The place where the marker is, is just a field. I am going there next Sat. the 17th for a meeting. I will take my camera and stop and take a picture. I have never read it completely, just see Squire Boone Station and know my ancestors were there. So, I will just put it on our Dutch Colonies site. There ios no address, it is halfway between Shelbyville and New Castle, probably just a little closer to New Castle. (That is a very small town). Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <PhyllisM19@aol.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Low Dutch - KY > Hi Donna, > I, for one, would love to see the picture of the historical marker for the > Boone settlement. > My Dutch SLOT/SLOAT family went there and then changed their name to LOCK, > which made the search harder to say the least. > Also what is the address of the site you referred to? > Phyllis > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Thank you. I did have info that stated Isaac Snedeker's wife was Catelyna Janse I need to verify that my Garret is the son of Roelef & Elsie. I know there guite a bit of info out there. Just not the family group I was working on. I have 3 separate files for different Van Brunt & connected families. The Snedecker's are one of those families. This way I can go back & forth if I think I have found some connection. I am so close I can feel them over my shoulder, but I need to document it if possible.If that isn't possible then I need to find anything to make it the most probable fit. I just can't believe we finally broke down the HUGE brick wall that was Isaac. I had thought for the longest time that he may be the son of Albert I. & Rebecca Miller Van Brunt. Because of the fact that Rebecca's b& d dates were absolutely impossible in Bergan's history; and his family always lived in the same proximity as Cornelia Bennett Barkaloo Van Brunt, Albert's 2nd wife. And their daughter Rebecca & son in law John Smith were living in the place Lucretia had lived prior. But now it seems that my Isaac & Albert were probably first cousins. If our Garret IS Roelef & Elsie's son, then we have a great amount of history to add to the family heritage. Isaac's son Cortland made a great life for himself and his family in NEPA. The family is still here in great numbers. Sorry...I am so long winded here. BUT I am so excited to have finally found Isaac's parents and my children's 5th great grandparents on this side. Faye

I can only tell you what the article stated, it was not my statement, however, since they use volunteers to enter the material, apparently what is entered is not always accurate. The editor of Wikipedia agreed. So I guess it is a reader beware situation. Judy <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 3/5/2007 9:39:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, genealogy@cfrobbins.com writes: Its been a while since I have posted to this list concerning my Van Brunt family. To reintroduce myself. My gggrandfather was Cortland Van Brunt born 24 September 1827 in New York. I was told NYC but a cousin has Cold Springs, NY. Cortland was the son of Isaac & Lucretia Whitehead Van Brunt. Therein laid the quandry. No one could find anything on Isaac or Lucretia. So here is my update: Just within the last 6 months we have found the following information. Isaac & Lucretia were married 24 February 1827 at the home of Isaac Wilkerson, Rahway Neck, Woodbridge Twp., by Rev. Alfred Chester, of the Rahway Presbyterian Church. Witness was Mr. Van Wincle Sr. We found that Isaac died 5 January 1850 in NYC age 46 address 218 Rivington Street Cause of Death: ?? of the lungs. Cemetery: Methodist Society. We found Lucretia died 9 September 1870 @ 87 Cannon Street 11th Ward NYC [her son John's address] Cause of Death: Abdominal tumor & Ascitis Cemetery: Cypress Hills. [so far no luck in finding her plot] Within the last 2 weeks we found that Isaac & Lucretia's children, Courtlandt, Rachel, & Catherine, were baptized at St. Peter's Church in Perth Amboy, New Jersey on 25 Aug 1833. We discovered Isaac had a brother Benjamin and that he and Isaac were baptized at St. Peter's Church in Perth Amboy, Ny 12 June 1814 We discovered that Benjamin married a Silvania Whitehead 29 April 1833 in St. Peter's Church in Perth Amboy, NJ. [We are presuming that Silvania & Lucretia are sisters until we find out differently] Also we found that Isaac & Benjamin were the sons of Garit[Garrett] & Rachel _____ Van Brunt. Isaac b. 30 Jan 1804 & Benjamin b. 28 December 1806. In Bergen's Van Brunt Genealogy it states Garrett Van Brunt, bap. 25 April 1754, son of Roelef & Elsie Snedeker settled in New Jersey and no further trace. So that is where we are at today. Now we need to find if Garret is the same Garret. And what Rachel's name was. And we trying to narrow down the Whitehead family also. Faye Kizer Robbins Taylor , PA If you are interested in the Snedekers, they have Elsie Snedeker as the daughter of Isaac Snedeker in the Snedeker book #308 and his wife Catryntje Dorland who lived in New Lots, Flatbush on Long Island. <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

