My apologies if this is a duplicate, but my reply to Jon has not appeared in the archives. Jon wrote: > Hello Pam, > Does, "Banta Pioneers and Records of the Wives and > Allied Families" by Elsa M. Banta, mention Painted > Rock, The Low Dutch Company Settlement on the Kentucky > Frontier? This was land bought from Squire Boone. I > am looking for information on the Van Arsdalen, or > various spellings, family. My grandmother, on my > father's side, was Loys La Dema Van Ausdeln. > Do you know where I could buy a copy of, "Banta > Pioneers and Records of the Wives and Allied Families" > by Elsa M. Banta? > Have a GOOD day, > Jon Wenzel I am not familiar with the book, but it sounds like Elsa Banta does deal with the Low Dutch Colony in Kentucky. It deals specifically with Hendrick Banta (1718-1805) and his removal from Somerset Co., NJ, to Conewago, York, PA, and subsequent settlement in Kentucky in the 1780's. See: http://www.combs-families.org/combs/families/c-wil.htm According to David M. Riker's New Netherland Vital Records Directory, the book has been reprinted by Higginson Books of Salem, MA in 1997, and is available as a "print on demand" publication. See: http://www.higginsonbooks.com/bailey-boutonSC.html Best regards, Pam Sears

Dear Sandra-- What do you want to kow about Luykas Van Arnhem? He was the son of Isaac (1704) Van Arnhem and Jannetje Salisbury/Van Salsbergen/various, baptised at the Athens Lutheran Church 1738. He and brothers Isaac and Abraham were kidnapped by Indians during a raid near Pownal, VT, in 1758, all repatriated, apparently after the fall of Montreal. He married Sarah Paine (although no one has found a record of it) and had a pile of children. He was in Pownal for a while and then had his own farm somewhere between Hoosic and Schagticoke as near as I can tell. Besides the "Green Mountain Boys" service he was also shows in at least one Albany militia unit, as I recall. (Luykas was the only Van Arnhem of that name at that time.) After the war Luke and brothers Isaac and John (or John's son John) (and sister Rachel who married Derrick Webb) all seem to have drifted north to locations mostly in Essex County, NY, and in Isaac's case, just over the border into Quebec. In Webb's case, at least, he migrated to secure free land to Revolutionary veterans. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra VanOrman" <sandra_vanorman@msn.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > Hi Ethel, > > Thanks for the email. I found the information on Hester Fonda's birth and death dates at Ancestry.com. > Its not always a reliable source, but I saved the information as tentative dates, until I could find more documentation. > > I've been trying to find more information on Luykas (or Luke) VanArnhem. According to Donald A. Smith, Ph.D. he was one of five members of the VanArnhem family who were members of the Green Mountain Boys from Pownal, Vermont. I am descended from Lukyas VanArnhem through his son, Peter VanOrnum. (Notice the change in spelling). > Peter's son, Daniel VanOrnum was my third great grand father. > > Regards, > Sandy VanOrman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com> > To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > > > Sorry, resending my last message. > > Hi Sandra, > > You wrote <I have a Hester Douwse Fonda listed as a wife for Jan Janse > VanArnhem. She > was born 1677 in Albany, New York and died 1 April 1708 in NY. Was she the > second wife of Jan? I have their marriage date as 14 Oct. 1696 in Albany. > Jans > was also married to Sarah Theunis 28 June 1664.> > > > > Jan Jansz Van Aernhem, Bp: 4 June 1671, son of Jan Dirksz VanArnhem and > Sara > Theunis, married Hester Fonda 14 Oct. 1696 in Albany. Albany DRCh. [HSYB > 1904:28] > > Please give a reference for the born and death dates for Hester Fonda. > > Ethel > > =============================================== > In a message dated 3/2/2007 sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com> writes: > > Hello! > Thanks to all for the replies to my query about Jan Dirksz VanArnhem. It is > very much appreciated. > > I have a Hester Douwse Fonda listed as a wife for Jan Janse VanArnhem. She > was born 1677 in Albany, New York and died 1 April 1708 in NY. Was she the > second wife of Jan? I have their marriage date as 14 Oct. 1696 in Albany. > Jans > was also married to Sarah Theunis 28 June 1664. > > Thanks Ethel, for the dates on the children of Jan Dirkzen and Sara > Theunis. > This is wonderful information! > > Regards, > Sandra VanOrman > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.c om> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is this near Harrodsburg,KY, where they have the Dutch Reunion each year? I just noticed the talk on some site. