Anne Leisler Herman, born in Amsterdam, Holland, sister of Augustine Herman of Bohemian Manor, Cecil County, Maryland, Lieutenant Colonel George Nicholas Hack, died 1705. and Ann, his wife, daughter of Richard Wright and Ann. his wife, daughter of Colonel John. Mottrom of Northern Neck, Virginia." The other sides of the shaft have inscriptions about descendents of Joris HACK. ............................. In USGenweb archives for Accomack County, there is an entry entitled,"Survey Report, Hacks burying ground. Mason's property: 1938." The report gives the location of this burial ground, then gives descriptions or inscriptions of the monuments of those buried there. The original document was transcribed by Joan Renfrow and posted on USGenWeb Archives for Accomack Co. at http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/accomack/cemeteries/hack03.txt The original survey of this site can be found at the Library of Virginia. The long inscription is the last entry in a section of the report is said to be 'historical background' without stating from where the 'background' came. At the bottom of the page is also stated that information was taken from the grave markers. But from the report it is unclear whether the person visiting the site (in 1938) and making the report actually read this from a marker then in existence, or whether the informant for the 'background' was also the source of the marker reading. The inscription on this ends the same as above described, but differs in that in the 1938 description/transcription, above or maybe on the carved coat of arms there is a motto "Avide et Constanter" and a name/date combination: "Joris Hack 1646" There is an image online of this monument. It's impossible to tell from the image if the motto and the words, "Joris Hack 1646" are on the crest, and simply not reported in the second descriptiion of this monument. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/g/o/d/Bryan-S-Godfrey/PHOTO/0267photo.html It's also unclear to me if the inscription described in 1938 was on one of a set of tombstones that were "buried" at the site of the more recent monument or if the 1938 report describes the new monument. In the absence of evidence of "Anne Leisler Herman's" existence, I wonder if a source of confusion may have been the 1663 and 1666 petitions for naturalization of Augustine Herman and his wife and children, with Anna and Joris/George Hack and their children. In those documents, transcripts of which are in Maryland State Archives, Augustine HERMAN and Joris (George) HACK are described as brothers-in-law. In MSA Volume 1, Page 462 "Proceedings and Acts of the General Assembly January 1637/8-September 1664" is a record of a petition of Augustine Herman for an "Act of Naturalizacon for himselfe, Children and his brother in Lawe George Hack." "On Thursday Sept 17th, 1663, it was ordered that "an Acte of Naturalizacon be prepared for Augustine Herman, and his Children and his brother in Lawe George Hack and his wife and Children."" There are a couple of places this appears in MSA, this is the first. Since Anna VERLET, wife of Joris/George HACK, and Jannetje VERLET, wife of Augustine HERMAN, were almost certainly sisters (daughters of Caspar Verlet and Judith Tentenier), these two men were brothers-in-law whether or not there was ever any HACK marriage to Anna HERMAN. But perhaps because of this naturalization petition, somehow the HERMAN surname got crunched onto the Ann (Wright) who married George Nicolas HACK, who was probably Joris' and Anna VERLET's son. > He had a daughter, Anna Margareta bp. 10 Mar 1658 in New Amsterdam. Riker says she and her husband removed to Maryland in 1703. Could this be the Anna you want? Don't think so. Augustine Herman's daughter Anna Margaretha supposedly married Henry Ward and Matthias Vanderheyden. > Since the above sources say Augustine was born in Prague, that is where you should look for baptisms of any alleged siblings. Yep. The family MYTH (I have no documentation, just the story for those interested): The parents of Augustine Herman and Anna: The father, Ephraim (aka Abraham), Merchant and Councilman of Prague, had married Beatrice Redel. He is said to have been a Hussite (no clue what that is) and in 1618 had been one of the signers of a Protestant document, addressed to Emperor Maximillian. For signing this, he was banished from Prague. Thought to have died soon after in one of the battles of the Thirty Year's War. His wife (or widow) fled to Amsterdam with Anna and Augustine. Augustine Herman was educated in Holland. Not myth --he first worked for the merchant firm, Gabry of Amsterdam. But his sister, if the ever came to the colonies, seems to have been invisible. I also wonder where her supposed middle name "Leisler" of Anna Herman came from. "Leisler" comes in around 1700 in NY history, and this name seems out of place in the name of someone born in Euro in the 1600-1620 range. > Be sure to search using Heermans, etc. as well. Yep. That and more. I have a bit more info on the earlier Hacks if anyone needs... have nice obscure bit on Joris' youngest brother Severijn who was killed by Indians in 1661. Have lineup of two Hack families bapt in Amsterdam in the 1616 to 1630's. Seems only Joris and Severijn emigrated. Have notes on a few land records, etc. Am just at the beginning at this point. If anyone can contribute anything, please do. Thank you again, Howard. Appreciate it very much. Best to all, Liz J