HI, I did answer his question and the only mention of Painted Rock. I also said I live close (20-25 miles) and pass the marker each time I go to my hometown. I would be glad to take a picture if anyone wants a copy. Dodnna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela J. Sears" <pjsears@stratos.net> To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] "The Banta Family" > My apologies if this is a duplicate, but my reply to Jon has not > appeared in the archives. Jon wrote: > > > Hello Pam, > > Does, "Banta Pioneers and Records of the Wives and > > Allied Families" by Elsa M. Banta, mention Painted > > Rock, The Low Dutch Company Settlement on the Kentucky > > Frontier? This was land bought from Squire Boone. I > > am looking for information on the Van Arsdalen, or > > various spellings, family. My grandmother, on my > > father's side, was Loys La Dema Van Ausdeln. > > Do you know where I could buy a copy of, "Banta > > Pioneers and Records of the Wives and Allied Families" > > by Elsa M. Banta? > > Have a GOOD day, > > Jon Wenzel > > > I am not familiar with the book, but it sounds like Elsa Banta does deal > with the Low Dutch Colony in Kentucky. It deals specifically with > Hendrick Banta (1718-1805) and his removal from Somerset Co., NJ, to > Conewago, York, PA, and subsequent settlement in Kentucky in the 1780's. > > See: > > http://www.combs-families.org/combs/families/c-wil.htm > > According to David M. Riker's New Netherland Vital Records Directory, > the book has been reprinted by Higginson Books of Salem, MA in 1997, and > is available as a "print on demand" publication. See: > > http://www.higginsonbooks.com/bailey-boutonSC.html > > > Best regards, > Pam Sears > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

There is a bit of exaggeration here. Most encyclopedias, whether on-line or off-line, do not accept contributions from just anybody. Wikipedia does allow anyone to post their ideas, and so the publisher agrees that it is not a reliable source to cite in school term papers. It does provide leads which might, or might not, pan out, and so can be useful. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jacassidy22@aol.com> To: <DORLAND-L@rootsweb.com>; <DARLAND-L@rootsweb.com>; <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com>; <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Wikipedia Free Encyclopedia > There was an article, not relating to genealogy, but simply a general > article on restricting the use of quotes or citations from Wikipedia Free > Encyclopedia because the people who submit or gather the information for > inclusion in > Wikipedia are volunteers and often the information is flawed. The > publisher > agreed and stated that nothing should be cited from any Encyclopedia, on > or > off line. Many High Schools and Colleges will no longer accept information > from > this source for student papers. Since many familiy researchers may use > genealogical materials from this source, perhaps some rethinking should be > use > regarding accepting citations from it. > > Judy > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Donna, I, for one, would love to see the picture of the historical marker for the Boone settlement. My Dutch SLOT/SLOAT family went there and then changed their name to LOCK, which made the search harder to say the least. Also what is the address of the site you referred to? Phyllis <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

There was an article, not relating to genealogy, but simply a general article on restricting the use of quotes or citations from Wikipedia Free Encyclopedia because the people who submit or gather the information for inclusion in Wikipedia are volunteers and often the information is flawed. The publisher agreed and stated that nothing should be cited from any Encyclopedia, on or off line. Many High Schools and Colleges will no longer accept information from this source for student papers. Since many familiy researchers may use genealogical materials from this source, perhaps some rethinking should be use regarding accepting citations from it. Judy <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Liz, From: "E Johnson" <iris.gates@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Anna HERMAN > The earliest generations of the Colonial HACK family of Eastern Shore > Virginia and Maryland have a series of sons called George Nicholas and > they also have many wives called Ann. > > One of my biggest questions lately is whether or not there was a > George Nicholas HACK, son of the Joris HACK who was baptized in Cologne in > 1620, and his wife Ann VERLET, sister of Jannetje VERLET, > Augustine HERMAN's wife. Their son, George Nicholas, probably born > around 1646, is said to have married "Anna Leisler HERMAN." But > nobody seems to have documentation on this marriage and as you > (Howard) noticed, there's not much if anything around on the Anna > HERMAN who is supposed to be the sister of Augustine. We had a discussion on this list back in Dec 2003 to Jan 2004 on the Verleth / Varlet family. (Other priorities came up for me and I had to bow out around the end of Dec.) Later I got a chance to see the extensive article on the family by Edwin Purple in NYGBR starting in vol 9, p. 54 and continuing for several issues. He shows the same 5 children of Casper Varlet as does David Riker: Nicholas, Jannetje, Maria, Catherina, and Judith. The court records in New Amsterdam show that Paulus Schrick (who m. Maria Verlet) called Guiliam Verlett his brother in law. [RNA 3:29] Guiliam is also said to be deceased then (26 Aug 1659) Also, on 28 June 1655, Judith Verleth refers to her sister, Sarah. [RNA 1:326] Could she be a sister in law, instead? The most likely, it seems to me, would be possibly the wife of Guiliam. For what its worth, on that same page (326) O'Callaghan has footnote listing the siblings of Judith Verleth: Nicholas, Janneke, "Anna, wife of George Hawke of Virginia", Maria, Catharine, and Sarah. I believe we discussed 3 years ago that there was a Anna Verlett, wife of George Hack. See, eg., CDM p. 129. Mr. Purple also mentions them and thinks she was probably a sister of Casper. You should also read NYGBR vol 71, pp 117-119, which has an interesting deposition of Judith Varlet re. their arrival. And is followed by research in Europe by William Hoffman. He found siblings of Casper as: Pieter, Daniel, and Catharina. So, far no one seems to have definitively proven whether the wife of George Hack is Casper's daughter or sister or niece or whatever. Mr. Hoffman also found Casper's marriage at Utrecht on 17 Oct 1615 to Judith Tintenier. If