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Wenzel" <jdw22745@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] "The Banta Family" > Hello Pam, > Does, "Banta Pioneers and Records of the Wives and > Allied Families" by Elsa M. Banta, mention Painted > Rock, The Low Dutch Company Settlement on the Kentucky > Frontier? This was land bought from Squire Boone. I > am looking for information on the Van Arsdalen, or > various spellings, family. My grandmother, on my > father's side, was Loys La Dema Van Ausdeln. > Do you know where I could buy a copy of, "Banta > Pioneers and Records of the Wives and Allied Families" > by Elsa M. Banta? > Have a GOOD day, > Jon Wenzel > > --- "Pamela J. Sears" <pjsears@stratos.net> wrote: > >> Hi Donna, >> >> You have cited Elsa Banta's book "The Banta Family" >> in your posts to the >> List. Others may be interested in this book as a >> source, so I did some >> checking and wonder if the following is the book to >> which you refer?: >> >> "Banta Pioneers and Records of the Wives and Allied >> Families" by Elsa M. >> Banta, Soldier's Grove, Wisconsin (1983) [Reprint by >> Higginson Books, >> Salem, Mass. 1997] >> >> Regards, >> Pam Sears >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. > http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for this info Leslie. Judy, my fellow Carley researcher, and I are interested in this possiblity! Bob Lefler of Paul Smiths ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 > Bob, > > Saratoga County was created from Albany County on February 7, 1791. It > gained territory from Montgomery County on April 3, 1801. On March 3, > 1888, > Saratoga County gained Havre I. from Albany and Rensselaer. So prior to > February 7, 1791, conveyancing instruments for land within the most of > present day Saratoga County should have been recorded in the Albany County > Clerk's Office. > > However, please note that no one in New York State got good fee simple > absolute title to the land that they occupied until 1841 when the New York > State legislature abolished the Roman/Dutch medieval land conveyancing > conventions. Most of the tenant farmers did not bother to record their > freehold leases. Consequently, running titles in New York State can be > incredibly difficult. > > Peter Carley was listed as a taxpayer on the 1788 list for the Ballstown > Tax > District of Albany County, N.Y. The original tax records are available > in > the New York State Library at Albany, NY. > > Hope that this helps. > > Leslie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Lefler" <lefler@northnet.org> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 7:50 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 > > >> Leslie- Basically, I trying to learn about my ancesters Albert and Peter >> Carley (Mispelled in the 1790 census as Kerby). Albert may have had a >> tract >> of land taken out of a tract owned by a Scott in Ballstown(per History of >> Saratoga County). Something like a tract of large Pines 10 miles by 10 >> miles >> with pieces being sold. Bob Lefler (I have had confusion because the date >> 1790 is when Saratoga County was created separate from Albany County so, >> in >> that new hall of records north of Albany, I ended up with nothing. Very >> frustrating! I need to learn more about the situation) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 7:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 >> >> >>> Hi Bob, >>> >>> Most, but not all, of present day Saratoga County was included in the >>> Kayadrossera Patent. The Saratoga Patent was in the Saratoga Tax >>> District >>> of Albany County. The Ballstown Tax District included land that was >>> part >>> of >>> the Kayadrossera Patent as well as other land patents. The Half Moon >>> Tax >>> District was the third Albany Count Tax District located in present day >>> Saratoga County. >>> >>> If you can be more specific, I'll try and answer your conveyancing >>> question. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Leslie Potter >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bob Lefler" <lefler@northnet.org> >>> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 5:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 >>> >>> >>>> Hi all- I'm looking for more info on the divison of Saratoga lands to >>>> Ballstown about 1790??? Bob Lefler >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >>>> To: <Dutch-Colonies-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 3:20 PM >>>> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent and P. Schuyler c. 1750 >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear List, >>>>> >>>>> Circa 1750, the Saratoga Patent in Albany County, New York (now >>>>> Saratoga >>>>> and Washington Counties) was partitioned a second time. A plat of the >>>>> Second Grand Division of the Saratoga Patent shows the patentees and >>>>> their >>>>> holdings to be as follows: >>>>> >>>>> R. L. - Great Lotts No. 1, 9, 20, 28, 34, 42 & 43. [Robert Livingston, >>>>> the >>>>> Nephew] >>>>> >>>>> J.S. - Great Lotts No. 2, 3, 10, 11, 16, 17, 27, 33, 41 & 44 [Johannes >>>>> Schuyler (1668-1747), grandfather of General Philip Schuyler >>>>> (1733-1804)] >>>>> >>>>> J.J.B. - Great Lotts No. 4, 12, 18, 25, 31 (Jan Jans Bleecker) >>>>> >>>>> D. W. - Great Lotts No. 5, 13, 21, 22, 35, 39, & 46 [Dirk Wessles Ten >>>>> Broeck (1686-1750/51), the father of Abraham Ten Broeck (1734-1810) >>>>> >>>>> C. V. D. - Great Lotts No. 6, 14, 15, 24, 30, 38, & 47 [Cornelius Van >>>>> Dyck] >>>>> >>>>> J. S. & R. L. - Great Lotts No. 7, 8, [Johannes Schuyler and Robert >>>>> Livingston] >>>>> >>>>> P.S & R. L - Great Lotts No. 19, 23, 29, 37, 48 (P_______ Schuyler and >>>>> Robert Livingston) >>>>> >>>>> P.S. - Great Lotts No. 26, 32, 40, & 45 (P__________ Schuyler) >>>>> >>>>> J.B. - Great Lotts No. 36 & 49 (Probably Jan Jans Bleecker) >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know enough about the Schuylers to tell me who the P. >>>>> Schuyler >>>>> listed on the platt might have been? General Philip Schuyler >>>>> (1733-1804) >>>>> would not yet have attained is majority in 1750. So I am inclined to >>>>> suspect that he is not the P. Schuyler named on the plat. >>>>> Additionally, >>>>> when General Schuyler died in 1804, he died seized of all but two of >>>>> the >>>>> Great Lotts which his grandfather, Johannes Schuyler, possessed. >>>>> >>>>> There are