Bergen Historic Books offers several of Ackerman's cemetery record books, as well as his genealogies "Five Bogert Families", "More Bogert Families", and those dealing with the Haring, Romeyn, Tallman and VanHouten families. Unfortunately not the Terhune book, Donna. Ackerman gives you ideas and a place to begin your search, even though he's certainly not the last word! Regina Haring ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Stark" <donnaStarkKy@fewpb.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. > Where in the world do you find these old books? I am also descended from > Albert Albertse Terhune. Albert, born in France, Albert Albertse b. 1615 > in > Holland, Alberte Albertse b. 1651, Gertruey Terhune married Hendrick > Banta, > Hendrick Banta Jr. who married Rachel Brower and were parents of Geertruy > Banta who married Francis Montfort, (down to my mother who was a Montfort) > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Terhune" <batcave@695online.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:04 PM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. > > >> Dear Listers, >> >> Hoping that someone has a copy of this book. I need pp 10 and >> 11...desperately. >> >> There seems to be some allegation that Albert Albertse Terhune, son of >> the immigrant moved >> back to Long Island from Hackensack circa 1707 where a daughter was >> supposedly born???? >> The above cites Ackerman pp 10-11. >> >> I GOTTA see it to believe - and probably not even THEN !!! >> >> Many thanks to some kind soul, >> >> Barb >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007 > 2:43 PM > >

I think the reason Herbert S. Ackerman is not highly respected as a genealogist is that he made a lot of assumptions, and some of them were wrong. He also generally did not document his genealogies or give sources. And as Nancy said, as long as we're careful to confirm what he writes, he did provide helpful clues to follow. And, aside from the genealogies, he did a massive job in documenting tombstone inscriptions, mostly in Bergen County, NJ. Pat >Herbert S. Ackerman lived in Ridgewood, Bergen County, NJ, and >compiled genealogies of many of the oldest families in the county - >who happened to also have been some of the oldest families in New >York. He self-published, and there are not many copies. See the >LDS, which probably has them all. > >He is not particularly respected as a genealogist. One of that >generation who did not find the provision of source references >necessary, he was also spotty with his family groups and made enough >errors to unfortunately call his entire body of work into question. > >Still, we must be thankful to H.S. Ackerman. As long as we confirm >his assertions elsewhere, he provided plenty of excellent clues for >us to follow. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Donna Stark >Date: Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:01 pm >Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. >To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > >> Where in the world do you find these old books? I am also >> descended from >> Albert Albertse Terhune. Albert, born in France, Albert Albertse >> b. 1615 in >> Holland, Alberte Albertse b. 1651, Gertruey Terhune married >> Hendrick Banta, >> Hendrick Banta Jr. who married Rachel Brower and were parents of >> Geertruy >> Banta who married Francis Montfort, (down to my mother who was a >> Montfort) >> Donna >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara Terhune" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:04 PM >> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. >> >> >> > Dear Listers, >> > >> > Hoping that someone has a copy of this book. I need pp 10 and >> > 11...desperately. >> > >> > There seems to be some allegation that Albert Albertse >> Terhune, son of >> > the immigrant moved >> > back to Long Island from Hackensack circa 1707 where a >> daughter was >> > supposedly born???? >> > The above cites Ackerman pp 10-11. >> > >> > I GOTTA see it to believe - and probably not even THEN !!! >> > >> > Many thanks to some kind soul, >> > >> > Barb >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- >> COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Pat & Walter Wardell Englewood, FL the.wardells@gte.net

Barbara, I have 10 and 11. I'll scan them to you. Anything else? Nancy T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Terhune Date: Thursday, March 1, 2007 5:00 pm Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Dear Listers, > > Hoping that someone has a copy of this book. I need pp 10 and > 11...desperately. > > There seems to be some allegation that Albert Albertse Terhune, > son of > the immigrant moved > back to Long Island from Hackensack circa 1707 where a daughter > was > supposedly born???? > The above cites Ackerman pp 10-11. > > I GOTTA see it to believe - and probably not even THEN !!! > > Many thanks to some kind soul, > > Barb > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> Herbert S. Ackerman lived in Ridgewood, Bergen County, NJ, and compiled > genealogies of many of the oldest families in the county - who happened to > also have been some of the oldest families in New York. He > self-published, and there are not many copies. See the LDS, which > probably has them all. > > He is not particularly respected as a genealogist. One of that generation > who did not find the provision of source references necessary, he was also > spotty with his family groups and made enough errors to unfortunately call > his entire body of work into question. > > Still, we must be thankful to H.S. Ackerman. As long as we confirm his > assertions elsewhere, he provided plenty of excellent clues for us to > follow. Family History Library has the following ones by him: 1. Blaauvelt Family (this is the ONLY source showing John F. Kennedy's first marriage to a Blauvelt (this lady is still living in Florida) 2. Bogert Families 3. Descendants of Albert Albertse Terhune 4. Descendants of Albert Zabriskie 5. Descendants of David Ackerman 6. Descendants of Roelof Van Houten 7. First Hackensack Reformed Church 8. Hackensack Reformed Church 9. Haring family 10. Hopper Family, descendants of Andries Hopper 11. Inscriptions from Protestant Reformed Church, Acquackanonck 12. New York and New Jersey Cemeteries 13. Paramus Dutch Reformed church marriages 14. Paramus Reformed Dutch Church Marriages & Baptisms 15. Records of Zion Lutheran Churches of Saddle River and Ramapo 16. Romeyn, Romaine Family 17. Talman - Tallman 18. Thirty-Seven Cemeteries in NJ 19. Thomas Tolman 20. Reformed Church of Paramus church records and cemetery 21. Valleau Cemetery of Paramus, Ridgewood NJ If there were more, the Family History Library does not have them. 1. Records of four Methodist churches in northern New Jersey 2. Wyckoff Dutch Reformed church & cemetery