George Hack (who marr. Anna Verlet) was born in 1620 then we might assume Anna was born about then or a little later. Hoffman shows that Casper's parents married in 1590 at Cologne. From these dates it seems more likely that Anna was the dau. of Casper rather than his sister. However, she could also be a niece, it seems to me. I note also that Mr. Hoffman shows that Catharina Varleth (sister of Casper) married Jacques Hack. So, there is another possible connection between the families. > Joris HACK and Anna Verlet also had son Peter who had many > descendents. But for now the focus is on son george Nicholas and his > wife or wives. > > The possibility have been raised that two generations of men called > "George Nicolas > HACK could have been made of one --George N #1 married "Anna Leisler > HERMAN"; George N #2 married Ann Wright. > > Info on these two generations of Joris HACK descendents seems to have > come from a monument on a grave: > > The only place anyone seems to cite as a source for this supposed > marriage to "Anna Leisler HERMAN" is in a book which describes a > memorial obelisk in Fairview Cemetery in Accomack County VA, near the > HACK home. This obelisk was erected by descendents, possibly in place > of or above a > group of family tombstones. Ralph T. Whitelaw in Vol. II of Virginia's > Eastern Shore, pps. 658-659 makes comments and gives the text of > inscriptions on the faces of this monument. He has no sources but is > simply reporting what is engraved in the stone. He says "Some years > ago, all of the tombstones in the family graveyard were buried, a > granite coping set around the plot, and a shaft raised in > the center. Upon the shaft is inscribed: > > WEST FACE > > (Hack Coat of Arms) > > In Memory of > Dr. Joris Hack, baptized > in Cologne, Germany, March > 20, 1620, died in Virginia, 1665; > Married Anna Varlett > daughter of Casper and > Judith Varlett > Their son, Dr. George > Nicholas Hack, born in > Cologne, Germany, died in > Accomac County, Virginia; > Married Anne Leisler > Herman, born in Amsterdam, > Holland, sister of > Augustine Herman of > Bohemian Manor, > Cecil County, Maryland, > Lieutenant Colonel George > Nicholas Hack, died 1705. > and Ann, his wife, daughter of > Richard Wright and Ann. > his wife, daughter of Colonel John. > Mottrom of Northern > Neck, Virginia." > > The other sides of the shaft have inscriptions about descendents of Joris HACK. <snip> > There is an image online of this monument. It's impossible to tell > from the image if the motto and the words, "Joris Hack 1646" are on > the crest, and simply not reported in the second descriptiion of this > monument. > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/g/o/d/Bryan-S-Godfrey/PHOTO/0267photo.html The text at the bottom says it was erected in 1929. That is about 300 years after the fact. Who knows what they based the info on. The name "Anne Leisler Herman" doesn't make sense to me. I've never seen someone with a surname as a middle name in that time period. And since she is said there to be the sister of Augustine Herman, then Leisler couldn't even be a maiden name. Ie. she couldn't be Anna Leisler who married _____ Herman. Unless -- maybe she married a brother (assuming one existed) of Augustine, and so is Augustine's sister-in-law. Of course, if that were the case in the 17th C. she would be normally be called Anna Leisler or maybe Anna Herman. > In the absence of evidence of "Anne Leisler Herman's" existence, I > wonder if a source of confusion may have been the 1663 and 1666 > petitions for naturalization of Augustine Herman and his wife and > children, with Anna and Joris/George Hack and their children. In those > documents, transcripts of which are in Maryland State Archives, > Augustine HERMAN and Joris (George) HACK are described as > brothers-in-law. In MSA Volume 1, Page 462 "Proceedings and Acts of > the General Assembly January 1637/8-September 1664" is a record of a > petition of > Augustine Herman for an "Act of Naturalizacon for himselfe, Children > and his brother in Lawe George Hack." > "On Thursday Sept 17th, 1663, it was ordered that "an Acte of > Naturalizacon be prepared for Augustine Herman, and his Children and > his brother in Lawe George Hack and his wife and Children."" This seems the best evidence to date that Anna Verlet was a dau. of Casper and a sister to Jannetie who married Augustine. Could there be another way Augustine and George could be brothers in law? Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com Standard Source Abbreviations: http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=96

>There was an article, not relating to genealogy, but simply a general >article on restricting the use of quotes or citations from Wikipedia Free >Encyclopedia because the people who submit or gather the information for >inclusion in >Wikipedia are volunteers and often the information is flawed. The >publisher >agreed and stated that nothing should be cited from any Encyclopedia, on >or >off line. Many High Schools and Colleges will no longer accept information >from >this source for student papers. Since many familiy researchers may use >genealogical materials from this source, perhaps some rethinking should be >use >regarding accepting citations from it. > >Judy As a regular contributor to Wikipedia, let me first say that no one should use any encyclopedia as their only source. However, Wikipedia is not and has never been a genealogy site; people try to throw up non-famous ancestors on Wikipedia all the time, and they almost always get deleted. However, expecially recently, there is a very concerted effort to get reliable sources for any important contentions in any Wikipedia article. If you see a claim that is unsourced, it should be removed, or at least questioned on the Discussion page which is associated with each article. Despite its many faults, Wikipedia is generally a good place to go for a starting point. Look at the references, sources, and external links associated with the article you are reading for further information. Rick Kitchen _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more….then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01