several men named Peter and a couple of other men named >>>>> Philip >>>>> on the Schuyler family tree who might be the P. Schuyler on the plat. >>>>> However, I do not have enough data to make that determination. Any >>>>> help >>>>> you could give me would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for your help. >>>>> >>>>> Leslie Potter >>>>> >>>>> Glen Mills, PA >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Samuel WHITTELSEY married Sara VAN DEURSEN on 10 Dec 1788 at the DRC New York. I have Samuel's parents as Chauncey WHITTELSEY (1717-1787) and Martha NEWTON (1730-1812), ans Sara's parents as Willem VAN DEURSEN (1716-1789) and Catharine GILBERT. No problem so far, except I have the birth of Samuel on 13 Jul 1749 and, mor importantly, death of Samuel WHITTELSEY on 9 Aug 1751 in New Haven, Connecticut. These dates come from a One World Tree, but I've lost the reference to it. Am I completely wrong? _________________________________________________________________ Match.com - Click Here To Find Singles In Your Area Today! http://match.engb.msn.com/

Bob, Saratoga County was created from Albany County on February 7, 1791. It gained territory from Montgomery County on April 3, 1801. On March 3, 1888, Saratoga County gained Havre I. from Albany and Rensselaer. So prior to February 7, 1791, conveyancing instruments for land within the most of present day Saratoga County should have been recorded in the Albany County Clerk's Office. However, please note that no one in New York State got good fee simple absolute title to the land that they occupied until 1841 when the New York State legislature abolished the Roman/Dutch medieval land conveyancing conventions. Most of the tenant farmers did not bother to record their freehold leases. Consequently, running titles in New York State can be incredibly difficult. Peter Carley was listed as a taxpayer on the 1788 list for the Ballstown Tax District of Albany County, N.Y. The original tax records are available in the New York State Library at Albany, NY. Hope that this helps. Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Lefler" <lefler@northnet.org> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 > Leslie- Basically, I trying to learn about my ancesters Albert and Peter > Carley (Mispelled in the 1790 census as Kerby). Albert may have had a > tract > of land taken out of a tract owned by a Scott in Ballstown(per History of > Saratoga County). Something like a tract of large Pines 10 miles by 10 > miles > with pieces being sold. Bob Lefler (I have had confusion because the date > 1790 is when Saratoga County was created separate from Albany County so, > in > that new hall of records north of Albany, I ended up with nothing. Very > frustrating! I need to learn more about the situation) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 7:37 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 > > >> Hi Bob, >> >> Most, but not all, of present day Saratoga County was included in the >> Kayadrossera Patent. The Saratoga Patent was in the Saratoga Tax >> District >> of Albany County. The Ballstown Tax District included land that was part >> of >> the Kayadrossera Patent as well as other land patents. The Half Moon Tax >> District was the third Albany Count Tax District located in present day >> Saratoga County. >> >> If you can be more specific, I'll try and answer your conveyancing >> question. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Leslie Potter >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Lefler" <lefler@northnet.org> >> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 5:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 >> >> >>> Hi all- I'm looking for more info on the divison of Saratoga lands to >>> Ballstown about 1790??? Bob Lefler >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >>> To: <Dutch-Colonies-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 3:20 PM >>> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent and P. Schuyler c. 1750 >>> >>> >>>> Dear List, >>>> >>>> Circa 1750, the Saratoga Patent in Albany County, New York (now >>>> Saratoga >>>> and Washington Counties) was partitioned a second time. A plat of the >>>> Second Grand Division of the Saratoga Patent shows the patentees and >>>> their >>>> holdings to be as follows: >>>> >>>> R. L. - Great Lotts No. 1, 9, 20, 28, 34, 42 & 43. [Robert Livingston, >>>> the >>>> Nephew] >>>> >>>> J.S. - Great Lotts No. 2, 3, 10, 11, 16, 17, 27, 33, 41 & 44 [Johannes >>>> Schuyler (1668-1747), grandfather of General Philip Schuyler >>>> (1733-1804)] >>>> >>>> J.J.B. - Great Lotts No. 4, 12, 18, 25, 31 (Jan Jans Bleecker) >>>> >>>> D. W. - Great Lotts No. 5, 13, 21, 22, 35, 39, & 46 [Dirk Wessles Ten >>>> Broeck (1686-1750/51), the father of Abraham Ten Broeck (1734-1810) >>>> >>>> C. V. D. - Great Lotts No. 6, 14, 15, 24, 30, 38, & 47 [Cornelius Van >>>> Dyck] >>>> >>>> J. S. & R. L. - Great Lotts No. 7, 8, [Johannes Schuyler and Robert >>>> Livingston] >>>> >>>> P.S & R. L - Great Lotts No. 19, 23, 29, 37, 48 (P_______ Schuyler and >>>> Robert Livingston) >>>> >>>> P.S. - Great Lotts No. 26, 32, 40, & 45 (P__________ Schuyler) >>>> >>>> J.B. - Great Lotts No. 36 & 49 (Probably Jan Jans Bleecker) >>>> >>>> Does anyone know enough about the Schuylers to tell me who the P. >>>> Schuyler >>>> listed on the platt might have been? General Philip Schuyler >>>> (1733-1804) >>>> would not yet have attained is majority in 1750. So I am inclined to >>>> suspect that he is not the P. Schuyler named on the plat. Additionally, >>>> when General Schuyler