I see a lot of Terhune's, Banta's and Ackerman's in Bergen County New Jersey lately while indexing Bergen County will books. David Samuelsen > Where in the world do you find these old books? I am also descended from > Albert Albertse Terhune. Albert, born in France, Albert Albertse b. 1615 > in > Holland, Alberte Albertse b. 1651, Gertruey Terhune married Hendrick > Banta, > Hendrick Banta Jr. who married Rachel Brower and were parents of Geertruy > Banta who married Francis Montfort, (down to my mother who was a Montfort) > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Terhune" <batcave@695online.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:04 PM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. > > >> Dear Listers, >> >> Hoping that someone has a copy of this book. I need pp 10 and >> 11...desperately. >> >> There seems to be some allegation that Albert Albertse Terhune, son of >> the immigrant moved >> back to Long Island from Hackensack circa 1707 where a daughter was >> supposedly born???? >> The above cites Ackerman pp 10-11. >> >> I GOTTA see it to believe - and probably not even THEN !!! >> >> Many thanks to some kind soul, >> >> Barb >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I'm a newbie to this list. I'm trying to find information on my ancestor, Jan Dirksz VanArnhem, who was born 1640 in Arnhem, Gelderland, the Netherlands. According to the LDS Ancestral File, he was married to Sarah Teunis 28 June 1664. They had eight children, all born in the Netherlands. Now that I've "jumped the pond" can anyone tell me where I might find birth and marriage records in the Netherlands for this family? Jan's descendants settled in New Amsterdam New York, and also Vermont, where five VanArnhems were members of Ethan Allen's Green Mountain Boys. They were from Pownal, Bennington co. Vermont. Any help on this family would be very much appreciated. Sandra VanOrman

Where in the world do you find these old books? I am also descended from Albert Albertse Terhune. Albert, born in France, Albert Albertse b. 1615 in Holland, Alberte Albertse b. 1651, Gertruey Terhune married Hendrick Banta, Hendrick Banta Jr. who married Rachel Brower and were parents of Geertruy Banta who married Francis Montfort, (down to my mother who was a Montfort) Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Terhune" <batcave@695online.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:04 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. > Dear Listers, > > Hoping that someone has a copy of this book. I need pp 10 and > 11...desperately. > > There seems to be some allegation that Albert Albertse Terhune, son of > the immigrant moved > back to Long Island from Hackensack circa 1707 where a daughter was > supposedly born???? > The above cites Ackerman pp 10-11. > > I GOTTA see it to believe - and probably not even THEN !!! > > Many thanks to some kind soul, > > Barb > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Bless you, Nancy, You're a life saver !! I have 1, 2 and 3. Pp 10 and 11 should do the trick. Counting the minutes!! Barb nancyterhune@optonline.net wrote: >Barbara, > >I have 10 and 11. I'll scan them to you. >Anything else? > >Nancy T. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Barbara Terhune >Date: Thursday, March 1, 2007 5:00 pm >Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. >To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > > > >>Dear Listers, >> >>Hoping that someone has a copy of this book. I need pp 10 and >>11...desperately. >> >>There seems to be some allegation that Albert Albertse Terhune, >>son of >>the immigrant moved >>back to Long Island from Hackensack circa 1707 where a daughter >>was >>supposedly born???? >>The above cites Ackerman pp 10-11. >> >>I GOTTA see it to believe - and probably not even THEN !!! >> >>Many thanks to some kind soul, >> >>Barb >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- >>COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >

Please share with us what you find out if anything. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Terhune" <batcave@695online.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:04 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. > Dear Listers, > > Hoping that someone has a copy of this book. I need pp 10 and > 11...desperately. > > There seems to be some allegation that Albert Albertse Terhune, son of > the immigrant moved > back to Long Island from Hackensack circa 1707 where a daughter was > supposedly born???? > The above cites Ackerman pp 10-11. > > I GOTTA see it to believe - and probably not even THEN !!! > > Many thanks to some kind soul, > > Barb > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Listers, Hoping that someone has a copy of this book. I need pp 10 and 11...desperately. There seems to be some allegation that Albert Albertse Terhune, son of the immigrant moved back to Long Island from Hackensack circa 1707 where a daughter was supposedly born???? The above cites Ackerman pp 10-11. I GOTTA see it to believe - and probably not even THEN !!! Many thanks to some kind soul, Barb