Dear List, One of the original patentees of the Saratoga Patent in Albany County, NY was Cornelius Van Dyck. Later Saratoga Patent documents state that Cornelius Van Dyck, the heir-at-law and grandson of Cornelius Van Dyck, inherited the interests of the original patentee. Unlike the other six original patentees, who have descendants living in the Saratoga Patent during the Rev War, there are no men with the surname of Van Dyck on the 1779 Saratoga District Tax List. Can anyone enlighten me concerning Cornelius Van Dyck, the grandson of the original Saratoga Patentee, and his descendants? Thank you for your help. Leslie

Its been a while since I have posted to this list concerning my Van Brunt family. To reintroduce myself. My gggrandfather was Cortland Van Brunt born 24 September 1827 in New York. I was told NYC but a cousin has Cold Springs, NY. Cortland was the son of Isaac & Lucretia Whitehead Van Brunt. Therein laid the quandry. No one could find anything on Isaac or Lucretia. So here is my update: Just within the last 6 months we have found the following information. Isaac & Lucretia were married 24 February 1827 at the home of Isaac Wilkerson, Rahway Neck, Woodbridge Twp., by Rev. Alfred Chester, of the Rahway Presbyterian Church. Witness was Mr. Van Wincle Sr. We found that Isaac died 5 January 1850 in NYC age 46 address 218 Rivington Street Cause of Death: ?? of the lungs. Cemetery: Methodist Society. We found Lucretia died 9 September 1870 @ 87 Cannon Street 11th Ward NYC [her son John's address] Cause of Death: Abdominal tumor & Ascitis Cemetery: Cypress Hills. [so far no luck in finding her plot] Within the last 2 weeks we found that Isaac & Lucretia's children, Courtlandt, Rachel, & Catherine, were baptized at St. Peter's Church in Perth Amboy, New Jersey on 25 Aug 1833. We discovered Isaac had a brother Benjamin and that he and Isaac were baptized at St. Peter's Church in Perth Amboy, Ny 12 June 1814 We discovered that Benjamin married a Silvania Whitehead 29 April 1833 in St. Peter's Church in Perth Amboy, NJ. [We are presuming that Silvania & Lucretia are sisters until we find out differently] Also we found that Isaac & Benjamin were the sons of Garit[Garrett] & Rachel _____ Van Brunt. Isaac b. 30 Jan 1804 & Benjamin b. 28 December 1806. In Bergen's Van Brunt Genealogy it states Garrett Van Brunt, bap. 25 April 1754, son of Roelef & Elsie Snedeker settled in New Jersey and no further trace. So that is where we are at today. Now we need to find if Garret is the same Garret. And what Rachel's name was. And we trying to narrow down the Whitehead family also. Faye Kizer Robbins Taylor , PA

Leslie, As I recall, in genealogical circles this phenomenon is known as "pedigree collapse." I still recall discovering that one of my wife's ancestors was her sixth (? I think) great-grandfather seven times over. Regards, Ted Snediker -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Leslie Hope" <leslie@lahope.com> > > theoretical ancestors you would have in that generation, it exceeds the > number of people living in that year on earth!> > > The reason, of course, is that we have multiple lines from the same > ancestors. For me, this applies even as recently as the 17th century. > Besides my Dutch colonial roots, I'm also descended from the first settlers > of the Massachusetts and Plymouth Bay colonies. When I look at my forebears > who settled Nantucket, approximately 10 families in the beginning, some of > them already related, I have multiple lines of descent from all of them. > > Leslie Hope > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks for putting me straight. I usually distrust the LDS submitted entries in the UK but, in this case, there's no real alternative Paul > >Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 20:44:43 +0000 >From: "Paul Underwood" <paul_u@hotmail.com> > >Samuel WHITTELSEY married Sara VAN DEURSEN on 10 Dec 1788 at the DRC New >York. > >I have Samuel's parents as Chauncey WHITTELSEY (1717-1787) and Martha >NEWTON >(1730-1812), ans Sara's parents as Willem VAN DEURSEN (1716-1789) and >Catharine GILBERT. > >No problem so far, except I have the birth of Samuel on 13 Jul 1749 and, >mor >importantly, death of Samuel WHITTELSEY on 9 Aug 1751 in New Haven, >Connecticut. These dates come from a One World Tree, but I've lost the >reference to it. > >Am I completely wrong? > > >Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 19:32:32 -0500 >From: "Pamela J. Sears" <pjsears@stratos.net> > >Not completely wrong but the dates for Samuel Whittlesey do need some >tweaking :-). According to an IGI "patron submission" on the LDS site, >Samuel Whittlesey (son of Chauncey Whiitlesey & Martha Newton) was born >10 Sep 1763 in New Haven, CT, and died 7 Mar 1838 (no location given). >According to an Ancestral File on the LDS site (Connecticut), he was >baptized 13 Sep 1763 at the First Congregational Church in New Haven, >and his parents married 13 Aug 1753 in New Haven. It appears that some >family members were buried in the Grove Street Cemetery in New Haven. > >So, I would look for the records of the First Congregational Church in >New Haven to verify this information. The marriage date for Samuel >Whittlesey and Sara Van Deursen is indeed recorded in the New York >Reformed Dutch Church on 10 Dec 1788 [p. 263 of the published records]. >I see no baptismal records listed for this couple in the New York RDC. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com