died in 1804, he died seized of all but two of >>>> the >>>> Great Lotts which his grandfather, Johannes Schuyler, possessed. >>>> >>>> There are several men named Peter and a couple of other men named >>>> Philip >>>> on the Schuyler family tree who might be the P. Schuyler on the plat. >>>> However, I do not have enough data to make that determination. Any help >>>> you could give me would be greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thank you for your help. >>>> >>>> Leslie Potter >>>> >>>> Glen Mills, PA >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Leslie- Basically, I trying to learn about my ancesters Albert and Peter Carley (Mispelled in the 1790 census as Kerby). Albert may have had a tract of land taken out of a tract owned by a Scott in Ballstown(per History of Saratoga County). Something like a tract of large Pines 10 miles by 10 miles with pieces being sold. Bob Lefler (I have had confusion because the date 1790 is when Saratoga County was created separate from Albany County so, in that new hall of records north of Albany, I ended up with nothing. Very frustrating! I need to learn more about the situation) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 > Hi Bob, > > Most, but not all, of present day Saratoga County was included in the > Kayadrossera Patent. The Saratoga Patent was in the Saratoga Tax District > of Albany County. The Ballstown Tax District included land that was part > of > the Kayadrossera Patent as well as other land patents. The Half Moon Tax > District was the third Albany Count Tax District located in present day > Saratoga County. > > If you can be more specific, I'll try and answer your conveyancing > question. > > Sincerely, > > Leslie Potter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Lefler" <lefler@northnet.org> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 > > >> Hi all- I'm looking for more info on the divison of Saratoga lands to >> Ballstown about 1790??? Bob Lefler >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> To: <Dutch-Colonies-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 3:20 PM >> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent and P. Schuyler c. 1750 >> >> >>> Dear List, >>> >>> Circa 1750, the Saratoga Patent in Albany County, New York (now Saratoga >>> and Washington Counties) was partitioned a second time. A plat of the >>> Second Grand Division of the Saratoga Patent shows the patentees and >>> their >>> holdings to be as follows: >>> >>> R. L. - Great Lotts No. 1, 9, 20, 28, 34, 42 & 43. [Robert Livingston, >>> the >>> Nephew] >>> >>> J.S. - Great Lotts No. 2, 3, 10, 11, 16, 17, 27, 33, 41 & 44 [Johannes >>> Schuyler (1668-1747), grandfather of General Philip Schuyler >>> (1733-1804)] >>> >>> J.J.B. - Great Lotts No. 4, 12, 18, 25, 31 (Jan Jans Bleecker) >>> >>> D. W. - Great Lotts No. 5, 13, 21, 22, 35, 39, & 46 [Dirk Wessles Ten >>> Broeck (1686-1750/51), the father of Abraham Ten Broeck (1734-1810) >>> >>> C. V. D. - Great Lotts No. 6, 14, 15, 24, 30, 38, & 47 [Cornelius Van >>> Dyck] >>> >>> J. S. & R. L. - Great Lotts No. 7, 8, [Johannes Schuyler and Robert >>> Livingston] >>> >>> P.S & R. L - Great Lotts No. 19, 23, 29, 37, 48 (P_______ Schuyler and >>> Robert Livingston) >>> >>> P.S. - Great Lotts No. 26, 32, 40, & 45 (P__________ Schuyler) >>> >>> J.B. - Great Lotts No. 36 & 49 (Probably Jan Jans Bleecker) >>> >>> Does anyone know enough about the Schuylers to tell me who the P. >>> Schuyler >>> listed on the platt might have been? General Philip Schuyler (1733-1804) >>> would not yet have attained is majority in 1750. So I am inclined to >>> suspect that he is not the P. Schuyler named on the plat. Additionally, >>> when General Schuyler died in 1804, he died seized of all but two of the >>> Great Lotts which his grandfather, Johannes Schuyler, possessed. >>> >>> There are several men named Peter and a couple of other men named Philip >>> on the Schuyler family tree who might be the P. Schuyler on the plat. >>> However, I do not have enough data to make that determination. Any help >>> you could give me would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thank you for your help. >>> >>> Leslie Potter >>> >>> Glen Mills, PA >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bob, Most, but not all, of present day Saratoga County was included in the Kayadrossera Patent. The Saratoga Patent was in the Saratoga Tax District of Albany County. The Ballstown Tax District included land that was part of the Kayadrossera Patent as well as other land patents. The Half Moon Tax District was the third Albany Count Tax District located in present day Saratoga County. If you can be more specific, I'll try and answer your conveyancing question. Sincerely, Leslie Potter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Lefler" <lefler@northnet.org> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 > Hi all- I'm looking for more info on the divison of Saratoga lands to > Ballstown about 1790??? Bob Lefler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> > To: <Dutch-Colonies-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 3:20 PM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent and P. Schuyler c. 1750 > > >> Dear List, >> >> Circa 1750, the Saratoga Patent in Albany County, New York (now Saratoga >> and Washington Counties) was partitioned a second time. A plat of the >> Second Grand Division of the Saratoga Patent shows the patentees and >> their >> holdings to be as follows: >> >> R. L. - Great Lotts No. 1, 9, 20, 28, 34, 42 & 43. [Robert Livingston, >> the >> Nephew] >> >> J.S. - Great Lotts No. 2, 3, 10, 11, 16, 17, 27, 33, 41 & 44 [Johannes >> Schuyler (1668-1747), grandfather of General Philip Schuyler (1733-1804)] >> >> J.J.B. - Great Lotts No. 4, 12, 18, 25, 31 (Jan Jans Bleecker) >> >> D. W. - Great Lotts No. 5, 13, 21, 22, 35, 39, & 46 [Dirk Wessles Ten >> Broeck (1686-1750/51), the father of Abraham Ten Broeck (1734-1810) >> >> C. V. D. - Great Lotts No. 6, 14, 15, 24, 30, 38, & 47 [Cornelius Van >> Dyck] >> >> J. S. & R. L. - Great Lotts No. 7, 8, [Johannes Schuyler and Robert >> Livingston] >> >> P.S & R. L - Great Lotts No. 19, 23, 29, 37, 48 (P_______ Schuyler and >> Robert Livingston) >> >> P.S. - Great Lotts No. 26, 32, 40, & 45 (P__________ Schuyler) >> >> J.B. - Great Lotts No. 36 & 49 (Probably Jan Jans Bleecker) >> >> Does anyone know enough about the Schuylers to tell me who the P. >> Schuyler >> listed on the platt might have been? General Philip Schuyler (1733-1804) >> would not yet have attained is majority in 1750. So I am inclined to >> suspect that he is not the P. Schuyler named on the plat. Additionally, >> when General Schuyler died in 1804, he died seized of all but two of the >> Great Lotts which his grandfather, Johannes Schuyler, possessed. >> >> There are several men named Peter and a couple of other men named Philip >> on the Schuyler family tree who might be the P. Schuyler on the plat. >> However, I do not have enough data to make that determination. Any help >> you could give me would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thank you for your help. >> >> Leslie Potter >> >> Glen Mills, PA >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul, > Samuel WHITTELSEY married Sara VAN DEURSEN on 10 Dec 1788 at the DRC New > York. > > I have Samuel's parents as Chauncey WHITTELSEY (1717-1787) and Martha NEWTON > (1730-1812), ans Sara's parents as Willem VAN DEURSEN (1716-1789) and > Catharine GILBERT. > > No problem so far, except I have the birth of Samuel on 13 Jul 1749 and, mor > importantly, death of Samuel WHITTELSEY on 9 Aug 1751 in New Haven, > Connecticut. These dates come from a One World Tree, but I've lost the > reference to it. > > Am I completely wrong? Not completely wrong but the dates for Samuel Whittlesey do need some tweaking :-). According to an IGI "patron submission" on the LDS site, Samuel Whittlesey (son of Chauncey Whiitlesey & Martha Newton) was born 10 Sep 1763 in New Haven, CT, and died 7 Mar 1838 (no location given). According to an Ancestral File on the LDS site (Connecticut), he was baptized 13 Sep 1763 at the First Congregational Church in New Haven, and his parents married 13 Aug 1753 in New Haven. It appears that some family members were buried in the Grove Street Cemetery in New Haven. So, I would look for the records of the First Congregational Church in New Haven to verify this information. The marriage date for Samuel Whittlesey and Sara Van Deursen is indeed recorded in the New York Reformed Dutch Church on 10 Dec 1788 [p. 263 of the published records]. I see no baptismal records listed for this couple in the New York RDC. Regards, Pam Sears

Hi all- I'm looking for more info on the divison of Saratoga lands to Ballstown about 1790??? Bob Lefler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> To: <Dutch-Colonies-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent and P. Schuyler c. 1750 > Dear List, > > Circa 1750, the Saratoga Patent in Albany County, New York (now Saratoga > and Washington Counties) was partitioned a second time. A plat of the > Second Grand Division of the Saratoga Patent shows the patentees and their > holdings to be as follows: > > R. L. - Great Lotts No. 1, 9, 20, 28, 34, 42 & 43. [Robert Livingston, the > Nephew] > > J.S. - Great Lotts No. 2, 3, 10, 11, 16, 17, 27, 33, 41 & 44 [Johannes > Schuyler (1668-1747), grandfather of General Philip Schuyler (1733-1804)] > > J.J.B. - Great Lotts No. 4, 12, 18, 25, 31 (Jan Jans Bleecker) > > D. W. - Great Lotts No. 5, 13, 21, 22, 35, 39, & 46 [Dirk Wessles Ten > Broeck (1686-1750/51), the father of Abraham Ten Broeck (1734-1810) > > C. V. D. - Great Lotts No. 6, 14, 15, 24, 30, 38, & 47 [Cornelius Van > Dyck] > > J. S. & R. L. - Great Lotts No. 7, 8, [Johannes Schuyler and Robert > Livingston] > > P.S & R. L - Great Lotts No. 19, 23, 29, 37, 48 (P_______ Schuyler and > Robert Livingston) > > P.S. - Great Lotts No. 26, 32, 40, & 45 (P__________ Schuyler) > > J.B. - Great Lotts No. 36 & 49 (Probably Jan Jans Bleecker) > > Does anyone know enough about the Schuylers to tell me who the P. Schuyler > listed on the platt might have been? General Philip Schuyler (1733-1804) > would not yet have attained is majority in 1750. So I am inclined to > suspect that he is not the P. Schuyler named on the plat. Additionally, > when General Schuyler died in 1804, he died seized of all but two of the > Great Lotts which his grandfather, Johannes Schuyler, possessed. > > There are several men named Peter and a couple of other men named Philip > on the Schuyler family tree who might be the P. Schuyler on the plat. > However, I do not have enough data to make that determination. Any help > you could give me would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you for your help. > > Leslie Potter > > Glen Mills, PA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ethel, Thanks for the email. I found the information on Hester Fonda's birth and death dates at Ancestry.com. Its not always a reliable source, but I saved the information as tentative dates, until I could find more documentation. I've been trying to find more