Dear Sandra-- Sorry, my error. (I only know about these people to separate them from my own Van Arnams.) Linda Schwenn pointed out that I've confused Luykas and his brother Isaac. Luykas descendants are the ones who ended up around LaColle, Quebec. Isaac's followed Ira Allen further north into Vermont around Shelburne. As a matter of fact, my confusion probably stems from the abduction of Luykas' wife to Canada during the Revolution. I don't think I've ever found an actual account of that. Perhaps Linda has. Nor have I been able to figure out the parents of Sara Paine; if you ever do I need to know since there is a Paine family that shows up (extremely) tangential to the Van Arnhems back in New Amsterdam/New York City. While I'm at it, no one knows when Jannetje Salsbury died although it is clear that Isaac(1704) Van Arnam had a wife named Elizabeth by 1754 when he begins to appear in the Albany DRC records again. There is no record of the birth of sons Isaac and Abraham in 1744 (if their tombstones, one of which no longer exists, are to be believed) so it's unclear if they are Luykas' brothers or half-brothers. Isaac(1704) and his family just give me fits. I've received no offline msg. You can reach me at gonigam@gmail.com . --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra VanOrman" <sandra_vanorman@msn.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > Hi Peter > > This answers some questions about Luykas VanArnhem However, I read somewhere that his wife Sarah Paine was a Prisoner Of War.. do you know anything about that? I also have it noted that he died in Bennington Co Vermont and is buried there. But I guess that information is wrong. > The only information I have on Sarah is she was born 1742, in Hoosick, Rensselaerwick, New York, and died in 1780.(Place unknown) > > Thanks for the information on Luykas VanArnhem, it is very much appreciated. > > Did you receive my email? > > Sandra VanOrman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: j. gonigam<mailto:gonigam@gmail.com> > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > > > Dear Sandra-- > > What do you want to kow about Luykas Van Arnhem? He was the son of Isaac > (1704) Van Arnhem and Jannetje Salisbury/Van Salsbergen/various, baptised at > the Athens Lutheran Church 1738. He and brothers Isaac and Abraham were > kidnapped by Indians during a raid near Pownal, VT, in 1758, all > repatriated, apparently after the fall of Montreal. He married Sarah Paine > (although no one has found a record of it) and had a pile of children. He > was in Pownal for a while and then had his own farm somewhere between Hoosic > and Schagticoke as near as I can tell. Besides the "Green Mountain Boys" > service he was also shows in at least one Albany militia unit, as I recall. > (Luykas was the only Van Arnhem of that name at that time.) > After the war Luke and brothers Isaac and John (or John's son John) (and > sister Rachel who married Derrick Webb) all seem to have drifted north > to locations mostly in Essex County, NY, and in Isaac's case, just over > the border into Quebec. In Webb's case, at least, he migrated to secure > free land to Revolutionary veterans. > > --pete > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra VanOrman" <sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com>> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 5:46 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > > > > Hi Ethel, > > > > Thanks for the email. I found the information on Hester Fonda's birth and > death dates at Ancestry.com. > > Its not always a reliable source, but I saved the information as tentative > dates, until I could find more documentation. > > > > I've been trying to find more information on Luykas (or Luke) VanArnhem. > According to Donald A. Smith, Ph.D. he was one of five members of the > VanArnhem family who were members of the Green Mountain Boys from Pownal, > Vermont. I am descended from Lukyas VanArnhem through his son, Peter > VanOrnum. (Notice the change in spelling). > > Peter's son, Daniel VanOrnum was my third great grand father. > > > > Regards, > > Sandy VanOrman > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK @aol.com>> > > To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch- Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com>> > > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 3:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > > > > > > Sorry, resending my last message. > > > > Hi Sandra, > > > > You wrote <I have a Hester Douwse Fonda listed as a wife for Jan > Janse > > VanArnhem. She > > was born 1677 in Albany, New York and died 1 April 1708 in NY. Was she > the > > second wife of Jan? I have their marriage date as 14 Oct. 1696 in > Albany. > > Jans > > was also married to Sarah Theunis 28 June 1664.> > > > > > > > > Jan Jansz Van Aernhem, Bp: 4 June 1671, son of Jan Dirksz VanArnhem > and > > Sara > > Theunis, married Hester Fonda 14 Oct. 1696 in Albany. Albany DRCh. > [HSYB > > 1904:28] > > > > Please give a reference for the born and death dates for Hester Fonda. > > > > Ethel > > > > =============================================== > > In a message dated 3/2/2007 > sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorma n@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com>> writes: > > > > Hello! > > Thanks to all for the replies to my query about Jan Dirksz VanArnhem. > It is > > very much appreciated. > > > > I have a Hester Douwse Fonda listed as a wife for Jan Janse VanArnhem. > She > > was born 1677 in Albany, New York and died 1 April 1708 in NY. Was she > the > > second wife of Jan? I have their marriage date as 14 Oct. 1696 in > Albany. > > Jans > > was also married to Sarah Theunis 28 June 1664. > > > > Thanks Ethel, for the dates on the children of Jan Dirkzen and Sara > > Theunis. > > This is wonderful information! > > > > Regards, > > Sandra VanOrman > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers > free > > email to everyone. 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Ackerman's Terhune genealogy has never been reprinted, and for good reason. He never updated his original bound manuscript. As he compiled more information, he prepared 'insert' pages -- e.g. p.42a, 42b, 42c, 42d etc. -- and these ended up comprising another full volume themselves. They are chaotic -- sometimes hand-scribbled. The Bergen County Historical Society has the original bound ms. plus a bound insert pages volume. The Ridgewood (Bergen Co.) Library as a complete bound version. Both are non-circulating. I do not know whether the LDS version is the original ms. only or includes the later inserts. If the work had been well referenced it would be worth someone's time to create a new edition of it. Charles Terhune Duncan's genealogy of the Terhune family is better, however after the initial generations in the NY/NJ area only follows the compiler's line, through PA, OH, KY (Harrodsburg) and into IN. It is better referenced (though not nearly what we'd like) and has extensive material on individuals and the context of their lives. I believe Mr. Duncan is still making it available. If anyone would like the contact information printed in the book, please let me know off-list. Regina is correct about Bergen Historic Books' catalog of available reprints of many genealogies of early families. (I have no affiliation with either BHB or Charles Terhune Duncan) ----- Original Message ----- From: Regina Haring Date: Thursday, March 1, 2007 11:20 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Bergen Historic Books offers several of Ackerman's cemetery > record books, as > well as his genealogies "Five Bogert Families", "More Bogert > Families", and > those dealing with the Haring, Romeyn, Tallman and VanHouten > families. > Unfortunately not the Terhune book, Donna. > > Ackerman gives you ideas and a place to begin your search, even > though he's > certainly not the last word! > > Regina Haring > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Stark" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. > > > > Where in the world do you find these old books? I am also > descended from > > Albert Albertse Terhune. Albert, born in France, Albert > Albertse b. 1615 > > in > > Holland, Alberte Albertse b. 1651, Gertruey Terhune married > Hendrick > > Banta, > > Hendrick Banta Jr. who married Rachel Brower and were parents > of Geertruy > > Banta who married Francis Montfort, (down to my mother who was > a Montfort) > > > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Barbara Terhune" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:04 PM > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. > > > > > >> Dear Listers, > >> > >> Hoping that someone has a copy of this book. I need pp 10 and > >> 11...desperately. > >> > >> There seems to be some allegation that Albert Albertse > Terhune, son of > >> the immigrant moved > >> back to Long Island from Hackensack circa 1707 where a > daughter was > >> supposedly born???? > >> The above cites Ackerman pp 10-11. > >> > >> I GOTTA see it to believe - and probably not even THEN !!! > >> > >> Many thanks to some kind soul, > >> > >> Barb > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release > Date: 3/1/2007 > > 2:43 PM > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, I meant to say yesterday that I live only about 20-25 miles from this and pass it every time I go to my home county of Trimble. I live in Frankfort, the Capital of Ky., and am President of the Trimble Co. Historical Society. If anyone would like to have a picture of the historical marker that is for Squire Boone's settlement I would be glad to take the picture and put it on our site. Actually , they have allso restored the old meeting house that the first settlers had in Henry Co. The Old Mud Meeting House is in Mercer County, close by (about 20 miles) I am hoping to go to the meeting of the Dutch at Old Mud this spring. I have a book on Old Mud, it is not large, but I am not healthy and am getting rid of a lot of my books. If anyone is interested I could send it to you for my cost plus postage. I do not remember what I paid for it but possibly $12 or less. The Historical Society tries to make money to save the church. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Lefler" <lefler@northnet.org> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] "The Banta Family"and Harrodsburg-Booneville,KY > Is this near Harrodsburg,KY, where they have the Dutch Reunion each year? > I > just noticed the talk on some site. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Wenzel" <jdw22745@yahoo.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] "The Banta Family" > > >> Hello Pam, >> Does, "Banta Pioneers and Records of the Wives and >> Allied Families" by Elsa M. Banta, mention Painted >> Rock, The Low Dutch Company Settlement on the Kentucky >> Frontier? This was land bought from Squire Boone. I >> am looking for information on the Van Arsdalen, or >> various spellings, family. My grandmother, on my >> father's side, was Loys La Dema Van Ausdeln. >> Do you know where I could buy a copy of, "Banta >> Pioneers and Records of the Wives and Allied Families" >> by Elsa M. Banta? >> Have a GOOD day, >> Jon Wenzel >> >> --- "Pamela J. Sears" <pjsears@stratos.