information on Luykas (or Luke) VanArnhem. According to Donald A. Smith, Ph.D. he was one of five members of the VanArnhem family who were members of the Green Mountain Boys from Pownal, Vermont. I am descended from Lukyas VanArnhem through his son, Peter VanOrnum. (Notice the change in spelling). Peter's son, Daniel VanOrnum was my third great grand father. Regards, Sandy VanOrman ----- Original Message ----- From: ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com> To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda Sorry, resending my last message. Hi Sandra, You wrote <I have a Hester Douwse Fonda listed as a wife for Jan Janse VanArnhem. She was born 1677 in Albany, New York and died 1 April 1708 in NY. Was she the second wife of Jan? I have their marriage date as 14 Oct. 1696 in Albany. Jans was also married to Sarah Theunis 28 June 1664.> Jan Jansz Van Aernhem, Bp: 4 June 1671, son of Jan Dirksz VanArnhem and Sara Theunis, married Hester Fonda 14 Oct. 1696 in Albany. Albany DRCh. [HSYB 1904:28] Please give a reference for the born and death dates for Hester Fonda. Ethel =============================================== In a message dated 3/2/2007 sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com> writes: Hello! Thanks to all for the replies to my query about Jan Dirksz VanArnhem. It is very much appreciated. I have a Hester Douwse Fonda listed as a wife for Jan Janse VanArnhem. She was born 1677 in Albany, New York and died 1 April 1708 in NY. Was she the second wife of Jan? I have their marriage date as 14 Oct. 1696 in Albany. Jans was also married to Sarah Theunis 28 June 1664. Thanks Ethel, for the dates on the children of Jan Dirkzen and Sara Theunis. This is wonderful information! Regards, Sandra VanOrman <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, Circa 1750, the Saratoga Patent in Albany County, New York (now Saratoga and Washington Counties) was partitioned a second time. A plat of the Second Grand Division of the Saratoga Patent shows the patentees and their holdings to be as follows: R. L. - Great Lotts No. 1, 9, 20, 28, 34, 42 & 43. [Robert Livingston, the Nephew] J.S. - Great Lotts No. 2, 3, 10, 11, 16, 17, 27, 33, 41 & 44 [Johannes Schuyler (1668-1747), grandfather of General Philip Schuyler (1733-1804)] J.J.B. - Great Lotts No. 4, 12, 18, 25, 31 (Jan Jans Bleecker) D. W. - Great Lotts No. 5, 13, 21, 22, 35, 39, & 46 [Dirk Wessles Ten Broeck (1686-1750/51), the father of Abraham Ten Broeck (1734-1810) C. V. D. - Great Lotts No. 6, 14, 15, 24, 30, 38, & 47 [Cornelius Van Dyck] J. S. & R. L. - Great Lotts No. 7, 8, [Johannes Schuyler and Robert Livingston] P.S & R. L - Great Lotts No. 19, 23, 29, 37, 48 (P_______ Schuyler and Robert Livingston) P.S. - Great Lotts No. 26, 32, 40, & 45 (P__________ Schuyler) J.B. - Great Lotts No. 36 & 49 (Probably Jan Jans Bleecker) Does anyone know enough about the Schuylers to tell me who the P. Schuyler listed on the platt might have been? General Philip Schuyler (1733-1804) would not yet have attained is majority in 1750. So I am inclined to suspect that he is not the P. Schuyler named on the plat. Additionally, when General Schuyler died in 1804, he died seized of all but two of the Great Lotts which his grandfather, Johannes Schuyler, possessed. There are several men named Peter and a couple of other men named Philip on the Schuyler family tree who might be the P. Schuyler on the plat. However, I do not have enough data to make that determination. Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help. Leslie Potter Glen Mills, PA

Thank you so much. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Hayes" <RAHayes@chartermi.net> To: "List, Dutch Colonies, " <DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Brickers/Becker Family > Hi Donna Stark, > > I have some information about Geertie Fonda and Jan Brickers on my website > at: > www.angelfire.com/ga4/myhayes_family/. Look under Jan Juriaanse Becker. I > have changed the surname from Brickers to Becker to agree with the > information in Jonathan Pearson's Albany book. > > There may be a few differences between what is on my website and what is > on my home computer. I have changed the birth date of Gilllis Douwese > Fonda to 1616, but have not updated the information to my website. > > Richard > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi Donna, You have cited Elsa Banta's book "The Banta Family" in your posts to the List. Others may be interested in this book as a source, so I did some checking and wonder if the following is the book to which you refer?: "Banta Pioneers and Records of the Wives and Allied Families" by Elsa M. Banta, Soldier's Grove, Wisconsin (1983) [Reprint by Higginson Books, Salem, Mass. 1997] Regards, Pam Sears

> There's a thick book, published in 1916, on the Schermerhorn family. Everybody in this country with the name is descended from Jacob Janse, who came here about 1638 (I'll get corrected, I know), and therefore is a cousin. (Unless they immigrated after 1916.) And that book dropped the lines that daughtered out. So it includes my ggg grandmother Neltje Schermerhorn, b. 1781, but none of her Bastion children (or even her illegitimate Van Slyke daughter). I can't even guess how many Schermerhorn cousins I have, let alone those who dropped sylables here or there. The book in question is Schermerhorn Genealogy and Family Chronicles, available through the Schermerhorn family section of my site: <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/families/schermerhorn/> -- Bob Sullivan Schenectady Digital History Archive <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/> Schenectady County (NY) Public Library

Dear Pam-- The marriage of Jan (Janszen) Van Aernhem and Hester Fonda is, indeed, recorded at the Albany DRC but I suspect they didn't actually live in or even very near Albany. The Van Arnams are notable in their absence from all of the censuses for Albany, Rennselaerwyck and the upper Hudson in general that I can find prior to the Revolution. Bits and pieces lead me to believe the family was centered somewhere around Hoosick by about 1740 but that conclusion is shaky. Jan (Janszen) Van Aernhem died between roughly January and October, 1708, since he is described as deceased at the baptism of son, Jan Dirck, Oct. 3 of that year. Hester Fonda appears as witness at various baptisms for many years thereafter, the last time in 1746. Records of the Albany DRC churchyard show a Hester Van Arnem interred there 23 Feb., 1753. It's conceivable that this could be Hester Van Arnem, daughter of Isaac Van Arnhem and Jannetje Salisbury. However, since there is no record of that Hester after her baptism and since Hester Fonda clearly survived to an advanced age it seems likely to me that this "Hester Van Arnem" is Hester Fonda. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela J. Sears" <pjsears@stratos.net> To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem Family + Fonda > Hi Sandra, Donna, Ethel, Richard, et al > > > I have a bit to add to what Ethel provided to the List, but don't know > what Pete or Richard may have sent to you privately. However, I do have > a question which perhaps someone can answer. Ethel, see below. > > Jan Janszen Van Aernhem married Hester Fonda 14 Oct 1696 as recorded in > the Reformed Dutch Church of Albany, where both were living at the time. > > Hester Fonda was born circa 1676 in Albany, the daughter of Douwe Jillis > Fonda and Rebecca, his wife. Douwe Jillis Fonda was baptized in > Amsterdam, Noord Holland, The Netherlands on 24 Nov 1641 at the Nieuwe > kerk, the son of Jelle Douwesz and Ester Douwes. See the article by > Robert G. Cooney, Jr., "Amsterdam Records of the Fonda Family" which > appeared in the New York Genealogical and Biographical Record in Jan > 1988 [NYG&BR 119:1-5]. > > For those interested in the FONDA European ancestry, Harry Macy, Jr. > (recently retired editor of the NYG&B Record, wrote a postscript to > Robert Cooney's article that gives this (very probable) descent from > 16th-century ancestors: > > Jacob Harmens and Bot Hennedr. > Benedictus Jacobs (died ca. 1582) and Aecht Eernstdr. > Evert Benedictus (died 1610) > Douwe Everts and Wytscke Dircxdr. > Jillis Douwes Fonda and Hester Douwes > > [Thanks to Dorothy Koenig, who provided the above descent]. > > > My question involves the following issue. It is widely reported (and/or > duplicated) that Douwe Jillis Fonda married Rebecca, the daughter of > Leendert Philips Conyn and his wife Agnieta Caspars, but I find no > evidence to support that claim. Is this information given by Mr. Cooney > in his article "Amsterdam Records of the Fonda Family" (and what is his > rationale) or is there another source that I am not aware of? > > If Rebecca, the wife of Douwe Jillis Fonda, were the daughter of > Leendert Philips Conyn, she would be styled Rebecca Leenderts or Rebecca > Conyn in at least some of the extant records, but this is not so. > Rather, she is more often referred to as Rebecca Jans, or simply Rebecca > Fonda. > > Also, Douwe Jillis Fonda and Rebecca, his wife, named no son Leendert, > nor a daughter Agniete, after the (supposed) maternal grandparents. > However, all the known children of Leendert Philipse Conyn and Agniete > Caspars (Maritje, Lysbeth, Commertje, Caspar and Philip), did indeed > name sons and daughters Leendert and Agnietje. > > A few representative examples of baptismal sponsorships follow: > > 10 May 1696 at Albany: Rebecca, of Johannes Fonda and Marritje > Lookerman. Wit.: Douwe Fonda, Rebecca Fonda. > > 23 Aug 1696 at Albany: Douwe, of Jelis Fonda and Rachel Winnen. Wit.: > Douwe Fonda, Rebecca Fonda. > > 15 Aug 1697 at Albany: Sara, of Jan Jansz Van Haarlem and Hester Fonda. > Wit.: Douwe Fonda, Rebecca Fonda. > > 1 Sep 1700 at Schenectady: Douwe (#75); Father: Jelles Vonda; Mother: > Rachel Winne; Sponsors: Douwe Vonda, Rebecka Jansen > > In the extant baptismal records for the children of Douwe Fonda and > Rebecca, his wife, at Albany (Isaac, 9 Mar 1684; Rebecca, 17 Mar 1686; > and Antje, 2 Feb 1690), the spouse's name is never given. > > Lastly, I see no evidence of Conyn sponsors at any of the baptisms of > the Fonda children, yet Leendert Philips (who died 1704) and Agnietje > Caspars were still sponsoring as late as (and I may have missed a few), > and his children were definitely available as well: > > 9 Jul 1693 at Albany: Rebecca, of Harme Gansevoort and Marietje > Leendertsz. Wit.: Leendert Phlipsz, Agnietje Leendertsz. > > 28 Apr 1695 at Albany: Helena, of Jan Bronk and Commertje Leendertsz. > Wit.: Leendert Phlipsz, Tomas Harmensz, Elsje Winne. > > The brewing and distilling business aside (which is the usual link for > the placement of Rebecca as the daughter of Leendert Philips Conyn), I > see no solid evidence that supports this (as either 1st or 2nd wife). > > Any insight will be greatly appreciated (or, what have I missed? :-). > > Regards, > Pam Sears > > p.s. for Sandra: > > Jan Janszen Van Aernhem was baptized 4 Jun 1671 at the New York Reformed > Dutch Church, the son of Jan Dirckszen (Van Aernhem) & Sara Teunis: > > 4 Jun 1671; Jan Dircxzen Van Aernhem, Sara; Jan; Jan Laurenszen Duyts, > Mayken Laurens > > He married 14 Oct 1696 at the Reformed Dutch Church of Albany to Hester > Fonda, b circa 1676/77: > > Oct. 14, 1696. Jan Jansz Van Aarnem, young man, and Hester Fonda, young > daughter, both living here [Albany]. > > > Children of Jan Janszen Van Aernhem & Hester Fonda, all baptized at the > Albany Reformed Dutch Church: > > 1. 