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Donna, >>> >>> You have cited Elsa Banta's book "The Banta Family" >>> in your posts to the >>> List. Others may be interested in this book as a >>> source, so I did some >>> checking and wonder if the following is the book to >>> which you refer?: >>> >>> "Banta Pioneers and Records of the Wives and Allied >>> Families" by Elsa M. >>> Banta, Soldier's Grove, Wisconsin (1983) [Reprint by >>> Higginson Books, >>> Salem, Mass. 1997] >>> >>> Regards, >>> Pam Sears >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >>> to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Be a PS3 game guru. >> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! >> Games. >> http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Unscribe.....RosieT84@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: lefler@northnet.org To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: AJoseph928@aol.com Sent: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 Thanks for this info Leslie. Judy, my fellow Carley researcher, and I are interested in this possiblity! Bob Lefler of Paul Smiths ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 > Bob, > > Saratoga County was created from Albany County on February 7, 1791. It > gained territory from Montgomery County on April 3, 1801. On March 3, > 1888, > Saratoga County gained Havre I. from Albany and Rensselaer. So prior to > February 7, 1791, conveyancing instruments for land within the most of > present day Saratoga County should have been recorded in the Albany County > Clerk's Office. > > However, please note that no one in New York State got good fee simple > absolute title to the land that they occupied until 1841 when the New York > State legislature abolished the Roman/Dutch medieval land conveyancing > conventions. Most of the tenant farmers did not bother to record their > freehold leases. Consequently, running titles in New York State can be > incredibly difficult. > > Peter Carley was listed as a taxpayer on the 1788 list for the Ballstown > Tax > District of Albany County, N.Y. The original tax records are available > in > the New York State Library at Albany, NY. > > Hope that this helps. > > Leslie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Lefler" <lefler@northnet.org> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 7:50 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 > > >> Leslie- Basically, I trying to learn about my ancesters Albert and Peter >> Carley (Mispelled in the 1790 census as Kerby). Albert may have had a >> tract >> of land taken out of a tract owned by a Scott in Ballstown(per History of >> Saratoga County). Something like a tract of large Pines 10 miles by 10 >> miles >> with pieces being sold. Bob Lefler (I have had confusion because the date >> 1790 is when Saratoga County was created separate from Albany County so, >> in >> that new hall of records north of Albany, I ended up with nothing. Very >> frustrating! I need to learn more about the situation) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 7:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 >> >> >>> Hi Bob, >>> >>> Most, but not all, of present day Saratoga County was included in the >>> Kayadrossera Patent. The Saratoga Patent was in the Saratoga Tax >>> District >>> of Albany County. The Ballstown Tax District included land that was >>> part >>> of >>> the Kayadrossera Patent as well as other land patents. The Half Moon >>> Tax >>> District was the third Albany Count Tax District located in present day >>> Saratoga County. >>> >>> If you can be more specific, I'll try and answer your conveyancing >>> question. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Leslie Potter >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bob Lefler" <lefler@northnet.org> >>> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 5:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent to Ballstown abt 1790 >>> >>> >>>> Hi all- I'm looking for more info on the divison of Saratoga lands to >>>> Ballstown about 1790??? Bob Lefler >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> >>>> To: <Dutch-Colonies-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 3:20 PM >>>> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Saratoga Patent and P. Schuyler c. 1750 >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear List, >>>>> >>>>> Circa 1750, the Saratoga Patent in Albany County, New York (now >>>>> Saratoga >>>>> and Washington Counties) was partitioned a second time. A plat of the >>>>> Second Grand Division of the Saratoga Patent shows the patentees and >>>>> their >>>>> holdings to be as follows: >>>>> >>>>> R. L. - Great Lotts No. 1, 9, 20, 28, 34, 42 & 43. [Robert Livingston, >>>>> the >>>>> Nephew] >>>>> >>>>> J.S. - Great Lotts No. 2, 3, 10, 11, 16, 17, 27, 33, 41 & 44 [Johannes >>>>> Schuyler (1668-1747), grandfather of General Philip Schuyler >>>>> (1733-1804)] >>>>> >>>>> J.J.B. - Great Lotts No. 4, 12, 18, 25, 31 (Jan Jans Bleecker) >>>>> >>>>> D. W. - Great Lotts No. 5, 13, 21, 22, 35, 39, & 46 [Dirk Wessles Ten >>>>> Broeck (1686-1750/51), the father of Abraham Ten Broeck (1734-1810) >>>>> >>>>> C. V. D. - Great Lotts No. 6, 14, 15, 24, 30, 38, & 47 [Cornelius Van >>>>> Dyck] >>>>> >>>>> J. S. & R. L. - Great Lotts No. 7, 8, [Johannes Schuyler and Robert >>>>> Livingston] >>>>> >>>>> P.S & R. L - Great Lotts No. 19, 23, 29, 37, 48 (P_______ Schuyler and >>>>> Robert Livingston) >>>>> >>>>> P.S. - Great Lotts No. 26, 32, 40, & 45 (P__________ Schuyler) >>>>> >>>>> J.B. - Great Lotts No. 36 & 49 (Probably Jan Jans Bleecker) >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know enough about the Schuylers to tell me who the P. >>>>> Schuyler >>>>> listed on the platt might have been? General Philip Schuyler >>>>> (1733-1804) >>>>> would not yet have attained is majority in 1750. So I am inclined to >>>>> suspect that he is not the P. Schuyler named on the plat. >>>>> Additionally, >>>>> when General Schuyler died in 1804, he died seized of all but two of >>>>> the >>>>> Great Lotts which his grandfather, Johannes Schuyler, possessed. >>>>> >>>>> There are several men named Peter and a couple of other men named >>>>> Philip >>>>> on the Schuyler family tree who might be the P. Schuyler on the plat. >>>>> However, I do not have enough data to make that determination. 