15 Aug 1697; Sara, of Jan Jansz Van Haarlem and Hester Fonda. Wit.: > Douwe Fonda, Rebecca Fonda. > > 2. 28 Apr 1700; Abraam, of Jan Jansse Van Aarnheym and Hester Fonda. > Wit.: Claes Fonda, Helena Fonda. > > 3. 25 Mar 1702; Rebecca, of Jan Janse Van Aarnhem and Hester Fonda. > Wit.: Jan Fonda, Marretje Lokermans. > > 4. 6 May 1704; Isaac, of Jan Janse Van Aarnhem and Hester Fonda. Wit.: > Salomon and Alida Van Vechten. > > 5. 17 Nov 1706; Rachel, of John Johnson Van Aarnhem and Hester Fonda. > Wit.: Isaac and Rebecca Fonda. > > 6. 3 Oct 1708; Jan Dirk, of Jan Janse Van Aarnhem, dec'd., and Esther > Fonda. Wit.: Jan Fonda, in place of the father; Cornelis Maasse, Anna > Fonda. > > BTW Sandra. I believe it was Jan Janszen Van Aernhem who died 1 Apr 1708 > (and not Hester Fonda) as evidenced by baptismal record #6 above. Hester > Fonda, the widow of Jan Janszen Van Aerhnhem, _may_ be the one who died > on 23 Feb 1753 and is buried in the Albany Dutch Church yard. > > Pam > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Pam, Does, "Banta Pioneers and Records of the Wives and Allied Families" by Elsa M. Banta, mention Painted Rock, The Low Dutch Company Settlement on the Kentucky Frontier? This was land bought from Squire Boone. I am looking for information on the Van Arsdalen, or various spellings, family. My grandmother, on my father's side, was Loys La Dema Van Ausdeln. Do you know where I could buy a copy of, "Banta Pioneers and Records of the Wives and Allied Families" by Elsa M. Banta? Have a GOOD day, Jon Wenzel --- "Pamela J. Sears" <pjsears@stratos.net> wrote: > Hi Donna, > > You have cited Elsa Banta's book "The Banta Family" > in your posts to the > List. Others may be interested in this book as a > source, so I did some > checking and wonder if the following is the book to > which you refer?: > > "Banta Pioneers and Records of the Wives and Allied > Families" by Elsa M. > Banta, Soldier's Grove, Wisconsin (1983) [Reprint by > Higginson Books, > Salem, Mass. 1997] > > Regards, > Pam Sears > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121

Richard, Thanks for your site. I do have one correction: Cornelis Lambertsen/Brink could not have been born at sea (Nov 1659) because the family did not leave for NN until Dec. 1660. This has been carefully researched by a trustee of the Holland Society. Linda

Hi Donna Stark, I have some information about Geertie Fonda and Jan Brickers on my website at: www.angelfire.com/ga4/myhayes_family/. Look under Jan Juriaanse Becker. I have changed the surname from Brickers to Becker to agree with the information in Jonathan Pearson's Albany book. There may be a few differences between what is on my website and what is on my home computer. I have changed the birth date of Gilllis Douwese Fonda to 1616, but have not updated the information to my website. Richard

Dear Howard-- Thanks. I'd considered the "Leentje" hypothesis, too, but I'm pleased that someone of your calibre should raise it independently. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Swain" <hswain@ix.netcom.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem Family > Hi Pete, > > From: "j. gonigam" <gonigam@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem Family > > > > Dear Ethel-- > > > > Jan Dircks and Sara Theunis had eight children who show in the New Amsterdam > > DRC records. However, if you'll check the witnesses at later Van Arnam and > > Eckerson baptisms you'll see that they probably had a daughter, > > Helena, for whom there are no baptismal records. (Or marriage, although > > she apparently married someone named Thomas Huick/Huyg whom I've > > been unable to identify.) > snip > > On the other hand, perhaps Helena IS daughter Magdalena, that is to say that > > perhaps her name was actually Magdalena Helena (Van Arnhem). Based (again) > > on scanty evidence, I think there's a good chance that, despite the origins > > listed at their marriage, either Jan Dircks or Sara Theunis or even both > > were not Dutch and might have given one or more children multiple names > > as in French and German custom. In any case, I can find no subsequent > > record of their daughter Magdalena and her name is not a "Van Arnam name" > > in later generations. > > What probably happened was that the parents told the minister the name > of the child was Leentje. And the minister, instead of writing this down, > guessed (wrongly) as to her full name and put down Magdalena when it > should have been Helena. > > Eg. Magdalena Hans, the wife of Hendrick Janszen Spier, is mostly shown as > some form of Magdalena or Magdalentje. But at the bp. of one of her > children she is shown as Helena. > > Also, see "New Netherland Naming Systems and Customs" by > Kenn Stryker-Rodda in NYGBR 126:35-45 at p. 37. > "... the real trouble coming when people tried to work backward to the > original name. Many a girl baptized as Magdalena but called Lena was > married as Elenora and appeared in baptismal records of her children as Helena." > > Sometimes it is hard to tell which is the correct full name. > It sounds like in your case, it is Helena. > > Regards, > Howard > hswain@ix.netcom.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message