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Hi Peter This answers some questions about Luykas VanArnhem However, I read somewhere that his wife Sarah Paine was a Prisoner Of War.. do you know anything about that? I also have it noted that he died in Bennington Co Vermont and is buried there. But I guess that information is wrong. The only information I have on Sarah is she was born 1742, in Hoosick, Rensselaerwick, New York, and died in 1780.(Place unknown) Thanks for the information on Luykas VanArnhem, it is very much appreciated. Did you receive my email? Sandra VanOrman ----- Original Message ----- From: j. gonigam<mailto:gonigam@gmail.com> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda Dear Sandra-- What do you want to kow about Luykas Van Arnhem? He was the son of Isaac (1704) Van Arnhem and Jannetje Salisbury/Van Salsbergen/various, baptised at the Athens Lutheran Church 1738. He and brothers Isaac and Abraham were kidnapped by Indians during a raid near Pownal, VT, in 1758, all repatriated, apparently after the fall of Montreal. He married Sarah Paine (although no one has found a record of it) and had a pile of children. He was in Pownal for a while and then had his own farm somewhere between Hoosic and Schagticoke as near as I can tell. Besides the "Green Mountain Boys" service he was also shows in at least one Albany militia unit, as I recall. (Luykas was the only Van Arnhem of that name at that time.) After the war Luke and brothers Isaac and John (or John's son John) (and sister Rachel who married Derrick Webb) all seem to have drifted north to locations mostly in Essex County, NY, and in Isaac's case, just over the border into Quebec. In Webb's case, at least, he migrated to secure free land to Revolutionary veterans. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra VanOrman" <sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com>> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > Hi Ethel, > > Thanks for the email. I found the information on Hester Fonda's birth and death dates at Ancestry.com. > Its not always a reliable source, but I saved the information as tentative dates, until I could find more documentation. > > I've been trying to find more information on Luykas (or Luke) VanArnhem. According to Donald A. Smith, Ph.D. he was one of five members of the VanArnhem family who were members of the Green Mountain Boys from Pownal, Vermont. I am descended from Lukyas VanArnhem through his son, Peter VanOrnum. (Notice the change in spelling). > Peter's son, Daniel VanOrnum was my third great grand father. > > Regards, > Sandy VanOrman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com>> > To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] VanArnhem/ Fonda > > > Sorry, resending my last message. > > Hi Sandra, > > You wrote <I have a Hester Douwse Fonda listed as a wife for Jan Janse > VanArnhem. She > was born 1677 in Albany, New York and died 1 April 1708 in NY. Was she the > second wife of Jan? I have their marriage date as 14 Oct. 1696 in Albany. > Jans > was also married to Sarah Theunis 28 June 1664.> > > > > Jan Jansz Van Aernhem, Bp: 4 June 1671, son of Jan Dirksz VanArnhem and > Sara > Theunis, married Hester Fonda 14 Oct. 1696 in Albany. Albany DRCh. [HSYB > 1904:28] > > Please give a reference for the born and death dates for Hester Fonda. > > Ethel > > =============================================== > In a message dated 3/2/2007 sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com<mailto:sandra_vanorman@msn.com>> writes: > > Hello! > Thanks to all for the replies to my query about Jan Dirksz VanArnhem. It is > very much appreciated. > > I have a Hester Douwse Fonda listed as a wife for Jan Janse VanArnhem. She > was born 1677 in Albany, New York and died 1 April 1708 in NY. Was she the > second wife of Jan? I have their marriage date as 14 Oct. 1696 in Albany. > Jans > was also married to Sarah Theunis 28 June 1664. > > Thanks Ethel, for the dates on the children of Jan Dirkzen and Sara > Theunis. > This is wonderful information! > > Regards, > Sandra VanOrman > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. 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George W is my cousin through Walter Woodworth of Situate Mass. He is my ninth cousin. Also couisn to Bess Truman, President James Madison, maybe Taylor also, but I haven;'t worked on that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schopfer" <cjschopfer@gmail.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] George H. W. Bush >I imagine he has over 10,000 cousins named just by the name of Bush (or at > least Pierce, since the chart doesn't trace to the immigrant Bush). The > total number of his American cousins would be more like a million, since > he > would have thousands for each of many colonial ancestors by other > surnames. > > > The number of cousins is highly sensitive to fertility rates, which > roughly > halved over the last century. I suspect the average number of living > cousins > per colonial immigrant couple is currently stagnant, perhaps even > declining > among descendants of Dutch and English colonial immigrants. > > Chris > > On 3/2/07, Jean Bout <jeanboute@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> In George W. H. Bush's 1988 campaign for presidency speech in New York >> City, he said that since his ancestors arrived in America in 1600s, he >> had >> over 10,000 cousins. He is right. (When I entered college, I saw some >> students's surnames that belong to my Dutch ancestors. I got in contact >> with >> them. Violà, they, indeed, are my distant cousins! ) What >> is the original spelling of George W. H. Bush's surname? Is it Dutch? >> >> Jean Boutcher >> JeanBout@Juno.com >> JeanBoute@Yahoo.Com >> >> >> >> Doris Waggoner writes: Just goes to show everybody's related to >> everybody. Does that make our >> work fruitless? I didn't mean that. >> Doris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >